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On February 09 2012 14:52 songohan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 14:48 iSometric wrote:
Drg and Genius go through. MKP will be 0-4. have you checked the ladder recently? he's #1 with over a 100 points gap and 80% winrate. nestea is hanging around 10 but we can assume that he's not playing his best. dong rae gu and genius will have to do a miracle to get through.
Most of these players are known for just screwing around on the ladder. Their real practice comes in Custom games, so taking their ladder positions into account means very, very little.
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when will people stop thinking ladder is a good indicator..
Im hopinh for nestea and genius anyways gogo show us good games ~
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I'm hoping for DRG and Nestea for a 3/3/2 Ro8 :D.
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NOBODY can predict the group of death @_@ Go Nestea!
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On February 09 2012 14:52 songohan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 14:48 iSometric wrote:
Drg and Genius go through. MKP will be 0-4. have you checked the ladder recently? he's #1 with over a 100 points gap and 80% winrate. nestea is hanging around 10 but we can assume that he's not playing his best. dong rae gu and genius will have to do a miracle to get through.
Using ladder to predict GSL performance?
Wow, haven't seen that one in a while...
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I think alot of people are being foolish underestimating MKP... his vT is almost always the reason he loses, so tonight's matchups are pretty favorable to him.
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I knew you would say that. However. being #1 on the korean ladder takes insane skill. There are a select few players that actually like to hold back. Some of those are Nestea and his disciple MVP. This doesn't mean that the majority of the players aren't trying on the Korean Ladder. Idra can't even get into top 100 and Huk is hovering around 50-100.
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On February 09 2012 09:45 Teacher74 wrote:
If fans don't get irrationally passionate in favor of their teams/players/(and in Starcraft) races, It's not a true sport.
Passion does not equal to talking badly or balance whining. One can be extremely happy when his player wins, or deeply frustrated when his player loses. But that does not mean he can or should insult other people,races, etc. There are other ways to show passion.
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On February 09 2012 15:11 songohan wrote:
I knew you would say that. However. being #1 on the korean ladder takes insane skill. There are a select few players that actually like to hold back. Some of those are Nestea and his disciple MVP. This doesn't mean that the majority of the players aren't trying on the Korean Ladder. Idra can't even get into top 100 and Huk is hovering around 50-100.
If we were talking about MLG instead of a GSL I would argue that ladder performance is somewhat relevant (due to not being able to have a concrete strategy for an individual player going into the match) but ladder performance doesn't pertain much to the GSL where these players have known for 2 weeks who is in their group and are going to be specifically practicing these matchups for specific maps.
Either way I feel MKP's chances are good...
According to GOM, MKP is:
38.2% against Terran
81.0% against Zerg and
68.4% against Toss
It's not like it's a finals... *evil laugh*
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NesTea - once again scary
DongRaeGu - always scary
MarineKing - always scary
Genius - recently scary
This group is going to make for amazing games and crazy balance whine. You are not prepared.
Also MKP fighting! End the Kong!
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On February 09 2012 15:11 songohan wrote:
I knew you would say that. However. being #1 on the korean ladder takes insane skill. There are a select few players that actually like to hold back. Some of those are Nestea and his disciple MVP. This doesn't mean that the majority of the players aren't trying on the Korean Ladder. Idra can't even get into top 100 and Huk is hovering around 50-100.
"I knew you'd say that" isn't a valid counterargument. MKP has always had an amazing record on ladder and a very, very high ranking. Doesn't change the fact that he's never won the GSL, nor does it change the fact that using ladder as indication of who's going to do well in the GSL is absolutely silly. Nerves are a huge part of being a strong competitor, and that's a factor that doesn't take affect on ladder. Whether or not MKP has improved his handling of nerves, I do not know, but I do know that looking at ladder ranking and records is an absolutely terrible indication of who will actually deliver in the GSL.
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After everyone hyping up this group, just watch it turn into a snorefest filled with bad games and all-ins.
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Such a sick day of GSL... Cannot wait for tonight to watch the VODs!!!
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NesTea and DRG please, or NesTea and MKP.
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omg I'm so hyped for this!!
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On February 09 2012 14:19 babylon wrote:
Where is this DRG ZvZ hype coming from?
His last televised ZvZ game in Korea ... was to Stephano. Which he lost. His last encounters in the foreign scene were against NeeL (2-1), Sen (2-1), LaLush (2-1), Leenock (3-4), and FD (3-2). That is not impressive. Sorry.
Meanwhile NesTea has still only dropped ZvZ games to three players ever in Korea (last being Leenock in a Bo1). Sure, he lost to HayprO at MLG (1-2), but he was playing far below his usual level and didn't have time to prepare, which is when he really shines. He will have had plenty of time to prepare here. And it's a Bo3, so no room for "random chance."
NesTea has a 90% win-rate in ZvZ with plenty of games played and he has only ever dropped ZvZs to six players in his history of televised games. DRG .... doesn't have that at all.
NesTea is certainly the favourite but DRG is no slouch in ZvZ. He hasn't played many televised games but if you include online tournaments it looks like this (plus a 2-1 over Symbol in the FXOpen invitational), with a 20-5 record (80%). In fact, I'm not aware of a single ZvZ series that DRG has lost in Korea, with the exception of that Bo1 against Stephano. His only series ZvZ losses in foreign tournaments were to Leenock (during which he had food poisoning) and Coca.
NesTea has obviously proven himself to be the best in the world at ZvZ, but I don't think it's outrageous to say that DRG has made a firm claim for second-place (Who else is up there now, actually? Leenock? But he recently lost to July, of all people). They've yet to play each-other though so the most we can do is speculate. Hopefully they'll be good games.
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On February 09 2012 15:11 songohan wrote:
I knew you would say that. However. being #1 on the korean ladder takes insane skill. There are a select few players that actually like to hold back. Some of those are Nestea and his disciple MVP. This doesn't mean that the majority of the players aren't trying on the Korean Ladder. Idra can't even get into top 100 and Huk is hovering around 50-100.
When the map pool for the GSL is the same as that for ladder then Marineking's opponents can shudder in their boots. Since that isn't the case MKP is the underdog in this group for sure.
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Come on Genius and DRG, earn papa some Liquibet points. 
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Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
LESS THAN 3 HOURS TO GO?!!?!
THIS IS ABSOLUTE MADNESS!!!!
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