EPTOn February 08 2012 19:44 silverstyle wrote:
Parting's PvP looks pretty weak...
Parting's PvP looks pretty weak...
Parting's PvP isn't weak. MC is just a monster.
[GSL] 2012 Season 1 Code S Ro16 Group C - Page 80
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elwoodng
Singapore438 Posts
Parting's PvP isn't weak. MC is just a monster. | ||
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MVTaylor
United Kingdom2893 Posts
On February 08 2012 19:42 Noktix wrote: It isn't your job to bitch about imbalance, It is your job to show amazing games and work out ways to beat it. Instead of sitting on this forum and explaining why it's impossible, how about you practice your ass off and become an innovator. I lose respect for every single pro i see do this... Sorry, you lose respect for players who are in GSL Code A and watch GSL matches while disagreeing with you? | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On February 08 2012 19:44 Leetley wrote: I wonder how the defensive Nexuses are gonna fare in PvP in Hots... I hope we get more expanding. Proxy Nexus will be staple PvP with the recall ability | ||
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Stanlot
United States5742 Posts
On February 08 2012 19:44 clusen wrote: 3 immortal shots against armored are a ton of damage? 3 immortal shots = 1 almost dead stalker, which means absolutely nothing when it's your last available attacking unit :[ | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote: no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build. toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you? its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. I think the issue people have with it is because its new (to them). I'll take your word on that its how Ps play. But if this is a new thing happening, why dont we give Ts/Zs some time to develop counterstrats before calling it too strong? And on the other hand, if this is not new and something Ps have been doing for a long time, why havent we started seeing a massive increase in P success in GSL? | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote: no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build. toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you? its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. So when pro Protoss players said you can't hold a 1-1-1 were they right? When Protoss said you can't stop Mutas in ZvP were they right? When Terran said you couldn't stop Infestor/BroodLord were they right? When Zerg said you couldn't stop the Protoss deathball were they right? Pro's always whine about balance they have a long, long history in this game of calling strategies broken and crying/whining about the game when the same strats were later just figured out when players played vs them more. | ||
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bbQ4Aiur
Hong Kong2752 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On February 08 2012 19:43 roymarthyup wrote: i'd suggest we wait until this GSL finals are over before we claim imbalance. im pretty sure a top terran will figure out an answer to these new toss tricks soon honestly, if instead of going for medivacs/upgrades after the factory you go for a thor, it could counter the FF nonsense pretty well and your medivacs/upgrades would be maybe 2minutes later but who cares a thor costs 150/100 for the armory then after that your 1factory+techlab (200/125) can produce 1thor every 60 seconds. 1thor kills 3 zealots or stalkers easily in normal combat. 1 gateway makes about 1.5 zealots a minute. it takes 2 gateways (300 minerals) to make 3zealots a minute, while it costs 350/225 to make the production required to produce 1thor a minute which easily kills 3zealots. So the terran spends a bit more money, but in exchance for that he COMPLETELY ELIMINATED FORCEFIELDS imagine that, whats more important +1/+1 and stim, or completely removing forcefields? id say completely removing forcefields is much stronger so parting went for basically a 8gate off two bases what if jakji went for a 5rax of two bases with thors? 3 reactors on raxes, 2 techlabs on raxes, 1 techlab on factory. 300/200 a minute to make thors 720 minerals/minute to make rines from 3 reactor raxes 200/50 a minute to make marauders from 2 techlab raxes total cost, 1220 minerals / minute to produce off all those buildings plus 400 minerals/minute on required depots. 2 fully saturated mineral line + 2mules gives about 1900 minerals per minute income, meaning terran can reach the 1620 income he needs before he reaches saturation, enough time/money to buy 1turret in time for DT's or expand to counter a third No. Just no. Stop. Your post about thors is going to make people's brains hurt. | ||
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Typhon
United States387 Posts
On February 08 2012 19:45 mvtaylor wrote: Sorry, you lose respect for players who are in GSL Code A and watch GSL matches while disagreeing with you? Nah, he loses respect for players like Nestea who spend their time complaining about race balance rather than... wait... | ||
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DaPyro
Serbia131 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On February 08 2012 19:45 mvtaylor wrote: Sorry, you lose respect for players who are in GSL Code A and watch GSL matches while disagreeing with you? and players that actually interact with the community? it gets rarer each day | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On February 08 2012 19:44 Medrea wrote: Morrow does plenty of innovation. Like baneling drops in combat. Or at least popularization. MorroW as solid at playing as he is at balance whining in the one kind of threads on TL that every mod says to NOT balance whine in. | ||
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chocopan
Japan986 Posts
On February 08 2012 19:45 Mr_Wo_Ot wrote: Remember the people who are responding to you are the 2% of the people reading and the other 98% enjoy reading your posts. So please dont let the haters get to you! Morrow hwaiting! Seconded. Oh and I for one enjoy these PvPs. | ||
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Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
On February 08 2012 19:42 Noktix wrote: It isn't your job to bitch about imbalance, It is your job to show amazing games and work out ways to beat it. Instead of sitting on this forum and explaining why it's impossible, how about you practice your ass off and become an innovator. I lose respect for every single pro i see do this... I know right? Damn those silly professional starcraft players thinking their entitled to give an opinion on starcraft! go back to your cave and practice nub | ||
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sCFade
307 Posts
On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote: no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build. toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you? its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. Without wanting to come off as one of the annoying ass-kissers that pop up every time anyone good posts, thank you for posting. | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
On February 08 2012 19:44 Roe wrote: you'll never catch up to your opponent's econ if you dont cc first What...the only viable build in TvP is CC first? We see Terrans go 1 rax FE all the time (against the very common 1 gate FE from Protoss). The reason Parting can be so greedy is that possible aggression from a CC first will come way later. He isn't gonna do that build if he scouts a wall off and doesn't know if the Terran made a CC or not. | ||
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Slangen
Sweden1166 Posts
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icecreamlolz
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Stanlot
United States5742 Posts
On February 08 2012 19:46 DaPyro wrote: Why do they keep playing the Xmen theme song LOL Because WHY NOT It's awesome :DDD | ||
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