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Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
January 27 2012 17:16 GMT
#221
BO1 is utterly retarded compared to all kill format.

I watch ipl and not nasl for this reason

Hope for eg in the future
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CursedFeanor
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada539 Posts
January 27 2012 17:17 GMT
#222
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote:
A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.


Learn to count... BO7 = first team to 4 wins = 4 players per team is necessary. Either your 4 players loose and you loose the match or 1 to 4 of your guys separate wins to reach 4 wins and win the match.
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 17:26:00
January 27 2012 17:24 GMT
#223
On January 27 2012 14:02 storm44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 11:58 Al Bundy wrote:
What a failure... That match was the only one I was looking forward to. Talk about waste of time.
Thanks NASL for not announcing this issue beforehand.


not really surprised since they did this all the time in regular season with really hyped up matches saved last and don't announce anything even though the game wasn't played so they would keep viewers. really scumbag thing to do


This is where the whole "first world problems" idea is evident. Such a low threshold for scumbag-ness. Such a sheltered guy.

Big freaking whoop that they do this. And even if it was a "scumbag" thing, I think the organizers have done more than enough good things and that you really should stoofoo.
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 17:52:42
January 27 2012 17:28 GMT
#224
On January 28 2012 02:17 CursedFeanor wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote:
A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.


Learn to count... BO7 = first team to 4 wins = 4 players per team is necessary. Either your 4 players loose and you loose the match or 1 to 4 of your guys separate wins to reach 4 wins and win the match.


mikau is right. you need 7 (or 6 with ace) players in a non KoTH-style.
maybe you should use your brain before posting.
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Josh111
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States239 Posts
January 27 2012 17:38 GMT
#225
On January 28 2012 02:17 CursedFeanor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote:
A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.


Learn to count... BO7 = first team to 4 wins = 4 players per team is necessary. Either your 4 players loose and you loose the match or 1 to 4 of your guys separate wins to reach 4 wins and win the match.


lose not loose
StrikeNova
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada47 Posts
January 27 2012 17:42 GMT
#226
Wow just noticed that even in foreigner leagues, the majority of players are Koreans.
Speed of stupid is faster than speed of thought, which is proven when people type dumb stuff in chat
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
January 27 2012 17:51 GMT
#227
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote:
A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.


A best of 7 games requires 4 games to win, thus it requires for each team to have at least 4 players, not 7.
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
January 27 2012 18:19 GMT
#228
Log on stream, hear Gretorp stammer nonsensical bs, log off.
11 years and counting- TL #680
scr
Profile Joined May 2011
Hungary1025 Posts
January 27 2012 18:23 GMT
#229
these matchups s.. are not the best :/
Try again, fail better.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
January 27 2012 18:51 GMT
#230
Strange mech play by Demuslim.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Bocian
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland259 Posts
January 27 2012 18:56 GMT
#231
On January 28 2012 03:19 Monsen wrote:
Log on stream, hear Gretorp stammer nonsensical bs, log off.

ye I agree. Whenever I see him casting i just mute the stream...
philly5man
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom356 Posts
January 27 2012 18:57 GMT
#232
I do kinda feel like Gretorps casting isn't on a par with many of the other casters in the big leagues. Shame cos he seems lovely, but yeah, a fair few of the sentences don't even make sense. Maybe just a bad day?

Pretty anticlimactic too with what happened with Leenock and Idra.

Also, I'd prefer that they used the GSTL format, where you have winner stays on.

Moaned a lot in this post, bugger.
hatespam
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Romania161 Posts
January 27 2012 18:58 GMT
#233
of course idra's computer does not autosave reps. why would it do that?

they should request BOTH parties to send in reps or face some penalty.
ask, and you shall have asked
Shichoo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada118 Posts
January 27 2012 19:02 GMT
#234
I tuned in to the first 3 games just to hype myself up for the only match that I was interested in seeing and I am greatly disappointed.
@brixbeltran on Twitter. Follow me. ^____^
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 27 2012 19:50 GMT
#235
On January 27 2012 17:45 s4life wrote:
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On January 27 2012 13:20 The Final Boss wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:06 s4life wrote:
This format kinda sucks.. mirror matches, Bo5.. ah well

The mirror matches can't be helped, that's kind of inadvertent (other than the consistent PvP on TDA, but that's because it's a good choice for Protoss). Personally I love this format because it's the only one like Proleague and frankly there's a lot more strategy involved than the plethora of all-kill format leagues. I think that making it a Bo7 with the 7th set being an ace might be better, but I think that would put a lot of strain on some teams to even field six players. For a team like FXO (Lucky, Leenock, asd, Oz, Choya, GuMiho, etc.), but for teams like Mouz (who only has six players on their entire roster) it might be difficult to actually get all six in. I think that this format is fine, though I would like to see less mirrors...


proleague had also a winners league, which imho was the best part. In case of BW at least, coaches would send the same races according to the map due to perceived biases.. not sure if this happens in SC2 as well; if so, that would explain the propensity to having mirror matches in this format. Truly if a team doesn't have enough players then it shouldn't be in the tourney in the first place, there are plenty of teams that could fill in.

Finally, a Bo7 only requires FOUR players to win, not SEVEN. I think a Bo9 -- like IPTL -- is definitely better than this.

A Bo7 in the format that NASTL uses...
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 27 2012 20:15 GMT
#236
On January 27 2012 22:18 cyclone25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 12:02 Dexington wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:59 FauvFauv wrote:
wow nasl... just wow...


Because it's their fault?


1) If this was streamed live we could have seen the game.

2) I doubt that IdrA's computer didn't saved the replay. This isn't supposed to happen when your opponent disconnects from the game. NASL should have had a referee in that match for this reason. Also they needed a referee to check if Leenock's advantage was big enough to award him a win.

Nobody needed to determine if the advantage was big enough to award the win. Read what they wrote, it wasn't until after the game that the computer crashed. IdrA lost the game, then Leenock's computer crashed. At the same time, there should be somebody observing the game to get the replay and make sure that this sort of thing doesn't happen, but at the end of the day I wouldn't blame NASL for this, it's just an accident.


On January 27 2012 19:32 Veriol wrote:
4 seperate BO1s thats the most retarded format there can be .. I can understant BO7 last man standing style even though its still BO1 but this is just stupid so much luck invovled.

Why is everybody bashing on this format? I think I would like it more if it was a seven Bo1s with an ace match, but honestly this format is way more focused on the team. This format makes it easier for a "weak" player to perform the best he's ever done and have a huge impact. Bo7 would be better, but this format is great. And I really fail to see how there is more luck in this than an all-kill format tournament.

On January 28 2012 02:17 CursedFeanor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote:
A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.


Learn to count... BO7 = first team to 4 wins = 4 players per team is necessary. Either your 4 players loose and you loose the match or 1 to 4 of your guys separate wins to reach 4 wins and win the match.

Technically you could play in that format with 4 players but if any of them lost then you'd lose the match because you would forfeit three games. I don't understand why so many people have so much trouble understanding that, good God.
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 20:35:56
January 27 2012 20:34 GMT
#237
On January 28 2012 05:15 The Final Boss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 22:18 cyclone25 wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:02 Dexington wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:59 FauvFauv wrote:
wow nasl... just wow...


Because it's their fault?


1) If this was streamed live we could have seen the game.

2) I doubt that IdrA's computer didn't saved the replay. This isn't supposed to happen when your opponent disconnects from the game. NASL should have had a referee in that match for this reason. Also they needed a referee to check if Leenock's advantage was big enough to award him a win.

Nobody needed to determine if the advantage was big enough to award the win. Read what they wrote, it wasn't until after the game that the computer crashed. IdrA lost the game, then Leenock's computer crashed. At the same time, there should be somebody observing the game to get the replay and make sure that this sort of thing doesn't happen, but at the end of the day I wouldn't blame NASL for this, it's just an accident.


Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 19:32 Veriol wrote:
4 seperate BO1s thats the most retarded format there can be .. I can understant BO7 last man standing style even though its still BO1 but this is just stupid so much luck invovled.

Why is everybody bashing on this format? I think I would like it more if it was a seven Bo1s with an ace match, but honestly this format is way more focused on the team. This format makes it easier for a "weak" player to perform the best he's ever done and have a huge impact. Bo7 would be better, but this format is great. And I really fail to see how there is more luck in this than an all-kill format tournament.

Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 02:17 CursedFeanor wrote:
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote:
A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.


Learn to count... BO7 = first team to 4 wins = 4 players per team is necessary. Either your 4 players loose and you loose the match or 1 to 4 of your guys separate wins to reach 4 wins and win the match.

Technically you could play in that format with 4 players but if any of them lost then you'd lose the match because you would forfeit three games. I don't understand why so many people have so much trouble understanding that, good God.

the problem with the format is, that it is a Bo1 (imo). if there would be 4 sets with Bo3, fine with me. But 4 * Bo1??? It just doesn't really say much when it is a Bo1. If player A is beating player B in a Bo1, will i get the feelling that Player A (Team A) is a better player (Team)/ played better? No. Bo3 is not much better, but at least there exist a feelling for me that player A really defeated Player B.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
January 27 2012 20:48 GMT
#238
On January 28 2012 05:34 Hardigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 05:15 The Final Boss wrote:
On January 27 2012 22:18 cyclone25 wrote:
On January 27 2012 12:02 Dexington wrote:
On January 27 2012 11:59 FauvFauv wrote:
wow nasl... just wow...


Because it's their fault?


1) If this was streamed live we could have seen the game.

2) I doubt that IdrA's computer didn't saved the replay. This isn't supposed to happen when your opponent disconnects from the game. NASL should have had a referee in that match for this reason. Also they needed a referee to check if Leenock's advantage was big enough to award him a win.

Nobody needed to determine if the advantage was big enough to award the win. Read what they wrote, it wasn't until after the game that the computer crashed. IdrA lost the game, then Leenock's computer crashed. At the same time, there should be somebody observing the game to get the replay and make sure that this sort of thing doesn't happen, but at the end of the day I wouldn't blame NASL for this, it's just an accident.


On January 27 2012 19:32 Veriol wrote:
4 seperate BO1s thats the most retarded format there can be .. I can understant BO7 last man standing style even though its still BO1 but this is just stupid so much luck invovled.

Why is everybody bashing on this format? I think I would like it more if it was a seven Bo1s with an ace match, but honestly this format is way more focused on the team. This format makes it easier for a "weak" player to perform the best he's ever done and have a huge impact. Bo7 would be better, but this format is great. And I really fail to see how there is more luck in this than an all-kill format tournament.

On January 28 2012 02:17 CursedFeanor wrote:
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote:
A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.


Learn to count... BO7 = first team to 4 wins = 4 players per team is necessary. Either your 4 players loose and you loose the match or 1 to 4 of your guys separate wins to reach 4 wins and win the match.

Technically you could play in that format with 4 players but if any of them lost then you'd lose the match because you would forfeit three games. I don't understand why so many people have so much trouble understanding that, good God.

the problem with the format is, that it is a Bo1 (imo). if there would be 4 sets with Bo3, fine with me. But 4 * Bo1??? It just doesn't really say much when it is a Bo1. If player A is beating player B in a Bo1, will i get the feelling that Player A (Team A) is a better player (Team)/ played better? No. Bo3 is not much better, but at least there exist a feelling for me that player A really defeated Player B.

I agree that with the way SC2 works in comparison to BW having every set be a Bo3 would be better, but you have Bo1s in all-kill format too.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
January 27 2012 21:00 GMT
#239
On January 28 2012 05:15 The Final Boss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 02:17 CursedFeanor wrote:
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote:
A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.


Learn to count... BO7 = first team to 4 wins = 4 players per team is necessary. Either your 4 players loose and you loose the match or 1 to 4 of your guys separate wins to reach 4 wins and win the match.

Technically you could play in that format with 4 players but if any of them lost then you'd lose the match because you would forfeit three games. I don't understand why so many people have so much trouble understanding that, good God.


Not if the format lets the winner play on. NASL has it wrong any way you see it, they wanted to be different than IPTL I guess, but they came up with such an old formula which isn't exciting to watch.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
January 27 2012 21:06 GMT
#240
On January 28 2012 05:34 Hardigan wrote:
the problem with the format is, that it is a Bo1 (imo). if there would be 4 sets with Bo3, fine with me. But 4 * Bo1??? It just doesn't really say much when it is a Bo1. If player A is beating player B in a Bo1, will i get the feelling that Player A (Team A) is a better player (Team)/ played better? No. Bo3 is not much better, but at least there exist a feelling for me that player A really defeated Player B.


For team leagues it's ok to have Bo1s imho, more so if it's a winner's format. After all, what is tested in a team league is which team as a whole is stronger, not whether individual players are stronger than the other team's players..
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