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Phemtos
Canada163 Posts
He went 2-2 in a group with MVP,DRG and MC... | ||
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emraaa
Germany505 Posts
he was atleast on the same lvl and could easily compete | ||
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FantaFanta
Germany225 Posts
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EdSlyB
Portugal1621 Posts
Sorry about the bad joke =P In grubby's defense, Stephano is in top form so it's not easy for anyone to beat him. Well GG. | ||
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Apom
France656 Posts
On February 19 2012 05:56 FantaFanta wrote: je vais aller gagner or so^^ ? I will win? You got that right  | ||
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Gatored
United States679 Posts
On February 19 2012 05:51 SiroKO wrote: I don't know how Protoss are supposed to counter that. To say the truth, I don't think they can. Perfect injects from zerg is very hard to cope with because they have so many more units in the midgame. I've watched Stephano's stream and his injects are near perfect throughout the whole game. | ||
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FantaFanta
Germany225 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On February 19 2012 05:51 Tarotis wrote: Against whom if I may ask you? MMA in an online qualifier? Some Code A or Code B players outside of korea? GSL is different than any other tournament. He beat DRG and Hero in the Blizzard Cup.... only barely losing to MC and MVP. Koreans should be afraid of him, once he gets rolling he could turn around 10 years of Korean RTS dominance I don't think any of the top Koreans are eager to face him, they have a lot invested in being considered the best in the world, and Stephano could undo all that pretty quickly once he gets on a roll. He's a steamroller in EU/NA... and if he gets in that zone in Korea..... well the forums here would get pretty ugly. He is a huge threat to BW and KR superiority. What would TL think if a French WC3 player is really the best in the world? | ||
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
Well Stephano proved my point. Besides, he trained his ZvP a LOT lately, he has a 10 to 20 : 1 ratio against Mana and Bling who are excellent protoss as well, so it's not really a surprise he is 14 : 1 against Grubby. On February 19 2012 05:59 dsousa wrote: He beat DRG and Hero in the Blizzard Cup.... only barely losing to MC and MVP. Koreans should be afraid of him, once he get rolling he could turn around 10 years of Korean RTS dominance I don't think any of the top Koreans are eager to face him, they have a lot invested in being considered the best in the world, and Stephano could undo all that pretty quickly once he gets on a roll. He's a steamroller in EU/NA... and if he gets in that zone in Korea..... well the forums here would get pretty ugly. He is a huge threat to BW and KR superiority. Don't get over your head please...he is still not as good as the very best koreans...his ZvP is world class, but lately his ZvZ and ZvT, while still good, have shown some lack of consistency, dropping games or series here and there vs players considered not as good as him. | ||
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
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Ippo
708 Posts
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warzag
France259 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On February 19 2012 05:46 Tarotis wrote: We CAN call Stephano a top 2 foreign Zerg I guess, but not more. He still has to prove himself in GSl against the koreans yet, where every single other foreigner before him fell. The difference between him and the other foreigners is that he just doesnt make mistakes. So do all the koreans, but the thing is, some koreans play genius + flawless, and thats whats called a GSl champion. that's some very concentrated sort of bullshit. 1. he doesnt have to prove himself in GSL, he played against Koreans, GSL is the biggest tournament, so if he wants to be called the best progamer ever than maybe ye, he should go and win some, but he doesnt give a flying crap about how people rank him. 2. he makes mistakes 3. no koreans make mistakes??, wtf, idont even.... 4. idk why 'd u call some Koreans geniouses, foreigners are as creative as Koreans, what "geniousness" koreans have is figuring out really optimized buildorders and timings among their training cliques. 5. They aren't playing flawless, tons of mistakes and hiccups happen in every single GSL game, get back to Earth please, Koreans are not Gods who came down form heaven to show how starcraft is played. Yes they are better than anyone else in general, end of story | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
He doesn't really have a weakness. Lots of strategies, excellent macro, excellent micro, awesome positioning and engagements, great game sense, and a grasp of timing that few foreigners have. The one thing about him that prevents him from winning everything is that he seems to be inconsistent from tournament to tournament. Sometimes he shows his best and sometimes he doesn't, but if he doesn't, its not a per-game thing but a per-tournament thing. Not sure why. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On February 19 2012 05:55 Eshra wrote: Yes, and that's pretty stupid. But whatever, even if he beats koreans outside of Korea, y'all keep telling that's just irrelevant as long as that's not in GSL. GSL is a tournament where you can prepare for your opponent litteraly perfectly. Foreign tournaments require some quick adaptation since you chain matches. I'm getting more and more bored with the GSL. winning a GSL is still the pinnacle of sc2, stephano has the skill to win one if he stayed in korea for a few months or longer but for a young kid with a lot of money and easier ways to make money it isn't efficient or fun for him to be korea for a long period of time, which is a shame because he is the only foreigner who could win one atm | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On February 19 2012 06:00 Ylrahc wrote: Well Stephano proved my point. Besides, he trained his ZvP a LOT lately, he has a 10 to 20 : 1 ratio against Mana and Bling who are excellent protoss as well, so it's not really a surprise he is 14 : 1 against Grubby. Don't get over your head please...he is still not as good as the very best koreans...his ZvP is world class, but lately his ZvZ and ZvT, while still good, have shown some lack of consistency, dropping games or series here and there vs players considered not as good as him. Your looking at it too granularity..... he's a WINNER.... he finds ways to WIN and to dominate. On a big stage, in big events that counts for a lot. Some competitors just have that "intangible" ability to win.... Stephano has it without question... and he's a threat to the best in the world. | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On February 19 2012 06:01 Geo.Rion wrote: that's some very concentrated sort of bullshit. 1. he doesnt have to prove himself in GSL, he played against Koreans, GSL is the biggest tournament, so if he wants to be called the best progamer ever than maybe ye, he should go and win some, but he doesnt give a flying crap about how people rank him. 2. he makes mistakes 3. no koreans make mistakes??, wtf, idont even.... 4. idk why 'd u call some Koreans geniouses, foreigners are as creative as Koreans, what "geniousness" koreans have is figuring out really optimized buildorders and timings among their training cliques. 5. They aren't playing flawless, tons of mistakes and hiccups happen in every single GSL game, get back to Earth please, Koreans are not Gods who came down form heaven to show how starcraft is played. Yes they are better than anyone else in general, end of story Just ignore people that have this "loser" mindset. Unfortunately there are several top foreign players that think the same: winning a map in a bo3 vs a korean is a good result for them. That's not how you approach the match ... | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On February 19 2012 06:04 Azarkon wrote: I feel like Stephano is a Code S level Zerg. Not going to bother arguing about whether he'd be able to reach Code S if he goes to the GSL (because there's a lot more barriers to success in the GSL than just your skill), but it's what I think watching the way he plays. He doesn't really have a weakness. Lots of strategies, excellent macro, excellent micro, awesome positioning and engagements, great game sense, and a grasp of timing that few foreigners have. The one thing about him that prevents him from winning everything is that he seems to be inconsistent from tournament to tournament. Sometimes he shows his best and sometimes he doesn't, but if he doesn't, its not a per-game thing but a per-tournament thing. Not sure why. I think he will do really well in the next big events vs top koreans. Last year people just learned his style and they were able to blind counter his builds (Mvp on Shakuras is a good example). | ||
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bananafever
Austria348 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On February 19 2012 06:04 mememolly wrote: winning a GSL is still the pinnacle of sc2, stephano has the skill to win one if he stayed in korea for a few months or longer but for a young kid with a lot of money and easier ways to make money it isn't efficient or fun for him to be korea for a long period of time, which is a shame because he is the only foreigner who could win one atm Hmm, kind of reminds me of that conversation between Achillies and his mother at the beginning of Troy. If he doesn't go to the GSL, he will see a lot of success in EU/NA, and after he's gone his fans will remember him. But as the years pass and SC 2 changes, little by little his fame will fade away, until in the end no one remembers his name. If he goes to the GSL, he may lose everything and retire in disrepute. But if he should win it, if he should win the GSL, then his name will echo in eternity. | ||
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