EPTMLG Spring Arena Dates Announced - Page 8
| Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments |
|
Madder
Australia427 Posts
| ||
|
HappyChris
1534 Posts
On March 03 2012 08:56 Nonvidius wrote: I hope you realize that MLG is far from making any money, probably very far. If you want players to make more there needs to be incentives for companies to pay them more, hopefully this PPV model works out for MLG and they are at least covering their transport + room and board unlike every other tourney. Don't know why MLG keeps getting flak for this stuff . . . I guess people are really that selfish and bitter about losing their free content. What the feck are you talking about they sayd it was succesfull so they are making money. This got nothing todo with PPV the fact is if the scene and esport got a future the players needs a living. And yea while a free trip to NY might sounds good for some people im sure alot of players would like to get payed for there work. MLG told us support them to save esport ok I did and I payed 20 dollars and ill do it again next event. But things got to be fair the players needs a slice of the money cake and this pathetic little price pool where 90% of the players dont even get payed isnt good enough.. Tell me why a company should make so much more money over players that do all the entertainment that we love to see?? | ||
|
SerafeimSC
98 Posts
While i don't agree with what MLG is doing i also don't agree with you, but eveyone has their own opinions and that is what makes this intersting. I also agree with the one person who was talkinga bout the DH and MLG thing. Really? Its not hard for the event organizer to email/call the other event organizers. Yes there will be competition, but we can deal with that once esports gets bigger because eventually this will happen... But right now with such a small player pool scheduling conflicts can hurt. | ||
|
adiga
495 Posts
On March 03 2012 06:46 THELEHGOTERRAN wrote: They are not just adding one but two more. So? It even supports more my point, I really think this arena was bad for them and no wonder why, with the all the drama 1 week before the kickoff. I do believe most the people didn't bought the pass. But until the 2nd Arena gets by all the heat will get lower and people will be easier to buy by just lowering the price for the pass by 5$, and if that won't work they can change it to 10$ for the 3rd arena. The "it was a success". statement is so vague, and it was the first thing they all said(just like: I get it, we fucked up, we are sorry). | ||
|
Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
On March 03 2012 05:01 MLG_Adam wrote: we're usually pretty good about instituting community changes. You are... what!? gj on scheduling btw, again not the best euro players at your event. | ||
|
Deadlift
United States358 Posts
| ||
|
Spaceneil8
United States317 Posts
On March 03 2012 09:09 HappyChris wrote: What the feck are you talking about they sayd it was succesfull so they are making money. This got nothing todo with PPV the fact is if the scene and esport got a future the players needs a living. And yea while a free trip to NY might sounds good for some people im sure alot of players would like to get payed for there work. MLG told us support them to save esport ok I did and I payed 20 dollars and ill do it again next event. But things got to be fair the players needs a slice of the money cake and this pathetic little price pool where 90% of the players dont even get payed isnt good enough.. Tell me why a company should make so much more money over players that do all the entertainment that we love to see?? Player's main income is their team's salary. The less the team has to spend on travel, the more they can spend on other stuff like salary. It's better for the teams this way. Plus paying out top 8 is still pretty good. 1/4 of players get paid. Also, top 16 get into pool play at columbus and top 16 get payed out there. | ||
|
jake1138
United States82 Posts
| ||
|
darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
Congrats mlg on a successful event and I look forward to future events! | ||
|
TheSir
1830 Posts
On March 03 2012 08:59 krisss wrote: You dont get it. You cant buy ur children food, when all you get is paid trips. And the players are not fukkin salesman. If they wanted to make money by selling stuff, they could definately find a better job than gettin those few bucks from selling tickets?! And yes, they get paid for winning,t hats professional sports. But the relation between what we clients pay, and what the actual stars get is pathetic. We pay 20 dollars each, how much of this money is gone to the main characters? 1 dollar of each pass? sorry, thats just a rip-off. This system would not survive in a "real" economic system. It only works because progamers a kind of "idealistic". 99% of them do it because they love it. If they find out how much money MLG makes by selling those passes for 20 dollars each.. i hope they demand more prize money.. First, all you get is paid trips? You get a free chance to win 10k in 3 days and everything is enraged for you, thats a freaking good deal. But i get it, no you cant buy stuff when your get your trips paid but you have to make serious cash if you want to cover those kinds of trips on your own. What if you loose your first 2 matches? You think you can make a profit then as a player or team? Players would be even worse off when for example MLG would give them for example $2k for showing up instead of covering the expenses, cause then players would need to pay taxes over that. So no bad idea and it wont help them. Or do expect that MLG covers the expenses and give the players a nice entry fee? Your talking about a economic system... what has a economic system to do with this? Absolutely nothing but ok, if the tournament wasn't profitable for the players they wont come. For example Grubby already said that he probably wouldn't come if MLG didn't cover the expenses. In sports in general athlete's dont get their expenses paid, that on it's own is freaking luxury that 90% of the athlete's and teams in any sport would kill for. BTW how do you know how big the percentage is that players received from the referral system? Even if it is 1 dollar thats not bad, thats 5% guaranteed without playing. And do you know how big the profit was in total? I bet you the profit wasn't even that big. On what source do you even build your opinion on that players should demand more prize money? | ||
|
Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
| ||
|
js_the_greatest
Canada7 Posts
| ||
|
Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
And i supose it shows that even for 20 dollars people are willing to put in money in E-sports and making it grow. Best of luck with the other PPV tournaments. | ||
|
Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On March 03 2012 09:09 HappyChris wrote: What the feck are you talking about they sayd it was succesfull so they are making money. This got nothing todo with PPV the fact is if the scene and esport got a future the players needs a living. And yea while a free trip to NY might sounds good for some people im sure alot of players would like to get payed for there work. MLG told us support them to save esport ok I did and I payed 20 dollars and ill do it again next event. But things got to be fair the players needs a slice of the money cake and this pathetic little price pool where 90% of the players dont even get payed isnt good enough.. Tell me why a company should make so much more money over players that do all the entertainment that we love to see?? Basically every player asked about this said they much, much preferred the format of paying all expenses with a smaller prize pool. The players themselves completely disagree with you. | ||
|
Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On March 03 2012 10:06 Champloo wrote: You are... what!? gj on scheduling btw, again not the best euro players at your event. It was actually Dreamhack's fault, not MLG's. | ||
|
krisss
Luxembourg305 Posts
On March 03 2012 11:27 TheSir wrote: First, all you get is paid trips? You get a free chance to win 10k in 3 days and everything is enraged for you, thats a freaking good deal. But i get it, no you cant buy stuff when your get your trips paid but you have to make serious cash if you want to cover those kinds of trips on your own. What if you loose your first 2 matches? You think you can make a profit then as a player or team? Players would be even worse off when for example MLG would give them for example $2k for showing up instead of covering the expenses, cause then players would need to pay taxes over that. So no bad idea and it wont help them. Or do expect that MLG covers the expenses and give the players a nice entry fee? Your talking about a economic system... what has a economic system to do with this? Absolutely nothing but ok, if the tournament wasn't profitable for the players they wont come. For example Grubby already said that he probably wouldn't come if MLG didn't cover the expenses. In sports in general athlete's dont get their expenses paid, that on it's own is freaking luxury that 90% of the athlete's and teams in any sport would kill for. BTW how do you know how big the percentage is that players received from the referral system? Even if it is 1 dollar thats not bad, thats 5% guaranteed without playing. And do you know how big the profit was in total? I bet you the profit wasn't even that big. On what source do you even build your opinion on that players should demand more prize money? You forget that those "big events" are rare. They players dont have a "chance" to win 10k everyday. If you look at the calendar and watch for the events with a prizepool of 10k for the winner, you wont find much. And if you theoretically spread the money of the prizepool to all the participating players to all the players that participated: that 26k for 32 players. Thats not even 1k average for each player. If you think that most of those players dont have the chance of winning such an event every week, they would earn probably more by just asking McDonalds for a job. Yes, they knew it before they became progamers, but when now things change, and that much money is put into the system by the consumers, i want the players to get their fair share of the money. Because its only for them i pay. Sry im not native english speaker, maybe its better to compare this system to an organizational system, where the players are the most important people in the firm. When your one of those VIPs, and you see how suddenly so much more money is put into the organisation (you know its because of you), you have a right the demand a share of that money. And please stop witht hat referral system. Still, the players are not salesmen! They get paid for giving good games, not selling stuff! | ||
|
Archvil3
Denmark989 Posts
Lack of communication and late/bad planning is an industrywide problem, not an MLG problem. | ||
|
Vul
United States685 Posts
I pay for the GSL so I would definitely pay for solid content at the right price, here's hoping they're reducing that $20 price by at least 50%. $10 is probably the most I'd pay to watch just one tournament which takes place over the course of one weekend. If not, best of luck all the same. | ||
|
RyF
Austria508 Posts
2 arenas per year would be more than enough. if evry single tournament would only do it for PPV, esports would be dead within a year. i don't like... | ||
|
KAmaKAsa
Finland210 Posts
| ||
| ||
