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dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
March 02 2012 21:48 GMT
#121
Good job mlg
When life gives you Stalkers, Get blink.
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
March 02 2012 21:49 GMT
#122
Awesome, loved winter arena, amazing games. Cant wait to see the next few arenas. Awesome that it was a success MLG deserves it for the amount of work they put into esports.
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RaiD.RaynoR
Profile Joined February 2012
United States294 Posts
March 02 2012 21:52 GMT
#123
this time i will be constantly refreshing TLupdates
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Isaac
Profile Joined August 2010
United States810 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 22:02:14
March 02 2012 22:01 GMT
#124
On March 03 2012 06:44 Smackzilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 05:49 hacky wrote:
...I don't understand why people want FEWER events.


There's nothing rational about it. Some people just want to bitch.

Its sort of like having Christmas every month. Suddenly the quality and the, for lack of a better word, epicness goes down.

edit: personally, i dont mind having mlgs every month. but having it every week could bring that feeling down for me.
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Smackzilla
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States539 Posts
March 02 2012 22:14 GMT
#125
On March 03 2012 06:46 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 06:44 Smackzilla wrote:
On March 03 2012 05:49 hacky wrote:
...I don't understand why people want FEWER events.


There's nothing rational about it. Some people just want to bitch.

If fewer means higher quality it makes perfect sense. You could argue this issue.


That's a fair point, although I'd wager most people were simply still bitter at MLG for trying PPV.

I'd wager 2 arenas simply means more players. 2 arenas means that if there's a scheduling conflict with one, then there's a chance at making the other. There are plenty of top quality players that didn't make winter arena that I'd love to see in an arena and then seeded in the championships, so I'm not too worried about the quality of players being diluted. I'd also say that 2 arenas will increase the number of top players we see in the MLG championships.
You see a mousetrap. I see free cheese and a f&%*ing challenge - Scroobius Pip
schimmetje
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1104 Posts
March 02 2012 22:15 GMT
#126
Wow. What, 6 regular MLGs in total last year, 3 PPV ones in 4 months this time. I guess MLG found the cow level.
Change to MY nostalgia? UNACCEPTABLE! Monkey paaaw!
Smackzilla
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States539 Posts
March 02 2012 22:16 GMT
#127
On March 03 2012 07:01 Isaac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 06:44 Smackzilla wrote:
On March 03 2012 05:49 hacky wrote:
...I don't understand why people want FEWER events.


There's nothing rational about it. Some people just want to bitch.

Its sort of like having Christmas every month. Suddenly the quality and the, for lack of a better word, epicness goes down.

edit: personally, i dont mind having mlgs every month. but having it every week could bring that feeling down for me.


Sure, at some point it breaks down. However, I don't think going from 1 arena and 1 championship to 2 arenas and 1 championship pushes us over that edge.
You see a mousetrap. I see free cheese and a f&%*ing challenge - Scroobius Pip
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 22:24:06
March 02 2012 22:23 GMT
#128
This whole not being on the calender seems to be working out better for MLG, instead of putting these dates on the calender they make this thread with basically just the dates as an OP and it remains bumped for a few days. More people probably end up seeing it or at least taking more notice of it.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
March 02 2012 22:25 GMT
#129
On March 03 2012 06:31 Xcobidoo wrote:
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On March 03 2012 04:24 Bumblebee wrote:
Unfortunate that DreamHack and the first Spring Arena will be on the same dates.

You know some of these smaller events like ASUS, Dreamhack, IPL and NASL just slip under the radar, it happens. You can't keep track of every tournament out there, especially not those that are 2(plural!) times a year.


dreamhack isnt a small tournament
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
March 02 2012 22:31 GMT
#130
On March 03 2012 07:25 GreyKnight wrote:
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On March 03 2012 06:31 Xcobidoo wrote:
On March 03 2012 04:24 Bumblebee wrote:
Unfortunate that DreamHack and the first Spring Arena will be on the same dates.

You know some of these smaller events like ASUS, Dreamhack, IPL and NASL just slip under the radar, it happens. You can't keep track of every tournament out there, especially not those that are 2(plural!) times a year.


dreamhack isnt a small tournament


He was being sarcastic :|
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
ReturnStroke
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States801 Posts
March 02 2012 22:40 GMT
#131
Sick. I'm glad it was a success!
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 22:45:11
March 02 2012 22:43 GMT
#132
On March 03 2012 05:46 LovE- wrote:
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On March 03 2012 05:27 HappyChris wrote:
Well since its such a huge success I really hope you up the price winnings. Its so small and im not just talking about top or I mean top 8 etc.

You talk so much about saving esport and make it financial viable but what about the players shoulnt it be financial viable for them also?

Not everyone can get top 3 or top 8.

Im very sceptics atm it seems you guys pulling in huge sums of money but the players that basically make all this happend are barely payed a minimum vage.

I would love to see that all players get payed some and the top 8 should be really good!

So MLG Adam time to show some love towards the players?



You realize all of the players had EVERYTHING paid for for the arenas? Travel/Hotel/3 Meals per day... AND they got money for top finishes?

What more do you want?
Give each player $5,000.00 for just coming?



No I dont. But I want players to be payed for there work time. Who cares if they get a free trip to NY. They are still working and spending time in NY without getting payed. Atleast at mcdonalds you get minimum vage

So you think its ok that players only get a free trip to New York and work there ass off while MLG makes $$$ of the players?



vijeze
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands719 Posts
March 02 2012 22:49 GMT
#133
On March 03 2012 07:43 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 05:46 LovE- wrote:
On March 03 2012 05:27 HappyChris wrote:
Well since its such a huge success I really hope you up the price winnings. Its so small and im not just talking about top or I mean top 8 etc.

You talk so much about saving esport and make it financial viable but what about the players shoulnt it be financial viable for them also?

Not everyone can get top 3 or top 8.

Im very sceptics atm it seems you guys pulling in huge sums of money but the players that basically make all this happend are barely payed a minimum vage.

I would love to see that all players get payed some and the top 8 should be really good!

So MLG Adam time to show some love towards the players?



You realize all of the players had EVERYTHING paid for for the arenas? Travel/Hotel/3 Meals per day... AND they got money for top finishes?

What more do you want?
Give each player $5,000.00 for just coming?



No I dont. But I want players to be payed for there work time. Who cares if they get a free trip to NY. They are still working and spending time in NY without getting payed. Atleast at mcdonalds you get minimum vage

So you think its ok that players only get a free trip to New York and work there ass off while MLG makes $$$ of the players?




In the end, the players CHOOSE to go.
kiy0
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal593 Posts
March 02 2012 22:50 GMT
#134
Gotta love the part where he goes "first of all.. this was a success [fake reading the cards]"

They didn't announce the overall attendance via stream, going with an extremely vague and meaningless "this was a success".
I guess this pretty much says that PPV didn't work as well as they thought it would. Hopefully they will reevaluate the situation. Overall, the tournament was amazing and you can't really ask for a more stacked tournament than this one.
Wisemen speak when they have something to say. Others speak when they have to say something.
Smackzilla
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States539 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 22:57:20
March 02 2012 22:52 GMT
#135
On March 03 2012 07:43 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 05:46 LovE- wrote:
On March 03 2012 05:27 HappyChris wrote:
Well since its such a huge success I really hope you up the price winnings. Its so small and im not just talking about top or I mean top 8 etc.

You talk so much about saving esport and make it financial viable but what about the players shoulnt it be financial viable for them also?

Not everyone can get top 3 or top 8.

Im very sceptics atm it seems you guys pulling in huge sums of money but the players that basically make all this happend are barely payed a minimum vage.

I would love to see that all players get payed some and the top 8 should be really good!

So MLG Adam time to show some love towards the players?



You realize all of the players had EVERYTHING paid for for the arenas? Travel/Hotel/3 Meals per day... AND they got money for top finishes?

What more do you want?
Give each player $5,000.00 for just coming?



No I dont. But I want players to be payed for there work time. Who cares if they get a free trip to NY. They are still working and spending time in NY without getting payed. Atleast at mcdonalds you get minimum vage

So you think its ok that players only get a free trip to New York and work there ass off while MLG makes $$$ of the players?





Everyone can't be a winner. Upping the prize pool is nice, but a real salary is better. Earning a decent living is the responsibility of teams and their sponsors. MLG has payed the expense of players going to the tournament. Teams and their sponsors reaped the benefit of having their brand represented at MLG basically for free. If players need more money, the teams can pass that savings onto their players in the form of a salary and/or raise, pay for team houses, support them in their training or send them to other tournaments they can make money at, etc.

Course, I'm sure its all much more complicated than that. I just think it's crap to say that MLG is not helping players out with free travel, room, and board.
You see a mousetrap. I see free cheese and a f&%*ing challenge - Scroobius Pip
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 23:13:20
March 02 2012 23:10 GMT
#136
On March 03 2012 07:50 kiy0 wrote:
Gotta love the part where he goes "first of all.. this was a success [fake reading the cards]"

They didn't announce the overall attendance via stream, going with an extremely vague and meaningless "this was a success".
I guess this pretty much says that PPV didn't work as well as they thought it would. Hopefully they will reevaluate the situation. Overall, the tournament was amazing and you can't really ask for a more stacked tournament than this one.


Even if the first one was a great success or a mild failure they need more data points to truly know where this whole PPV stands. So unless they only got 100 or so people buying the PPV there were going to be more PPV events regardless. Anyone who thought otherwise is delusional. The more PPV events there are the less "new" they are and more people hesitant to purchase. Especially if other events will have the same exact players just a week later for free and without Extended Series so you actually get to see straight up Bo5's and Bo7's between the best players.

MLG needs a monopoly or this will either fizzle out or just become a one or two time a year event. They've already attempted to buy loyalty from teams/personalities through their referral system. I wouldn't be surprised if they start paying for appearance fees to certain players so they don't go to another conflicting tournament that will have more viewers for the teams sponsors. Which at the end of the day pays the teams bills. The writing is on the wall.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
Lennient
Profile Joined January 2012
497 Posts
March 02 2012 23:12 GMT
#137
On March 03 2012 07:50 kiy0 wrote:
Gotta love the part where he goes "first of all.. this was a success [fake reading the cards]"

They didn't announce the overall attendance via stream, going with an extremely vague and meaningless "this was a success".
I guess this pretty much says that PPV didn't work as well as they thought it would. Hopefully they will reevaluate the situation. Overall, the tournament was amazing and you can't really ask for a more stacked tournament than this one.

Why would they continue to do so if they failed ? For the passion of Esports ?

Also, they can just make up a number. If they announced a number that exceeds the expectation of everyone ,other organizations would follow.
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
March 02 2012 23:14 GMT
#138
On March 03 2012 07:43 HappyChris wrote:
No I dont. But I want players to be payed for there work time. Who cares if they get a free trip to NY. They are still working and spending time in NY without getting payed. Atleast at mcdonalds you get minimum vage

So you think its ok that players only get a free trip to New York and work there ass off while MLG makes $$$ of the players?



They get paid for their time when they are winning, that's what sports is.
I can imagine though they probably get a small entering fee and dont forget that players had the option to use the referral system to get a percentage (i guess) of the tickets.

Thats not bad when they cover you on everything else and you even can take someone with you if you really want.
And only a free trip? When for example a EU player need to cover something like that on his own money it will cost him probably around $1,5/$2k total (2 tickets, hotel, food etc), not to mention he has to enrage it all, now MLG did it all for the players.







Nonvidius
Profile Joined March 2011
United States34 Posts
March 02 2012 23:56 GMT
#139

On March 03 2012 05:27 HappyChris wrote:

No I dont. But I want players to be payed for there work time. Who cares if they get a free trip to NY. They are still working and spending time in NY without getting payed. Atleast at mcdonalds you get minimum vage

So you think its ok that players only get a free trip to New York and work there ass off while MLG makes $$$ of the players?





I hope you realize that MLG is far from making any money, probably very far. If you want players to make more there needs to be incentives for companies to pay them more, hopefully this PPV model works out for MLG and they are at least covering their transport + room and board unlike every other tourney. Don't know why MLG keeps getting flak for this stuff . . . I guess people are really that selfish and bitter about losing their free content.
krisss
Profile Joined November 2010
Luxembourg305 Posts
March 02 2012 23:59 GMT
#140
On March 03 2012 08:14 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2012 07:43 HappyChris wrote:
No I dont. But I want players to be payed for there work time. Who cares if they get a free trip to NY. They are still working and spending time in NY without getting payed. Atleast at mcdonalds you get minimum vage

So you think its ok that players only get a free trip to New York and work there ass off while MLG makes $$$ of the players?



They get paid for their time when they are winning, that's what sports is.
I can imagine though they probably get a small entering fee and dont forget that players had the option to use the referral system to get a percentage (i guess) of the tickets.

Thats not bad when they cover you on everything else and you even can take someone with you if you really want.
And only a free trip? When for example a EU player need to cover something like that on his own money it will cost him probably around $1,5/$2k total (2 tickets, hotel, food etc), not to mention he has to enrage it all, now MLG did it all for the players.



You dont get it.
You cant buy ur children food, when all you get is paid trips.
And the players are not fukkin salesman. If they wanted to make money by selling stuff, they could definately find a better job than gettin those few bucks from selling tickets?!

And yes, they get paid for winning,t hats professional sports. But the relation between what we clients pay, and what the actual stars get is pathetic. We pay 20 dollars each, how much of this money is gone to the main characters? 1 dollar of each pass? sorry, thats just a rip-off. This system would not survive in a "real" economic system. It only works because progamers a kind of "idealistic". 99% of them do it because they love it. If they find out how much money MLG makes by selling those passes for 20 dollars each.. i hope they demand more prize money..
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