The Dutch StarCraft League (DSCL) is an open StarCraft 2-tournament held in the Netherlands. Anyone is free to join, as long as they are willing and able to come to the offline finals (if they make it that far). Players from all skill levels are welcome – it doesn’t matter if you’re a bronze player or a pro – and participation is free! The main goal of the tournament is having fun.
All info about the tournament is on the Dutch StarCraft League website. The format of the individual league, in a nutshell, is: 1) 12 online qualifiers. Top two get direct seed, the rest earn qualification points. 64 players (24 direct seed + 40 top points) qualify for the tournament. 2) Main Tournament - 4 separate 16-player double elimination brackets. Top two of each bracket move on to offline finals. 3) Live (offline) finals on June 1st 2013 - top 8 players play a double elimination bracket to determine the winner.
Team league: start in March. No qualifiers, all teams get seeded into double elimination brackets. Top 4 teams get invited to live finals event and play single elimination to determine the winner.
The qualifiers have finished and both the Individual League and Team League have started! There are weekly broadcasts (on Thursdays and Sundays) and we're now taking seat reservations for the finals!
Bonus: We were on national television in October - Ret & Harstem were also there to play a live game. Check it out right here.
Note: when this topic was started, the tournament was introduced as a student-only tournament. You'll find the discussion leading up to the decision to make it completely open on the first few pages.
I haven't enrolled myself for another study yet, but I want to echo my support anyways Gl with organising this, hope it'll be a fun and recurring league!
Wait what, 2013 :O. This is only if we survive 2012. On a more serieus note, Grubby and Rotterdam casting? :D i'll keep my ears open for sc2 players at my university
@Darcomicron & @Passion (PM): you raise a valid point. Why not let everyone play along? Why not a general national starcraft league? We could still have teams from companies / universities / etc. if we wanted.
We'd need a name though. Is there anything compatible with our cool 4-letter domain that we could use? Netherlands S...? StarCraft League? Would be cool to reuse the domain, because domains like dsl.nl (Dutch StarCraft League) and nsl.nl have obviously been taken already.
And are there downsides to making this a general league? With which leagues would we be competing?
This sounds and looks awesome! I myself study at the Erasmus Universiteit in Rotterdam, and have overheard several other students talking about SC2 already, so finding enough players from all universities and hogescholen in The Netherlands shouldn't be a problem!
I'm sorry to have spoken out of bounds! All I meant is that it's not impossible to reach you, as I've e-mailed with your manager earlier, and she said that she was "certain that you'd be very interested in the event" I'll change it to 'we could try to pursuade Apollo and TotalBiscuit', and of course contact you as early as possible when things like dates become concrete.
Why do you people exclude students that do not go to a hogeschool of university? People who go to MBO should have the same right to play. Same can be said for Phd students. Also it sucks that once you stop with a study or you graduate, you cannot play anymore :S Why not make a normal amateur tournament for everyone in Holland to participate in. You'd get more people to show up, more sponsor money and more viewers.
"Hogeschool" is equivalent to "HBO (Hoger beroepsonderwijs) "Universiteit" is as it says.
Did you accidentally exclude MBO (Middelbaar beroepsonderwijs) students or are they not eligible? I triple checked to be sure and MBO educations do not fall under 'hoge school'.
As a Games Design Student, and someone who spends alot of time in Nijmegen where my parrents live, this is like a dream come true. Finaly a Dutch tournament! And basicaly in my backyard. Time to put my masterleague skills to the test in a tournament for the first time! And I would be the first person to come to any sort of help you need with graphics(Studying to become concept artist) wise or otherwise(Father works in theather in Nijmegen, great recourse for E-sports set-design), but allas my lowly education does not qualify.
I actualy never made TL account before because I mostly steer away from forum discussions. But this time I actualy felt insulted. What possible reason could you have to exclude MBO's from your list? Are we to lowly and uneducated to play in the same room as an University snob?
Anyway, good luck with your discriminatory tournament. And I wonder, did are Grubby or Ret still in college?(lol)
This will be great if we can find the sponsors. Perhaps if the Nijmegen league will be a success we'll get some additional attention. I think a national league not linked to universities or colleges would be a good idea!
This whole thing started out as a local tournament for people at my 'school'. You know? Small-time. Fun with friends. Soon it became bigger, and while we initially made it national as far as students are concerned people were quite right to point out that there doesn´t seem to be a reason to exclude non-students. It's not like there's a national league already!
So yes: very likely this thing will be an open tournament for ALL Dutch citizens! Just give me like, a day, to buy domain names and think it through.
On March 03 2012 00:11 VanCaspel wrote: Everybody chill!
This whole thing started out as a local tournament for people at my 'school'. You know? Small-time. Fun with friends. Soon it became bigger, and while we initially made it national as far as students are concerned people were quite right to point out that there doesn´t seem to be a reason to exclude non-students. It's not like there's a national league already!
So yes: very likely this thing will be an open tournament for ALL Dutch citizens! Just give me like, a day, to buy domain names and think it through.
Netherlands StarCraft League (NSL) or Dutch StarCraft League (DSL)? I like NSL better, but don't we run the risk of getting confused with other tournaments?
I'm sorry to have spoken out of bounds! All I meant is that it's not impossible to reach you, as I've e-mailed with your manager earlier, and she said that she was "certain that you'd be very interested in the event" I'll change it to 'we could try to pursuade Apollo and TotalBiscuit', and of course contact you as early as possible when things like dates become concrete.
Mhm. I won't be available fyi, I'm not taking European bookings for a few months from April since I'm moving to the US
I'm sorry to have spoken out of bounds! All I meant is that it's not impossible to reach you, as I've e-mailed with your manager earlier, and she said that she was "certain that you'd be very interested in the event" I'll change it to 'we could try to pursuade Apollo and TotalBiscuit', and of course contact you as early as possible when things like dates become concrete.
Mhm. I won't be available fyi, I'm not taking European bookings for a few months from April since I'm moving to the US
Yep, Genna told me you wouldn't. But who knows - 2013 may be different
I´ve put a notification in the topic start - next week we'll decide on the name for the tournament and I'll update the topic start. Until then feel free to discuss anything!
My girlfriend's flying over to visit me in Scotland for the next few days, so I might not respond as often as usual
now that they changed the rules to all dutch citizens, im already preparing builds in online tournaments with teammates, really looking forward to it especially if totalbiscuit and apollo will be able to cast and who knows who will stand in the finals and suddenly has a big name in Esports. whoooo knows
This does indeed seem to attract a lot of positive attention in very short time. I suggest that after while focussing on the NSSL we could take note of things to keep or change for the coming national event
The main challenge will be a financial one I guess. Making it that large requires decent amounts of moneyz to get decent casters and a venue and all. Maybe it's smart to combine the live finals with a big LAN event, like most large tourneys do? Would require a lot more planning though, but seems feasible to me?
I am subscribed to the current Nijmegen League, and look forward to a national league!
I voted for Dutch SC League, as it sounds better. Abbreviated, I would go for DS2L or DSCL, because those abbreviations are more unique (which is handy for twitter hashtags etc.).
If money becomes a problem, you could opt for a full online league. No venue, amateur casters for just the topX. Yes it would reduce the amount of coolness, but IMO getting things on track seems more important than fluffying it up.
On March 03 2012 02:03 bblack wrote: This does indeed seem to attract a lot of positive attention in very short time. I suggest that after while focussing on the NSSL we could take note of things to keep or change for the coming national event
The main challenge will be a financial one I guess. Making it that large requires decent amounts of moneyz to get decent casters and a venue and all. Maybe it's smart to combine the live finals with a big LAN event, like most large tourneys do? Would require a lot more planning though, but seems feasible to me?
I don't think it's doable to create something as DreamHack from scratch. It'd be better to make it an online tournament with offline semi's/finals or something like that. It's easy to think of a lot of things to make it better, but actually planning it will be a lot harder.
I think that the best thing to do is to make a solid plan as far as possible. It's very hard to estimate how many people will come and because of that it's hard to convince companies to give us money. If we can create a solid plan that we can present to enough companies, I'm sure that there are some companies that are interested
On March 03 2012 02:33 Liveon wrote:I don't think it's doable to create something as DreamHack from scratch. It'd be better to make it an online tournament with offline semi's/finals or something like that. It's easy to think of a lot of things to make it better, but actually planning it will be a lot harder.
I agree, start small, improve, then get big. Start big and you'll both have beginners problems and insane expectations (think NASL S1 finals).
One could argue that 'Netherlands Starcraft League' is not a good name because the denonym for The Netherlands is 'Dutch'. However, in most official documents and institutions, the world 'Dutch' is replaced with the word 'Netherlands' to avoid confusion. The word 'Netherlands' in this sense is a proper adjective by analogy to the same adjective in Dutch (Nederlands).
I'd say 'Netherlands Starcraft League' is the best choice. You could abbreviate it as 'NLSL'
Oh sorry, maybe I was unclear. I didn't mean host a LAN, that's way too much to handle, especially the first time. I meant just having our finals at an existing LAN, there are a few medium sized ones in the Netherlands That would make arranging an appropriate venue easier, regardless of the number of participants that we get.
i think its better to have the finals online, its better to start online then offline because also players need to be able to travel to the lan itself, not everybody is capable of doign so
On March 03 2012 04:41 Horururu wrote: Glad to see you changed your policy, also Netherlands Starcraft League is not correct English Drop the "s" at the end?
See the last post on page 2. It is. Besides, I don't think I've ever heard of 'Netherland'.
On March 03 2012 04:41 Horururu wrote: Glad to see you changed your policy, also Netherlands Starcraft League is not correct English Drop the "s" at the end?
See the last post on page 2. It is. Besides, I don't think I've ever heard of 'Netherland'.
Regardless if it's correct or not, I personally feel "Dutch Starcraft League" sounds better than "Netherlands Starcraft League". There is something off about it. Also, I support the format with the first few rounds purely online and the last few rounds (top 8?) as an offline live 1- or 2-day event with spectators.
cant they just make all Europe Starcraft League or... something similar to GSL WSL? World Starcraft League? Europe should be competing against Korea for its righteous place to hold consistent huge events all year long.
Well there are a lot of European tourneys Iron Squid seems superhot, the groups are packed with talent! And as for the World SL, that was what the GSL originally was supposed to be, but now that they have removed the merit based draw systeem, they seem further away from being global than ever.
But first let's see how our Dutch league will do, then maybe after that we could consider going continental
Awesome, the first Dutch tournament in a while, inform me if there's anything in Nijmegen because I'm currently taking in part in a program at the RU ( This: http://www.ru.nl/studereninnijmegen/radboud-universiteit/vwo/ , while in 5VWO), so I'd love to come to the tounament if there's any offline part.
On March 04 2012 01:18 Haustka wrote: cant they just make all Europe Starcraft League or... something similar to GSL WSL? World Starcraft League? Europe should be competing against Korea for its righteous place to hold consistent huge events all year long.
You seem to live outside of reason, let me explain: This tournament is being set up by someone who loves eSports and wants to take time to form a Dutch scene. This has nothing to do with Europe or the world, this has to do with getting some love for SCII in our tiny country. There are no huge sponsors, there are no plans to make this viewed by millions of people. I'd be happy if we'd get more than 60 applicants
On March 04 2012 01:18 Haustka wrote: cant they just make all Europe Starcraft League or... something similar to GSL WSL? World Starcraft League? Europe should be competing against Korea for its righteous place to hold consistent huge events all year long.
You seem to live outside of reason, let me explain: This tournament is being set up by someone who loves eSports and wants to take time to form a Dutch scene. This has nothing to do with Europe or the world, this has to do with getting some love for SCII in our tiny country. There are no huge sponsors, there are no plans to make this viewed by millions of people. I'd be happy if we'd get more than 60 applicants
And if you still think making a league for such a region is counterintuitive just look at all the leagues which have been set up for all the individual states in the US, it´s about the same size, small enough that people can get together relatively easily but still large enough to support it´s own league (presumably).
On March 04 2012 01:18 Haustka wrote: cant they just make all Europe Starcraft League or... something similar to GSL WSL? World Starcraft League? Europe should be competing against Korea for its righteous place to hold consistent huge events all year long.
You seem to live outside of reason, let me explain: This tournament is being set up by someone who loves eSports and wants to take time to form a Dutch scene. This has nothing to do with Europe or the world, this has to do with getting some love for SCII in our tiny country. There are no huge sponsors, there are no plans to make this viewed by millions of people. I'd be happy if we'd get more than 60 applicants
I would expect a lot more. The nijmegen version already has 40.
On March 04 2012 01:18 Haustka wrote: cant they just make all Europe Starcraft League or... something similar to GSL WSL? World Starcraft League? Europe should be competing against Korea for its righteous place to hold consistent huge events all year long.
You seem to live outside of reason, let me explain: This tournament is being set up by someone who loves eSports and wants to take time to form a Dutch scene. This has nothing to do with Europe or the world, this has to do with getting some love for SCII in our tiny country. There are no huge sponsors, there are no plans to make this viewed by millions of people. I'd be happy if we'd get more than 60 applicants
I would expect a lot more. The nijmegen version already has 40.
that's good to hear I think that, if we can make an estimate about how many participants we'd have, it's easier to get sponsors. And since this is for everyone, we could even make 300 or so. I know that we had about 30 participants, and that's a smaller city. But it's hard to make a realistic estimate without knowing the numbers of earlier tournaments. Have there been large tournaments in NL? And by tournaments I mean stand-alone SCII tourneys.
On March 04 2012 01:18 Haustka wrote: cant they just make all Europe Starcraft League or... something similar to GSL WSL? World Starcraft League? Europe should be competing against Korea for its righteous place to hold consistent huge events all year long.
You seem to live outside of reason, let me explain: This tournament is being set up by someone who loves eSports and wants to take time to form a Dutch scene. This has nothing to do with Europe or the world, this has to do with getting some love for SCII in our tiny country. There are no huge sponsors, there are no plans to make this viewed by millions of people. I'd be happy if we'd get more than 60 applicants
I would expect a lot more. The nijmegen version already has 40.
that's good to hear I think that, if we can make an estimate about how many participants we'd have, it's easier to get sponsors. And since this is for everyone, we could even make 300 or so. I know that we had about 30 participants, and that's a smaller city. But it's hard to make a realistic estimate without knowing the numbers of earlier tournaments. Have there been large tournaments in NL? And by tournaments I mean stand-alone SCII tourneys.
I don't think so, ours seems to be the first But yeah, even in Nijmegen we are probably gonna reach about 60 participants, so a national alternative should yield a couple of hundred of enthousiastic nerds
if you like i got a pretty solid tournament structure sort of worked out a few months ago. with the taught of making a tournament for the benelux. however due to being way to busy with all kinds of things I have no time to work this out. so if you like just send a PM.
I really like the idea of it, but i dislike it being for students only. It is understandable why you want that but you could gife younger people a change aswell. I am now in VWO5 and i really like to participate but it seems i can't do that right now. But if it still excist when i go to an university i will participate.
On March 04 2012 04:20 Ewu wrote: Awesome, the first Dutch tournament in a while, inform me if there's anything in Nijmegen because I'm currently taking in part in a program at the RU ( This: http://www.ru.nl/studereninnijmegen/radboud-universiteit/vwo/ , while in 5VWO), so I'd love to come to the tounament if there's any offline part.
Well, there is a Nijmegen version happening this year The application deadline is the first of April, but you must be a RU or HAN student of some kind, I'm not sure if you would qualify? But you can find the thread over here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=304928
On March 05 2012 23:30 limpie wrote: I really like the idea of it, but i dislike it being for students only. It is understandable why you want that but you could gife younger people a change aswell. I am now in VWO5 and i really like to participate but it seems i can't do that right now. But if it still excist when i go to an university i will participate.
The national version is no longer for students only, all dutch citizens can join
This sounds great! If anybody wants to start a team for students at the Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, count me in. If not, I'll probably make a team with my friends.
I would love to compete with people from the netherlands. I'm no student tho so I guess I will have to wait 2-3 years before I can participate... Just make it national so everyone can make teams and join.
Thanks to everyone for their input! I believe the poll has shown that 'Dutch StarCraft League', abbreviated as 'DSCL' is a name which many people think is fine name for the tournament. I will request a name change for the topic and have claimed several domain name: dscl.nl, starcraftleague.nl and dutchstarcraftleague.nl.
@Aelonius, Paulio & bblack: while the tournament will indeed be as open as can be, I believe this will be sufficiently implied by the fact that its called the 'Dutch StarCraft League' (with no further qualifications), which - incidentally - I think sounds better. We'll make sure to be very clear about the open status of the tournament on the website. Also: both DSCO (Dutch Seating Company) and DOSL (soccer club) are associated with other Dutch organizations, while DSCL is not.
@agahamsorr0w: no need to wait 2-3 years, read the start-post!
@theMarkovian: thanks for the tip about the abbreviation. #DSCL seems to be a hardly-used hashtag on Twitter.
As I understand it, NSSL (Nijmegen Studenten Starcraft Leage) is a university-only tourney as a beta test for the DSCL-league as a whole, so after the NSSL is over, everybody can join.
Yep - you're right. The sign-ups for the DSCL have not started at the moment, and this year's NSSL is only open to students from Nijmegen (RU or HAN).
Do you guys think that if we set up the dedicated DSCL-website and sign-ups after the NSSL has finished (June 7th), that would be soon enough? I think it should be.
Totalbiscuit and dApollo would be freaking baller I'd be at the even just for that.
I'm kind of Sour that there is no ability to get in from an ROC like the one on Heyendaal. Also I wonder, I am currently being educated in Nijmegen but I will probably go to Den Bosch next year since I will finish my current study this year.
Will this prevent me from getting into this?
and I assume the tourny will be open to view to anyone.
@Thomassn: please read the start post - the DSCL will be open to any Dutch citizen!
You might be confused with the NSSL, the tournament which is being held this april and yes - that one is only open to RU & HAN-students. It is, however, open to view for anyone! We will post replays on the website, and there will be a live stream for the finals. But obviously you wont be watching the stream, as the finals can also be viewed on location! See you there
@halfies: hmm, good question. I'm not sure whether we should do that though. Dutch citizens living abroad can join in, but 'foreigners' living in The Netherlands? I'm not sure! Where should we draw the line? And also: how would we ever be able to verify whether someone from the UK was living in The Netherlands? It's a tough one.
well, you have to register with the local municipality if your in holland for more than 30 days, im sure that they give you a letter or something? plus, anyone from outside the EU would have to have a visa in their passport, it wouldn't be that hard. the only thing i think you would really need to pick is how much dutch you would have to speak.
@halfies: speaking Dutch is not a requirement as far as I'm concerned, but I still wonder. To me it makes sense that only Dutch citizens can participate in the Dutch StarCraft League, otherwise we might as well call it the StarCraft League. Being Dutch is about more than just living in The Netherlands, I guess...
@Deckkie: you should definitely try to get a team from the UvA together
Nope, the sign-ups won't open until somewhere in June. Seeing as how the tournament won't start until January (at the earliest) that seems to be fast enough. However, if I get much more of these request I might reconsider
That's a very good idea. I'll talk to people at WSquared and maybe the HCC (Holland Computer Club) wants to get involved. They might also have some experience with this.
This morning while watching the IEM-finals I realized that the players were sitting on stage, without any 'booths' or obscuring elements between them and the casters / audience. They relied on headphones to make sure that the players weren't listening to the cast. So why shouldn't we do that? That would make it a lot easier - we'd need only one camera to film casters, audience and players, plus: the audience would be able to see the players.
Does anyone know what kind of headphones are used for such purposes? I believe the players have in-ear earplugs for their gamesound, and are the large headphones simply sound-blockers like those used in construction?
No, at pro events they use ordinary (high class of course) headsets. Look at the GSL ones, they are not helicopter headsets, they even have the starcraft emblem :p But they're used to generate a lot of white noise. So then you have ear - game sounds - white noise - sound block from the headset - audience That should be enough for our tourney I believe?
So we buy decent regular headsets and hook them up to an MP3-player playing white noise? Quite a good idea (thanks GSL )! But I'm really curious as to whether the players are influenced by loud white noise (as opposed to no / less noise)...
Yeah we should test that :p At the real pro events they have another layer, as the players are seated in a soundproof booth as well. So, we should do a test I have a moderately decent headset, I'll see what happens when I try it at home
Gonna see if I can get a HvA ICT student team. I'm sure I could convince my classmates to start practicing for this. Good thing this tournament is next year. Haha.
Edit: I have a question -- Can multiple teams from the same Hogeschool enter? Are there any restrictions? Because I think there's a lot of people who play SC2 at HVA ICT. I don't think I'll be the only one constructing a team if people get wind of this.
@Chezus: good questions! That's exactly what this thread is for. What do you think would be a good way to accommodate teams? Should we restrict it to one team per university / school / company? I don't think that would be wise. Rather, I'd say that anyone can form a team and when multiple teams from the same university enroll we should just call them HVA1 & HVA2, for example. Do you agree? But then:
- How big can a team be? This will depend on the way they will compete in the tournament so: - How will teams compete? Should all players play each other (cumbersome) or do we take a GSL-like approach? - Can a player be in multiple teams?
@bblack: If you would test it, that would be great!
Allright, that was awesome, I felt like a pro :p Because I couldn't get 3 layers of sound producing equipment with only mini-jack cables I ended up using a far less soundproof headset than are used at real events. Even still, I did get the set-up as it should be: game sounds - white noise - real audio with vocals. Even with the inferior headset I wasn't able to make out what the guys on the speaker were saying. With a proper headset that should only get better. The only downside is that I could make out the difference between no sound, some sound, and a lot of sound. So if there was a crowd that would go all cheery because (like Idra) my opponent was going hydra nydus all in into my main on Shattered Temple, I (like MC) would certainly suspect something fishy was going on and (like the bosstoss) would scout my main, find the nydus and win the game.
So all in all, I think it should be enough, definitely the pro's outway the con's. But it is not entirely soundproof, although the finalists would never be able to make out what the casters are saying.
Great! I agree that the pro's would outweigh the con's. A roaring crowd could be interpreted to mean a lot of things, and in any case a player would really have to act fast.
Cant you make the team league open to any team? :D i already made a small team with decent players but the only thing that unites us is our passion for starcraft!
Yeah - I think it's a good idea to open the teamleague completely. Whilst enrolling a team you'll be able to specify whether you're from a school/university/company or just friends. No way we would turn your team down
On March 13 2012 19:28 Giku wrote: So you're gonna make a huge event from scratch and only in January?
Maybe start small, see the interest and begin in september, maybe even in April/May with an online tournament.
Did you even read anything lol? There will be a smaller tourny in Nijmegen, which will be 'practice' if you will for the nationwide tournament. Threads like these are meant to spread the word and gather interest for the 2013 tournament.
EDIT:
@VanCaspel: how do you want to spread the word across the different schools/universities? Like i stated before i study at the EUR and i've heard people talking about sc2 already. But how do i reach out to those students; i doubt they are TL users...Maybe some official posters? I'll try to figure out if I can promote this in Rotterdam.
@Giku: It does seem daunting, but remember: running an online tournament (which most of this is) is not that hard. We only need a properly functioning website, and obviously: participants. I think that there's enough time to arrange both before January.
Then there's the offline finals which take more effort, but currently they're over a year away (April 2013), so I think it's completely possible to be ready in time.
And also: we're doing a practise run with the NSSL currently
On March 13 2012 19:28 Giku wrote: So you're gonna make a huge event from scratch and only in January?
Maybe start small, see the interest and begin in september, maybe even in April/May with an online tournament.
Did you even read anything lol? There will be a smaller tourny in Nijmegen, which will be 'practice' if you will for the nationwide tournament. Threads like these are meant to spread the word and gather interest for the 2013 tournament.
People are more urged to join a Nijmegen event if they live there, therefor it's totally not comparable, that's what I mean There should be a nationwide-'test' before the main event.
@Giku: but what would a nationwide 'test' accomplish? Participants from other parts of The Netherlands don't handle differently from those from Nijmegen. In other words: how would a nationwide test not be a nationwide tournament like we're setting up?
On March 13 2012 19:28 Giku wrote: So you're gonna make a huge event from scratch and only in January?
Maybe start small, see the interest and begin in september, maybe even in April/May with an online tournament.
Did you even read anything lol? There will be a smaller tourny in Nijmegen, which will be 'practice' if you will for the nationwide tournament. Threads like these are meant to spread the word and gather interest for the 2013 tournament.
People are more urged to join a Nijmegen event if they live there, therefor it's totally not comparable, that's what I mean There should be a nationwide-'test' before the main event.
On March 13 2012 19:35 VanCaspel wrote: @Giku: It does seem daunting, but remember: running an online tournament (which most of this is) is not that hard. We only need a properly functioning website, and obviously: participants. I think that there's enough time to arrange both before January.
Then there's the offline finals which take more effort, but currently they're over a year away (April 2013), so I think it's completely possible to be ready in time.
And also: we're doing a practise run with the NSSL currently
@Paulio: thanks, ik was spuit 11
I know, that's what I mean: Start in September, that's 6 months from now, should be sufficient to get atleast a finals/finals bracket in a small venue with a few sponsors, doesn't have to be big, but it makes you notice the interest. Hell I don't study marketing or anything, so I wouldnt know for sure, just makes it more safe, then again, less epic if it does work out this way
On March 13 2012 19:28 Giku wrote: So you're gonna make a huge event from scratch and only in January?
Maybe start small, see the interest and begin in september, maybe even in April/May with an online tournament.
Did you even read anything lol? There will be a smaller tourny in Nijmegen, which will be 'practice' if you will for the nationwide tournament. Threads like these are meant to spread the word and gather interest for the 2013 tournament.
People are more urged to join a Nijmegen event if they live there, therefor it's totally not comparable, that's what I mean There should be a nationwide-'test' before the main event.
OK when you put it that way it sounds better haha. But like the Nijmegen one i think the bulk of the tournament wil be played online, with the top(insert number) players competing live in a venue. Not sure tho, VanCaspel might elaborate =)
On March 13 2012 19:37 VanCaspel wrote: @Giku: but what would a nationwide 'test' accomplish? Participants from other parts of The Netherlands don't handle differently from those from Nijmegen. In other words: how would a nationwide test not be a nationwide tournament like we're setting up?
What I meant is that the interest from locals is not representative for nationwide interest, meaning: People need to be urged to travel(=€) and spend (a) whole day(s)..
Yep: most of the tournament will be online, only the semi-finals and finals will be played live.
@Giku: thanks - you're right that we should be careful not to hype this up and then fail. But I do think that with careful preparation we can make the first edition all it needs to be. A smaller pre-edition might be something to consider though, maybe just as a test for the website (on which we'll put a system where players can upload replays and results). We'll have to see if there's time for that.
Edit: as far as travelling is concerned: again - the national edition will be mostly online. Only the last rounds of the bracket will be played at a live event, so there won't be a lot of travelling involved.
Getting enough dutchees to sign up shouldn't be a huge issue i'd guess. Especially since it's open to all skill levels and there is plenty of time to spread the word. That last part is gonna be crucial though.
Anyways awesome initiative, hope it's going to succeed!
On March 13 2012 19:43 VanCaspel wrote: Yep: most of the tournament will be online, only the semi-finals and finals will be played live.
@Giku: thanks - you're right that we should be careful not to hype this up and then fail. But I do think that with careful preparation we can make the first edition all it needs to be. A smaller pre-edition might be something to consider though, maybe just as a test for the website (on which we'll put a system where players can upload replays and results). We'll have to see if there's time for that.
Edit: as far as travelling is concerned: again - the national edition will be mostly online. Only the last rounds of the bracket will be played at a live event, so there won't be a lot of travelling involved.
I agree with the careful hyping, maybe an online-only tournament first to get an indication of the amount of players interested in Dutch tournaments?
EDIT: I used to play Halo3 a lot a couple of years ago and there was a small Dutch community that used a website called halo3forum.nl, maybe it's an idea to create a similar site for the Dutch SC2 community i.e. starcraft2forum.nl?
How to ensure that only Dutch citizens are participating?
When registering, make it so that you need to fill in your adress. Somebody then needs to make a program which searches through internet databases to see if that adress is in the Netherlands.
Edit: On second thought, this doesn't work. Somebody could just search for a dutch adress.
@Paulio: I think that if the NSSL live finals are successful (that is: if it draws an audience) it's safe to assume that the national edition will do the same. We'll have to wait and see what happens in Nijmegen.
And yes: I do plan to be professional about promotion. Depending on how much money we get, there might be facilities like sets of posters you can get to promote the tournament on your school/uni/company/whatever, and in any case there will be an official poster available for download and distribution.
Also: it would be great to have representatives from (for example) universities who actively try to get student's attention through newsletters, mailinglists, etc, and who try to set up teams for the team league
@Recognizable: Good idea! Of course it's easy to fill out a fake address, but we can't go asking for passport numbers or anything
Ah: and by the way! That would allow non-Dutch citizens living in The Netherlands to join the tournament. That's probably ok, but we'll have to think about it. What if, say, an Italian student who comes here for a semester enrolls with his Dutch address and wins the tournament? That would be a bit strange...
On March 13 2012 19:54 VanCaspel wrote: @Recognizable: Good idea! Of course it's easy to fill out a fake address, but we can't go asking for passport numbers or anything
Yeah, I guess we as a community should just be wary of non dutch players and report them so they can be disqualified.
On March 13 2012 19:52 VanCaspel wrote: @Paulio: I think that if the NSSL live finals are successful (that is: if it draws an audience) it's safe to assume that the national edition will do the same. We'll have to wait and see what happens in Nijmegen.
And yes: I do plan to be professional about promotion. Depending on how much money we get, there might be facilities like sets of posters you can get to promote the tournament on your school/uni/company/whatever, and in any case there will be an official poster available for download and distribution.
Also: it would be great to have representatives from (for example) universities who actively try to get student's attention through newsletters, mailinglists, etc, and who try to set up teams for the team league
Well actually i was born in Nijmegen and lived close to it before moving to Rotterdam. I go to my parents' place regularly in the weekends so you might see me at the live event in Nijmegen ^^
@Recognizable: what we're going to do in Nijmegen is ask those players who make it to the brackets to send in a copy of their 'registration card' of the university, so that we know that at least the top 16 will actually be RU or HAN-students. We could do something similar with the DSCL, where we ask those that get to, say, the round of 64, to send us a copy of their passport or otherwise prove their Dutchness
IF you could get the sponsorship for it, something like a "pimpest play" award would be a lot of fun to include in the online rounds, and maybe an even bigger one for the live rounds. Let people send in replays with a semi-detailed description of the pimp being played, let it be sorted by mods, and have people vote on the best 10 or something. Would create awesome video material, if casted obviously, which is great promotion material, which in turn is good for the sponsor. :D
@dreacomanm: we've got plans for a ´sickest comeback´-prize, 'pimpest play' might also be a really good one I'm not sure about sponsored prizes for that, but I think we could afford a fancy T-shirt or a GSL Season ticket. And yes: they'll definitely be out for voting!
@Pholon: sure - any team is welcome! You could start a TL-crew-team?
Sorry about crossposting, but this is relevant here as well (and too cool to keep quiet ). RotterdaM gave us a shoutout during his cast of the Lone Star Clash this weekend, and I've just put up a video about it. I Tweeted it to RotterdaM and got a response right away
He believes in us!
Edit: I've been in contact with some guys from WSquared, they have the ESL Benelux licence. They'd like it if we would use their system / website for the DSCL - that would allow us to use their extended system which allows for user profiles, upload of results & replays by users, and the creation and (self)management of teams. For us that would be great, we could even get a seperate 'portal' on their site, like - for example - this one.
However: I don't want that to be the main site for the tournament, I want to have more control over the lay-out and content etc. So there needs to be (preferably) some kind of integration of their site with ours, so that our 'online presence' isn't split up too much. Or maybe that's not such a bad thing?
What do you guys think about website-technicalities and the cooperation with ESL in general?
Im just rdy to own at any lan party or tournament in the Netherlands. Ever since i saw this post if been practicing so much. I have a streak of 93 wins in diamond. 110 wins - 1lose rdy to go master. btw does any1 know where to find more dutch lans or tournaments cuz im just up for anything with my razor black widow keyboard. btw thnx for keeping us posted on the tournament progress <3
Just a few months of hardcore training then ReaperStackS (5 rax reaper imba)
I'd agree that a mere portal on esl.eu wouldn't suffice, it's probably best to have our own main page somewhere completely within our control. However, partnering up with ESL seems great They have much more impact to offer than our own threads on here and stuff like that, and they have extremely useful partners (casters, technicians, etc). I feel like there would be ways to come to an agreement in which we'd still be using our own site for the main portal.
Time for a poll as to who can join the DSCL as a participant. Please think carefully about the options and what their consequences are. Ideas for other options are also most welcome.
Poll: Who should be able to participate in the Dutch StarCraft League?
Those with a Dutch passport AND those who live in The Netherlands (foreign students, etc.) (76)
56%
Anyone at all can join. 'Dutch' in DSCL refers to where the tournament is held, not who can join. (31)
23%
All and only those with a Dutch passport (19)
14%
Indiviual league: Dutch passport only. Team League: also those who live / work in The Netherlands (8)
6%
Other - specify in reply (2)
1%
136 total votes
Your vote: Who should be able to participate in the Dutch StarCraft League?
(Vote): All and only those with a Dutch passport (Vote): Those with a Dutch passport AND those who live in The Netherlands (foreign students, etc.) (Vote): Indiviual league: Dutch passport only. Team League: also those who live / work in The Netherlands (Vote): Anyone at all can join. 'Dutch' in DSCL refers to where the tournament is held, not who can join. (Vote): Other - specify in reply
Personally I think the best option is where you have to be a Dutch Citizen to join the individual league. To me it would be strange if a non-Dutch national won the Dutch StarCraft League. Say, for example, that an Italian exchange student who studies in The Netherlands for one year, enters and wins the tournament. We wouldn't even be able to congratulate him (or her ) in Dutch! This is not about excluding people, but somehow I feel that it would be odd if the Dutch StarCraft League was won by someone who isn't Dutch.
However, if teams from universities / companies in The Netherlands want to join in, I see no reason to exclude foreign players from those teams, as long as the majority of the team members is still from the Netherlands, or at least: as long as the company / university is situated in The Netherlands and the team members have a real connection with The Netherlands. This sounds a bit restrictive, but say a team consisting of 8 American Google-employees want to join the tournament (Google has a branche in The Netherlands, but they don't work there). Should they be allowed to join?
To those who are voting for the 'Those with a Dutch passport AND those who live in The Netherlands (foreign students, etc.)' option I would like to ask to elaborate in the topic as to why they chose it. Like a said, a consequence could very well be that someone who isn't Dutch wins the tournament. I'm not saying I'm necessarily opposed to that, but I'm curious to what you think.
Say, for example, that Feast joins Team Grubby and comes to live in Grubby's Team House (I know that's not going to happen, but it's just an example). Feast would then be eligible for participating in the tournament (and would probably win). What are your views on that?
On March 22 2012 22:43 VanCaspel wrote: To those who are voting for the 'Those with a Dutch passport AND those who live in The Netherlands (foreign students, etc.)' option I would like to ask to elaborate in the topic as to why they chose it. Like a said, a consequence could very well be that someone who isn't Dutch wins the tournament. I'm not saying I'm necessarily opposed to that, but I'm curious to what you think.
Say, for example, that Feast joins Team Grubby and comes to live in Grubby's Team House (I know that's not going to happen, but it's just an example). Feast would then be eligible for participating in the tournament (and would probably win). What are your views on that?
Good to hear. But still: there might be those who get eliminated by non-Dutch competitors. Wouldn't they complain that even though they joined the Dutch StarCraft League they got eliminated by someone who's not Dutch?
There are non-americans in the NA Star League and comparable situations exist in other events. So yeah, if a non-dutch citizen is studying in the Netherlands he or she should be able to participate. Also, asking for a passport would mean that we would exclude people under 16 (most of them don't have one) and refugees who sometimes have been in the NL for years but can't get a passport.
Great initiative, unfortunately only applicable for those studying in Nijmegen. It seems that the title "Dutch Starcraft League" was a bit misleading
It's too bad that people from other universities such as the University of Utrecht can't join, I know that there are quite a few people that would like to join, especially from the beta science departments.
On March 24 2012 03:23 peacenl wrote: Great initiative, unfortunately only applicable for those studying in Nijmegen. It seems that the title "Dutch Starcraft League" was a bit misleading
It's too bad that people from other universities such as the University of Utrecht can't join, I know that there are quite a few people that would like to join, especially from the beta science departments.
Nono, this tourney is definately open to all dutch students, read the OP again The currently running tournament is in Nijmegen and only for Nijmegen students (called the NSSL), but this thread is about the general Dutch format that will start coming January! So yeah, you can join the Dutch Starcraft League
On March 24 2012 03:23 peacenl wrote: Great initiative, unfortunately only applicable for those studying in Nijmegen. It seems that the title "Dutch Starcraft League" was a bit misleading
It's too bad that people from other universities such as the University of Utrecht can't join, I know that there are quite a few people that would like to join, especially from the beta science departments.
Nono, this tourney is definately open to all dutch students, read the OP again The currently running tournament is in Nijmegen and only for Nijmegen students (called the NSSL), but this thread is about the general Dutch format that will start coming January! So yeah, you can join the Dutch Starcraft League
Great! Let me know if I can spread any info on the campus (uithof: Utrecht University, UMC & Hogeschool Utrecht) here.
How about 1 for dutch players only and one held in holland available for anyone? The first one to get some experience hosting tournaments and the 2nd one a bit 'bigger' so to speak. Of course, if you enjoy organizing it.
I'm still torn on whether it should be a tournament FOR Dutch players, or BY Dutch players.
And I'm thinking there will be a beta-tournament in 2012, to test out all the systems on the website and to maybe hype up the DSCL some more. More details about this after the NSSL finals (June).
On March 24 2012 06:30 dracomanm wrote: How about putting it like this: To be eligible to enter the tournament, you have to:
Be a Dutch citizen OR Be born in the Netherlands OR Live here for at least a year(or X number of years)
That does seem reasonable. But even if we can get the perfectly fair rule, do we even need it? If someone like Feast wanted to join, should we really be trying to prevent that?
Well yeah - I think we should! StarCraft, being an indivial sport, is like speed skating. You wouldn't want a Belgian speed skater to win the Dutch speed skating championship? What sense is there in calling it 'Dutch' then?
However, in team sports - like football - there's teams who are from the Netherlands, but do not necessarily consist purely of Dutch players. That's different - the teams are still Dutch.
That's why I suggest to open the individual league to Dutch nationals only, while allowing foreigners living in The Netherlands to join teams in the team league. That way all the Dutch (also those living abroad) can join the tournament, and all those living in The Netherlands can also join the tournament, be it through the team league. And mainly: the champion of the individual league will be the best Dutch StarCraft player, which I think the Dutch StarCraft League is there to decide.
My point is really not to exclude anyone - that's not my goal here. However, I do believe that clearly demarcating what the DSCL is for will help us find a place between all the other tournaments, most of which anyone can enter.
First of all ty Caspel for setting something like this up! It's a great Idea and what I see from the NSSL untill now it ROX! to continue with the topic, I think it should be for dutchies, mainly because (from what I understand) this tournament is partly created to introduce the esports scene in The Netherlands, so it'll better IMO to give a good reflection of how big Sc2 actually is in this lil'country without a chunk of foreigners..... @ least for the first year that is, I think that moving it from the NSSL to national is a big step itself allrdy.
If you make ppl send a small interview on webcam for their participation, you still will have some who are not dutchies, but @ least you can narrow some down.
furthermore you can expect loads more of ppl joining next year so in that case maybe it is a idea to split up players in groups determent by their league lvl, for example: players from bronze-gold en other group plat-masters. after that you can combine the winners ith each other in the RO64 or something like that. This will prevent that lower lvl players will hesitate to join because they might get annihilated by some Nerd like me >:D
Cheers!
p.s: send me some replays from NSSL allrdy! Can't wait <3
@RmF - thanks for the cheers & your tips. As you can imagine, I agree with on the issue of who can participate. I don't think we should ask people to send in a short video however, I think that might scare more people off than the idea that they might face a high level player in their group.
I'm also not sure if we can split the groups into levels. There's no way to really check in advance if people specify which league they are in accurately, and in the end all the low-level players will be eliminated anyway. Maybe we can make some kind of losers-group after the first group round...
Replays for you to cast are on the way
On a related note: I've played my first matches in the NSSL today! I was super nervous In the first match I went down 0-2 against a diamond level zerg, but in the second match I managed to win 2-0 against another zerg, who hadn't been playing since the beta...
Im 15 year (though im masters terran) And member of www.atgaming.nl maybe i can inform them for you though only the sc2 team also gots foreingers. But Its sounds awesome. I only hope thats its no problem im 15 and do vmbo-tl
I would recommend that for the first DSL, only people who live in the netherlands are allowed to join. That includes foreign people/students who are currently living in the netherlands. Then if the DSL gets more popular not only in the netherlands, but also in other countries you could allow people to join who don't live in the netherlands.
@Ferdie: thanks for the recommendation. But can you explain your thoughts behind it?
I for one don't know why we'd want to extend the DSCL to other countries in the future. It's the Dutch StarCraft League, after all! Sure, maybe it could become part of something bigger - but again: my intention is to create a platform for all the Dutch to compete, and for the winner to be able to say that he is the best Dutch SC player. Not allowing Dutch people who live abroad to join, and on the other hand allowing foreigners living in The Netherlands to join, is not in line with these intentions.
@ThumZz: if you want to spread the word at atgaming, please do! You're all welcome to come watch the live finals, and of course if you want you can enter the team competition next year. You can also enter the tournament individually, age and education will not present barriers in the slightest.
Well I guess if your intention for this tournament is to find out, who is the ''best'' Dutch SC2 players. Then I suppose I would agree not expanding to other countries. And also not allowing foreigners to join the tournament, unless they have a dutch passport.
I actually thought your intentions were similar to NASL, where you don't have to be north American to participate and everyone can participate. I feel like this tournament will definitely turn out great, but I also think that it could be awesome. Currently I only know of two good dutch sc2 players, which are ret and grubby. And too be honest grubby isn't that good if you compare him to other high skilled sc2 players (non-koreans included). The reason why I thought we could expand this tournament in the future is so we could attract more high skilled players and make this tournament even greater then it already would have been. But then again this is just how I feel, and you should definitely do how you want to do it.
@Ferdie: thanks for sharing your thoughts! The option of opening the tournament to everyone is indeed something to consider, but perhaps that's something for the future. If the first edition is a success, we could very well think about expanding internationally
you should hold it in a big city so people who don't know a f*ck about sc2 also get known to it like in the centrum of a city so people like pass by and take a look and stay
@ThumZz: awesome idea! My intention is to get the word out and explicitly work on growing the e-sports fanbase. So yeah: centrality of location for the finals is one of the things we will be looking for. Let the bid-books come
A big movie theater would be nice. Have the booths below the big screen and the casters in between, that way the fans have a huge screen (with a high res professional projector) to watch the games and there's no need to rent, move and set up expensive and often complex equipment.
@Raven283: You're right that getting a room with A/V pre-installed would be awesome, but I'm not sure that there would be enough space to set up the players & casters in front of a movie theater room. Also: we'd like them to be on the podium, so everyone can see them, but in a theater that would mean they'd be sitting in front of the screen...
@VanCaspel: As a cinema enthousiast I've actually seen alot of movie theaters with quite big podia that have plenty of height clearance for setting up booths below the screen. I also know that Gamekings.tv organises game preview events in movie theaters and that seems to work well.
@VanCaspel Try to contact "Pimmeh" he is the organizer of the Dutch barcrafts. He has great contacts with "Winkel Van Sinkel" which is right in the centrum of Utrecht. The barcrafts have all attracted 200+ attendees so the location is a bit know in the SC scene. For the barcraft he only reserved a small part of the compound, the Winkel Van Sinkel can ectually hold up to 1400 visitors. Pimmeh also has some conections with possible sponsers who, i think are always intrested to sponsor a new E-Sports event.
On May 08 2012 19:41 VanCaspel wrote: @Fetch1: Will do! I'm a member of the BarCraft-group on Facebook and will try to contact Pimmeh. Thanks for the tip!
I work in a cinema and my boss is all up for stuff to bring people in (Might cost you, especially at evenings, but still) Problem is, it's in Northern netherlands, so it isn't the ideal location.
PM me if you're interested though, as I don't read this thread daily
I dig the eventual choice of Winkel Van Sinkel, the venue is very nice (and 2 minutes from where I live ), and Utrecht seems a reasonable place to hold the event (well linked with trains, and roughly in the middle of the Netherlands).
Hi, from my foreigner opinion, you guys really shouldn't allow non dutch people to praticipate (although, maybe allow foreigners who actually live in the Netherlands). The main reason is that it will be better for pretty much everyone if it isn't, there's already an oversaturation of global, high-level tournemants, and for those who want to focus on the EU scene there's a lot of Go4SC2s and so on. If the tournemant would be for Dutch people only, maybe the game's level won't be as high as they could've been, but it doesn't even matter, most people who don't watch starcraft would not be able to understand that, not only that, but having mainly dutch people would allow more people to be involved emotionally, and will have a higher chance of attracting more Dutch people into the scene, which is great both for the Dutch scene in itself and for the global scene too
@RageBot: thank you for your input. I completely agree and will update the topic-start to reflect this position in the near future (right after some urgent real-life stuff ).
@Kbafewx: Cool! If you want to help send me an e-mail at contact@nssl.nl. I'll get in touch with you once things get rolling at which point you'll be able to decide if and how you want to help.
@heliosmaster: thanks for the input. I'm not sure if Winkel Van Sinkel is right for us though, I'm thinking more of a big auditorium. Preferably somewhere with 100/100Mbit internet
@Giku: We'll have to look into the option of cinema's. Usually they don't have much room for the casters and players to sit near the front, nor to they usually have a bad-ass internet connection. And you're also right that Groningen is a bit out of the way for most of the Dutch... But thanks for your offer anyway!
@heliosmaster: thanks for the input. I'm not sure if Winkel Van Sinkel is right for us though, I'm thinking more of a big auditorium. Preferably somewhere with 100/100Mbit internet
WvS is an awesome place, but I also doubt it'll have enough space unless you can get their main area. The Barcrafts took place in one of the upstairs areas, where you could comfortably fit 200 people. But the area is split into 3 parts that, although they are connected, do split up the audience a bit. If the NSSL audience is any indication, with a peak of 90 people there or so, we'll need more at least 200 spots for audience for a Dutch league. As well as a place for the players and casters. A university lecture room is a good choice. Alternatively, a room / hall in a conference venue, but that would be more expensive.
@Miserie: If you're a Dutch national you can join in, wherever you live. If you want to help out in any way (promotion, admin, etc.) send me an e-mail at contact@nssl.nl!
Also: as of today I can confirm that Cooler Master / CM Storm will be involved as a sponsor for the DSCL! Hurray!
We're also making serious progress concerning the tournament format / rules / planning / etc. You're all invited to join the bèta tournament in september through november, and at the end of november we'll start going all-out promoting the DSCL, which will start in January 2013. Details to follow soon!
We need your help! That is: if you're Dutch or live in The Netherlands. Why?
We're looking for a venue for the live finals! What does our venue need:
- A big room (400-500 people) for the main stage. Preferably with 'theater' seats and beamer / audio pre-installed. Large lecture hall would be ideal, for example. - A smaller room (~200 people) for the secondary stream/cast. - A place for the players to play. Can be a separate room or in a corridor somewhere, but must not be too drafty - Fast internet connection - Central location / easy access with public transportation
You get bonus points for the following: - Not expensive - Bar in-house (that way we don't have to arrange for catering) - Good (cheap) parking facilities nearby
Please help us out, we currently do not have people from most major cities in The Netherlands who could help us find these locations. Google helps us find expensive convention centers, but they usually have small rooms, or no beamers, or no bar....
And we're BACK! After our sudden exposure on national television earlier this month, the DSCL has really sped up. The website is now live and contains the most crucial information. Please check it out!
Currently we're looking for a number of volunteers: 1) Two members for the 'executive team' (i.e. 'bestuur'): Head Marketing & Chief Editor Website. 2) Casters - application details are on the website 3) People who want to help with graphics / adminning / promotion / general
If you want to help in any way, send me an e-mail at contact@dutchstarcraftleague.nl.
I've just posted info on our very first qualifier! This kick-off event will be offline at the HCC!lan party during the christmas holidays. I'll definitely be there, and hope to see many of you.
For those interested: contrary to our regular qualifiers this one will have prizes. €400 for the #1, hardware for #'s 2 & 3
I've just arrived at DreamHack! Will be trying to get short interviews with Dutch players and ask them about e-sports in the Netherlands. If anyone here has questions you want me to ask them, just let me know!
I'll be posting results from Dutch players on our Twitter as soon as I get them.
This is going to be EPIC , I hope I somehow manage to qualifie for the offline finals though that will be really hard :p but I am pretty sure regardless of that I win or lose, I should come to the live event
Really looking forward to this event, might be a breakout for some players even! :D I'm not that great yet and practicing hard to stand even a small chance in the qualifiers, but of course just the experience is worth it. =) Great job on setting this up!
I really like the point idea, since I am not sure engough about my skills to get top 2, but I am sure I should be able to make decent results overall :D
I'm going to put some posters at the Radboud University and possibly HAN in Nijmegen next week. Anyone here wants to help me?
Nowadays I work at the Open University (at the study center in Nijmegen), but I'm pretty sure that I'm not going to get 5 people for a team there - not really any gamers there
Also: start-post updated somewhat. More updates to come in the near future.
First of all, admissions are now open to international players as well. Only requirement is that you have to come to our finals event in the Netherlands if you make it that far of course.
Secondly, the prize pool was just announced: 1st: €400 2nd: €200 3rd: €150 4th: €100 5th & 6th: €50 7th & 8th: €25
And finally, we're giving away HotS beta keys! All you have to do is hop on Twitter or Facebook, follow the Dutch Starcraft League and retweet and/or share our promotional post/tweet.
If you do both, you double your chances. This promotion runs until 21-12 20:00 CET after which the winners will be drawn randomly (provided the world hasn't ended).
On December 20 2012 23:04 Rannasha wrote: Some new developments with the DSCL!
First of all, admissions are now open to international players as well. Only requirement is that you have to come to our finals event in the Netherlands if you make it that far of course.
Secondly, the prize pool was just announced: 1st: €400 2nd: €200 3rd: €150 4th: €100 5th & 6th: €50 7th & 8th: €25
And finally, we're giving away HotS beta keys! All you have to do is hop on Twitter or Facebook, follow the Dutch Starcraft League and retweet and/or share our promotional post/tweet.
If you do both, you double your chances. This promotion runs until 21-12 20:00 CET after which the winners will be drawn randomly (provided the world hasn't ended).
On December 08 2012 23:40 VanCaspel wrote: It will be 100% WoL. Perhaps some side-thingy with HotS, but with a release right between our qualifiers and tournament, we're not going to switch.
In this thread it says: ''Switching to HotS after the qualifiers''. And on the website it says: ''The qualifiers will all be played in Wings of Liberty, but for the main tournament we will switch to Heart of the Swarm.'' So what is it? Is it 100% WoL or till the main tournament WoL?
On December 08 2012 23:40 VanCaspel wrote: It will be 100% WoL. Perhaps some side-thingy with HotS, but with a release right between our qualifiers and tournament, we're not going to switch.
In this thread it says: ''Switching to HotS after the qualifiers''. And on the website it says: ''The qualifiers will all be played in Wings of Liberty, but for the main tournament we will switch to Heart of the Swarm.'' So what is it? Is it 100% WoL or till the main tournament WoL?
The website is right! After the HotS launch date was released and after some very useful input we've decided to switch to HotS after the qualifiers.
On January 05 2013 11:12 Drorctopus wrote: mensen van Avans breda die hier aan mee doen?
Eventho it's a dutch thread, TL is still an english website. I study at Avans Breda and I might be interested in playing if others join aswell.
You guys should make an Avans Team for the Team League . If you need some posters and stickers to put around the campus to get more people you can order them through our website. The posters and stickers are free by the way, all you pay for is (part of) the shipping costs (we can't pay for that unfortunately). But it's only €5 and it helps you reach fellow students who might be interested in joining up!
We've just announced tomorrow's casters: Jonathon ‘Wardí’ Ward and Patrik ‘BelleNOiR’ Bauman (both from SCV Rush) will be casting the very first qualifier!
On July 14 2012 20:43 VanCaspel wrote: We need your help! That is: if you're Dutch or live in The Netherlands. Why?
We're looking for a venue for the live finals! What does our venue need:
- A big room (400-500 people) for the main stage. Preferably with 'theater' seats and beamer / audio pre-installed. Large lecture hall would be ideal, for example. - A smaller room (~200 people) for the secondary stream/cast. - A place for the players to play. Can be a separate room or in a corridor somewhere, but must not be too drafty - Fast internet connection - Central location / easy access with public transportation
You get bonus points for the following: - Not expensive - Bar in-house (that way we don't have to arrange for catering) - Good (cheap) parking facilities nearby
Please help us out, we currently do not have people from most major cities in The Netherlands who could help us find these locations. Google helps us find expensive convention centers, but they usually have small rooms, or no beamers, or no bar....
What your describing is an cinema Just call a couple, as long that they can keep the profit from the drinks and food, they will be happy to help i'm sure! Example :
http://www.euroscoop.nl/nl/tilburg/ €1,-- parking beneath the cinema Inhouse facilities, seats, screen allready there and it's clean (important).
On July 14 2012 20:43 VanCaspel wrote: We need your help! That is: if you're Dutch or live in The Netherlands. Why?
We're looking for a venue for the live finals! What does our venue need:
- A big room (400-500 people) for the main stage. Preferably with 'theater' seats and beamer / audio pre-installed. Large lecture hall would be ideal, for example. - A smaller room (~200 people) for the secondary stream/cast. - A place for the players to play. Can be a separate room or in a corridor somewhere, but must not be too drafty - Fast internet connection - Central location / easy access with public transportation
You get bonus points for the following: - Not expensive - Bar in-house (that way we don't have to arrange for catering) - Good (cheap) parking facilities nearby
Please help us out, we currently do not have people from most major cities in The Netherlands who could help us find these locations. Google helps us find expensive convention centers, but they usually have small rooms, or no beamers, or no bar....
What your describing is an cinema Just call a couple, as long that they can keep the profit from the drinks and food, they will be happy to help i'm sure! Example :
http://www.euroscoop.nl/nl/tilburg/ €1,-- parking beneath the cinema Inhouse facilities, seats, screen allready there and it's clean (important).
The post you responded to is half a year old. In the meantime we've found a nice venue (details to be announced) for our finals event (1st of june). In fact, the online part of the tournament starts tomorrow already with the first qualifier.
On January 05 2013 11:12 Drorctopus wrote: mensen van Avans breda die hier aan mee doen?
Eventho it's a dutch thread, TL is still an english website. I study at Avans Breda and I might be interested in playing if others join aswell.
I study at Avans Breda (Communication and Multimedia Design) and if you are making a team, if you can use something like a Silver/Gold player, count me in. Maybe if I train hard I could be plat before Team League starts...
Why the **** you let russians play the qualifier? As if they will come to holland for an offline finale for 200€... This is just bull**** . What are you going to do when only russian/swedish players qualify?
Don't worry, we've spoken to the non-Benelux contestants and they were aware of the nature of the tournament. There was supposedly a Russian playing, but although he was born there he lives in Germany and plays for a German team. He also knew about the offline finals.
Please respect that the tournament is open, and be welcoming to any foreigners who sign up. If you have doubts about whether a foreign player is serious about competing in the league, simply contact an admin.
Gratz for the first qualifier, was really fun, even if all competitioners from Aachen where eliminated quite quickly! See you in next qualifier, keep up the really good work!
Third qualifier tonight! Still lots of room available - join up . Tonight's casters are SCV Rush Jack Tancey and Kyle 'DonHoratio' Elliott - promises to be good!
Today's prize for the winner is a rare StarCraft puzzle, and casting will be done by SCVRush.com's GejmaBobs and Yahweh. And we've received word that a certain 'Grubby' will be playing today - so should be some exciting games
On February 24 2013 19:33 VanCaspel wrote: 10th qualifier starts in 2,5 hours! Confirmations go live at 13:30h, and there's still lots of room - so go sign up!
Today's prize for the winner is a rare StarCraft puzzle, and casting will be done by SCVRush.com's GejmaBobs and Yahweh. And we've received word that a certain 'Grubby' will be playing today - so should be some exciting games
Find it kind of annoying that I'm one of the one players in the first round in a pool of 70 players (128 spots), where I get faced against a 1500pt Zerg Master who's already qualified. Had this three times now. Ugh
On February 24 2013 23:59 Thalandros wrote: Find it kind of annoying that I'm one of the one players in the first round in a pool of 70 players (128 spots), where I get faced against a 1500pt Zerg Master who's already qualified. Had this three times now. Ugh
Already qualified? Have you reported that to an admin?
@Thalandros: that's really unfortunate! But did you mean that the players you faced already had a direct seed? In that case they aren't allowed to participate, but I don't think that has happened. Some players already have so many points that they will qualify for sure, but they still play because they're trying to get a direct seed as well
Still - it's unfortunate if you meet them often in the brackets.
And by the way guys! We've just added Harstem & PoYo to our badass list of High Ambassadors, go check it out. And please, if you want to help e-sports / StarCraft in the Netherlands, see this page for easy ways in which you can help the Dutch StarCraft League.
We'll be having weekly broadcasts of games from the Individual League on Thursdays at 20:00h CET, and games from the Team League on Sundays from 14:00h CET. Tune in
List of qualified players is here, participating teams are here.
Edit: forgot to tell you about the teaser trailer for the finals: definitely check it out!
First broadcast of games from the Individual League is tonight at 20:00h CET! There will be a giveaway of a HotS Digital Deluxe Edition during the stream, and the games & casters will be awesome. So tune in
Aaaaaand: we're live once again! Every week we have broadcast of the Individual League on Thursdays, and on Sundays (right now) of the Individual Leage: http://www.twitch.tv/dscleague
If anyone wants to help out with setting everything up for the finals event on May 31st, send an e-mail to event@dutchstarcraftleague.nl, we could still use a lot of help.
Hurrah! Another broadcast tonight And not just any broadcast: we've some awesome games featuring RainMan, Daax, Harstem, DaBoO, Owl, Melle, Ret, Patjuh, WonnaPlay and Sjaak!
During the stream we'll give away a ticket for the finals, hope to meet you there! Still working very hard to make at all perfect, and any help is still appreciated. If you're available on May 31st or on June 1st from 23:00h until early morning on June 2nd and want to help let us know at event@dutchstarcraftleague.nl.
We're finally getting to it: tonight the first four finalists will be decided! At 20:00h CET there will be a broadcast of the Winner Bracket finals, the winners of which advance to their respective brackets' grand finals and thereby qualify for the offline finals on June 1st!
Tune in at 20u - Madals & greedyFarmer will be casting
Also: give-away of a seat reservation for the finals during the stream!
Second and last batch of finalists will be decided TONIGHT at 20h CET! These are the match-ups:
LiquidRet vs. Storm KSǂRainMan vs. mCon.Darkomicron FnaticHarstem vs. LLL.uThermal mCon.PoYo vs. LLL.Jona
Winners of those games join Melle, Grubby, ThisGameSuck and Sjaak in qualifying for the offline finals on June 1st in The Hague. Stream is at http://www.twitch.tv/dscleague!
Hey guys, really like what you're doing, seems like a nice tournament and (for NL) good production quality. Wish I could have been there today, but as it's in the middle of the day it's a bit difficult (
-Finals during GSL and SSL finals? Are you crazy? -Can hear people in the background talking. -Couldn't find the brackets. You said somewhere in this thread Grubby and Ret would be playing, so show them off!
If you broadcast after GSL/SSL and advertise Ret and Grubby, you'd get a LOT more viewers and exposure for Dutch SC2.
This should get some more hype! The stream is a lot of fun, casting is pretty decent and production value. Check the stream, it's featured on the right -------->
Currently we have the LB Finals left (Harstem vs ThisGameSuck), soon to start on the second stream (twitch.tv/dutchstarcraftleague2). The winner goes up against Ret in the grand finals.
On the main stream we have the finals of the Team League soon with LowLandLions versus Knights*Gaming.
Congrats on a great event! Unfortunately I had to miss the finals, but from what I saw, the atmosphere was great, and you also got the nice audience you wanted
Very nice to see these sort of national leagues all round Europe..the Netherlands, France, Germany, Spain, Poland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway; they fill up the void left by the WCS Nationals, helping lesser known players make their mark, and also attract non fans to the game.
Congrats to Harstem, nice to see him finally win a tournament. Feel bad for Ret though.
However, in my opinion, 20 weeks is a bit too long for a tournament of this size, makes it too slow to follow sometimes, at least in my opinion.
Couldn't watch most of it but from the bits and pieces i saw and the finals VODS it looked really awesome! Great job everyone and especially van Caspel!
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Gl with organising this, hope it'll be a fun and recurring league!
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