EPTOn January 31 2012 23:02 Big J wrote:
and MCs Code A record is... wait. he didnt make it to round 2... lol
and MCs Code A record is... wait. he didnt make it to round 2... lol
Naniwa never made it to round 2. What are you trying to say.
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
Naniwa never made it to round 2. What are you trying to say. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On January 31 2012 23:03 ch33psh33p wrote: Naniwa never made it to round 2. What are you trying to say. I hope he's trying to say MC -> HuK/Naniwa by far. | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On January 31 2012 22:57 hstq wrote: I think this Code A is really overrated .... A lot of foreigners would win both matches easy 2-0. Idra and Huk just played really bad, especially Idra. There was absolutely nothing special about those two koreans ... Losira played really bad too. It is all because of Idra and Huk are not at their best at all. There are many way better guys in EU and NA. I agree with you. Here are Huk's latest stats vs European players in bo3 or bo5 matches: 1-2 Kas 2-3 HasuObs 0-2 Seiplo 2-1 Orly 2-1 Seala 1-2 Titan 0-2 Dimaga 1-3 Elfi 1-2 BratOk 0-2 DarkForce 0-2 Stephano These are his results vs European players since October. 10 - 22 map score = 31% win rate. I wish people would stop calling foreigners bad just because IdrA and Huk are doing poorly vs Koreans. | ||
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ma70
253 Posts
On January 31 2012 23:05 cyclone25 wrote: I agree with you. Here are Huk's latest stats vs European players in bo3 or bo5 matches: 1-2 Kas 2-3 HasuObs 0-2 Seiplo 2-1 Orly 2-1 Seala 1-2 Titan 0-2 Dimaga 1-3 Elfi 1-2 BratOk 0-2 DarkForce 0-2 Stephano These are his results vs European players since October. 10 - 22 map score = 31% win rate. I wish people would stop calling foreigners bad just because IdrA and Huk are doing poorly vs Koreans. Foreigners aren't bad....but they're being super hyped up. This isn't really a bad thing as it's nice to cheer for your favorite players, but if they lose, why do people insist on saying that GSL doesn't mean anything? It's sort of dumb. | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On January 31 2012 22:57 hstq wrote: I think this Code A is really overrated .... A lot of foreigners would win both matches easy 2-0. Idra and Huk just played really bad, especially Idra. There was absolutely nothing special about those two koreans ... Losira played really bad too. It is all because of Idra and Huk are not at their best at all. There are many way better guys in EU and NA. Na, Code A is totally underrated. Most guys can take series off Code S players. The quality in Korea is not only high, but dense. Most people don't realize that. But Foreigners are not totally outmatched. Select and Sjow advanced, and they were/are not among the top foreigners. Idra and Huk are not on top of their game. Nani/Sase drew almost only PvZ. Top foreigners can compete in Code A. I hope Stephano or Kas would try it. | ||
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tapk69
Portugal264 Posts
The games today were not good macro games , but i still have to see Sen and July i did not see their games.. I hope GomTv gives spots to other foreigners , but i really dont see anyone capable doing well , maybe Naniwa . Everyone says the game is easier than BW but to be in GSL you really have to play 12+ hours a day like koreans and train against Koreans . I still hope that one day a young foreigner goes to Korea and crushes competition but for now i dont really see it . We need a 500+ APM foreigner | ||
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kurrysauce
272 Posts
On January 31 2012 23:01 Sareth wrote: I dont want to upset anyone, but i think Idra is super overrated. Sure, he was once a top notch player, but at the moment he has just disappointing games. He is not Code S Level, he is not the best foreigner, he isn't even the best US-Zerg anymore... Why does he still get hyped soo much? Is it because of the bad-boy image? Has nestea been winning anything recently? He lost to haypro at MLG and got 12th place overall. Last championship he had was July of lastyear. Still he is still noted as one of the best zergs in the world. Now , I'm not saying idra is top zerg level but his solid performances and placing throughout the entire of last year got him the hype he is receiving right now. You don't judge a player off a handful of games he played in 2 weeks. If nestea were to lose his next 2 series , would you go . "well he is so overrated , disappointing games , not even best zerg anymore , why does he get so hyped up?". I bet you wouldn't unless you are actually retarded. People are just hating on idra because they can and they will continue to do so. | ||
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hstq
Czech Republic26 Posts
On January 31 2012 23:01 ma70 wrote: Every foreigner gets smashed in the first round of Code A, and occasionally advances at least one more time before getting eliminated. Why do you feel Code A is overrated? Because your favorite players can't win in them? I am not fan of Idra at all. Huk seems to me as quite nice person, but i am not his biggest fan either. All I say is that level of games played today really disappointed me and I dont remember any good code A game. I am watching only occasionally, but I already saw like 15+ sets. I heard some commentator say that code A is nearly as tough as code S, but I really disagree. There is no foreigner who could compete with koreans for code S win, but I think there are few who could play completely equal games with every code A player. | ||
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
On January 31 2012 23:08 00Visor wrote: Na, Code A is totally underrated. Most guys can take series off Code S players. The quality in Korea is not only high, but dense. Most people don't realize that. But Foreigners are not totally outmatched. Select and Sjow advanced, and they were/are not among the top foreigners. Idra and Huk are not on top of their game. Nani/Sase drew almost only PvZ. Top foreigners can compete in Code A. I hope Stephano or Kas would try it. I agree with this sentiment entirely. Top Foreigners can definitely compete at the Code A level. Naniwa has luck comparable to Leenock when it comes to GSL opponents. I don't think there are any foreigners that can currently be called Code S level, but definitely code A. | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
On January 31 2012 23:10 kurrysauce wrote: Has nestea been winning anything recently? Ya, he kinda won his group. | ||
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ma70
253 Posts
On January 31 2012 23:11 hstq wrote: I am not fan of Idra at all. Huk seems to me as quite nice person, but i am not his biggest fan either. All I say is that level of games played today really disappointed me and I dont remember any good code A game. I am watching only occasionally, but I already saw like 15+ sets. I heard some commentator say that code A is nearly as tough as code S, but I really disagree. There is no foreigner who could compete with koreans for code S win, but I think there are few who could play completely equal games with every code A player. I agree with you in the sense that the "early" Code A games tend to be of crappy quality. I'm not gonna lie, I skip some of them COMPLETELY sometimes unless they get a lot of recommendations. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
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ma70
253 Posts
On January 31 2012 23:10 kurrysauce wrote: People are just hating on idra because they can and they will continue to do so. Well, idra pisses a lot of people off. He's a good player and his attitude is entertaining, but to most, annoying. His interviews are basically the same (whining). | ||
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
On January 31 2012 23:08 00Visor wrote: Na, Code A is totally underrated. Most guys can take series off Code S players. The quality in Korea is not only high, but dense. Most people don't realize that. But Foreigners are not totally outmatched. Select and Sjow advanced, and they were/are not among the top foreigners. Idra and Huk are not on top of their game. Nani/Sase drew almost only PvZ. Top foreigners can compete in Code A. I hope Stephano or Kas would try it. LOLs. Code A Koreans are seriously underrated. I mean, MC can lose to Mana just as easily can he lose to Monster. And just as Stephano can take games off a Code S player, no-name players like Sound can crush him. Same can be said of Idra. Even if top foreigners are equal to top Koreans, there's always an insane amount of depth in Korea and most foreigners would be hard-pressed to remain consistent enough to plow through 3 Koreans in Code A. | ||
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Sareth
Germany1008 Posts
On January 31 2012 23:07 ma70 wrote: Foreigners aren't bad....but they're being super hyped up. This isn't really a bad thing as it's nice to cheer for your favorite players, but if they lose, why do people insist on saying that GSL doesn't mean anything? It's sort of dumb. ^ this You're so right, everytime, when a foreigner wins anything, or even beats 1-2 jetlagged koreans, then he is instantly the best player in the world and would CRUSH his way through Code S. I really think there are a few foreigners, who would have a shot at Code A, maybe even Code S, just to throw some names into the room: Nerchio, Stephano, Kas, Thorzain, but even if they would play there, there is no need to cheer just for them, because there foreigners. Who cares if player XY comes from Europe, North America, Korea, or anywhere else? Why judge on Nationality and not on skill? | ||
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Deindar
United States302 Posts
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ma70
253 Posts
On January 31 2012 23:18 wklbishop wrote: LOLs. Code A Koreans are seriously underrated. I mean, MC can lose to Mana just as easily can he lose to Monster. And just as Stephano can take games off a Code S player, no-name players like Sound can crush him. Same can be said of Idra. Even if top foreigners are equal to top Koreans, there's always an insane amount of depth in Korea and most foreigners would be hard-pressed to remain consistent enough to plow through 3 Koreans in Code A. Well taking games off people is an impressive thing, but I like seeing consistency. Good players are consistently winning and that is what seperates them from the average players.....ie: IMMvP | ||
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Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
Who cares if player XY comes from Europe, North America, Korea, or anywhere else? Why judge on Nationality and not on skill? This is the foundation of how I decide who to follow / cheer for. (Skill > Nationality 99% of the time) | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On January 31 2012 23:22 Mycl wrote: Where is all this Idra hype some people keep eluding to in this thread. The way people are throwing the words overrated and over hyped around you would swear nothing else but Idra gets spoken about. Over on reddit Idra is getting ripped apart by the younger starcraft audience and he got some good backlash here in this thread as well. Im a common reader and poster in Idra's fanclub thread and even there we don't spout on how he is gonna roll through Code S and win. So where the heck is all this hype because so far I don't come across to many positive comments about the bloke All the people who say he is the "best foreigner Zerg" and how he has the "best mechanics of ANY Zerg" are statements from Idra fans on a daily basis. You can't go onto any thread about him without reading these things. Sorry for double post. >.> | ||
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