MC

Both players opening with a gate and a gas

5:00

Twilight council and two more gates for MC as both players finish warp tech

Nexus and more gates for parting

Dark shrine for MC

Robo for Parting

6:30

Robo finishes as the proxy pylon goes up

MC takes the watch tower in the middle of the map as his dark shrine finishes

Immortal first for Parting

7:40

Observer now on the way but the DTs are killing units in the main and natural

DTs turn into an archon when they go low on hp

Surrounding an archon with probes so many going down

Parting holding for now

9:00

Parting holding the attack initially but MC is getting ahead in the long run

11:00

MC kills the remaining units of parting

Artosis pylon falls

Parting GGs

MC takes the series

Jehct

New Zealand9115 Posts

February 08 2012 10:54 GMT

#1698

On February 08 2012 19:43 roymarthyup wrote:

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i'd suggest we wait until this GSL finals are over before we claim imbalance. im pretty sure a top terran will figure out an answer to these new toss tricks soon

honestly, if instead of going for medivacs/upgrades after the factory you go for a thor, it could counter the FF nonsense pretty well and your medivacs/upgrades would be maybe 2minutes later but who cares

a thor costs 150/100 for the armory then after that your 1factory+techlab (200/125) can produce 1thor every 60 seconds.

1thor kills 3 zealots or stalkers easily in normal combat.

1 gateway makes about 1.5 zealots a minute. it takes 2 gateways (300 minerals) to make 3zealots a minute, while it costs 350/225 to make the production required to produce 1thor a minute which easily kills 3zealots. So the terran spends a bit more money, but in exchance for that he COMPLETELY ELIMINATED FORCEFIELDS

imagine that, whats more important +1/+1 and stim, or completely removing forcefields? id say completely removing forcefields is much stronger

so parting went for basically a 8gate off two bases

what if jakji went for a 5rax of two bases with thors? 3 reactors on raxes, 2 techlabs on raxes, 1 techlab on factory.
300/200 a minute to make thors
720 minerals/minute to make rines from 3 reactor raxes
200/50 a minute to make marauders from 2 techlab raxes

total cost, 1220 minerals / minute to produce off all those buildings plus 400 minerals/minute on required depots. 2 fully saturated mineral line + 2mules gives about 1900 minerals per minute income, meaning terran can reach the 1620 income he needs before he reaches saturation, enough time/money to buy 1turret in time for DT's or expand to counter a third

That's some ridiculous theory crafting and I didn't even begin to talk about imbalance. The best counter (IMO) is just to get a fast third CC (15cc > 2rax > gas > techlab/rauder/combat shields > 3rd cc), basically putting you on even footing with the protoss. The difference between the two builds is that 3cc can't just fucking push at the 10min mark and kill someone =/ I just really dislike the warp in/forcefield mechanic.

You can't really reactively go thor like that, and it'd be pretty bad against 8gateways. Medivacs/bio tech is the absolute strongest answer to gateway builds (to the extent that if you get 3 medivacs and a decent bio count you can just go kill them), Jjakji just needed to get repair on the bunkers and have his units in slightly better positioning (& nonstop medivacs).

I don't think it was a build order loss, it's just a slightly different version of the 6gate (with a better follow-up). The fact that it exists is utterly retarded, though.

Edit: And 1/1/stim is much more potent than having 2 awkward thors O_o

Heavenly

2172 Posts

February 08 2012 10:54 GMT

#1699

Really sick micro from both, I think MC kind of messed up in micro a bit there at some points more so than Parting but he had the build order advantage sort of. Parting's surrounds of MC's archon and stalker were insane.