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May i remember to the ppl that stephano was among the 3 best zerg in the KR ladder in terms of ratio/points all this period ? NO FOREIGNER did that ! So it's just ladder but it might whos something ^^
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illsick
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stephano is top foreigner for sure
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On February 19 2012 06:12 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 06:04 mememolly wrote:On February 19 2012 05:55 Eshra wrote:On February 19 2012 05:51 Tarotis wrote:On February 19 2012 05:49 Eshra wrote:On February 19 2012 05:46 Tarotis wrote:
We CAN call Stephano a top 2 foreign Zerg I guess, but not more. He still has to prove himself in GSl against the koreans yet, where every single other foreigner before him fell. The difference between him and the other foreigners is that he just doesnt make mistakes. So do all the koreans, but the thing is, some koreans play genius + flawless, and thats whats called a GSl champion. He has already played versus koreans. That's really annoying to have to " prove yourself in GSL ". Against whom if I may ask you? MMA in an online qualifier? Some Code A or Code B players outside of korea? GSL is different than any other tournament. Yes, and that's pretty stupid. But whatever, even if he beats koreans outside of Korea, y'all keep telling that's just irrelevant as long as that's not in GSL. GSL is a tournament where you can prepare for your opponent litteraly perfectly. Foreign tournaments require some quick adaptation since you chain matches. I'm getting more and more bored with the GSL. winning a GSL is still the pinnacle of sc2, stephano has the skill to win one if he stayed in korea for a few months or longer but for a young kid with a lot of money and easier ways to make money it isn't efficient or fun for him to be korea for a long period of time, which is a shame because he is the only foreigner who could win one atm Hmm, kind of reminds me of that conversation between Achillies and his mother at the beginning of Troy. If he doesn't go to the GSL, he will see a lot of success in EU/NA, and after he's gone his fans will remember him. But as the years pass and SC 2 changes, little by little his fame will fade away, until in the end no one remembers his name. If he goes to the GSL, he may lose everything and retire in disrepute. But if he should win it, if he should win the GSL, then his name will echo in eternity.
And Stephano doesn't give a damn about that. He is more interested in making money (and enjoying life) in a short timespan. This is why his decision not to do GSL and win EU / NA tournaments left and right seems logical :p
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On February 19 2012 06:12 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 06:04 mememolly wrote:On February 19 2012 05:55 Eshra wrote:On February 19 2012 05:51 Tarotis wrote:On February 19 2012 05:49 Eshra wrote:On February 19 2012 05:46 Tarotis wrote:
We CAN call Stephano a top 2 foreign Zerg I guess, but not more. He still has to prove himself in GSl against the koreans yet, where every single other foreigner before him fell. The difference between him and the other foreigners is that he just doesnt make mistakes. So do all the koreans, but the thing is, some koreans play genius + flawless, and thats whats called a GSl champion. He has already played versus koreans. That's really annoying to have to " prove yourself in GSL ". Against whom if I may ask you? MMA in an online qualifier? Some Code A or Code B players outside of korea? GSL is different than any other tournament. Yes, and that's pretty stupid. But whatever, even if he beats koreans outside of Korea, y'all keep telling that's just irrelevant as long as that's not in GSL. GSL is a tournament where you can prepare for your opponent litteraly perfectly. Foreign tournaments require some quick adaptation since you chain matches. I'm getting more and more bored with the GSL. winning a GSL is still the pinnacle of sc2, stephano has the skill to win one if he stayed in korea for a few months or longer but for a young kid with a lot of money and easier ways to make money it isn't efficient or fun for him to be korea for a long period of time, which is a shame because he is the only foreigner who could win one atm Hmm, kind of reminds me of that conversation between Achillies and his mother at the beginning of Troy. If he doesn't go to the GSL, he will see a lot of success in EU/NA, and after he's gone his fans will remember him. But as the years pass and SC 2 changes, little by little his fame will fade away, until in the end no one remembers his name. If he goes to the GSL, he may lose everything and retire in disrepute. But if he should win it, if he should win the GSL, then his name will echo in eternity.
Haha this!! But yeah imo GSL is just not worth it atm, he's making more money than almost any korean that is not top 4. And the chance that he wont get far from the getgo is too big, as even MVP and MMA are struggling now to get top 4 in the GSL.
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Stephano has picked up more than $8000 in prize money in 2012, which is only about 6 weeks. You can see why it is worthwhile him staying in Europe. He'd have won more too if he had not pulled out of the ONOG Final.
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On February 19 2012 06:23 massivez wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 06:12 Azarkon wrote:On February 19 2012 06:04 mememolly wrote:On February 19 2012 05:55 Eshra wrote:On February 19 2012 05:51 Tarotis wrote:On February 19 2012 05:49 Eshra wrote:On February 19 2012 05:46 Tarotis wrote:
We CAN call Stephano a top 2 foreign Zerg I guess, but not more. He still has to prove himself in GSl against the koreans yet, where every single other foreigner before him fell. The difference between him and the other foreigners is that he just doesnt make mistakes. So do all the koreans, but the thing is, some koreans play genius + flawless, and thats whats called a GSl champion. He has already played versus koreans. That's really annoying to have to " prove yourself in GSL ". Against whom if I may ask you? MMA in an online qualifier? Some Code A or Code B players outside of korea? GSL is different than any other tournament. Yes, and that's pretty stupid. But whatever, even if he beats koreans outside of Korea, y'all keep telling that's just irrelevant as long as that's not in GSL. GSL is a tournament where you can prepare for your opponent litteraly perfectly. Foreign tournaments require some quick adaptation since you chain matches. I'm getting more and more bored with the GSL. winning a GSL is still the pinnacle of sc2, stephano has the skill to win one if he stayed in korea for a few months or longer but for a young kid with a lot of money and easier ways to make money it isn't efficient or fun for him to be korea for a long period of time, which is a shame because he is the only foreigner who could win one atm Hmm, kind of reminds me of that conversation between Achillies and his mother at the beginning of Troy. If he doesn't go to the GSL, he will see a lot of success in EU/NA, and after he's gone his fans will remember him. But as the years pass and SC 2 changes, little by little his fame will fade away, until in the end no one remembers his name. If he goes to the GSL, he may lose everything and retire in disrepute. But if he should win it, if he should win the GSL, then his name will echo in eternity. Haha this!! But yeah imo GSL is just not worth it atm, he's making more money than almost any korean that is not top 4. And the chance that he wont get far from the getgo is too big, as even MVP and MMA are struggling now to get top 4 in the GSL.
The GSL is as volatile as any part of SC2, except the tournement takes part over 4-6 weeks. So if you have a bad day, your basically out of competition until 6 weeks later.
Its a silly system and doesn't promote an active competitive landscape. I've seen Stepahno play more in 2012 so far, than I saw Nestea play in all of 2011.
Well, the GSL on its own is ok, but KR in general needs more tournaments to showcase players.
Stephano shows his mad skillz every week, multiple times, how often do we get to see MVP, DRG, MMA, Nestea?
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On February 19 2012 06:32 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 06:23 massivez wrote:On February 19 2012 06:12 Azarkon wrote:On February 19 2012 06:04 mememolly wrote:On February 19 2012 05:55 Eshra wrote:On February 19 2012 05:51 Tarotis wrote:On February 19 2012 05:49 Eshra wrote:On February 19 2012 05:46 Tarotis wrote:
We CAN call Stephano a top 2 foreign Zerg I guess, but not more. He still has to prove himself in GSl against the koreans yet, where every single other foreigner before him fell. The difference between him and the other foreigners is that he just doesnt make mistakes. So do all the koreans, but the thing is, some koreans play genius + flawless, and thats whats called a GSl champion. He has already played versus koreans. That's really annoying to have to " prove yourself in GSL ". Against whom if I may ask you? MMA in an online qualifier? Some Code A or Code B players outside of korea? GSL is different than any other tournament. Yes, and that's pretty stupid. But whatever, even if he beats koreans outside of Korea, y'all keep telling that's just irrelevant as long as that's not in GSL. GSL is a tournament where you can prepare for your opponent litteraly perfectly. Foreign tournaments require some quick adaptation since you chain matches. I'm getting more and more bored with the GSL. winning a GSL is still the pinnacle of sc2, stephano has the skill to win one if he stayed in korea for a few months or longer but for a young kid with a lot of money and easier ways to make money it isn't efficient or fun for him to be korea for a long period of time, which is a shame because he is the only foreigner who could win one atm Hmm, kind of reminds me of that conversation between Achillies and his mother at the beginning of Troy. If he doesn't go to the GSL, he will see a lot of success in EU/NA, and after he's gone his fans will remember him. But as the years pass and SC 2 changes, little by little his fame will fade away, until in the end no one remembers his name. If he goes to the GSL, he may lose everything and retire in disrepute. But if he should win it, if he should win the GSL, then his name will echo in eternity. Haha this!! But yeah imo GSL is just not worth it atm, he's making more money than almost any korean that is not top 4. And the chance that he wont get far from the getgo is too big, as even MVP and MMA are struggling now to get top 4 in the GSL. The GSL is as volatile as any part of SC2, except the tournement takes part over 4-6 weeks. So if you have a bad day, your basically out of competition until 6 weeks later. Its a silly system and doesn't promote an active competitive landscape. I've seen Stepahno play more in 2012 so far, than I saw Nestea play in all of 2011. Well, the GSL on its own is ok, but KR in general needs more tournaments to showcase players. Stephano shows his mad skillz every week, multiple times, how often do we get to see MVP, DRG, MMA, Nestea?
Well, there's room for both. And part of the excitement of the top koreans is that we see them so rarely. Buyt I agree to the extent that I find the weekend-events to be a lot more engaging, even if the quality of the games will never be as high. Instead we get quick, gritty and intense.
I really wish that a european GSL equivalent would happen. Players could travel to a studio located in germany for centrality. I think training for a GSL gives the players something special in their training, that they don't get when training in general. The hammering out of specific builds on specific maps to take out specific opponents. It has to focus the attention of the players on the small details and perfect timings.
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On February 19 2012 06:04 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 05:55 Eshra wrote:On February 19 2012 05:51 Tarotis wrote:On February 19 2012 05:49 Eshra wrote:On February 19 2012 05:46 Tarotis wrote:
We CAN call Stephano a top 2 foreign Zerg I guess, but not more. He still has to prove himself in GSl against the koreans yet, where every single other foreigner before him fell. The difference between him and the other foreigners is that he just doesnt make mistakes. So do all the koreans, but the thing is, some koreans play genius + flawless, and thats whats called a GSl champion. He has already played versus koreans. That's really annoying to have to " prove yourself in GSL ". Against whom if I may ask you? MMA in an online qualifier? Some Code A or Code B players outside of korea? GSL is different than any other tournament. Yes, and that's pretty stupid. But whatever, even if he beats koreans outside of Korea, y'all keep telling that's just irrelevant as long as that's not in GSL. GSL is a tournament where you can prepare for your opponent litteraly perfectly. Foreign tournaments require some quick adaptation since you chain matches. I'm getting more and more bored with the GSL. winning a GSL is still the pinnacle of sc2, stephano has the skill to win one if he stayed in korea for a few months or longer but for a young kid with a lot of money and easier ways to make money it isn't efficient or fun for him to be korea for a long period of time, which is a shame because he is the only foreigner who could win one atm
Agreed, but as someone already said it, winning a GSL is far from being only skill-related. It's at least half of preparation for a specific opponent/match up. Skillwise, i'm pretty sure Stephano can compete with the best of the best. But he's not used to the way GSL rolls. Well, I'm just assuming things here, but I'm fairly confident in my thoughts.
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anyone know wehre i can find the vods? ty, i want to see some stephano 
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I don't think VoDs are available. Maybe later. But the replays are already uploaded somewhere. I just need a minute to remember the website. :D
Edit : More than a minute, actually. I know a guy said during the event that the replays were available, but i can't find them anywhere.
Pretty sure the replays will be available there : http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/static/-sc2replay-/ soon, maybe already.
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On February 19 2012 07:09 qwertyindeed wrote:anyone know wehre i can find the vods? ty, i want to see some stephano
http://www.twitch.tv/dignitastoh1o
finals start at 4:21:00 of the latest video. (Semifinal of stephano vs bling is somewhere on the 3rd to last video).
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And it's better than the millenium tool by far ! 
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On February 19 2012 05:59 dsousa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 05:51 Tarotis wrote:On February 19 2012 05:49 Eshra wrote:On February 19 2012 05:46 Tarotis wrote:
We CAN call Stephano a top 2 foreign Zerg I guess, but not more. He still has to prove himself in GSl against the koreans yet, where every single other foreigner before him fell. The difference between him and the other foreigners is that he just doesnt make mistakes. So do all the koreans, but the thing is, some koreans play genius + flawless, and thats whats called a GSl champion. He has already played versus koreans. That's really annoying to have to " prove yourself in GSL ". Against whom if I may ask you? MMA in an online qualifier? Some Code A or Code B players outside of korea? GSL is different than any other tournament. He beat DRG and Hero in the Blizzard Cup.... only barely losing to MC and MVP. Koreans should be afraid of him, once he gets rolling he could turn around 10 years of Korean RTS dominance I don't think any of the top Koreans are eager to face him, they have a lot invested in being considered the best in the world, and Stephano could undo all that pretty quickly once he gets on a roll. He's a steamroller in EU/NA... and if he gets in that zone in Korea..... well the forums here would get pretty ugly. He is a huge threat to BW and KR superiority. What would TL think if a French WC3 player is really the best in the world?
are you trolling?
Stephano will never dominates korea (and so the world) because he is too afraid/just want easy money from the EU tournaments that he -at the moment- dominates.
I predict big big upsets in the next 12 months for the stephano fan boys
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Grubby really has trouble against Stephano's playstyle
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On February 19 2012 22:15 stickyhands wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 05:59 dsousa wrote:On February 19 2012 05:51 Tarotis wrote:On February 19 2012 05:49 Eshra wrote:On February 19 2012 05:46 Tarotis wrote:
We CAN call Stephano a top 2 foreign Zerg I guess, but not more. He still has to prove himself in GSl against the koreans yet, where every single other foreigner before him fell. The difference between him and the other foreigners is that he just doesnt make mistakes. So do all the koreans, but the thing is, some koreans play genius + flawless, and thats whats called a GSl champion. He has already played versus koreans. That's really annoying to have to " prove yourself in GSL ". Against whom if I may ask you? MMA in an online qualifier? Some Code A or Code B players outside of korea? GSL is different than any other tournament. He beat DRG and Hero in the Blizzard Cup.... only barely losing to MC and MVP. Koreans should be afraid of him, once he gets rolling he could turn around 10 years of Korean RTS dominance I don't think any of the top Koreans are eager to face him, they have a lot invested in being considered the best in the world, and Stephano could undo all that pretty quickly once he gets on a roll. He's a steamroller in EU/NA... and if he gets in that zone in Korea..... well the forums here would get pretty ugly. He is a huge threat to BW and KR superiority. What would TL think if a French WC3 player is really the best in the world? are you trolling? Stephano will never dominates korea (and so the world) because he is too afraid/just want easy money from the EU tournaments that he -at the moment- dominates. I predict big big upsets in the next 12 months for the stephano fan boys
Your prediction is that at some point in the next year will lose badly? What a bold statement.
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