MLG Spring Arena Dates Announced

On March 03 2012 02:49 WigglingSquid wrote:
I am dubious about the frequency. One per month seems a bit excessive to me, both for viewers and players; it also kind of loses the whole "special event" feeling.
With that said, best of luck.

On March 03 2012 03:28 Fubi wrote:
Don't know about you guys, but as much as I want to support e-sport, I personally can't shell out 20 bucks per month just for MLG (considering GSL and stuff too) =(

On March 03 2012 03:33 Xarles wrote:

Same.
At least IPL is free SD & 5$ HD the ENTIRE MONTH.

On March 03 2012 03:28 Fubi wrote:
Don't know about you guys, but as much as I want to support e-sport, I personally can't shell out 20 bucks per month just for MLG (considering GSL and stuff too) =(

On March 03 2012 03:37 Spaceneil8 wrote:

The difference is that IPL isn't going to have live events every month. IPL4 is in April and IPL5 is in August. Their online content is sick, but you are basically only paying for that.

I'm hoping these arenas aren't $20 though. I was okay with MLG starting at $20, but it's better for everyone if it's 10 or free for gold members.

On March 03 2012 04:24 Bumblebee wrote:
Unfortunate that DreamHack and the first Spring Arena will be on the same dates.

On March 03 2012 04:28 Tommylew wrote:
haha didnt pay for the past one, deffiantly wont be paying for these two... not unless they really reduce the price..... anyway they do know about abusing? just because the first was a success you would of throught they would of spread them out a bit better..... Seems quite greedy.,..

On March 03 2012 04:24 Bumblebee wrote:
Unfortunate that DreamHack and the first Spring Arena will be on the same dates.

On March 03 2012 04:36 Mohdoo wrote:
Why are MLG events always the same day as other big events? T_T

On March 03 2012 04:36 Mohdoo wrote:
Why are MLG events always the same day as other big events? T_T

On March 03 2012 04:41 Antoine wrote:
have to say i think running ppv-only events on the same weekend as free events (assembly last one, dreamhack stockholm this first one) is a big mistake. maybe i'll check out the 2nd one though.

On March 03 2012 04:44 MLG_Adam wrote:
Just finding out about this DH situation. Is this a live event of considerable scope?

On March 03 2012 04:47 busbarn wrote:
DH and MLG announcing same dates at the same day T_T why no communication

On March 03 2012 04:24 Bumblebee wrote:
Unfortunate that DreamHack and the first Spring Arena will be on the same dates.

On March 03 2012 04:48 LittleAtari wrote:

YES! It's like the MLG of Europe. They probably already have Day9 booked for it. He always does DreamHack and they give him his own tent when he's there.

On March 03 2012 04:44 MLG_Adam wrote:
Just finding out about this DH situation. Is this a live event of considerable scope?

On March 03 2012 04:48 MLG_Adam wrote:



I know what DH is, they are a great event. I'm talking about this open qualifier.

On March 03 2012 04:48 MLG_Adam wrote:



Was this event announced today?

On March 03 2012 04:48 MLG_Adam wrote:



I know what DH is, they are a great event. I'm talking about this open qualifier.

On March 03 2012 04:51 LittleAtari wrote:
The DH website says that their event is June 16-19. Is Bumblebee talking about a smaller event that hasnt been announced yet?

On March 03 2012 04:52 CuteZergling wrote:


Yes, April 21-22 DreamHack Open: Stockholm

On March 03 2012 04:53 Canucklehead wrote:


Wait is this one of their smaller events like valencia where there's only 8 players competing? If so, then I don't see this as a huge conflict now.

On March 03 2012 04:53 MLG_Adam wrote:
These dates were announced today. We definitely did now about them when we announced. We were aware of THE Dreamhack in June.

On March 03 2012 04:56 CuteZergling wrote:


Is this a typo and you meant did not know about them?

On March 03 2012 02:49 WigglingSquid wrote:
I am dubious about the frequency. One per month seems a bit excessive to me, both for viewers and players; it also kind of loses the whole "special event" feeling.
With that said, best of luck.

On March 03 2012 02:49 WigglingSquid wrote:
I am dubious about the frequency. One per month seems a bit excessive to me, both for viewers and players; it also kind of loses the whole "special event" feeling.
With that said, best of luck.

On March 03 2012 05:01 CuteZergling wrote:
Dreamhack didn't make these dates public until today. MLG didn't know they were going to overlap. It could be DH's fault for not communicating these dates, MLG's fault for not inquiring deeply, or both parties for not communicating properly.

Since the Europe times probably won't overlap with the NA times, the only possible issue is player pool. Time will tell.

On March 03 2012 04:24 Bumblebee wrote:
Unfortunate that DreamHack and the first Spring Arena will be on the same dates.

On March 03 2012 05:01 MLG_Adam wrote:
Hey guys.

Wait for more information (shooting for next week) on how these events all tie together, how they're different, and of course pricing/packaging.

I think you'll be very happy. We heard everyone's feedback, we're usually pretty good about instituting community changes.

On March 03 2012 05:09 Noocta wrote:


lol, they did that again ?

On March 03 2012 05:06 TigerKarl wrote:

Please remember TSL3 and why that has been the best tournament in Starcraft so far.

On March 03 2012 04:24 Bumblebee wrote:
Unfortunate that DreamHack and the first Spring Arena will be on the same dates.

On March 03 2012 05:09 Noocta wrote:


lol, they did that again ?

On March 03 2012 02:45 MLGAnnouncements wrote:
The Winter Arena was a success. Thanks to everyone who tuned in; we hope you enjoyed it.

On March 03 2012 02:49 WigglingSquid wrote:
I am dubious about the frequency. One per month seems a bit excessive to me, both for viewers and players; it also kind of loses the whole "special event" feeling.
With that said, best of luck.

On March 03 2012 05:37 TheDougler wrote:



..You're shitting me...

WTF MLG!?

Sorry Sundance, gotta opt for Dreamhack on this one.

On March 03 2012 05:27 HappyChris wrote:
Well since its such a huge success I really hope you up the price winnings. Its so small and im not just talking about top or I mean top 8 etc.

You talk so much about saving esport and make it financial viable but what about the players shoulnt it be financial viable for them also?

Not everyone can get top 3 or top 8.

Im very sceptics atm it seems you guys pulling in huge sums of money but the players that basically make all this happend are barely payed a minimum vage.

I would love to see that all players get payed some and the top 8 should be really good!

So MLG Adam time to show some love towards the players?

On March 03 2012 05:41 cmcaneff5502 wrote:


Come on now read the whole thread before posting, DH and MLG announced the tournament dates on the same day. No one did it first, no one did it purposely. MLG directly responded if you would read a few pages in

On March 03 2012 05:46 nam nam wrote:

That's not much of an excuse. It's quite baffling how two of the biggest sc2 organizers can't coordinate their schedules. It's seems like they (both of them) just threw a dart at the schedule and crossed their fingers. Sometimes it may be unavoidable, so be it, but at least put in a bit of an effort.

On March 03 2012 04:24 Bumblebee wrote:
Unfortunate that DreamHack and the first Spring Arena will be on the same dates.

On March 03 2012 05:56 zul wrote:

yeah "unfortunate" indeed. Didn`t MLG say the arena would be something special and extra. But who needs an extra event when there is already one very good on the exact same weekend. With free HD Streams. With a big enthusiastic crowd. And this is already the 2nd time MLG puts the arena on the same weekend with another top tier LAN tournament. How do they plan on delivering the best tournament possible, when a considerable amount of proplayers attend DREAMHACK. they just can`t.

On March 03 2012 05:58 JustJonny wrote:


Read the thread please.

On March 03 2012 06:12 zul wrote:

ok both got announced on short notices, thats bad luck for everyone. What`s going to happen now? DH and MLG calling the biggest stars asap to get them onboard. It`s fine for most of the Fans if the biggest stars go to DREAMHACK, because everybody can watch, if some big names will attend MLG, most of the fans won`t be able to watch, again. Maybe it`s because I strongly believe PPV is extremely unconductive for the eSports industry, but I just don`t like it.

On March 03 2012 06:12 zul wrote:

ok both got announced on short notices, thats bad luck for everyone. What`s going to happen now? DH and MLG calling the biggest stars asap to get them onboard. It`s fine for most of the Fans if the biggest stars go to DREAMHACK, because everybody can watch, if some big names will attend MLG, most of the fans won`t be able to watch, again. Maybe it`s because I strongly believe PPV is extremely unconductive for the eSports industry, but I just don`t like it.

On March 03 2012 06:18 nachtkap wrote:


as far as I am concered thats the last bit of belivabilty out the window. at this point I will just choose not to trust you on that. I just cant get myself to pay for mlg when there is such a disconnect between the content of interviews and that of posts.

On March 03 2012 06:18 nachtkap wrote:


as far as I am concered thats the last bit of belivabilty out the window. at this point I will just choose not to trust you on that. I just cant get myself to pay for mlg when there is such a disconnect between the content of interviews and that of posts.

On March 03 2012 06:21 MLG_Adam wrote:


We looked on every public listing for events. Aside from NASL, no other organizer shares their dates. We found out about this event TODAY after we announced.

On March 03 2012 06:23 adiga wrote:
I really don't buy that Winter Arena was a success sorry.

On March 03 2012 06:18 nachtkap wrote:


as far as I am concered thats the last bit of belivabilty out the window. at this point I will just choose not to trust you on that. I just cant get myself to pay for mlg when there is such a disconnect between the content of interviews and that of posts.

On March 03 2012 06:26 Bumblebee wrote:

No harm done in sending an e-mail to the other tournament organisers, right?

On March 03 2012 06:26 Bumblebee wrote:

No harm done in sending an e-mail to the other tournament organisers, right?

On March 03 2012 04:24 Bumblebee wrote:
Unfortunate that DreamHack and the first Spring Arena will be on the same dates.

On March 03 2012 06:32 emc wrote:
is it always going to be in NYC? I suppose that makes sense since MLG is stationed in NYC, but if there could be someway to get it more centralized, might make it easier on the koreans jet lag. I'm all for foreigners doing better but not at the cost of a korean being jet lagged.

On March 03 2012 06:26 beefhamburger wrote:

Then why hold another one?

On March 03 2012 05:49 hacky wrote:
...I don't understand why people want FEWER events.

On March 03 2012 06:40 adiga wrote:


I guess making just another one is better than: OK guys you were right all along! It was a big failure! Sorry! we get it!

On March 03 2012 06:44 Smackzilla wrote:


There's nothing rational about it. Some people just want to bitch.

On March 03 2012 06:40 adiga wrote:


I guess making just another one is better than: OK guys you were right all along! It was a big failure! Sorry! we get it!

On March 03 2012 06:38 Chenz wrote:

Since top 8 from the Winter Arena was koreans, I'd say jet lag wasn't much of an issue.

Edit: Nvm, Violet lives in the US. Still, 7 out of the top 8.

On March 03 2012 06:44 Smackzilla wrote:


There's nothing rational about it. Some people just want to bitch.

On March 03 2012 06:46 nam nam wrote:

If fewer means higher quality it makes perfect sense. You could argue this issue.

On March 03 2012 07:01 Isaac wrote:

Its sort of like having Christmas every month. Suddenly the quality and the, for lack of a better word, epicness goes down.

edit: personally, i dont mind having mlgs every month. but having it every week could bring that feeling down for me.

On March 03 2012 06:31 Xcobidoo wrote:

You know some of these smaller events like ASUS, Dreamhack, IPL and NASL just slip under the radar, it happens. You can't keep track of every tournament out there, especially not those that are 2(plural!) times a year.

On March 03 2012 07:25 GreyKnight wrote:


dreamhack isnt a small tournament

On March 03 2012 05:46 LovE- wrote:



You realize all of the players had EVERYTHING paid for for the arenas? Travel/Hotel/3 Meals per day... AND they got money for top finishes?

What more do you want?
Give each player $5,000.00 for just coming?

On March 03 2012 07:43 HappyChris wrote:



No I dont. But I want players to be payed for there work time. Who cares if they get a free trip to NY. They are still working and spending time in NY without getting payed. Atleast at mcdonalds you get minimum vage

So you think its ok that players only get a free trip to New York and work there ass off while MLG makes $$$ of the players?

On March 03 2012 07:43 HappyChris wrote:



No I dont. But I want players to be payed for there work time. Who cares if they get a free trip to NY. They are still working and spending time in NY without getting payed. Atleast at mcdonalds you get minimum vage

So you think its ok that players only get a free trip to New York and work there ass off while MLG makes $$$ of the players?

On March 03 2012 07:50 kiy0 wrote:
Gotta love the part where he goes "first of all.. this was a success [fake reading the cards]"

They didn't announce the overall attendance via stream, going with an extremely vague and meaningless "this was a success".
I guess this pretty much says that PPV didn't work as well as they thought it would. Hopefully they will reevaluate the situation. Overall, the tournament was amazing and you can't really ask for a more stacked tournament than this one.

On March 03 2012 07:50 kiy0 wrote:
Gotta love the part where he goes "first of all.. this was a success [fake reading the cards]"

They didn't announce the overall attendance via stream, going with an extremely vague and meaningless "this was a success".
I guess this pretty much says that PPV didn't work as well as they thought it would. Hopefully they will reevaluate the situation. Overall, the tournament was amazing and you can't really ask for a more stacked tournament than this one.

On March 03 2012 07:43 HappyChris wrote:
No I dont. But I want players to be payed for there work time. Who cares if they get a free trip to NY. They are still working and spending time in NY without getting payed. Atleast at mcdonalds you get minimum vage

So you think its ok that players only get a free trip to New York and work there ass off while MLG makes $$$ of the players?

On March 03 2012 05:27 HappyChris wrote:

No I dont. But I want players to be payed for there work time. Who cares if they get a free trip to NY. They are still working and spending time in NY without getting payed. Atleast at mcdonalds you get minimum vage

So you think its ok that players only get a free trip to New York and work there ass off while MLG makes $$$ of the players?

On March 03 2012 08:14 TheSir wrote:


They get paid for their time when they are winning, that's what sports is.
I can imagine though they probably get a small entering fee and dont forget that players had the option to use the referral system to get a percentage (i guess) of the tickets.

Thats not bad when they cover you on everything else and you even can take someone with you if you really want.
And only a free trip? When for example a EU player need to cover something like that on his own money it will cost him probably around $1,5/$2k total (2 tickets, hotel, food etc), not to mention he has to enrage it all, now MLG did it all for the players.

On March 03 2012 08:56 Nonvidius wrote:




I hope you realize that MLG is far from making any money, probably very far. If you want players to make more there needs to be incentives for companies to pay them more, hopefully this PPV model works out for MLG and they are at least covering their transport + room and board unlike every other tourney. Don't know why MLG keeps getting flak for this stuff . . . I guess people are really that selfish and bitter about losing their free content.

On March 03 2012 06:46 THELEHGOTERRAN wrote:


They are not just adding one but two more.

On March 03 2012 05:01 MLG_Adam wrote:
we're usually pretty good about instituting community changes.

On March 03 2012 09:09 HappyChris wrote:


What the feck are you talking about they sayd it was succesfull so they are making money.

This got nothing todo with PPV the fact is if the scene and esport got a future the players needs a living.

And yea while a free trip to NY might sounds good for some people im sure alot of players would like to get payed for there work.

MLG told us support them to save esport ok I did and I payed 20 dollars and ill do it again next event. But things got to be fair the players needs a slice of the money cake and this pathetic little price pool where 90% of the players dont even get payed isnt good enough..

Tell me why a company should make so much more money over players that do all the entertainment that we love to see??

On March 03 2012 08:59 krisss wrote:


You dont get it.
You cant buy ur children food, when all you get is paid trips.
And the players are not fukkin salesman. If they wanted to make money by selling stuff, they could definately find a better job than gettin those few bucks from selling tickets?!

And yes, they get paid for winning,t hats professional sports. But the relation between what we clients pay, and what the actual stars get is pathetic. We pay 20 dollars each, how much of this money is gone to the main characters? 1 dollar of each pass? sorry, thats just a rip-off. This system would not survive in a "real" economic system. It only works because progamers a kind of "idealistic". 99% of them do it because they love it. If they find out how much money MLG makes by selling those passes for 20 dollars each.. i hope they demand more prize money..

On March 03 2012 09:09 HappyChris wrote:


What the feck are you talking about they sayd it was succesfull so they are making money.

This got nothing todo with PPV the fact is if the scene and esport got a future the players needs a living.

And yea while a free trip to NY might sounds good for some people im sure alot of players would like to get payed for there work.

MLG told us support them to save esport ok I did and I payed 20 dollars and ill do it again next event. But things got to be fair the players needs a slice of the money cake and this pathetic little price pool where 90% of the players dont even get payed isnt good enough..

Tell me why a company should make so much more money over players that do all the entertainment that we love to see??

On March 03 2012 10:06 Champloo wrote:


You are... what!?

gj on scheduling btw, again not the best euro players at your event.

On March 03 2012 11:27 TheSir wrote:


First, all you get is paid trips? You get a free chance to win 10k in 3 days and everything is enraged for you, thats a freaking good deal.

But i get it, no you cant buy stuff when your get your trips paid but you have to make serious cash if you want to cover those kinds of trips on your own. What if you loose your first 2 matches? You think you can make a profit then as a player or team? Players would be even worse off when for example MLG would give them for example $2k for showing up instead of covering the expenses, cause then players would need to pay taxes over that. So no bad idea and it wont help them. Or do expect that MLG covers the expenses and give the players a nice entry fee?

Your talking about a economic system... what has a economic system to do with this? Absolutely nothing but ok, if the tournament wasn't profitable for the players they wont come. For example Grubby already said that he probably wouldn't come if MLG didn't cover the expenses. In sports in general athlete's dont get their expenses paid, that on it's own is freaking luxury that 90% of the athlete's and teams in any sport would kill for.

BTW how do you know how big the percentage is that players received from the referral system? Even if it is 1 dollar thats not bad, thats 5% guaranteed without playing. And do you know how big the profit was in total? I bet you the profit wasn't even that big. On what source do you even build your opinion on that players should demand more prize money?

On March 03 2012 09:09 HappyChris wrote:


What the feck are you talking about they sayd it was succesfull so they are making money.

On March 03 2012 16:25 Seraphone wrote:


It was actually Dreamhack's fault, not MLG's.

On March 03 2012 19:49 aebriol wrote:

"Success" is such an undefined term.

They call it a success because they are not idiots. If they made a lot of money, or lost money, doesn't matter - they would still call it a success, because they are the only ones that knows the facts, and they aren't morons. It would be moronic to call it a failure, and then try to arrange another one.

I have no idea whether or not they made money off it, but them calling it a success, doesn't matter at all as 'proof' for this either way.

On March 03 2012 10:06 Champloo wrote:


You are... what!?

gj on scheduling btw, again not the best euro players at your event.

On March 03 2012 17:09 krisss wrote:
Yes, they knew it before they became progamers, but when now things change, and that much money is put into the system by the consumers, i want the players to get their fair share of the money. Because its only for them i pay.

On March 03 2012 17:09 krisss wrote:
And please stop witht hat referral system. Still, the players are not salesmen! They get paid for giving good games, not selling stuff!

On March 03 2012 04:24 Bumblebee wrote:
Unfortunate that DreamHack and the first Spring Arena will be on the same dates.

On March 03 2012 21:28 amiGo_O wrote:

i agree that scheduling is really terrible(?) for DH and MLG, but both events will suffer ... and I dont really get what do you mean by "again", the best players were at MLG, players who didnt manage to qualify and who wanted to avoid best Koreans played at Assembly

On March 03 2012 03:28 Fubi wrote:
Don't know about you guys, but as much as I want to support e-sport, I personally can't shell out 20 bucks per month just for MLG (considering GSL and stuff too) =(

On March 03 2012 22:24 TheSir wrote:


Dont get me wrong i agree players should get a fair share but no one here knows how big the profit for MLG was and no one knows what they are going to do with it so unless you have data on that your argument is pretty weak.



In matter of facts, athlete's are some sort of salesmen, they are selling themselves. Look between the difference how Grubby sells himself against other players (just look at the difference in interviews), look how much he makes with his stream (11k followers, 3/4k viewers when he streams). Oh and good luck getting 600 dollars in a month by donations (which he pulls of) when working in McDonalds, so yes they are salesmen, like it or not.

On March 03 2012 04:24 Bumblebee wrote:
Unfortunate that DreamHack and the first Spring Arena will be on the same dates.

On March 04 2012 00:32 HappyChris wrote:


It doesnt matter how big the profit is for MLG. The fact of the matter is MLG is doing 3 more and sayd the last one was succesfull and at the same time 99% of the players that attended MLG winter arena didnt make 1 cent..

How is that even fair?? Work without getting payed and at the same time there employees are making money? This sound allmost like slavery or something we did to our workers in the 1920 where we didnt had unions.

I really hope MLG will be succesfull how cool woulnt it to have an PPV event every month aslong the players get payed or maybe do like boxing a % of the PPV sales?

Atm it simply not fair that 99% of the players made nothing

On March 04 2012 00:32 HappyChris wrote:


It doesnt matter how big the profit is for MLG. The fact of the matter is MLG is doing 3 more and sayd the last one was succesfull and at the same time 99% of the players that attended MLG winter arena didnt make 1 cent..

How is that even fair?? Work without getting payed and at the same time there employees are making money? This sound allmost like slavery or something we did to our workers in the 1920 where we didnt had unions.

I really hope MLG will be succesfull how cool woulnt it to have an PPV event every month aslong the players get payed or maybe do like boxing a % of the PPV sales?

Atm it simply not fair that 99% of the players made nothing

On March 04 2012 01:31 Dranak wrote:



Might want to actually look at what happened. 25% of the players from the Winter Arena made at least $900. 16 (50%) of them get free travel/seeding to the Winter Championship where simply making it to the group stage will no doubt give them a nearly guaranteed chance of winning at least $1000.

As for the rest, I believe MLG reported that they operated at a net loss last year. As in they lost money and the profit you rage about them having doesn't exist.

On March 04 2012 01:42 Smackzilla wrote:


So what other SC2 tournaments are profit sharing with players? None that I know of. Sure, there's a precedence in other sports for profit sharing, but there's also sports where stable consistent financial support comes from the teams and their sponsors.

In SC2, the financial support (if much of any) comes from the teams. The bottom line is that no other SC2 tournament is helping out teams financially like MLG is doing right now. And that's good for the players too, and not just the players who place, but ALL the players on the teams that attended. Money is tight in SC2, but MLG is bring money into the sport and passing some of that onto the teams.

That all said, I think it would be great if there was PPV percentages and bonuses for players like they have in UFC. Maybe it will happen some day. However, this is the first time SC2 ever did this. The winter arena was arena #1. UFC just had #144! Rome wasn't built in a day. At least MLG has the balls to try to create something financially sustainable for SC2.

On March 03 2012 21:16 ale_jrb wrote:


But running two more suggests that they made something. If they'd lost loads of money, they just wouldn't - they'd have quietly never announced another one.

On March 04 2012 01:56 HappyChris wrote:


Im not talking about MLG and there hole operation im talking about the first ever PPV event called winter Arena. I payed 20 dollars to support that and ill happy do it again and it would be great if it would happend every month becuase then we got a league where players can be supported..

The thing is they need to be supported. Payed for there work. free travel/seeding ? Its a PR stunt to look good come on.
The players cant pay the rent for that can they?

still as you say 25% made something but what about the rest?

Becuase of PPV we now got something unique that can support the scene in itself without sponsors so the quistion are. Do we want all the money to goto MLG only and there top exec ? Or do we want all players to make something?

I would love to see the players at the winter arena to respond especially those who didnt make anything. But I do understand if they cant but maybe a player like Cloud could give us his input

On March 04 2012 01:56 HappyChris wrote:


Im not talking about MLG and there hole operation im talking about the first ever PPV event called winter Arena. I payed 20 dollars to support that and ill happy do it again and it would be great if it would happend every month becuase then we got a league where players can be supported..

The thing is they need to be supported. Payed for there work. free travel/seeding ? Its a PR stunt to look good come on.
The players cant pay the rent for that can they?

still as you say 25% made something but what about the rest?

Becuase of PPV we now got something unique that can support the scene in itself without sponsors so the quistion are. Do we want all the money to goto MLG only and there top exec ? Or do we want all players to make something?

I would love to see the players at the winter arena to respond especially those who didnt make anything. But I do understand if they cant but maybe a player like Cloud could give us his input

On March 04 2012 02:02 turdburgler wrote:


they ran the pro circuit for 10 years without making a profit and told us sc2 numbers were a huge success ;p then 3 months later it turns out we have to pay from now on. you cant take anything mlg say as fact, just react to what they do instead of their words.

On March 04 2012 19:54 JustPassingBy wrote:
I hope they will offer discounted passes for only the final day, because - assuming the schedule is similar to the Winter Arena - living in europe makes it very difficult to watch the first two days (they started around 1am where I live).

On March 03 2012 04:44 MLG_Adam wrote:
Just finding out about this DH situation. Is this a live event of considerable scope?

On March 04 2012 20:43 Bastosai wrote:
Oddly enough, people did found out that Spring Arena was on the same day as DH, just announced at the same time.
But is everybody blind in this topic?
MLG running its classic Championship, free viewer with HD pass, on separate dates vs others big tournaments.
Then propose a PPV exclusive tournament exactly on same WE as Major European championship?
Seems to me like a gentle move to kill softly competition by taking away some big names away from DH/Assembly.

I hope to be wrong, but third date of arena should prove or not my point.
My two cents.

On March 04 2012 20:57 iSunrise wrote:

Everything DH is worth considering, don´t you think? It´s the biggest LAN of the world.

On March 04 2012 02:02 turdburgler wrote:


they ran the pro circuit for 10 years without making a profit and told us sc2 numbers were a huge success ;p then 3 months later it turns out we have to pay from now on. you cant take anything mlg say as fact, just react to what they do instead of their words.

On March 04 2012 21:14 Seraphone wrote:


Kind of irrelevant. It's the third biggest Starcraft 2 tournament after GSL (1st) and MLG (2nd) and this year maybe IPL will surpass Dreamhack anyway.

The fact that there's a 'LAN' (which is basically a bunch of kids on the same connection) in Sweden has very little to do with a Starcraft 2 tournament in New York.

Especially when it's not actually a Dreamhack LAN, it's a smaller ESports invitational and frankly MLG has proven with IEM and Assembly that when the best players have a choice MLG and anything else not called GSL they will pick MLG.

As for viewers well the biggest draw is Idra, Huk, Koreans in that order and they will all favour playing MLG especially as MLG is paying for free flights, food and accommodation.

The losers here are the players and Dreamhack, not MLG.

On March 03 2012 03:18 Rabbet wrote:
Will you be offering a free high quality stream like the first Winter Arena?

User was banned for this post.

On March 05 2012 05:57 BanditX wrote:


Lol so true.

I disagree with the frequency with this is occuring. And of course they are going to PPV. We've failed as a community.
This is why no one should have bought the first winter arena. If you give a Corporation like MLG money, they will take it every opportunity they get, then NASL and IPL and Every other --L will catch on and sc2 will be dead.

Good job guys.

EDIT- Its also a bit dubious that they are trying to schedule it on the same day as dreamhack. Sounds like a powerplay by MLGsundance to get viewership. They can't possible be broke if they can buy players from other events. I don't like this at all.

And its obviously intentional. The first one on the same day as ASUS Rog was aslo intentional. These business tactics by MLG are not good for the growth of Esports. Just lining MLG pockets. God I hate MLG more and more everyday.

EDIT2 - Its also terrible for the players to be flying around the world every month. The games evolves when pros can sit and focus on creating new strategies. Not when MLG is begging them to fly around the world twice a month so MLG can make a quick buck. Because they obviously made profit off of Winter Arena, if they can do it again, every month.

Fuck MLG. Go back to shit games like Halo, we don't need you.

On March 05 2012 05:57 BanditX wrote:


Lol so true.

I disagree with the frequency with this is occuring. And of course they are going to PPV. We've failed as a community.
This is why no one should have bought the first winter arena. If you give a Corporation like MLG money, they will take it every opportunity they get, then NASL and IPL and Every other --L will catch on and sc2 will be dead.

Good job guys.

EDIT- Its also a bit dubious that they are trying to schedule it on the same day as dreamhack. Sounds like a powerplay by MLGsundance to get viewership. They can't possible be broke if they can buy players from other events. I don't like this at all.

And its obviously intentional. The first one on the same day as ASUS Rog was aslo intentional. These business tactics by MLG are not good for the growth of Esports. Just lining MLG pockets. God I hate MLG more and more everyday.

EDIT2 - Its also terrible for the players to be flying around the world every month. The games evolves when pros can sit and focus on creating new strategies. Not when MLG is begging them to fly around the world twice a month so MLG can make a quick buck. Because they obviously made profit off of Winter Arena, if they can do it again, every month.

Fuck MLG. Go back to shit games like Halo, we don't need you.

On March 05 2012 06:28 jmbthirteen wrote:
Damn dude, did Sundance bang your mom or something? So much hate against an organization going all in with sc2.

On March 05 2012 06:32 Corrosive wrote:
Seems like you just hate MLG for no real reason. MLG is helping SC2 grow, and you hate that they want money? You realize if none of these organizations had a way to make money sc2 (as a esport) would ACTUALLY be dead right?

On March 05 2012 06:43 BanditX wrote:




Its that MLG is trying to throw their weight and money at the SC2 audience under the guise of growing esports. MLG's goals have nothing to do with esports. Thats like saying WalMart gives money to stop child labor in foreign textile factories. They say it, but it just isnt true. MLG trying to take over and dominant the SC2 scene is unhealthy for the viewership, the players, and other events.

In 2011 MLG's circuit event was exciting. In 2012 they are just trying to cash in. In poor taste at that.

Look at it this way, the most successful, and proven sustainable model to esports has been GomTVs. (Even in broodwar.) Almost like a television series in their approach. It builds drama, its reliable, its frequent enough at a good price. Hell, IPL's current model is better. 5$ HD streams and a ticket to a final live event.

MLGSundance is taking a UFC PPV approach, where you pay 30$USD to watch 2 days worth of content. Which is a ripoff quite honestly. MLG's dealings lately have seemed underhanded. Annouce Winter Arena 2 months in advance, then announce its 20$ fee 10 days before the event, then fuck over all your subscribers (gold members).

Its all a giant power play buy MLG. If you don't see it as well, then you're ignorant about how business works. MLG has the money to draw the star players to their events and weaken other events. HSC3 was exciting because HuK, MC, Ret, Naniwa, everyone went there. Also, its bad for the development of the game and extremely taxing on players to be traveling to MLG events all the time. But why turn it down if they can pay the players $$$$$$ to show up?

What happens when MLG schedules X Arena on the same day as HSC4? or even the week after? Think people.

On March 05 2012 20:39 Metak wrote:
Being mad at MLG for trying to create a profitable business model is naïve if you actually want e-sports to grow. You can be mad at the idea that the world can be considered a slave to capitalist economy, but that is an entirely different discussion.

On March 06 2012 00:08 nutzizme wrote:
this is why i was skeptical about purchasing the winter arena, because now were gonna see mlg transition over to the pay only product. unfortunately for them, their product isn't enough to make me keep dishing out 20s per weekend. the production value isn't any more than i can view for less from tournaments such as dreamhack.

and as far as the whole "supporting esports" shit goes.....me giving my money to mlg doesnt help the "esport" at all.
what has mlg done for the esport with my 20 bucks? they decide they want another 20, and then another and then another.
its not like mlg is bringing in big sponsors to the sc2 community or anything, all theyre doing is convincing people that their product is superior to others, and worth 20$ for a weekend. unfortunately in my eyes, it is not.

/jumps off the mlg train.

ps. im not a cheap fuck, ive paid for many GSL's, season 1 of nasl, and that horrorshow of a mlg in dallas.