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On February 08 2012 19:47 Corrosive wrote:
Exactly. I remember MVP saying 1-1-1 should be a DQ because its so strong (it was partly joking partly serious). People figured it out and now its not so hard to stop.
Except they didn't, really. The maps just got changed to make 1/1/1 weaker.
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On February 08 2012 19:45 elwoodng wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:44 silverstyle wrote:
Parting's PvP looks pretty weak... Parting's PvP isn't weak. MC is just a monster.
Parting expanded after barely doing anything, he threw down a robo instead of a gate when he saw MC coming. I'd say its rather weak compared to MC.
No doubt MC is really good at PvP and picked a great build, but Parting's follow up to his contain made little sense IMO.
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On February 08 2012 19:48 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:47 zhurai wrote:On February 08 2012 19:46 Seraphone wrote:On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. So when pro Protoss players said you can't hold a 1-1-1 were they right? When Protoss said you can't stop Mutas in ZvP were they right? When Terran said you couldn't stop Infestor/BroodLord were they right? When Zerg said you couldn't stop the Protoss deathball were they right? Pro's always whine about balance they have a long, long history in this game of calling strategies broken and crying/whining about the game when the same strats were later just figured out when players played vs them more. and you're whining about pros whining. >_> also I think you're also forgetting that Pros are people too You didn't respond to my point.
Technically, you weren't talking to me, so I don't see what "point" I should respond to oO
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I might be one of few who like PvP and ZvZ. It comers down good micro, exactly what I do worst. I love watching these pros micro away.
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lol, two protoss players beat two terran players and suddently nobody is actually talking about the games anymore...sigh >_>
On another note, MC pulling an Inca!
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
I swear.... I don't know why people just can't watch games and enjoy.....
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On February 08 2012 19:48 icecreamlolz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:48 Stanlot wrote:On February 08 2012 19:47 icecreamlolz wrote:
puzzle, mc, parting, genius. 4 toss in round of 8. am i dreaming? if mkp and genius advance... PvT and mirror matchups galore inc. Genius hasn't played ro16 yet o.o see that "if" before "mkp and genius advance"?
Sorry, missed that second part
It's late =_=;;
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:O what is MC thinking...
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dunno how artosis didn't see the DT build coming. twilight with over 200 gas saved up.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On February 08 2012 19:47 Drazerk wrote:Game Two on Entombed ValleyIn the bottom left is  Parting While in the top right is MC Both players opening with a gate and a gas
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Twilight council and two more gates for MC as both players finish warp tech
Nexus and more gates for parting
Dark shrine for MC
Robo for Parting
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On February 08 2012 19:47 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:46 Typhon wrote:On February 08 2012 19:45 mvtaylor wrote:On February 08 2012 19:42 Noktix wrote:On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. It isn't your job to bitch about imbalance, It is your job to show amazing games and work out ways to beat it. Instead of sitting on this forum and explaining why it's impossible, how about you practice your ass off and become an innovator. I lose respect for every single pro i see do this... Sorry, you lose respect for players who are in GSL Code A and watch GSL matches while disagreeing with you? Nah, he loses respect for players like Nestea who spend their time complaining about race balance rather than... wait... NesTea does complain (as does a few other pros), but the difference is that they don't ask for it to be nerfed and instead try to counter it.
From the tone of his interviews, he sounds like a bigger complainer than MorroW. Who knows what it'd be like if Nestea posted on TeamLiquid?
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On February 08 2012 19:42 Noktix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. It isn't your job to bitch about imbalance, It is your job to show amazing games and work out ways to beat it. Instead of sitting on this forum and explaining why it's impossible, how about you practice your ass off and become an innovator. I lose respect for every single pro i see do this...
Don't you even feel the least bit of shame saying this? I am not going to discuss why your comment is plain dumb (more work =/ results if there is a racial imbalance, gimmicky strat. Think of the early 1-1-1 days and all the protoss pro gamer JUSTIFIED tears)
I am just saying that comments like this should be flamed by the rest of the community. A pro does not have "immunity" to comments from us, it's just... you are flaming someone in codeA level for not being good enough. Who the fuck are you to do that, sir?
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MC is channeling his former teammate Inca :D
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Ah, this is gonna be interesting.
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On February 08 2012 19:46 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing
daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this
you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.
toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases
you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race
if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it. So when pro Protoss players said you can't hold a 1-1-1 were they right? When Protoss said you can't stop Mutas in ZvP were they right? When Terran said you couldn't stop Infestor/BroodLord were they right? When Zerg said you couldn't stop the Protoss deathball were they right? Pro's always whine about balance they have a long, long history in this game of calling strategies broken and crying/whining about the game when the same strats were later just figured out when players played vs them more.
And then shit gets patched. For what it's worth 1/1/1 is still damn effective against P even after patches, Destiny managed to knock Mana and HasuObs out of IPL TAC with mass muta despite winning $700 in his SC2 career and Blizzard introducing a new unit in HotS specifically to deal with muta. Thorzain got destroyed by Stephano's late game ZvT Infestor / Broodlord earlier this month despite killing Stephano's Hive during the game. Simply check the Shoutcraft Invitational final game 1.
I'll give you one though, ZvP late game is now pretty Z favoured baring archon toilet.
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Australia18228 Posts
Maybe he's going for a 4-gate Archon build?
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