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On February 08 2012 19:33 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:31 roymarthyup wrote:On February 08 2012 19:23 cyclone25 wrote:On February 08 2012 19:22 Heavenly wrote:On February 08 2012 19:22 KiNGxXx wrote:
I don't get this. 3rd gets scouted, building bunkers and still the fight is not even close! A nexus is 400 minerals...on the other hand Jjaki went for double ebay, +1, and teched up to medivacs while only having one. And you suggest he shouldn't get upgrades or medivacs? a third nexus costs 400 minerals. parting went for MASSSS gateway units, no forge, no tech, no upgrades. just zealot/stalker/sentry. basically a 2base all-in with zero tech but spending 400minerals on a third nexus jakji got 2bases then made factory (150/100) starport (150/100) 2 engi bay (250) +1/+1 (200/200) and he made 1 medivac (100/100) which was out by then essentially, by the time partings attack hit, jakji had spent 750/400 on a single medivac. while parting spent 400 on a third nexus (which allowed him to spread out his probes for more efficient mining) with like 8gates for a massive attach with zero tech id say to counter this crap, there are probably several options from the terran. i say wait a bit and sooner or later terrans will figure out the proper way to play against these gateway pressure possibilities The entire concept is stupid abusive and based around the power of warp gates/sentries though. It feels like the mechanic really needs to be re-looked at; it creates so many stupid situations where any defender's advantage is more than negated (see forcefields on ramps in PvZ).
i'd suggest we wait until this GSL finals are over before we claim imbalance. im pretty sure a top terran will figure out an answer to these new toss tricks soon
honestly, if instead of going for medivacs/upgrades after the factory you go for a thor, it could counter the FF nonsense pretty well and your medivacs/upgrades would be maybe 2minutes later but who cares
a thor costs 150/100 for the armory then after that your 1factory+techlab (200/125) can produce 1thor every 60 seconds.
1thor kills 3 zealots or stalkers easily in normal combat.
1 gateway makes about 1.5 zealots a minute. it takes 2 gateways (300 minerals) to make 3zealots a minute, while it costs 350/225 to make the production required to produce 1thor a minute which easily kills 3zealots. So the terran spends a bit more money, but in exchance for that he COMPLETELY ELIMINATED FORCEFIELDS
imagine that, whats more important +1/+1 and stim, or completely removing forcefields? id say completely removing forcefields is much stronger
so parting went for basically a 8gate off two bases
what if jakji went for a 4rax of two bases with thors? 3 reactors on raxes, 1 techlabs on raxes, 1 techlab on factory.
300/200 a minute to make thors
720 minerals/minute to make rines from 3 reactor raxes
200/50 a minute to make marauders from 1 techlab raxes
total cost, 1220 minerals / minute to produce off all those buildings plus 400 minerals/minute on required depots. 2 fully saturated mineral line + 2mules gives about 1900 minerals per minute income, meaning terran can reach the 1620 income he needs before he reaches saturation, enough time/money to buy 1turret in time for DT's or expand to counter a third
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PvP sucks, expand and die! Gogo
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ah yes, PvP. Parting with an awesome expand into gg
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Shit MC  <3
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Parting's PvP looks pretty weak...
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On February 08 2012 19:39 Logros wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:38 mvtaylor wrote:On February 08 2012 19:36 Medrea wrote:On February 08 2012 19:35 RPR_Tempest wrote:On February 08 2012 19:33 Medrea wrote:
Its like Im going crazy. Did everyone forget that cloaked banshees are stealthed and 3 nexus and 8 gates have no observer??
Terran should be untouchable to that attack So blind banshees is the answer? Its not blind? You really think protoss can hide all that shit from terran?? Upon scouting the third it will be around three minutes until a banshee is complete with cloak finished. It's about that time that Parting was at Jjakji's base with half a bajillion forcefields. You HAVE to do the banshee blindly BEFORE the third starts to actually be able to counter it. How about just not going CC first?
you'll never catch up to your opponent's econ if you dont cc first
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This matchup is still so horrible 
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Wow - Parting is playing like a boss. But MC is just unbeatable, never seen him this good.
No terrans through today!
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On February 08 2012 19:43 Swiv wrote:
come on artosis.... that immortal shot 3 (!) times and he already stated his flowery phrase 'this immortal does a ton of damage'
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3 immortal shots against armored are a ton of damage?
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On February 08 2012 19:40 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. oO MorroW saying it like a baws. mad respect!
yeah please keep posting! its important to get some informations fromthe pros themselves
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ahh the old expand into lose strategy, a mainstay of PvP
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LOL this is NOT a good map to expand in a freaking PvP 
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On February 08 2012 19:42 Noktix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. It isn't your job to bitch about imbalance, It is your job to show amazing games and work out ways to beat it. Instead of sitting on this forum and explaining why it's impossible, how about you practice your ass off and become an innovator. I lose respect for every single pro i see do this...
Morrow does plenty of innovation. Like baneling drops in combat. Or at least popularization.
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On February 08 2012 19:43 Asha` wrote:
Parting making the mistake of trying to expand
I wonder how the defensive Nexuses are gonna fare in PvP in Hots... I hope we get more expanding.
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On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it.
Remember the people who are responding to you are the 2% of the people reading and the other 98% enjoy reading your posts. So please dont let the haters get to you! Morrow hwaiting!
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United States97276 Posts
I hope parting plays better game 2
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Forcefield God vs Forcefield Evil
What an even matches!
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EPT
