- Best of 5 -- 4 BO1 1v1s -- If tied after all 4 games there is a BO3 Ace Match - Players are picked before the match is started and picked based on the given map - 7 Week Season - Top 4 are seeded into Playoffs
EG as a team seems to depend entirely on the mood of their players... Will DeMuslim and IdrA be up to preforming well? If so, they should win. Also, somewhat confused by Idra vs Leenock, but I guess they picked to map and not to player?
On January 26 2012 11:04 DYEAlabaster wrote: EG as a team seems to depend entirely on the mood of their players... Will DeMuslim and IdrA be up to preforming well? If so, they should win. Also, somewhat confused by Idra vs Leenock, but I guess they picked to map and not to player?
HuK for Ace match for suresies
They don't know players. You think FXO sent out all their players first so EG could pick their lineup or what?
The only way that makes sense is only knowing the map for your pick.
On January 26 2012 11:10 walklightwhat wrote: Yeah, I think 3-1 for FXO as well. Not a good start to the tournament for EG.
lol you are judging that it isn't a good start before they have even played? You could say tough startup match but you can't say they havn't done well when every one of those matches is winnable.
Anybody who follows Huk on twitter knows that he has had crazy computer problems and really hasn't been able to practice a lot. So I doubt he'll make an appearance.
This format where the teams don't know who's playing who kind of sucks. A big draw to GSTL is seeing who the coach will send out next. With this format, you may just well just string a bunch of ladder games in a row and call it a day.
On January 26 2012 13:13 mcgriffin wrote: wow really? I think EG's line-up already got meta-gamed (EG fan here)
sad to see IdrA not given the chance of performing his best match-up
That's funny, considering his opponent has better ZvT than him. I was actually thinking the direct opposite - I think FXO got shafted.
None of the FXO guys are playing their best matchups either. Lucky's strength is ZvP, Asd's strength is TvP, Leenock obviously ZvT, and who the hell knows about PvP anymore. The best matchups for FXO would be Asd/JYP, Leenock/Demuslim, Lucky/Puma, and Choya/Idra.
I think FXO isn't up to par due to KR-NA lag, but most of the matchups here should be on the KR server. that said, Puma and JYP will probably make it 2-0. Up to asd to take out DeMuslim and then Leenock to take out IdrA. Ace match is hopefully KR-KR so no lag issues there.
I agree that this format has flaws. Mainly because we have tons of mirrors if teams send players based on maps. Some loser-pick format work still work (loser picks player last and/or map).
Aahh so many mirror match ups! Should still be quite fun though. Interesting to see Choya playing in all these teamleague matches (IPL TAC, NASTL, GSTL). Hope he does well because it's always cool to see coaches owning it up and showing players how it's done.
Puma<Lucky -Not only is lucky an insane beast, but Bel'shir is a very good map for zerg in TvZ. Personally i'm suprised that we aren't seeing someone like Idra or perhaps a sacrificial Incontrol (sorry inc).
JYP>Choya -Choya just isn't that good, and definitely not the same level as JYP. Seems like an easy win for the EG toss, and feels like FXO were just throwing choya out to save a big hitter (kind of like what EG should've done for Bel'shir since Idra apparently has issues with ZvZ)
DeMuslim<asd -Demuslim just isn't up to snuff to face a mid-low tier Code S player. The thinness of EG's lineup kind of shows here-saving HuK for ace or him not playing to wait for his gsl games is really hurting the first 4 games.
Idra<Leenock -While ZvZ is traditionally coinflippy, Leenock is really good. REALLY good. Also of note is the fact that Idra got slugged in the GSL, which might make the difference between us seeing the gracken or seeing your average GM player.
Overall, EG's reliance on the Korean Factor is hurting them in this league-with HuK reserved for Ace match or not playing because of GSL, EG is limited to a mid tier korean terran, a high-mid tier korean protoss, and idra. Against a team like FXO, it will most definitely not be the deep enough to take the match, although they might push it to ace.
Edit:
winners league is way funner. This format sucks balls honestly its a crapshoot.
Uh, no, winners league is a crapshoot. While it would be better if it was 6+ace, it still emphasizes teams with depth over teams that only have a few top-tier players and are filled with mediocrity the rest of the way down (KT/EG).
On January 26 2012 14:08 Active.815 wrote: JYP>Choya -Choya just isn't that good, and definitely not the same level as JYP. Seems like an easy win for the EG toss, and feels like FXO were just throwing choya out to save a big hitter (kind of like what EG should've done for Bel'shir since Idra apparently has issues with ZvZ)
Choya has had some impressive showings in the smaller leagues like KSL and FXO Invitational #5, beating some good players like sC so I wouldn't count him out so quickly, especially in PvP.
I <3 Proleague format. I <3 Winners format. NASTL is awesome, IPL TAC is awesome. I would have to lend my favour to proleague formats though, as exciting as all-kills are I love the refinement of the proleague format more.
On January 26 2012 14:08 Active.815 wrote: EG 1<3 FXO
Puma<Lucky -Not only is lucky an insane beast, but Bel'shir is a very good map for zerg in TvZ. Personally i'm suprised that we aren't seeing someone like Idra or perhaps a sacrificial Incontrol (sorry inc).
JYP>Choya -Choya just isn't that good, and definitely not the same level as JYP. Seems like an easy win for the EG toss, and feels like FXO were just throwing choya out to save a big hitter (kind of like what EG should've done for Bel'shir since Idra apparently has issues with ZvZ)
DeMuslim<asd -Demuslim just isn't up to snuff to face a mid-low tier Code S player. The thinness of EG's lineup kind of shows here-saving HuK for ace or him not playing to wait for his gsl games is really hurting the first 4 games.
Idra<Leenock -While ZvZ is traditionally coinflippy, Leenock is really good. REALLY good. Also of note is the fact that Idra got slugged in the GSL, which might make the difference between us seeing the gracken or seeing your average GM player.
Overall, EG's reliance on the Korean Factor is hurting them in this league-with HuK reserved for Ace match or not playing because of GSL, EG is limited to a mid tier korean terran, a high-mid tier korean protoss, and idra. Against a team like FXO, it will most definitely not be the deep enough to take the match, although they might push it to ace.
winners league is way funner. This format sucks balls honestly its a crapshoot.
Uh, no, winners league is a crapshoot. While it would be better if it was 6+ace, it still emphasizes teams with depth over teams that only have a few top-tier players and are filled with mediocrity the rest of the way down (KT/EG).
its a crapshoot as in theres not much strategy involved with choosing players. It's just metagaming to see if your players get a favourable matchup on a favourable map. There just isn't much preparation that can be done by the player before match ups are revealed. Winners league allows teams to prepare snipes towards top players, and seeing a player win multiple times is far more thrilling.
Now all we get is idra facing yet another zerg, as if we hadn't seen enough with 2 zvz's from idra in the GSL already. I'm way looking forward to the IGN TAL over NASTL for this reason.
I won't be surprised if I am very wrong though... great players on both teams. I'm hoping for Demuslim to win, but asd had pretty good TvT success in the GSL.
On January 26 2012 15:45 minhbq299 wrote: no Gumiho, no Oz, not the best team for FXO maybe they try to save Code S player for strategic purpose.
Well I would agree that Gumiho and Oz are the strongest terran and protoss players on the team, but asd is probably the second best terran, and choya is their second best protoss so they aren't going easy on EG. Then again I'm kind of surprised Choya keeps showing up in team leagues.
anyone else really dislike the format? allkill format is much more entertaining imo... sure this one gives more exposure to the players but... its not quite the same
On January 26 2012 18:42 -Jacob- wrote: I can see Demuslim beating asd (That is if he is in the SlayerS house). Hopefully EG wins 3-1 with IdrA losing just because ZvZ such a toss up.
On January 26 2012 18:44 KAmaKAsa wrote: anyone else really dislike the format? allkill format is much more entertaining imo... sure this one gives more exposure to the players but... its not quite the same
No. Almost all the other team leagues are already in the WL format.
Leave this one to the few of us that miss the PL in SC2. -_-
should be a good game, still think FXO will win. If Idra or Demuslim mamange to somehow win then every cahnce JYP and Puma can win, overall though I cant see Idra or demuslim winning!!
Idra must be practicing ZvZ like crazy. Demuslim is pretty good when he is on his best, and ASD only took out Illusion barely, pretty close game, and Demuslim can be better than Illusion.
JYP have a pretty good chance, as does Puma.
I think this will go to an Ace match, and the Ace player will depend on the actual results. If Idra wins, he is Ace, else it is JYP, IMO.
On January 26 2012 18:42 -Jacob- wrote: I can see Demuslim beating asd (That is if he is in the SlayerS house). Hopefully EG wins 3-1 with IdrA losing just because ZvZ such a toss up.
since its a toss up shouldnt leenock have an equal chance of losing? how come the toss up always works against idra?
On January 26 2012 20:24 Jotoco wrote: Vile gave FXO a run for it's money yesterday.
I don't think this will be one-sided at all.
Idra must be practicing ZvZ like crazy. Demuslim is pretty good when he is on his best, and ASD only took out Illusion barely, pretty close game, and Demuslim can be better than Illusion.
JYP have a pretty good chance, as does Puma.
I think this will go to an Ace match, and the Ace player will depend on the actual results. If Idra wins, he is Ace, else it is JYP, IMO.
On January 26 2012 20:24 Jotoco wrote: Vile gave FXO a run for it's money yesterday.
I don't think this will be one-sided at all.
Idra must be practicing ZvZ like crazy. Demuslim is pretty good when he is on his best, and ASD only took out Illusion barely, pretty close game, and Demuslim can be better than Illusion.
JYP have a pretty good chance, as does Puma.
I think this will go to an Ace match, and the Ace player will depend on the actual results. If Idra wins, he is Ace, else it is JYP, IMO.
I 3-0'd demuslim to qualify for iem sao paolo
Oh, right....
I will try to go there (since I am in Rio de Janeiro and it is only about 450Km away).
And, to be fair, Demuslim really CAN be better than you, but he seems to be inconsistent and you're shaping up to be really consistent.
On January 26 2012 20:24 Jotoco wrote: Vile gave FXO a run for it's money yesterday.
I don't think this will be one-sided at all.
Idra must be practicing ZvZ like crazy. Demuslim is pretty good when he is on his best, and ASD only took out Illusion barely, pretty close game, and Demuslim can be better than Illusion.
JYP have a pretty good chance, as does Puma.
I think this will go to an Ace match, and the Ace player will depend on the actual results. If Idra wins, he is Ace, else it is JYP, IMO.
On January 26 2012 20:24 Jotoco wrote: Vile gave FXO a run for it's money yesterday.
I don't think this will be one-sided at all.
Idra must be practicing ZvZ like crazy. Demuslim is pretty good when he is on his best, and ASD only took out Illusion barely, pretty close game, and Demuslim can be better than Illusion.
JYP have a pretty good chance, as does Puma.
I think this will go to an Ace match, and the Ace player will depend on the actual results. If Idra wins, he is Ace, else it is JYP, IMO.
I 3-0'd demuslim to qualify for iem sao paolo
you seem to be forgetting i was sick, but ok.
Should have asked Incontrol to smash that sickness!
On January 26 2012 20:24 Jotoco wrote: Vile gave FXO a run for it's money yesterday.
I don't think this will be one-sided at all.
Idra must be practicing ZvZ like crazy. Demuslim is pretty good when he is on his best, and ASD only took out Illusion barely, pretty close game, and Demuslim can be better than Illusion.
JYP have a pretty good chance, as does Puma.
I think this will go to an Ace match, and the Ace player will depend on the actual results. If Idra wins, he is Ace, else it is JYP, IMO.
On January 26 2012 20:24 Jotoco wrote: Vile gave FXO a run for it's money yesterday.
I don't think this will be one-sided at all.
Idra must be practicing ZvZ like crazy. Demuslim is pretty good when he is on his best, and ASD only took out Illusion barely, pretty close game, and Demuslim can be better than Illusion.
JYP have a pretty good chance, as does Puma.
I think this will go to an Ace match, and the Ace player will depend on the actual results. If Idra wins, he is Ace, else it is JYP, IMO.
I 3-0'd demuslim to qualify for iem sao paolo
you seem to be forgetting i was sick, but ok.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!
Demuslim was raging pretty hard during that match, so you never know.
On January 26 2012 20:24 Jotoco wrote: Vile gave FXO a run for it's money yesterday.
I don't think this will be one-sided at all.
Idra must be practicing ZvZ like crazy. Demuslim is pretty good when he is on his best, and ASD only took out Illusion barely, pretty close game, and Demuslim can be better than Illusion.
JYP have a pretty good chance, as does Puma.
I think this will go to an Ace match, and the Ace player will depend on the actual results. If Idra wins, he is Ace, else it is JYP, IMO.
I 3-0'd demuslim to qualify for iem sao paolo
you seem to be forgetting i was sick, but ok.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!
Demuslim was raging pretty hard during that match, so you never know.
I'm totally serious. And I'd root for VileIllusion; he's American, on the rise, and DeMu just never emerged to be the force I thought he was going to be. And DeMu is always sick.
On January 26 2012 20:24 Jotoco wrote: Vile gave FXO a run for it's money yesterday.
I don't think this will be one-sided at all.
Idra must be practicing ZvZ like crazy. Demuslim is pretty good when he is on his best, and ASD only took out Illusion barely, pretty close game, and Demuslim can be better than Illusion.
JYP have a pretty good chance, as does Puma.
I think this will go to an Ace match, and the Ace player will depend on the actual results. If Idra wins, he is Ace, else it is JYP, IMO.
I 3-0'd demuslim to qualify for iem sao paolo
you seem to be forgetting i was sick, but ok.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!
Demuslim was raging pretty hard during that match, so you never know.
I'm totally serious. And I'd root for VileIllusion; he's American, on the rise, and DeMu just never emerged to be the force I thought he was going to be. And DeMu is always sick.
I had no idea who this vileIllusion guy was until this post. Highly doubt he's on the rise.
On January 26 2012 20:24 Jotoco wrote: Vile gave FXO a run for it's money yesterday.
I don't think this will be one-sided at all.
Idra must be practicing ZvZ like crazy. Demuslim is pretty good when he is on his best, and ASD only took out Illusion barely, pretty close game, and Demuslim can be better than Illusion.
JYP have a pretty good chance, as does Puma.
I think this will go to an Ace match, and the Ace player will depend on the actual results. If Idra wins, he is Ace, else it is JYP, IMO.
I 3-0'd demuslim to qualify for iem sao paolo
you seem to be forgetting i was sick, but ok.
The thing is, you always seem to be sick or injured. I'm not trying to be mean, but that's always your fall back excuse for under performing, relative to fans expectations.
On January 26 2012 20:24 Jotoco wrote: Vile gave FXO a run for it's money yesterday.
I don't think this will be one-sided at all.
Idra must be practicing ZvZ like crazy. Demuslim is pretty good when he is on his best, and ASD only took out Illusion barely, pretty close game, and Demuslim can be better than Illusion.
JYP have a pretty good chance, as does Puma.
I think this will go to an Ace match, and the Ace player will depend on the actual results. If Idra wins, he is Ace, else it is JYP, IMO.
I 3-0'd demuslim to qualify for iem sao paolo
you seem to be forgetting i was sick, but ok.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!
Demuslim was raging pretty hard during that match, so you never know.
I'm totally serious. And I'd root for VileIllusion; he's American, on the rise, and DeMu just never emerged to be the force I thought he was going to be. And DeMu is always sick.
I had no idea who this vileIllusion guy was until this post. Highly doubt he's on the rise.
You don't pay attention enough. Watch IEM Sao Paulo next month, he'll be there.
On January 26 2012 20:24 Jotoco wrote: Vile gave FXO a run for it's money yesterday.
I don't think this will be one-sided at all.
Idra must be practicing ZvZ like crazy. Demuslim is pretty good when he is on his best, and ASD only took out Illusion barely, pretty close game, and Demuslim can be better than Illusion.
JYP have a pretty good chance, as does Puma.
I think this will go to an Ace match, and the Ace player will depend on the actual results. If Idra wins, he is Ace, else it is JYP, IMO.
I 3-0'd demuslim to qualify for iem sao paolo
you seem to be forgetting i was sick, but ok.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!
Demuslim was raging pretty hard during that match, so you never know.
I'm totally serious. And I'd root for VileIllusion; he's American, on the rise, and DeMu just never emerged to be the force I thought he was going to be. And DeMu is always sick.
I had no idea who this vileIllusion guy was until this post. Highly doubt he's on the rise.
You don't pay attention enough. Watch IEM Sao Paulo next month, he'll be there.
he'll be there but what will he do?
qualifying for iem is on the rise? look at his bracket at the qualifier.... only good player was demu and he was sick that day
On January 26 2012 20:24 Jotoco wrote: Vile gave FXO a run for it's money yesterday.
I don't think this will be one-sided at all.
Idra must be practicing ZvZ like crazy. Demuslim is pretty good when he is on his best, and ASD only took out Illusion barely, pretty close game, and Demuslim can be better than Illusion.
JYP have a pretty good chance, as does Puma.
I think this will go to an Ace match, and the Ace player will depend on the actual results. If Idra wins, he is Ace, else it is JYP, IMO.
I 3-0'd demuslim to qualify for iem sao paolo
you seem to be forgetting i was sick, but ok.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!
Demuslim was raging pretty hard during that match, so you never know.
I'm totally serious. And I'd root for VileIllusion; he's American, on the rise, and DeMu just never emerged to be the force I thought he was going to be. And DeMu is always sick.
I had no idea who this vileIllusion guy was until this post. Highly doubt he's on the rise.
You don't pay attention enough. Watch IEM Sao Paulo next month, he'll be there.
he'll be there but what will he do?
qualifying for iem is on the rise? look at his bracket at the qualifier.... only good player was demu and he was sick that day
Did you look at the bracket? Violet, Ddoro, Trimaster, Demuslim, KawaiiRice, Ret, qxc, Axslav, Slush.
That's about as stacked as an NA qualifier can get without Kiwikaki, Huk and Idra.
Do apologize, working on it. And while the excuse of being sick has been thrown around a little more than it should, a lot of my reasons for not attending events have been completely skewed. Injuries happened in february and march 2011 - which was a broken elbow and knuckles (even that got skewed and a lot of people said wrists) as for not attending events recently, i missed 1 event due to health which was HSC4. I do plan on attending events and doing well, but "always being sick" being thrown around over the course of being ill for a 2 week stint, i don't really deem fair, when it's never happened before.
On January 27 2012 06:37 ratzp0li wrote: Leenock would wreck anybody on EG, just like he did at Providence.
Idra, Huk, Puma? Code A(seeded lol), Code A, Code B EZ
let's not get started about Oz and Gumiho and Asd. All code s level, all looking for blood. EG's gonna get destroyed, plain and simple
You do realize that just last week in the korean weekly, Huk beat Gumiho (and forgg) and Puma beat asd and lost 2-1 against leenock right?
People need to stop assuming that there is a giant gap between players just because they are not in the same GSL tournament. Puma has a positive record against most of the players from code S he faced.
On January 27 2012 06:37 ratzp0li wrote: Leenock would wreck anybody on EG, just like he did at Providence.
Idra, Huk, Puma? Code A(seeded lol), Code A, Code B EZ
let's not get started about Oz and Gumiho and Asd. All code s level, all looking for blood. EG's gonna get destroyed, plain and simple
You do realize that just last week in the korean weekly, Huk beat Gumiho (and forgg) and Puma beat asd and lost 2-1 against leenock right?
People need to stop assuming that there is a giant gap between players just because they are not in the same GSL tournament. Puma has a positive record against most of the players from code S he faced.
So then why doesn't totally random stuff happen much in GSL when it happens on ladder/minor online tournaments all the time?
On January 27 2012 06:37 ratzp0li wrote: Leenock would wreck anybody on EG, just like he did at Providence.
Idra, Huk, Puma? Code A(seeded lol), Code A, Code B EZ
let's not get started about Oz and Gumiho and Asd. All code s level, all looking for blood. EG's gonna get destroyed, plain and simple
You do realize that just last week in the korean weekly, Huk beat Gumiho (and forgg) and Puma beat asd and lost 2-1 against leenock right?
People need to stop assuming that there is a giant gap between players just because they are not in the same GSL tournament. Puma has a positive record against most of the players from code S he faced.
So then why doesn't totally random stuff happen much in GSL when it happens on ladder/minor online tournaments all the time?
Upsets happen all the time... SC2 is really that volatile... Random stuff does happen a good deal in GSL, bad players get through...
And well.. idk why people say that Demuslim keeps falling back on sick excuses because gosh breaking my arm and not practicing a game for 6 months is a really damn valid excuse...
On January 26 2012 20:24 Jotoco wrote: Vile gave FXO a run for it's money yesterday.
I don't think this will be one-sided at all.
Idra must be practicing ZvZ like crazy. Demuslim is pretty good when he is on his best, and ASD only took out Illusion barely, pretty close game, and Demuslim can be better than Illusion.
JYP have a pretty good chance, as does Puma.
I think this will go to an Ace match, and the Ace player will depend on the actual results. If Idra wins, he is Ace, else it is JYP, IMO.
I 3-0'd demuslim to qualify for iem sao paolo
you seem to be forgetting i was sick, but ok.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!
Demuslim was raging pretty hard during that match, so you never know.
I'm totally serious. And I'd root for VileIllusion; he's American, on the rise, and DeMu just never emerged to be the force I thought he was going to be. And DeMu is always sick.
I had no idea who this vileIllusion guy was until this post. Highly doubt he's on the rise.
You don't pay attention enough. Watch IEM Sao Paulo next month, he'll be there.
he'll be there but what will he do?
qualifying for iem is on the rise? look at his bracket at the qualifier.... only good player was demu and he was sick that day
PuMa and Lucky are both pretty even at this match-up, but Bel'Shir Beach is a good map for Zerg. As long as Lucky watches for that 2 Rax that a lot of players like on this map, he should be able to win.
PvP on Tal'Darim Altar means 4 Gate vs 4 Gate. The lack of deviation on this map makes me think that it either comes down to skill or luck. JYP is the better player. Choya could win, he's a great player, but it seems highly unlikely.
DeMuslim is good, but asd has great TvT. DeMuslim's TvT isn't as good, so I wouldn't really expect to see him win. Also, his performance against Beastyqt last week was really disappointing. I just don't think that he has what it takes to take down a player as good as asd.
Both of these players are really good at the match-up, but Leenock has a better understanding of the game. IdrA is a great player, but Leenock is a Code S level Zerg with fantastic ZvZ. Other than maybe NesTea, DRG, or Zenio, I'm not sure that there are a lot of Zergs with better ZvZ than Leenock, so I definitely think that he should take this.
EDIT: Idra fanboys are wrong, Leenock will win.
3-1 FXO Way too many mirror match-ups TT
I wish that we could get more deviation in the matches. The Tal'Darim Altar one is not that surprising, as it's a good map for Protoss and if you're confident in your Protoss player's ability then he can win a PvP there. The rest of these maps feel like they're not explored enough to really make a definitive choice of which race is "best," so I guess these mirrors are just luck.
EDIT: I'm surprised to see Choya playing over Oz. Maybe that's just because Oz is busy, but I think that FXO would have a way better shot if Oz were playing. I feel like Choya as the coach already is busy too though, so it seems odd.
My guess is both teams submit their list of players without knowing the other list... I think EG got out-coached (lucked). I think switching Puma & JYP would be much better for EG.
On January 27 2012 11:17 -_- wrote: Is anybody else getting sporadic commercials on twitch? This has happened to me several times during several different events...
Clearing your cache could help solve this problem if you watch a lot of streams. Flash can start to glitch, crash and restart streams by itself, cause the commercial to get prompted.
CCleaner is a good program for general clean up of your computer's temporary files.
On January 27 2012 11:17 -_- wrote: Is anybody else getting sporadic commercials on twitch? This has happened to me several times during several different events...
Clearing your cache could help solve this problem if you watch a lot of streams. Flash can start to glitch, crash and restart streams by itself, cause the commercial to get prompted.
the colors in the stream look horribly greyish - I have the IPL and the NASL stream open simultaneously and it's a world of difference, you really want to fix that (and no, it's no my monitor)
DeMu is gas starved, I'm surprised he didn't get a raven/banshee early game while meching, he usually favors air superiority, but wasn't agressive enough to make the gas he spent in vikings early on worth it, interesting build though reminds me of the hellion/viking phase in tvt
Here comes the BC switch, I doubt DeMusliM will be able to keep up with asd's sp production, he has 1 shot at this do disable his production
gg, pretty close game for a while, I wonder if the spawns favored bio, asd could just expand laterally with no real backlash from DeMu, feel like a split map would allow mech more of a chance. Unfortunate to see bio win again =(
What a failure... That match was the only one I was looking forward to. Talk about waste of time. Thanks NASL for not announcing this issue beforehand.
Everything went as predicted if you went on recent results. This couldn't have been a more predictable result, and the only question mark I had was the PvP because it is PvP and Choya is quite good despite not being in GSL at the moment.
On January 27 2012 11:58 songohan wrote: imagine if idra cursed when he lost and they didndt want to show us the replay because of that. this is just a thought, don't take it seriously.
Haha. That could be true. What are the chances that Leenock computer crashes after a win and Idra not having the replay?
Some one mentioned that yesterday Idra told Polt to go F himself after a 0-3 loss. Not surprising...
On January 27 2012 11:59 bennyaus wrote: Everything went as predicted if you went on recent results. This couldn't have been a more predictable result, and the only question mark I had was the PvP because it is PvP and Choya is quite good despite not being in GSL at the moment.
I sincerely think Puma's TvZ is better than Lucky's ZvT, and that game didn't do anything to change my mind.
Really wish NASL could catch a break once in awhile. First having mirror match ups and more mirror match ups and now a mirror everyone would like to see and it cant be shown
On January 27 2012 11:05 MisterFred wrote: Gretorp: "...not even arguably the best RTS out there.. its just the best one... now we have arguably two of the best teams..."
On January 27 2012 11:58 Al Bundy wrote: What a failure... That match was the only one I was looking forward to. Talk about waste of time. Thanks NASL for not announcing this issue beforehand.
This, at least someone in the production crew must have watched and said "hey, this is not right".
On January 27 2012 11:59 FauvFauv wrote: wow nasl... just wow...
Because it's their fault?
It's their fault for announcing it at the very end of the cast and then quickly ending the stream.
Why couldn't they announce it at the beginning of the cast? People will still be pissed, but if there are people waiting for the IdrA/Leenock game they will know that it won't be shown.
Honestly I don't know if NASL is bad or just really really unlucky. Their ideas seem great but the execution isn't really as great.
On January 27 2012 11:59 FauvFauv wrote: wow nasl... just wow...
Because it's their fault?
This. It's 100% not their fault as you cannot control theses kinds of things. A regame for a game that was won is really shitty for Leenock so NASL made the correct decision.
NASL probably could've saved a lot of community hate if they had the lost match first, so they'd still have some suspense. They're productions have no luck.
On January 27 2012 11:58 songohan wrote: imagine if idra cursed when he lost and they didndt want to show us the replay because of that. this is just a thought, don't take it seriously.
Haha. That could be true. What are the chances that Leenock computer crashes after a win and Idra not having the replay?
Some one mentioned that yesterday Idra told Polt to go F himself after a 0-3 loss. Not surprising...
I do find it weird that Idra didn't have the replay, but I highly doubt they would not show it due to that. It hasn't stopped other organizations before, and if anything it would probably attract more attention. Hell, NASL continued to show the replay of when Naniwa dissed them before leaving.
On January 27 2012 11:59 FauvFauv wrote: wow nasl... just wow...
Because it's their fault?
It's their fault for announcing it at the very end of the cast and then quickly ending the stream.
Why couldn't they announce it at the beginning of the cast? People will still be pissed, but if there are people waiting for the IdrA/Leenock game they will know that it won't be shown.
Honestly I don't know if NASL is bad or just really really unlucky. Their ideas seem great but the execution isn't really as great.
You're aware that saying that game even had to be played would be saying that there wasn't a sweep?
I guess they could get around that by putting that match first.
On January 27 2012 11:59 FauvFauv wrote: wow nasl... just wow...
Because it's their fault?
It's their fault for announcing it at the very end of the cast and then quickly ending the stream.
Why couldn't they announce it at the beginning of the cast? People will still be pissed, but if there are people waiting for the IdrA/Leenock game they will know that it won't be shown.
Honestly I don't know if NASL is bad or just really really unlucky. Their ideas seem great but the execution isn't really as great.
You're aware that saying that game even had to be played would be saying that there wasn't a sweep?
I guess they could get around that by putting that match first.
Bingo. They just played the viewer card and it's going to bite them in the ass when people just don't tune in to begin with because they aren't upfront about shit like this.
On January 27 2012 11:59 bennyaus wrote: Everything went as predicted if you went on recent results. This couldn't have been a more predictable result, and the only question mark I had was the PvP because it is PvP and Choya is quite good despite not being in GSL at the moment.
I sincerely think Puma's TvZ is better than Lucky's ZvT, and that game didn't do anything to change my mind.
That was definitely the closest of them all, but Lucky has to be one of the most underrated players going around (same with asd and Gumiho, actually) and the fact he was Code S and Puma can't even break into Code A says it all for me.
PuMa and Lucky are both pretty even at this match-up, but Bel'Shir Beach is a good map for Zerg. As long as Lucky watches for that 2 Rax that a lot of players like on this map, he should be able to win.
PvP on Tal'Darim Altar means 4 Gate vs 4 Gate. The lack of deviation on this map makes me think that it either comes down to skill or luck. JYP is the better player. Choya could win, he's a great player, but it seems highly unlikely.
DeMuslim is good, but asd has great TvT. DeMuslim's TvT isn't as good, so I wouldn't really expect to see him win. Also, his performance against Beastyqt last week was really disappointing. I just don't think that he has what it takes to take down a player as good as asd.
Both of these players are really good at the match-up, but Leenock has a better understanding of the game. IdrA is a great player, but Leenock is a Code S level Zerg with fantastic ZvZ. Other than maybe NesTea, DRG, or Zenio, I'm not sure that there are a lot of Zergs with better ZvZ than Leenock, so I definitely think that he should take this.
EDIT: Idra fanboys are wrong, Leenock will win.
3-1 FXO Way too many mirror match-ups TT
I wish that we could get more deviation in the matches. The Tal'Darim Altar one is not that surprising, as it's a good map for Protoss and if you're confident in your Protoss player's ability then he can win a PvP there. The rest of these maps feel like they're not explored enough to really make a definitive choice of which race is "best," so I guess these mirrors are just luck.
EDIT: I'm surprised to see Choya playing over Oz. Maybe that's just because Oz is busy, but I think that FXO would have a way better shot if Oz were playing. I feel like Choya as the coach already is busy too though, so it seems odd.
I feel bad about the NASL. Having to compete in the same time-slot as the IPL TAC2, they are just going to be driven out. IPL has the better quality production and the top Korean teams in their tournament, as well as a larger prize pool and more hype. The NASL should not be trying to butt heads with IPL right now.
They do not really have much choice, but it is unfortunate that they have to broadcast while IPL and the day9 daily are on.
On January 27 2012 13:06 s4life wrote: This format kinda sucks.. mirror matches, Bo5.. ah well
The mirror matches can't be helped, that's kind of inadvertent (other than the consistent PvP on TDA, but that's because it's a good choice for Protoss). Personally I love this format because it's the only one like Proleague and frankly there's a lot more strategy involved than the plethora of all-kill format leagues. I think that making it a Bo7 with the 7th set being an ace might be better, but I think that would put a lot of strain on some teams to even field six players. For a team like FXO (Lucky, Leenock, asd, Oz, Choya, GuMiho, etc.), but for teams like Mouz (who only has six players on their entire roster) it might be difficult to actually get all six in. I think that this format is fine, though I would like to see less mirrors...
PuMa and Lucky are both pretty even at this match-up, but Bel'Shir Beach is a good map for Zerg. As long as Lucky watches for that 2 Rax that a lot of players like on this map, he should be able to win.
PvP on Tal'Darim Altar means 4 Gate vs 4 Gate. The lack of deviation on this map makes me think that it either comes down to skill or luck. JYP is the better player. Choya could win, he's a great player, but it seems highly unlikely.
DeMuslim is good, but asd has great TvT. DeMuslim's TvT isn't as good, so I wouldn't really expect to see him win. Also, his performance against Beastyqt last week was really disappointing. I just don't think that he has what it takes to take down a player as good as asd.
Both of these players are really good at the match-up, but Leenock has a better understanding of the game. IdrA is a great player, but Leenock is a Code S level Zerg with fantastic ZvZ. Other than maybe NesTea, DRG, or Zenio, I'm not sure that there are a lot of Zergs with better ZvZ than Leenock, so I definitely think that he should take this.
EDIT: Idra fanboys are wrong, Leenock will win.
3-1 FXO Way too many mirror match-ups TT
I wish that we could get more deviation in the matches. The Tal'Darim Altar one is not that surprising, as it's a good map for Protoss and if you're confident in your Protoss player's ability then he can win a PvP there. The rest of these maps feel like they're not explored enough to really make a definitive choice of which race is "best," so I guess these mirrors are just luck.
EDIT: I'm surprised to see Choya playing over Oz. Maybe that's just because Oz is busy, but I think that FXO would have a way better shot if Oz were playing. I feel like Choya as the coach already is busy too though, so it seems odd.
On January 27 2012 13:06 s4life wrote: This format kinda sucks.. mirror matches, Bo5.. ah well
The mirror matches can't be helped, that's kind of inadvertent (other than the consistent PvP on TDA, but that's because it's a good choice for Protoss). ... I think that this format is fine, though I would like to see less mirrors...
Incorrect. The format precipitates the mirror match ups. Both teams get the map list and then choose who to play on what map without knowing who the other team is going to pick. If maps have a perceived bias by the bulk of the teams that bias is going to usually result in a Mirror MU.
On January 27 2012 13:06 s4life wrote: This format kinda sucks.. mirror matches, Bo5.. ah well
The mirror matches can't be helped, that's kind of inadvertent (other than the consistent PvP on TDA, but that's because it's a good choice for Protoss). Personally I love this format because it's the only one like Proleague and frankly there's a lot more strategy involved than the plethora of all-kill format leagues. I think that making it a Bo7 with the 7th set being an ace might be better, but I think that would put a lot of strain on some teams to even field six players. For a team like FXO (Lucky, Leenock, asd, Oz, Choya, GuMiho, etc.), but for teams like Mouz (who only has six players on their entire roster) it might be difficult to actually get all six in. I think that this format is fine, though I would like to see less mirrors...
The prevalence of mirrors is a result of the format. When you know the map but don't know the opponent, the best odds are to put out a player of the race that does well on that map (worst case you get the mirror, best case you get a favourable matchup). Both teams do this and you get a mirror. There's the possibility of metagaming (eg putting out a Terran on a Zerg-favoured map just because you know he's good at beating the opposing team's best Zerg) but it doesn't seem to be the norm.
On January 27 2012 13:06 s4life wrote: This format kinda sucks.. mirror matches, Bo5.. ah well
The mirror matches can't be helped, that's kind of inadvertent (other than the consistent PvP on TDA, but that's because it's a good choice for Protoss). ... I think that this format is fine, though I would like to see less mirrors...
Incorrect. The format precipitates the mirror match ups. Both teams get the map list and then choose who to play on what map without knowing who the other team is going to pick. If maps have a perceived bias by the bulk of the teams that bias is going to usually result in a Mirror MU.
Edit: Grammar.
Except that they get the map list and then you have to choose who goes out where. Sure, one map might favor a race, but if you can expect them to play a certain race there, you can put out a sniper. Also, on maps like TDA, Zerg is good against Terran, but Protoss is good against Zerg. Therefore, you can play a Z if you expect a T, but if you go Z and they go P, then you could be in trouble. That's the beauty of this format. Sniping is a real strategy as opposed to in all-kill format where it generally comes down to who has the better last man standing (which is a lot less team oriented). It means that the team has to make a lot more strategical decisions as opposed to all-kill format.
Plus a lot of maps don't have real definitive "best races." Yes there are some (such as TDA) but in a lot of ways maps aren't nearly as defined as maps in Brood War. There are maps that favor one race, but look at TPW Artifice. I honestly doubt that EG and FXO both came to the conclusion that Artifice was a Terran favored map because neither probably has much experience playing on it (also from what I've seen of it it doesn't really stick out as being Terran favored). Then you have Antiga. Now I don't know about you, but ZvT is a nightmare on Antiga and ZvP can be really tough too. Yet both teams decided to send out Zergs.
They use this style for PL, but we don't always see mirrors. And frankly, the maps in BW are a lot more defined as far as which race is good where and in what match-up. So if it can work there, it can definitely work in SC2.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that this format does not really cause mirror match-ups but rather this was just a coincidence.
On January 27 2012 13:06 s4life wrote: This format kinda sucks.. mirror matches, Bo5.. ah well
The mirror matches can't be helped, that's kind of inadvertent (other than the consistent PvP on TDA, but that's because it's a good choice for Protoss). ... I think that this format is fine, though I would like to see less mirrors...
Incorrect. The format precipitates the mirror match ups. Both teams get the map list and then choose who to play on what map without knowing who the other team is going to pick. If maps have a perceived bias by the bulk of the teams that bias is going to usually result in a Mirror MU.
Edit: Grammar.
false.
There will always be mirrior matches, but good coaches should look at it like this. Protoss will be put on TD so im going to put our protoss killer for the snipe.
Well, in your taldarim example, you just put a P to be good against everyone. That's what happened here. I don't think foreign coaches think about this, in fact I'm pretty sure they don't even have a coach so it's the players who choose their maps sadly. This format in PL, live, with experienced coaches works well (but still produce a good amount of mirrors, even tho sniping and Xth level thinking happens very often), but here, I'm not even sure the matches are played in order, or even played the same day, and I don't think there is any strategic coaching behind the lineup.
On the international TLPD, Antiga has a 60% winrate for ZvT and a 69% winrate for ZvP. Tal'Darim is 52% PvZ and 54% PvT. I think it's safe to say that both teams just played the numbers there. Bel'Shir is historically Zerg-favoured but I'm guessing that EG figured that PuMa would just win anyway. edit: also EG's next-best Zerg is Machine.
On January 27 2012 11:58 Al Bundy wrote: What a failure... That match was the only one I was looking forward to. Talk about waste of time. Thanks NASL for not announcing this issue beforehand.
not really surprised since they did this all the time in regular season with really hyped up matches saved last and don't announce anything even though the game wasn't played so they would keep viewers. really scumbag thing to do
Heres generally how online team leagues go due to scheduling and time constraints..
<Who is the competition> <Good or bad? who are likely players?>
<Pick 4 players who can beat the likely players>
<ask 4 players what map they want>
<play>
Map strategy on online tournaments isnt really applicable because of the timings etc. It basically comes down to the players deciding what map they want to play. At least in FXO's case.
If the match was a final, we would strategise accordingly what strat on what map and whats the map stats. How we can lose that map vs what watch up etc etcetc ... I am quite sure other teams are doing the same thing.
On January 27 2012 14:04 FXOpen wrote: I think you guys are over thinking things.
Heres generally how online team leagues go due to scheduling and time constraints..
<Who is the competition> <Good or bad? who are likely players?>
<Pick 4 players who can beat the likely players>
<ask 4 players what map they want>
<play>
Map strategy on online tournaments isnt really applicable because of the timings etc. It basically comes down to the players deciding what map they want to play. At least in FXO's case.
If the match was a final, we would strategise accordingly what strat on what map and whats the map stats. How we can lose that map vs what watch up etc etcetc ... I am quite sure other teams are doing the same thing.
On January 27 2012 13:06 s4life wrote: This format kinda sucks.. mirror matches, Bo5.. ah well
The mirror matches can't be helped, that's kind of inadvertent (other than the consistent PvP on TDA, but that's because it's a good choice for Protoss). Personally I love this format because it's the only one like Proleague and frankly there's a lot more strategy involved than the plethora of all-kill format leagues. I think that making it a Bo7 with the 7th set being an ace might be better, but I think that would put a lot of strain on some teams to even field six players. For a team like FXO (Lucky, Leenock, asd, Oz, Choya, GuMiho, etc.), but for teams like Mouz (who only has six players on their entire roster) it might be difficult to actually get all six in. I think that this format is fine, though I would like to see less mirrors...
proleague had also a winners league, which imho was the best part. In case of BW at least, coaches would send the same races according to the map due to perceived biases.. not sure if this happens in SC2 as well; if so, that would explain the propensity to having mirror matches in this format. Truly if a team doesn't have enough players then it shouldn't be in the tourney in the first place, there are plenty of teams that could fill in.
Finally, a Bo7 only requires FOUR players to win, not SEVEN. I think a Bo9 -- like IPTL -- is definitely better than this.
4 seperate BO1s thats the most retarded format there can be .. I can understant BO7 last man standing style even though its still BO1 but this is just stupid so much luck invovled.
On January 27 2012 11:59 FauvFauv wrote: wow nasl... just wow...
Because it's their fault?
1) If this was streamed live we could have seen the game.
2) I doubt that IdrA's computer didn't saved the replay. This isn't supposed to happen when your opponent disconnects from the game. NASL should have had a referee in that match for this reason. Also they needed a referee to check if Leenock's advantage was big enough to award him a win.
On January 27 2012 11:59 FauvFauv wrote: wow nasl... just wow...
Because it's their fault?
1) If this was streamed live we could have seen the game.
2) I doubt that IdrA's computer didn't saved the replay. This isn't supposed to happen when your opponent disconnects from the game. NASL should have had a referee in that match for this reason. Also they needed a referee to check if Leenock's advantage was big enough to award him a win.
You're aware the only team league that is streamed live is GSTL, because there is a set schedule and everyone is in the same spot, right? Playing an international online team league live is not viable.
On January 27 2012 11:59 FauvFauv wrote: wow nasl... just wow...
Because it's their fault?
1) If this was streamed live we could have seen the game.
2) I doubt that IdrA's computer didn't saved the replay. This isn't supposed to happen when your opponent disconnects from the game. NASL should have had a referee in that match for this reason. Also they needed a referee to check if Leenock's advantage was big enough to award him a win.
i think that idra would have got a regame if he said that the advantage leenock had was not big enough....
On January 27 2012 11:59 FauvFauv wrote: wow nasl... just wow...
Because it's their fault?
1) If this was streamed live we could have seen the game.
2) I doubt that IdrA's computer didn't saved the replay. This isn't supposed to happen when your opponent disconnects from the game. NASL should have had a referee in that match for this reason. Also they needed a referee to check if Leenock's advantage was big enough to award him a win.
You're aware the only team league that is streamed live is GSTL, because there is a set schedule and everyone is in the same spot, right? Playing an international online team league live is not viable.
You're saying this like there are a lot of foreigner team leagues. Fyi, the only major online team legues are NASTL and IPL TAC. Both leagues also stream their 1v1 online events from replays for very little reason. Smaller leagues like the KSL Daily or incredible Panic team league are being streamed live.
The participants are professional players who should be available at any time unless they participate at a LAN event. They are getting paid for this, and I doubt they will be against it. I'm pretty sure that the NASTL or IPL TAC organizers didn't even asked the teams if they prefer the matches to be played live (with a fixed schedule) or not. This is simply a choice from organizers because it's easier for them to broadcast replays.
It also doesn't matter if the live matches can't always be streamed at the same hours. Those who can't watch it live, will just check the recorded broadcast later. There's no difference in watching "live replays" or a VOD.
I hope that both NASL and IPL will soon understand that most people don't watch their leagues because they're not broadcasted live.
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote: A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.
Learn to count... BO7 = first team to 4 wins = 4 players per team is necessary. Either your 4 players loose and you loose the match or 1 to 4 of your guys separate wins to reach 4 wins and win the match.
On January 27 2012 11:58 Al Bundy wrote: What a failure... That match was the only one I was looking forward to. Talk about waste of time. Thanks NASL for not announcing this issue beforehand.
not really surprised since they did this all the time in regular season with really hyped up matches saved last and don't announce anything even though the game wasn't played so they would keep viewers. really scumbag thing to do
This is where the whole "first world problems" idea is evident. Such a low threshold for scumbag-ness. Such a sheltered guy.
Big freaking whoop that they do this. And even if it was a "scumbag" thing, I think the organizers have done more than enough good things and that you really should stoofoo.
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote: A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.
Learn to count... BO7 = first team to 4 wins = 4 players per team is necessary. Either your 4 players loose and you loose the match or 1 to 4 of your guys separate wins to reach 4 wins and win the match.
mikau is right. you need 7 (or 6 with ace) players in a non KoTH-style. maybe you should use your brain before posting.
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote: A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.
Learn to count... BO7 = first team to 4 wins = 4 players per team is necessary. Either your 4 players loose and you loose the match or 1 to 4 of your guys separate wins to reach 4 wins and win the match.
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote: A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.
A best of 7 games requires 4 games to win, thus it requires for each team to have at least 4 players, not 7.
I do kinda feel like Gretorps casting isn't on a par with many of the other casters in the big leagues. Shame cos he seems lovely, but yeah, a fair few of the sentences don't even make sense. Maybe just a bad day?
Pretty anticlimactic too with what happened with Leenock and Idra.
Also, I'd prefer that they used the GSTL format, where you have winner stays on.
On January 27 2012 13:06 s4life wrote: This format kinda sucks.. mirror matches, Bo5.. ah well
The mirror matches can't be helped, that's kind of inadvertent (other than the consistent PvP on TDA, but that's because it's a good choice for Protoss). Personally I love this format because it's the only one like Proleague and frankly there's a lot more strategy involved than the plethora of all-kill format leagues. I think that making it a Bo7 with the 7th set being an ace might be better, but I think that would put a lot of strain on some teams to even field six players. For a team like FXO (Lucky, Leenock, asd, Oz, Choya, GuMiho, etc.), but for teams like Mouz (who only has six players on their entire roster) it might be difficult to actually get all six in. I think that this format is fine, though I would like to see less mirrors...
proleague had also a winners league, which imho was the best part. In case of BW at least, coaches would send the same races according to the map due to perceived biases.. not sure if this happens in SC2 as well; if so, that would explain the propensity to having mirror matches in this format. Truly if a team doesn't have enough players then it shouldn't be in the tourney in the first place, there are plenty of teams that could fill in.
Finally, a Bo7 only requires FOUR players to win, not SEVEN. I think a Bo9 -- like IPTL -- is definitely better than this.
On January 27 2012 11:59 FauvFauv wrote: wow nasl... just wow...
Because it's their fault?
1) If this was streamed live we could have seen the game.
2) I doubt that IdrA's computer didn't saved the replay. This isn't supposed to happen when your opponent disconnects from the game. NASL should have had a referee in that match for this reason. Also they needed a referee to check if Leenock's advantage was big enough to award him a win.
Nobody needed to determine if the advantage was big enough to award the win. Read what they wrote, it wasn't until after the game that the computer crashed. IdrA lost the game, then Leenock's computer crashed. At the same time, there should be somebody observing the game to get the replay and make sure that this sort of thing doesn't happen, but at the end of the day I wouldn't blame NASL for this, it's just an accident.
On January 27 2012 19:32 Veriol wrote: 4 seperate BO1s thats the most retarded format there can be .. I can understant BO7 last man standing style even though its still BO1 but this is just stupid so much luck invovled.
Why is everybody bashing on this format? I think I would like it more if it was a seven Bo1s with an ace match, but honestly this format is way more focused on the team. This format makes it easier for a "weak" player to perform the best he's ever done and have a huge impact. Bo7 would be better, but this format is great. And I really fail to see how there is more luck in this than an all-kill format tournament.
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote: A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.
Learn to count... BO7 = first team to 4 wins = 4 players per team is necessary. Either your 4 players loose and you loose the match or 1 to 4 of your guys separate wins to reach 4 wins and win the match.
Technically you could play in that format with 4 players but if any of them lost then you'd lose the match because you would forfeit three games. I don't understand why so many people have so much trouble understanding that, good God.
On January 27 2012 11:59 FauvFauv wrote: wow nasl... just wow...
Because it's their fault?
1) If this was streamed live we could have seen the game.
2) I doubt that IdrA's computer didn't saved the replay. This isn't supposed to happen when your opponent disconnects from the game. NASL should have had a referee in that match for this reason. Also they needed a referee to check if Leenock's advantage was big enough to award him a win.
Nobody needed to determine if the advantage was big enough to award the win. Read what they wrote, it wasn't until after the game that the computer crashed. IdrA lost the game, then Leenock's computer crashed. At the same time, there should be somebody observing the game to get the replay and make sure that this sort of thing doesn't happen, but at the end of the day I wouldn't blame NASL for this, it's just an accident.
On January 27 2012 19:32 Veriol wrote: 4 seperate BO1s thats the most retarded format there can be .. I can understant BO7 last man standing style even though its still BO1 but this is just stupid so much luck invovled.
Why is everybody bashing on this format? I think I would like it more if it was a seven Bo1s with an ace match, but honestly this format is way more focused on the team. This format makes it easier for a "weak" player to perform the best he's ever done and have a huge impact. Bo7 would be better, but this format is great. And I really fail to see how there is more luck in this than an all-kill format tournament.
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote: A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.
Learn to count... BO7 = first team to 4 wins = 4 players per team is necessary. Either your 4 players loose and you loose the match or 1 to 4 of your guys separate wins to reach 4 wins and win the match.
Technically you could play in that format with 4 players but if any of them lost then you'd lose the match because you would forfeit three games. I don't understand why so many people have so much trouble understanding that, good God.
the problem with the format is, that it is a Bo1 (imo). if there would be 4 sets with Bo3, fine with me. But 4 * Bo1??? It just doesn't really say much when it is a Bo1. If player A is beating player B in a Bo1, will i get the feelling that Player A (Team A) is a better player (Team)/ played better? No. Bo3 is not much better, but at least there exist a feelling for me that player A really defeated Player B.
On January 27 2012 11:59 FauvFauv wrote: wow nasl... just wow...
Because it's their fault?
1) If this was streamed live we could have seen the game.
2) I doubt that IdrA's computer didn't saved the replay. This isn't supposed to happen when your opponent disconnects from the game. NASL should have had a referee in that match for this reason. Also they needed a referee to check if Leenock's advantage was big enough to award him a win.
Nobody needed to determine if the advantage was big enough to award the win. Read what they wrote, it wasn't until after the game that the computer crashed. IdrA lost the game, then Leenock's computer crashed. At the same time, there should be somebody observing the game to get the replay and make sure that this sort of thing doesn't happen, but at the end of the day I wouldn't blame NASL for this, it's just an accident.
On January 27 2012 19:32 Veriol wrote: 4 seperate BO1s thats the most retarded format there can be .. I can understant BO7 last man standing style even though its still BO1 but this is just stupid so much luck invovled.
Why is everybody bashing on this format? I think I would like it more if it was a seven Bo1s with an ace match, but honestly this format is way more focused on the team. This format makes it easier for a "weak" player to perform the best he's ever done and have a huge impact. Bo7 would be better, but this format is great. And I really fail to see how there is more luck in this than an all-kill format tournament.
On January 28 2012 02:17 CursedFeanor wrote:
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote: A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.
Learn to count... BO7 = first team to 4 wins = 4 players per team is necessary. Either your 4 players loose and you loose the match or 1 to 4 of your guys separate wins to reach 4 wins and win the match.
Technically you could play in that format with 4 players but if any of them lost then you'd lose the match because you would forfeit three games. I don't understand why so many people have so much trouble understanding that, good God.
the problem with the format is, that it is a Bo1 (imo). if there would be 4 sets with Bo3, fine with me. But 4 * Bo1??? It just doesn't really say much when it is a Bo1. If player A is beating player B in a Bo1, will i get the feelling that Player A (Team A) is a better player (Team)/ played better? No. Bo3 is not much better, but at least there exist a feelling for me that player A really defeated Player B.
I agree that with the way SC2 works in comparison to BW having every set be a Bo3 would be better, but you have Bo1s in all-kill format too.
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote: A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.
Learn to count... BO7 = first team to 4 wins = 4 players per team is necessary. Either your 4 players loose and you loose the match or 1 to 4 of your guys separate wins to reach 4 wins and win the match.
Technically you could play in that format with 4 players but if any of them lost then you'd lose the match because you would forfeit three games. I don't understand why so many people have so much trouble understanding that, good God.
Not if the format lets the winner play on. NASL has it wrong any way you see it, they wanted to be different than IPTL I guess, but they came up with such an old formula which isn't exciting to watch.
On January 28 2012 05:34 Hardigan wrote: the problem with the format is, that it is a Bo1 (imo). if there would be 4 sets with Bo3, fine with me. But 4 * Bo1??? It just doesn't really say much when it is a Bo1. If player A is beating player B in a Bo1, will i get the feelling that Player A (Team A) is a better player (Team)/ played better? No. Bo3 is not much better, but at least there exist a feelling for me that player A really defeated Player B.
For team leagues it's ok to have Bo1s imho, more so if it's a winner's format. After all, what is tested in a team league is which team as a whole is stronger, not whether individual players are stronger than the other team's players..
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote: A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.
Learn to count... BO7 = first team to 4 wins = 4 players per team is necessary. Either your 4 players loose and you loose the match or 1 to 4 of your guys separate wins to reach 4 wins and win the match.
Technically you could play in that format with 4 players but if any of them lost then you'd lose the match because you would forfeit three games. I don't understand why so many people have so much trouble understanding that, good God.
Not if the format lets the winner play on. NASL has it wrong any way you see it, they wanted to be different than IPTL I guess, but they came up with such an old formula which isn't exciting to watch.
It's similar to what Proleague uses and Proleague is the most exciting Team League to watch. I think that seeing a variety of players is really exciting, but with all-kills it generally comes down to a single player on a team carrying the weight for the rest of the team. That isn't nearly as team-oriented as this format. The more team oriented the format, the better. One player shouldn't be able to win a Team League.
On January 27 2012 18:41 Mikau wrote: A bo7 requires you to have 7 players (or 6+ ace). That's what he was saying. Nobody said bo7 means you have to win 7 games.
Learn to count... BO7 = first team to 4 wins = 4 players per team is necessary. Either your 4 players loose and you loose the match or 1 to 4 of your guys separate wins to reach 4 wins and win the match.
Technically you could play in that format with 4 players but if any of them lost then you'd lose the match because you would forfeit three games. I don't understand why so many people have so much trouble understanding that, good God.
Not if the format lets the winner play on. NASL has it wrong any way you see it, they wanted to be different than IPTL I guess, but they came up with such an old formula which isn't exciting to watch.
It's similar to what Proleague uses and Proleague is the most exciting Team League to watch. I think that seeing a variety of players is really exciting, but with all-kills it generally comes down to a single player on a team carrying the weight for the rest of the team. That isn't nearly as team-oriented as this format. The more team oriented the format, the better. One player shouldn't be able to win a Team League.
1) Proleague is an established name and I doubt it's success has much to do with the format they chose. They could have chosen 7 bo3s or 2-day matches and they would still be popular. 2) Even unknown progamers playing in Proleague are guaranteed to have a skill level leaps and bounds beyond anything produced by amateurs. This makes the games highly entertaining to watch. 3) All-kills are fun to watch, winners league is the most exciting season of Proleague.
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