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On February 08 2012 19:46 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. So when pro Protoss players said you can't hold a 1-1-1 were they right? When Protoss said you can't stop Mutas in ZvP were they right? When Terran said you couldn't stop Infestor/BroodLord were they right? When Zerg said you couldn't stop the Protoss deathball were they right? Pro's always whine about balance they have a long, long history in this game of calling strategies broken and crying/whining about the game when the same strats were later just figured out when players played vs them more.
and you're whining about pros whining. >_>
also
I think you're also forgetting that Pros are people too
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On February 08 2012 19:45 mvtaylor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:42 Noktix wrote:On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. It isn't your job to bitch about imbalance, It is your job to show amazing games and work out ways to beat it. Instead of sitting on this forum and explaining why it's impossible, how about you practice your ass off and become an innovator. I lose respect for every single pro i see do this... Sorry, you lose respect for players who are in GSL Code A and watch GSL matches while disagreeing with you?
I lose respect for professionals who can't act professional. There are so many unexplored options in the Terran race. I guarantee in a month TvP will be completely different.
Coming to these forums and whining does nothing. I don't care if you comment on the games, but trying to prove how imbalanced toss is to randoms on team liquid does nothing but make you look bad.
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On February 08 2012 19:46 Typhon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:45 mvtaylor wrote:On February 08 2012 19:42 Noktix wrote:On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. It isn't your job to bitch about imbalance, It is your job to show amazing games and work out ways to beat it. Instead of sitting on this forum and explaining why it's impossible, how about you practice your ass off and become an innovator. I lose respect for every single pro i see do this... Sorry, you lose respect for players who are in GSL Code A and watch GSL matches while disagreeing with you? Nah, he loses respect for players like Nestea who spend their time complaining about race balance rather than... wait...
NesTea does complain (as does a few other pros), but the difference is that they don't ask for it to be nerfed and instead try to counter it.
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On February 08 2012 19:45 Mr_Wo_Ot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. Remember the people who are responding to you are the 2% of the people reading and the other 98% enjoy reading your posts. So please dont let the haters get to you! Morrow hwaiting!
Exactly morrow's opinions are really interesting. Do not get influenced by the haters.
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On February 08 2012 19:46 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. So when pro Protoss players said you can't hold a 1-1-1 were they right? When Protoss said you can't stop Mutas in ZvP were they right? When Terran said you couldn't stop Infestor/BroodLord were they right? When Zerg said you couldn't stop the Protoss deathball were they right? Pro's always whine about balance they have a long, long history in this game of calling strategies broken and crying/whining about the game when the same strats were later just figured out when players played vs them more.
Exactly. I remember MVP saying 1-1-1 should be a DQ because its so strong (it was partly joking partly serious). People figured it out and now its not so hard to stop.
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Game Two on Entombed Valley
In the bottom left is  Parting
While in the top right is MC
Both players opening with a gate and a gas
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i missed about mc, when he got into sk gaming? havent noticed that.. any interview or info about that?
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On February 08 2012 19:47 icecreamlolz wrote:
puzzle, mc, parting, genius. 4 toss in round of 8. am i dreaming? if mkp and genius advance... PvT and mirror matchups galore inc.
Genius hasn't played ro16 yet o.o
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I do enjoy how the two people who disagreed with Morrow did it in an unsubstantiated and hateful manner, more or less how he clarified.
I love seeing pros and casters post on the forums, and I hope they keep doing it even if they have to put up with people who do not engage their points in constructive manners. You guys are why I watch and support E-Sports.
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On February 08 2012 19:47 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:46 Seraphone wrote:On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. So when pro Protoss players said you can't hold a 1-1-1 were they right? When Protoss said you can't stop Mutas in ZvP were they right? When Terran said you couldn't stop Infestor/BroodLord were they right? When Zerg said you couldn't stop the Protoss deathball were they right? Pro's always whine about balance they have a long, long history in this game of calling strategies broken and crying/whining about the game when the same strats were later just figured out when players played vs them more. and you're whining about pros whining. >_> also I think you're also forgetting that Pros are people too
You didn't respond to my point.
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couldnt jakji just make fast ghost to counter that 8gate instead of starport? It's useful even if parting didnt make sentries
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On February 08 2012 19:46 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. So when pro Protoss players said you can't hold a 1-1-1 were they right? When Protoss said you can't stop Mutas in ZvP were they right? When Terran said you couldn't stop Infestor/BroodLord were they right? When Zerg said you couldn't stop the Protoss deathball were they right? Pro's always whine about balance they have a long, long history in this game of calling strategies broken and crying/whining about the game when the same strats were later just figured out when players played vs them more.
I think you shouldnt complain if you cant provide the same level of analysis in this thread. Im pretty sure Morrow was posting his thoughts on that game. You dont necessarily need to agree but please be less critical.
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I mean wasnt one of the reasons Morrow switched to zerg was because playing terran invalidated his results (in many peoples eyes) because terran has held the #1 race throne for like a year and some change?
And now we are going back on that?
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On February 08 2012 19:46 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. So when pro Protoss players said you can't hold a 1-1-1 were they right? When Protoss said you can't stop Mutas in ZvP were they right? When Terran said you couldn't stop Infestor/BroodLord were they right? When Zerg said you couldn't stop the Protoss deathball were they right? Pro's always whine about balance they have a long, long history in this game of calling strategies broken and crying/whining about the game when the same strats were later just figured out when players played vs them more.
Wow times have changed since those situations
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On February 08 2012 19:48 Stanlot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:47 icecreamlolz wrote:
puzzle, mc, parting, genius. 4 toss in round of 8. am i dreaming? if mkp and genius advance... PvT and mirror matchups galore inc. Genius hasn't played ro16 yet o.o
see that "if" before "mkp and genius advance"?
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On February 08 2012 19:47 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:46 Seraphone wrote:On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. So when pro Protoss players said you can't hold a 1-1-1 were they right? When Protoss said you can't stop Mutas in ZvP were they right? When Terran said you couldn't stop Infestor/BroodLord were they right? When Zerg said you couldn't stop the Protoss deathball were they right? Pro's always whine about balance they have a long, long history in this game of calling strategies broken and crying/whining about the game when the same strats were later just figured out when players played vs them more. Exactly. I remember MVP saying 1-1-1 should be a DQ because its so strong (it was partly joking partly serious). People figured it out and now its not so hard to stop.
also 2rax...
On February 08 2012 19:47 Noktix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:45 mvtaylor wrote:On February 08 2012 19:42 Noktix wrote:On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. It isn't your job to bitch about imbalance, It is your job to show amazing games and work out ways to beat it. Instead of sitting on this forum and explaining why it's impossible, how about you practice your ass off and become an innovator. I lose respect for every single pro i see do this... Sorry, you lose respect for players who are in GSL Code A and watch GSL matches while disagreeing with you? I lose respect for professionals who can't act professional. There are so many unexplored options in the Terran race. I guarantee in a month TvP will be completely different. Coming to these forums and whining does nothing. I don't care if you comment on the games, but trying to prove how imbalanced toss is to randoms on team liquid does nothing but make you look bad.
saying your opinion = not acting professional?
Oo
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On February 08 2012 19:48 Megaman_X wrote:
couldnt jakji just make fast ghost to counter that 8gate instead of starport? It's useful even if parting didnt make sentries
that doesn't even make sense o.O. He just needed more bunkers.
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On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
"I spend time on stuff XXX" is not an argument to prove a point. Just give arguments, explain and you'll convince people. Otherwise, this just make you look patronizing.
Now, I think you spending a lot of time on SC2 should allow you to easily find better arguments than the average gold whiner.
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If MC wins I hope we get an epic celebration
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