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On March 24 2012 03:23 peacenl wrote:Great initiative, unfortunately only applicable for those studying in Nijmegen. It seems that the title "Dutch Starcraft League" was a bit misleading  It's too bad that people from other universities such as the University of Utrecht can't join, I know that there are quite a few people that would like to join, especially from the beta science departments.
Nono, this tourney is definately open to all dutch students, read the OP again 
The currently running tournament is in Nijmegen and only for Nijmegen students (called the NSSL), but this thread is about the general Dutch format that will start coming January!
So yeah, you can join the Dutch Starcraft League
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On March 24 2012 03:28 bblack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 03:23 peacenl wrote:Great initiative, unfortunately only applicable for those studying in Nijmegen. It seems that the title "Dutch Starcraft League" was a bit misleading It's too bad that people from other universities such as the University of Utrecht can't join, I know that there are quite a few people that would like to join, especially from the beta science departments. Nono, this tourney is definately open to all dutch students, read the OP again The currently running tournament is in Nijmegen and only for Nijmegen students (called the NSSL), but this thread is about the general Dutch format that will start coming January! So yeah, you can join the Dutch Starcraft League
Great! Let me know if I can spread any info on the campus (uithof: Utrecht University, UMC & Hogeschool Utrecht) here.
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How about 1 for dutch players only and one held in holland available for anyone?
The first one to get some experience hosting tournaments and the 2nd one a bit 'bigger' so to speak. Of course, if you enjoy organizing it.
I really like the idea of dutch tournaments.
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I'm still torn on whether it should be a tournament FOR Dutch players, or BY Dutch players.
And I'm thinking there will be a beta-tournament in 2012, to test out all the systems on the website and to maybe hype up the DSCL some more. More details about this after the NSSL finals (June).
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How about putting it like this:
To be eligible to enter the tournament, you have to:
Be a Dutch citizen
OR
Be born in the Netherlands
OR
Live here for at least a year(or X number of years)
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On March 24 2012 06:30 dracomanm wrote:
How about putting it like this:
To be eligible to enter the tournament, you have to:
Be a Dutch citizen
OR
Be born in the Netherlands
OR
Live here for at least a year(or X number of years)
That does seem reasonable. But even if we can get the perfectly fair rule, do we even need it? If someone like Feast wanted to join, should we really be trying to prevent that?
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Well yeah - I think we should! StarCraft, being an indivial sport, is like speed skating. You wouldn't want a Belgian speed skater to win the Dutch speed skating championship? What sense is there in calling it 'Dutch' then?
However, in team sports - like football - there's teams who are from the Netherlands, but do not necessarily consist purely of Dutch players. That's different - the teams are still Dutch.
That's why I suggest to open the individual league to Dutch nationals only, while allowing foreigners living in The Netherlands to join teams in the team league. That way all the Dutch (also those living abroad) can join the tournament, and all those living in The Netherlands can also join the tournament, be it through the team league. And mainly: the champion of the individual league will be the best Dutch StarCraft player, which I think the Dutch StarCraft League is there to decide.
My point is really not to exclude anyone - that's not my goal here. However, I do believe that clearly demarcating what the DSCL is for will help us find a place between all the other tournaments, most of which anyone can enter.
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First of all ty Caspel for setting something like this up! It's a great Idea and what I see from the NSSL untill now it ROX!
to continue with the topic, I think it should be for dutchies, mainly because (from what I understand) this tournament is partly created to introduce the esports scene in The Netherlands, so it'll better IMO to give a good reflection of how big Sc2 actually is in this lil'country without a chunk of foreigners..... @ least for the first year that is, I think that moving it from the NSSL to national is a big step itself allrdy.
If you make ppl send a small interview on webcam for their participation, you still will have some who are not dutchies, but @ least you can narrow some down.
furthermore you can expect loads more of ppl joining next year so in that case maybe it is a idea to split up players in groups determent by their league lvl, for example: players from bronze-gold en other group plat-masters. after that you can combine the winners ith each other in the RO64 or something like that. This will prevent that lower lvl players will hesitate to join because they might get annihilated by some Nerd like me >:D
Cheers!
p.s: send me some replays from NSSL allrdy! Can't wait <3
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@RmF - thanks for the cheers & your tips. As you can imagine, I agree with on the issue of who can participate. I don't think we should ask people to send in a short video however, I think that might scare more people off than the idea that they might face a high level player in their group.
I'm also not sure if we can split the groups into levels. There's no way to really check in advance if people specify which league they are in accurately, and in the end all the low-level players will be eliminated anyway. Maybe we can make some kind of losers-group after the first group round...
Replays for you to cast are on the way
On a related note: I've played my first matches in the NSSL today! I was super nervous In the first match I went down 0-2 against a diamond level zerg, but in the second match I managed to win 2-0 against another zerg, who hadn't been playing since the beta...
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Looks cool, Utrecht is a good place to do it, first 2 Barcrafts took place there aswell
If you need any help just pm me ;D!
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PM sent
There's some new casts on the website, some of them in English!
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i'd realy love if it would be open to Dutch speaking Belgians aswell
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Im 15 year (though im masters terran) And member of www.atgaming.nl maybe i can inform them for you though only the sc2 team also gots foreingers. But Its sounds awesome. I only hope thats its no problem im 15 and do vmbo-tl 
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Belgian players who speak dutch? ^-^
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I would recommend that for the first DSL, only people who live in the netherlands are allowed to join.
That includes foreign people/students who are currently living in the netherlands. Then if the DSL gets more popular not only in the netherlands, but also in other countries you could allow people to join
who don't live in the netherlands.
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@Ferdie: thanks for the recommendation. But can you explain your thoughts behind it?
I for one don't know why we'd want to extend the DSCL to other countries in the future. It's the Dutch StarCraft League, after all! Sure, maybe it could become part of something bigger - but again: my intention is to create a platform for all the Dutch to compete, and for the winner to be able to say that he is the best Dutch SC player. Not allowing Dutch people who live abroad to join, and on the other hand allowing foreigners living in The Netherlands to join, is not in line with these intentions.
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@ThumZz: if you want to spread the word at atgaming, please do! You're all welcome to come watch the live finals, and of course if you want you can enter the team competition next year. You can also enter the tournament individually, age and education will not present barriers in the slightest.
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Well I guess if your intention for this tournament is to find out, who is the ''best'' Dutch SC2 players. Then I suppose I would agree not expanding to other countries. And also not allowing foreigners to join the tournament, unless they have a dutch passport.
I actually thought your intentions were similar to NASL, where you don't have to be north American to participate and everyone can participate.
I feel like this tournament will definitely turn out great, but I also think that it could be awesome. Currently I only know of two good dutch sc2 players, which are ret and grubby. And too be honest grubby isn't that good if you compare him to other high skilled sc2 players (non-koreans included).
The reason why I thought we could expand this tournament in the future is so we could attract more high skilled players and make this tournament even greater then it already would have been.
But then again this is just how I feel, and you should definitely do how you want to do it.
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@Ferdie: thanks for sharing your thoughts! The option of opening the tournament to everyone is indeed something to consider, but perhaps that's something for the future. If the first edition is a success, we could very well think about expanding internationally
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sign me up for 2013
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