Some of you need to realize that, it wasn't only the Pro players that figured out stuff, the map pool helps a lot, more than you can maybe imagine.

When 1-1-1 was considered unstoppable, did any of you take into account the map pool? The rush distance, defensibility of the nat etc, are all contributing factors.

The only reason Protoss is doing so well now, and the only reason they have discovered this 3 Nexus strategy, is because the maps allow it. No Toss in his right mind would have done this shit on Metalopolis, Xel'Naga Caverns or Testbug or Dual Sight. Just look at Parting vs Jakji, first map favored 2nd fast expand, Parting wins. Dual sight doesn't favor 3rd fast Nexus, Parting loses.

Next time think before you post. And don't bash the Pros, unlike you they actually do practice their asses of, and when they come to offer insight you spit on them like they are shit, bravo sirs, and you wonder why they don't post more often.

Seeker

Where dat snitch at?36919 Posts

February 08 2012 10:52 GMT

#1663

COME ON PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!

mordk

Chile8385 Posts

February 08 2012 10:53 GMT

#1664

Damn MC, should have sent one single zealot to deny natural mning.

Logros

Netherlands9913 Posts

February 08 2012 10:53 GMT

#1665

These guys are micro-ing like crazy.

HQuality

2682 Posts

February 08 2012 10:53 GMT

#1666

sooooo.... who tells pvp is boring??
waaaay more intense then 6-7-8gate/immortal pushes pvt lol

Noktix

United States492 Posts

February 08 2012 10:53 GMT

#1667

On February 08 2012 19:50 Notfragile wrote:

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Don't you even feel the least bit of shame saying this? I am not going to discuss why your comment is plain dumb (more work =/ results if there is a racial imbalance, gimmicky strat. Think of the early 1-1-1 days and all the protoss pro gamer JUSTIFIED tears)

I am just saying that comments like this should be flamed by the rest of the community. A pro does not have "immunity" to comments from us, it's just... you are flaming someone in codeA level for not being good enough. Who the fuck are you to do that, sir?

The fuck? When did i say anything about Morrow specifically? He is a great player who i completely respect. When did i say he wasn't good enough?

If you have trouble with a race, a strategy, ANYTHING, practice and innovate. Don't bitch about imbalance. That is the point i'm making.

zhurai

United States5660 Posts

February 08 2012 10:53 GMT

#1668

On February 08 2012 19:50 Typhon wrote:

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On February 08 2012 19:47 Inflicted_ wrote:

On February 08 2012 19:46 Typhon wrote:

On February 08 2012 19:45 mvtaylor wrote:

On February 08 2012 19:42 Noktix wrote:

On February 08 2012 19:39 MorroW wrote:
no pro players want to give feedback or post in these forums because not its not always what you want to hear. and then you all come bashing

daybreak and metropolis are too long distances to punish something like this

you cant give the 15cc argument because 1rax expo gives a weaker followup than 15cc. thats why people go 15cc rofl, because the econ kicks in more quickly. then you get you extra raxes and geysers more quickly. you dont understand basic rts or tvp build.

toss scouts 15cc, grabs 2 nexuses, then goes onwards to not barely be able to defend, nope, he goes on to almost go kill protoss that was constantly building units on 2bases

you guys should realize me being in this game 12 hours a day for over a year knowing and talking to almost all pros plus practicing these gsl maps regularly, dont you think i should know the timings and find the flaws better than you?
its silly some tosses just come at me here just because they are defending their race

if you want feedback and pros opinions, the good and bad comes in a pack. im not gonna sit here and obliviously say "great timing on that 2base protoss" every time we watch gsl. please realize they can play macro oriented, they dont have to play like this. but they almost play like this exclusively because its more easy and they are more successful with it.

It isn't your job to bitch about imbalance, It is your job to show amazing games and work out ways to beat it.

Instead of sitting on this forum and explaining why it's impossible, how about you practice your ass off and become an innovator.

I lose respect for every single pro i see do this...

Sorry, you lose respect for players who are in GSL Code A and watch GSL matches while disagreeing with you?

Nah, he loses respect for players like Nestea who spend their time complaining about race balance rather than... wait...

NesTea does complain (as does a few other pros), but the difference is that they don't ask for it to be nerfed and instead try to counter it.

From the tone of his interviews, he sounds like a bigger complainer than MorroW. Who knows what it'd be like if Nestea posted on TeamLiquid?

I'd imagine both complaints and some information from him to become better at zerg?

or he'd be secretive and be like the other pros and actually not post at all.

TheHova

United Kingdom2612 Posts

February 08 2012 10:53 GMT

#1669

That hold... Holy shit.

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

February 08 2012 10:53 GMT

#1670

On February 08 2012 19:49 Drazerk wrote:

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7:40

Observer now on the way but the DTs are killing units in the main and natural

DTs turn into an archon when they go low on hp

Surrounding an archon with probes so many going down

Parting holding for now

9:00

Parting holding the attack initially but MC is getting ahead in the long run

andaylin

United States10830 Posts

February 08 2012 10:53 GMT

#1671

oops, mean MC outmicroing like a boss.

Medrea

10003 Posts

February 08 2012 10:53 GMT

#1672

If there is one thing I have noticed.

Zerg whine the most often.

Terran whines the worst, or is the whiniest.

Protoss whines the loudest.

I think whining in SC2 is more balanced than SC2 is.