[NASL] Sunday Showdown - IdrA vs Alive - Page 64

On February 14 2012 08:13 Talack wrote:


You really have no idea what's going on do you : /

You're ethier incredibly ignorant or trolling.

On February 14 2012 08:26 BanelingXD wrote:
I used to wonder how people could be so delusional that IdrA has a well developed fanboy community but then I remembered that 33% of Americans get all their info from Fox News and it all started to make sense.

The sooner IdrA leaves the better it will be for Esports, particularly foreigners in Esports. IdrA has mediocre skills, a losing record in any list of events you want to mention and a horrible attitude.

Pay me his salary. I'll win more games AND be a better face for western esports, mainly because I'd appreciate where I was and would want to work for it.

IdrA can basically be summarized as the progamer version of "10 MINS NO RUSH!!!"

On February 14 2012 08:26 BanelingXD wrote:
I used to wonder how people could be so delusional that IdrA has a well developed fanboy community but then I remembered that 33% of Americans get all their info from Fox News and it all started to make sense.

The sooner IdrA leaves the better it will be for Esports, particularly foreigners in Esports. IdrA has mediocre skills, a losing record in any list of events you want to mention and a horrible attitude.

Pay me his salary. I'll win more games AND be a better face for western esports, mainly because I'd appreciate where I was and would want to work for it.

IdrA can basically be summarized as the progamer version of "10 MINS NO RUSH!!!"

On February 14 2012 07:58 HotShizz wrote:


First place you are wrong is purely semantics, but you want prize money not price money. Price is what you pay for goods prize denotes a winning.

Where you are right: There must be clearly defined rules.

Where you are wrong: You have no idea what the rules are or who decided that the prize money would be forfeited.

I think it is great that he forfeited the prize. I doubt it was his decision, but perhaps it was his team's. Perhaps they saw that his level of play was a disgrace and they demanded that he forfeit the prize or face further punitive measures within their organization. Perhaps they said give back the money or publicly apologize and he chose to give back the money.

You are wrong in assigning blame and assuming that no rules were given to the players before the games were played. While you may be trying to use this example to create a debate over the powers of a tournament, you are arguing with people who are speaking specifically of these four games. I doubt their is anyone who would argue decisions made on a whim by tournament organizers is bad for the scene and most likely illegal.

If I said I would pay you 10€ to mow my lawn and you mow it, but miss a section, we will come to an amicable decision, I give you 8 € or you come back to finish your job. One must infer some decision was made behind closed doors. What was said, we will never know, but you cannot assign blame based on partial evidence.

On February 14 2012 08:16 Ravnemesteren wrote:


Yeah I just love smart answers like that (heavy, heavy saracastic drawl). If you want to point of why I am so wrong, you need to actually do it ... or else you seem very clueless.

On February 14 2012 08:34 shizna wrote:


that's harsh, idra's had a tough 6 months or so... if the pieces we've heard of his personal life are true.

i dislike idra's behaviour, but there's no doubting that he can be a great player when he wants to be.

first and foremost i think he needs to start respecting his opponent... idra doesn't seem to give any respect, so he doesn't deserve any respect in return. you play the game for fun - giving your opponent a 'free win' and an awfully disappointing series on purpose is a disrespectful waste of time. at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you win or lose - at least show some fight and people will respect you for it.

On February 14 2012 08:36 theJob wrote:


First off I'll have to apologize for spelling prize-money wrong – english isn't my mother tongue.

But if you want to go down that road then I guess my second point would be your misuse of the possessive pronoun “their” when the correct term would be “there”.

Thirdly if you read my responses again I never claimed to know which rules that does or doesn't exist in NASL. What I did do was question the very use of rules concerning builds.

But you are right that I’ve interpreted Xeris response as NASL allowing Idra into the considerations for future events because of him forfeiting his money, when this isn’t necessarily the case. However if you read Xeris post “As a result, IdrA has forfeited his $100 consolation prize and we may reconsider inviting him to special events in the future.” Then I’d say that my assumption shouldn’t come as a shock. Saying it like Xeris is saying it, it certainly sounds like NASL’s considerations of inviting Idra in the future is a consequence of Idra forfeiting his money. If that isn’t the case then I’d argue the post is poorly written and prone to misunderstandings.

And yes, you are right that I was wrong to assume that NASL didn’t tell Idra that two sixpools in a row is a punishable offence. I admit that.

Lastly if you read my posts again you’ll notice that I’m not in favor of having rules about which buildorders that are allowed or not nor am I in favor of leaving the punishment of players to NASL’s best judgment. I would personally rather have tournaments stay the hell away from in game strategies bared from cheating and game-fixing.

On February 14 2012 08:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote:

You got the heavy sarcastic drawl because, what you try and argue has been beaten to death in this thread. Lucky 6 pooled where it was viable, he did it well and weighed the options and thought he could win. Idra just simply didn't give a shit. he dropped a pool and ran his lings across the map, little to no micro. He threw the games.

Lucky 6 pooled but he did as a calculated strategy to beat a better opponent.

Idra 6 pooled because he didn't give a shit and didn't want to play out the series.

If you can't see the difference between these two situations there is no hope for you.

Also why would you expect any real response when you end with "People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans".

On February 14 2012 09:03 Ravnemesteren wrote:


Now you have to go back to my post that got targeted. I said I mainly agree that IdrA tilted. Okay. So if you are tilted you can do a pretty strong strategy by 6 pooling. He didnt calculate it, but it can work. So its frigging not the same as giving up. He could have 6 pooled better ofcourse. But TONS of players change up how they want to play and play, under par. Thats just what happened (probably, I won't claim I know what actually happened like you do). IdrA seems like I guy that can get tilted damn hard and play way below his standard. So its better to try to end it early with a smaller percentage chance if you feel you get that mad (thats my opinion at least if he actually got mad). And why the frigging uproar? If guy gets tilted and does a legit strat, but he doesnt do it as well as it could be done.... pfff, then TL has become tons worse than blizz forums ever was... games like occur ALL the time. Stop acting like crazy, little, self, entitled, idiots just because someone didnt conform to the standard GG, robot, korean way of acting. You guys need to lighten up

On February 14 2012 09:03 Ravnemesteren wrote:


Now you have to go back to my post that got targeted. I said I mainly agree that IdrA tilted. Okay. So if you are tilted you can do a pretty strong strategy by 6 pooling. He didnt calculate it, but it can work. So its frigging not the same as giving up. He could have 6 pooled better ofcourse. But TONS of players change up how they want to play and play, under par. Thats just what happened (probably, I won't claim I know what actually happened like you do). IdrA seems like I guy that can get tilted damn hard and play way below his standard. So its better to try to end it early with a smaller percentage chance if you feel you get that mad (thats my opinion at least if he actually got mad). And why the frigging uproar? If guy gets tilted and does a legit strat, but he doesnt do it as well as it could be done.... pfff, then TL has become tons worse than blizz forums ever was... games like occur ALL the time. Stop acting like crazy, little, self, entitled, idiots just because someone didnt conform to the standard GG, robot, korean way of acting. You guys need to lighten up

On February 14 2012 09:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote:

Lol wow... and this is why you receive sarcastic drawl. You pretty much ignore/twist what I say into some bullshit. The point here is their is a huge difference between the way Lucky 6 pooled and the way Idra 6 pooled. Idra basically quit and said fuck you to NASL and to the fans. So I guess I'm a crazy self entitled idiot because I want a player to do what he is fucking paid to do and not be a little baby about it....

I don't expect all players to be robots and GG all the time(Though realistically they are supposed to be professionals and probably should anyway....). but you're invited to do a show match, at least try and show some resemblance of respect, if not to Alive at least to NASL who picked you out of hundreds of players who would love the chance to play those games.

On February 14 2012 09:20 Talack wrote:


I think you're getting trolled

On February 14 2012 06:52 EtherealDeath wrote:

nasl says idra has forfeited his $100 and they will reconsider inviting him to future special events.

On February 14 2012 09:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote:

Lol wow... and this is why you receive sarcastic drawl. You pretty much ignore/twist what I say into some bullshit. The point here is their is a huge difference between the way Lucky 6 pooled and the way Idra 6 pooled. Idra basically quit and said fuck you to NASL and to the fans. So I guess I'm a crazy self entitled idiot because I want a player to do what he is fucking paid to do and not be a little baby about it....

I don't expect all players to be robots and GG all the time(Though realistically they are supposed to be professionals and probably should anyway....). but you're invited to do a show match, at least try and show some resemblance of respect, if not to Alive at least to NASL who picked you out of hundreds of players who would love the chance to play those games.

On February 14 2012 09:28 Ravnemesteren wrote:


Jesus, read TEXT neanderthal. If someone tilts they WONT PLAY THEIR BEST. I wish some people would have the fucking ability to think logically. Dude. Some players tilt.. and you know what? They won't play their best. So you can't just say they should have done this or that. And if you do, you are a friggin robot. "Try something with a resemblence of respect". Look at that sentence. Couldn't you point out what he should have done like other knowitalls ... no ofcourse not ... cuz you dont know. And damn. Why are you trying to skew what i said. I don't understand why we get all the uproar. If a player doesnt play as expected, or as good as we wanted, we can't complain..... and GOD FORBID they show some negative emotion.


EDIT: fuck it, I am prolly getting trolled, but I am too drunk to understand it. If so props to you mr troll

On February 14 2012 09:12 Tegin wrote:
Pretty disappointed in the effort that IdrA displayed. Then again I'm really not surprised at all..typical IdrA behavior.

On February 14 2012 08:34 shizna wrote:


that's harsh, idra's had a tough 6 months or so... if the pieces we've heard of his personal life are true.

i dislike idra's behaviour, but there's no doubting that he can be a great player when he wants to be.

first and foremost i think he needs to start respecting his opponent... idra doesn't seem to give any respect, so he doesn't deserve any respect in return. you play the game for fun - giving your opponent a 'free win' and an awfully disappointing series on purpose is a disrespectful waste of time. at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you win or lose - at least show some fight and people will respect you for it.