When: Wednesday, Jan 25 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Wednesday, Jan 25 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Format
This double-elimination tournament features 16 teams from around the world and is an All-Kill team format. This match is being played for Winners Round 1. The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9), will move on in the Winners Bracket, while the loser will drop down into the Losers Bracket. Keep in mind that this has a $20,000 prize pool, and only six teams will make it to the money!
Team SCV Life Polt Ultimate RevivaL Symbol HyuN RagnaroK Shine Cyrano Dream
Team ReIGN Artist giX SLush KiWiKaKi Inori Future Axslav
The First Game for this match of IPL Team Arena Challenge 2 is on Wednesday, Jan 25 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Wednesday, Jan 25 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
There is a very good chance that Hyun will get played! Awesome!
I think TSL is definitely favored, but I could see Reign taking this as they have played very well in these conditions, and even pushed FXO to the brink in the NASL TeamLeague (different format though). Considering the recent loss of key players and the drama with TSL, there is a solid chance for Reign to win this.
Polt is of course the main threat to Reign, with his strong TvP against a Protoss heavy team.
Reign is going to have an important decision to make.
Do they send Artist as their ace or as their middle-man? Artist could sweep the TSL zergs if he is on his tip-top game, but if he is upset by Heart or Cyrano then Inori is going to have to beat Polt.
On January 25 2012 03:33 CosmicSpiral wrote: Reign is going to have an important decision to make.
Do they send Artist as their ace or as their middle-man? Artist could sweep the TSL zergs if he is on his tip-top game, but if he is upset by Heart or Cyrano then Inori is going to have to beat Polt.
It all depends on how the series progress. I believe that it would be best to send out a guy like slush, tricky, unorthodox, but not the team's big guns. The team's chances are not badly hurt if he loses, but he is still good enough to take games. You try to draw out tsl's major players, ideally polt. Of course I'm not affiliated with reign, nor am I privy to the inside workings of either team, but I feel reign should try to snipe down tsl, since reign lacks the strong all around player capable of killing sprees, while tsl lacks a deep roster (relative to the other Korean teams of course) and will likely be heavily reliant on polt.
On January 25 2012 03:33 CosmicSpiral wrote: Reign is going to have an important decision to make.
Do they send Artist as their ace or as their middle-man? Artist could sweep the TSL zergs if he is on his tip-top game, but if he is upset by Heart or Cyrano then Inori is going to have to beat Polt.
It all depends on how the series progress. I believe that it would be best to send out a guy like slush, tricky, unorthodox, but not the team's big guns. The team's chances are not badly hurt if he loses, but he is still good enough to take games. You try to draw out tsl's major players, ideally polt. Of course I'm not affiliated with reign, nor am I privy to the inside workings of either team, but I feel reign should try to snipe down tsl, since reign lacks the strong all around player capable of killing sprees, while tsl lacks a deep roster (relative to the other Korean teams of course) and will likely be heavily reliant on polt.
The main problem with sniping is that Reign doesn't have a deep roster either. You can afford to snipe if you have a big roster like oGs or Startale.
On January 25 2012 03:46 xi Tempest x wrote: Polt is obliviously the biggest challenge, but i still can't see reIGN winning even if the take him out, Hyun, Symbol and Revival are all too strong.
Artist can definitely beat HyuN, Symbol, or RevivaL. His TvZ is ridiculously good (number 1 vZ International ELO at the moment) and he's only lost 4 of hist last 40 TvZs. I don't know if he could beat all three of them, because that would be asking a lot from any Terran, but if there's anybody on ReIGN who possibly could, it would definitely be Artist.
Polt is definitely going to be the biggest challenge for ReIGN. But maybe KiWiKaKi can pull out a win over Polt. He beat GuMiho the other day in the NASTL with a crazy 8 gate all-in build. If KiWi pulls out one of his ridiculous builds and Polt doesn't scout it, KiWi could definitely win a Bo1 over him.
Frankly, I think that this game is going to be a lot closer than people are calling it. I think that people are underestimating Artist.
On January 25 2012 03:33 CosmicSpiral wrote: Reign is going to have an important decision to make.
Do they send Artist as their ace or as their middle-man? Artist could sweep the TSL zergs if he is on his tip-top game, but if he is upset by Heart or Cyrano then Inori is going to have to beat Polt.
Heart isn't on TSL, nobody actually knows how good Cyrano is, and I doubt that anybody on ReIGN could beat Polt in a straight up game, even Artist.
On January 25 2012 03:33 CosmicSpiral wrote: Reign is going to have an important decision to make.
Do they send Artist as their ace or as their middle-man? Artist could sweep the TSL zergs if he is on his tip-top game, but if he is upset by Heart or Cyrano then Inori is going to have to beat Polt.
Heart isn't on TSL, nobody actually knows how good Cyrano is, and I doubt that anybody on ReIGN could beat Polt in a straight up game, even Artist.
Heart went back to TSL.
Cyrano is okay. He beat Nada in the ESV Weekly but Nada is like the tides.
I'm merely talking about matchups. Artist is their best overall player but they may not be able to afford putting him as the ace. Reign's lineup is very small and very Protoss-heavy, so a player like Symbol or Revival could burn a path straight through them if they hold Artist back until the end.
this is going to be nerve wrecking all i really want is for reign to continue to do better then most people here expect. but at the same time i wouldn't say no to reign winning that would be sooo sweet on so many levels and i feel like reign definitely can win. It wouldn't be nearly as unlikely as most here are calling it.
I don't expect ReIGN to win but I don't expect a walkover either. It seems likely the it would be 5-2 in favour of TSL, or perhaps even 5-3 if the stars align but I don't see them winning this with Polt being one of the people they have to stop as well as Symbol who is looking good lately.
On January 25 2012 03:33 CosmicSpiral wrote: Reign is going to have an important decision to make.
Do they send Artist as their ace or as their middle-man? Artist could sweep the TSL zergs if he is on his tip-top game, but if he is upset by Heart or Cyrano then Inori is going to have to beat Polt.
Heart isn't on TSL, nobody actually knows how good Cyrano is, and I doubt that anybody on ReIGN could beat Polt in a straight up game, even Artist.
Heart went back to TSL.
Cyrano is okay. He beat Nada in the ESV Weekly but Nada is like the tides.
I'm merely talking about matchups. Artist is their best overall player but they may not be able to afford putting him as the ace. Reign's lineup is very small and very Protoss-heavy, so a player like Symbol or Revival could burn a path straight through them if they hold Artist back until the end.
I think that whoever ReIGN puts out, they're going to need to get lucky against Polt (who I would assume will be the ace for TSL). Artist is probably the best shot they have for an ace, but if TSL plays Polt sooner and ReIGN manages to take care of him, then Artist may be able to reign (no pun intended) free.
Also I hadn't heard about Heart but that's awesome because he's a great player ^^
On January 25 2012 03:33 CosmicSpiral wrote: Reign is going to have an important decision to make.
Do they send Artist as their ace or as their middle-man? Artist could sweep the TSL zergs if he is on his tip-top game, but if he is upset by Heart or Cyrano then Inori is going to have to beat Polt.
Heart isn't on TSL, nobody actually knows how good Cyrano is, and I doubt that anybody on ReIGN could beat Polt in a straight up game, even Artist.
Heart went back to TSL.
Cyrano is okay. He beat Nada in the ESV Weekly but Nada is like the tides.
I'm merely talking about matchups. Artist is their best overall player but they may not be able to afford putting him as the ace. Reign's lineup is very small and very Protoss-heavy, so a player like Symbol or Revival could burn a path straight through them if they hold Artist back until the end.
I think that whoever ReIGN puts out, they're going to need to get lucky against Polt (who I would assume will be the ace for TSL). Artist is probably the best shot they have for an ace, but if TSL plays Polt sooner and ReIGN manages to take care of him, then Artist may be able to reign (no pun intended) free.
Also I hadn't heard about Heart but that's awesome because he's a great player ^^
The Heart bit is not confirmed. He was reported to have left TSL and has been trying to contact foreign teams, but I've also been told he didn't leave the team, and just left the house and is playing from home.
Both teams have depth problems, but random korean >>> random foreigner. Inori and Artist have to carry the team, maybe Kiwi can take a game. The others are free wins.
On January 25 2012 03:33 CosmicSpiral wrote: Reign is going to have an important decision to make.
Do they send Artist as their ace or as their middle-man? Artist could sweep the TSL zergs if he is on his tip-top game, but if he is upset by Heart or Cyrano then Inori is going to have to beat Polt.
If I were ReIGN, I'd have SLush or probably KiWiKaKi prepared with a snipe all-in build against Polt, and I'd have Inori saved for protoss and Artist as the ace or to respond if Polt beats the snipe.
I think it's a bit weird that there are a lot of spectators from the team in the game. Doesn't all these guys sit next to each other anyway so they can just tell them if there is cheese, proxys, hidden expos or w/e.
On January 25 2012 10:46 klicken wrote: I think it's a bit weird that there are a lot of spectators from the team in the game. Doesn't all these guys sit next to each other anyway so they can just tell them if there is cheese, proxys, hidden expos or w/e.
...most players could do this in playhem and every live online tourney with spectators...its a trust and competitive thing...would be sorta sleezy for the team to plan something like that and if it ever got found out, they could kiss their careers bye bye
On January 25 2012 10:46 klicken wrote: I think it's a bit weird that there are a lot of spectators from the team in the game. Doesn't all these guys sit next to each other anyway so they can just tell them if there is cheese, proxys, hidden expos or w/e.
...most players could do this in playhem and every live online tourney with spectators...its a trust and competitive thing...would be sorta sleezy for the team to plan something like that and if it ever got found out, they could kiss their careers bye bye
Ragnarok is an odd choice. Maybe he has some snipe build prepared (Daybreak as a map choice suggests otherwise, though), but a Protoss on Calm Before the Storm would have been my choice.
On January 25 2012 10:46 klicken wrote: I think it's a bit weird that there are a lot of spectators from the team in the game. Doesn't all these guys sit next to each other anyway so they can just tell them if there is cheese, proxys, hidden expos or w/e.
...most players could do this in playhem and every live online tourney with spectators...its a trust and competitive thing...would be sorta sleezy for the team to plan something like that and if it ever got found out, they could kiss their careers bye bye
Don't think these games are live.
No he doesn't mean that. He means that they're obs in the game, so have full map vision. But yeah, I doubt their teammates will cheat for them as that's so dirty and wrong.
Ragnarok seems to play exactly like Revival. Why let him play if this style just lost to Artist? They seem to imitate Stephano style and Ultras can be good there.
On January 25 2012 11:03 00Visor wrote: Ragnarok seems to play exactly like Revival. Why let him play if this style just lost to Artist? They seem to imitate Stephano style and Ultras can be good there.
That moment right there is how I wish ultras were in all situations, not just when there is a single bunker of marines shooting at them. They are just so huge and expensive they should feel powerful.
On January 25 2012 11:03 00Visor wrote: Ragnarok seems to play exactly like Revival. Why let him play if this style just lost to Artist? They seem to imitate Stephano style and Ultras can be good there.
Because it wasn't the style that was bad, it was just the execution.
On January 25 2012 11:03 00Visor wrote: Ragnarok seems to play exactly like Revival. Why let him play if this style just lost to Artist? They seem to imitate Stephano style and Ultras can be good there.
ultralisk used most perfectly by DRG the revolutionist ZvTer
On January 25 2012 11:03 00Visor wrote: Ragnarok seems to play exactly like Revival. Why let him play if this style just lost to Artist? They seem to imitate Stephano style and Ultras can be good there.
Ragnarok used banes with his ultras, led with ultras, and locked the army down. In other words he played the style correctly.
Upgrades were a pretty big factor I think - seemed Ragnarok's lings were +1/+1 ahead of Artist's marines for much of the game which made a pretty big difference in a lot of the engagements.
On January 25 2012 11:03 00Visor wrote: Ragnarok seems to play exactly like Revival. Why let him play if this style just lost to Artist? They seem to imitate Stephano style and Ultras can be good there.
On January 25 2012 11:03 00Visor wrote: Ragnarok seems to play exactly like Revival. Why let him play if this style just lost to Artist? They seem to imitate Stephano style and Ultras can be good there.
Because it wasn't the style that was bad, it was just the execution.
On January 25 2012 10:46 klicken wrote: I think it's a bit weird that there are a lot of spectators from the team in the game. Doesn't all these guys sit next to each other anyway so they can just tell them if there is cheese, proxys, hidden expos or w/e.
...most players could do this in playhem and every live online tourney with spectators...its a trust and competitive thing...would be sorta sleezy for the team to plan something like that and if it ever got found out, they could kiss their careers bye bye
Don't think these games are live.
it was live when the spectators were in it...pls stop picking out words <3 and read the whole thing
On January 25 2012 11:03 00Visor wrote: Ragnarok seems to play exactly like Revival. Why let him play if this style just lost to Artist? They seem to imitate Stephano style and Ultras can be good there.
Not to be the grumpy old korean fanboy, but they are not exactly imitating anyone. Yes, I know that Stephano made heavy ling/infestor etc. etc. popular in Eurupe and the Western scene in general, but it would be nice if there was less gratuitous crediting at the expense of others.
On January 25 2012 11:03 00Visor wrote: Ragnarok seems to play exactly like Revival. Why let him play if this style just lost to Artist? They seem to imitate Stephano style and Ultras can be good there.
Not to be the grumpy old korean fanboy, but they are not exactly imitating anyone. Yes, I know that Stephano made heavy ling/infestor etc. etc. popular in Eurupe and the Western scene in general, but it would be nice if there was less gratuitous crediting at the expense of others.
Maybe 'imitate' was a bad choice of words, but Koreans themselves were even crediting Stephano in interviews.
On January 25 2012 11:03 00Visor wrote: Ragnarok seems to play exactly like Revival. Why let him play if this style just lost to Artist? They seem to imitate Stephano style and Ultras can be good there.
Not to be the grumpy old korean fanboy, but they are not exactly imitating anyone. Yes, I know that Stephano made heavy ling/infestor etc. etc. popular in Eurupe and the Western scene in general, but it would be nice if there was less gratuitous crediting at the expense of others.
Maybe 'imitate' was a bad choice of words, but Koreans themselves were even crediting Stephano in interviews.
stephano did not beat any top tier korean with his build..., his style is unique but he is not the one invent them either.
On January 25 2012 11:03 00Visor wrote: Ragnarok seems to play exactly like Revival. Why let him play if this style just lost to Artist? They seem to imitate Stephano style and Ultras can be good there.
Not to be the grumpy old korean fanboy, but they are not exactly imitating anyone. Yes, I know that Stephano made heavy ling/infestor etc. etc. popular in Eurupe and the Western scene in general, but it would be nice if there was less gratuitous crediting at the expense of others.
Maybe 'imitate' was a bad choice of words, but Koreans themselves were even crediting Stephano in interviews.
Really, who?
I remember Day9 saying Nestea copied Stephano in Blizzcon, but he said he made it himself and I even remembered him doing it against Ensnare way before Stephano became big.
Not saying they don't, I just don't know examples and would prefer it if you gave some players.
Coca is the only one who said it in an interview. Lucky also started playing similar styles after seeing Stephano in IPL3.
Regardless it's not really "Stephano" style, Fruitdealer used Ultra/ling/bane back in the first season of 2011 if i remember correctly. It became more common with the infestor buff.
WHY DID THEY PUT INORI OUT AGAINST A ZERG?!? That's obviously his weakest matchup! -banging head on keyboard- And what was Kiwikaki doing in the first match?! Every single time I've seen him try early pressure it fails. Every. Single. Time. I've. Seen. (Maybe he has made it work but I've never seen it.) I am disappoint. T_T
On January 25 2012 11:47 Malstriks wrote: can anyone tell me what happened in the gix vs. ragnarok end game? i didn't catch the end of it. how did ragnarok come back?
went a couple of mutas for map control, killed some overlords, and droned up massively behind it while being ready to swap into roach/infestor. Gix had a huge timing window but he didn't really hit it, instead he denied Ragnarok's fourth...but Ragnarok ran around the map instead of engaging and denied Gix's fourth, got better position to use his fungal, killed the third, and got back out again with many of his units.
On January 25 2012 11:57 VirgilSC2 wrote: Coach Lee's master plan: ANOTHER ZERG!!!!!
Virgil why is your quote not about TSL anymore?
Aww they didnt send out Hiya
HyuN* Not HiyA.
Also, I've decided to take a much stronger approach to my own team instead of TSL. I'm still a TSL fan for sure, but I'm also a Team Clash Manager, and fan.
On January 25 2012 11:57 VirgilSC2 wrote: Coach Lee's master plan: ANOTHER ZERG!!!!!
In his defense, they're up 4-2, it seems to be working.
Excited to see Cyrano! Haven't had a chance to see him play yet, I want SLush to win to make my prediction closer to being correct (I think I said TSL 5-4 or 5-3), but either way I'm souped ^^
On January 25 2012 11:57 VirgilSC2 wrote: Coach Lee's master plan: ANOTHER ZERG!!!!!
Virgil why is your quote not about TSL anymore?
Aww they didnt send out Hiya
HyuN* Not HiyA.
Also, I've decided to take a much stronger approach to my own team instead of TSL. I'm still a TSL fan for sure, but I'm also a Team Clash Manager, and fan.
TSL is the best though! Even if their roster is constantly changing every day, they're never short on champs. Plus, they're sponsored by TheHandsomeNerd.com, which happens to be just another reason why to like them!
On January 25 2012 12:16 Chicane wrote: Hmm I figured Slush would have gone for the kill after trading all those mutas and then remaxing on ground forces.
I guess he can't get a good angle with mass roaches there though, so it's probably for the best.
On January 25 2012 12:18 CosmicSpiral wrote: Cyrano should've never done that push. Getting 3 bases as Protoss is so easy on this map, he could've had a great army to defend off those mutalisks.
Ya, but it does look like he is getting a second chance at that if he can stay alive a bit longer. He will just need to make one big push.
Edit: Kind of like he is right now, though the fight wasn't at the front of Slush's base.
This is actually getting pretty interesting. Would be nice to see some ultras against this army though. Would work well against the stalkers and vortex.
On January 25 2012 12:22 DamageControL wrote: casters underestimating slush's lead imo
agreed. this is slushs game to lose
Well they had about even army sizes before, and even supply, but ya recently Slush took the extra base and had the larger economy. At that point the casters agreed it was Slush's game.
On January 25 2012 12:25 Asha` wrote: Looks like Slush will finally win. Should have been done ages ago given how greedy he got away with being and the unstoppable mutaball he had.
^ this
should he have attacked the front with some lings and his mutas he would have break the front
Honestly, Cyrano shouldn't have lost that. 4 base protoss vs. roaches? If he had proper blink and ff's he would've wiped the floor with that army but he let the roaches do good damage every time. Slush didn't even have infestors till the end.
On January 25 2012 12:22 DamageControL wrote: casters underestimating slush's lead imo
agreed. this is slushs game to lose
Well they had about even army sizes before, and even supply, but ya recently Slush took the extra base and had the larger economy. At that point the casters agreed it was Slush's game.
Anyway.... GG Slush!
Yeah, it looked scary for Slush at several points, especially considering that he was largely roaches against a maxed deathball. But Slush had excellent unit retention, and just played a war of attrition with Cyrano and won.
On January 25 2012 12:28 Itsmedudeman wrote: Honestly, Cyrano shouldn't have lost that. 4 base protoss vs. roaches? If he had proper blink and ff's he would've wiped the floor with that army but he let the roaches do good damage every time. Slush didn't even have infestors till the end.
On January 25 2012 12:28 Itsmedudeman wrote: Honestly, Cyrano shouldn't have lost that. 4 base protoss vs. roaches? If he had proper blink and ff's he would've wiped the floor with that army but he let the roaches do good damage every time. Slush didn't even have infestors till the end.
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On January 25 2012 12:28 Itsmedudeman wrote: Honestly, Cyrano shouldn't have lost that. 4 base protoss vs. roaches? If he had proper blink and ff's he would've wiped the floor with that army but he let the roaches do good damage every time. Slush didn't even have infestors till the end.
On January 25 2012 12:28 Itsmedudeman wrote: Honestly, Cyrano shouldn't have lost that. 4 base protoss vs. roaches? If he had proper blink and ff's he would've wiped the floor with that army but he let the roaches do good damage every time. Slush didn't even have infestors till the end.
He was contained for way to long to do anything.
??? He got up to a maxed army with a mothership and hts/archons with good upgrades. That's all you need against a pure roach army and you can come out twice as cost effective as Cyrano did there. Cyrano is not code A level.
On January 25 2012 12:28 Itsmedudeman wrote: Honestly, Cyrano shouldn't have lost that. 4 base protoss vs. roaches? If he had proper blink and ff's he would've wiped the floor with that army but he let the roaches do good damage every time. Slush didn't even have infestors till the end.
he was never on 4 base, he only had the 4th mining so he was on 1base pretty much
Just curious, what happened to HD and Painuser? The last 5+ times I've watched IGN it has been Doa and Cats. I imagine they are still with IGN, but are they on a break or something?
On January 25 2012 12:28 Itsmedudeman wrote: Honestly, Cyrano shouldn't have lost that. 4 base protoss vs. roaches? If he had proper blink and ff's he would've wiped the floor with that army but he let the roaches do good damage every time. Slush didn't even have infestors till the end.
He was contained for way to long to do anything.
??? He got up to a maxed army with a mothership and hts/archons with good upgrades. That's all you need against a pure roach army and you can come out twice as cost effective as Cyrano did there. Cyrano is not code A level.
He got his 4th too late though to be on 4 bases. He was able to do quite a bit of damage to Slush's army, but it didn't really matter as Slush's resources were through the roof by that point. All he had to do was wear Cyrano down.
On January 25 2012 12:28 Itsmedudeman wrote: Honestly, Cyrano shouldn't have lost that. 4 base protoss vs. roaches? If he had proper blink and ff's he would've wiped the floor with that army but he let the roaches do good damage every time. Slush didn't even have infestors till the end.
He lost the game a long time ago.
Actually I think he had a chance when Slush threw away all his mutas.
On January 25 2012 12:28 Itsmedudeman wrote: Honestly, Cyrano shouldn't have lost that. 4 base protoss vs. roaches? If he had proper blink and ff's he would've wiped the floor with that army but he let the roaches do good damage every time. Slush didn't even have infestors till the end.
He lost the game a long time ago.
Actually I think he had a chance when Slush threw away all his mutas.
By then Slush had already secured the fourth and fifth and tech-switched to roach.
I don't think Slush should have went roach hydra. I can understand the thinking. He was obviously showing fast muta and switched to attempt to fake out Symbol. However, that map is so large and would probably be better to get mutas anyway. Also his creep and upgrades were not good enough for roach hydra to be good. I don't even know if Symbol got any AA for the possible mutas.
43 delusional people here. Polt, Hyun, and Revival are each light years ahead of anyone on reign. Don't know about the rest of their roster but i'm assuming they're not significantly worse. TSL 100%
On January 25 2012 12:46 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: 43 delusional people here. Polt, Hyun, and Revival are each light years ahead of anyone on reign. Don't know about the rest of their roster but i'm assuming they're not significantly worse. TSL 100%
you've never seen hyun play and revival got beaten by artist.this match was super close anyway. gix threw away a game and without that the series would be totally different.
On January 25 2012 12:28 Itsmedudeman wrote: Honestly, Cyrano shouldn't have lost that. 4 base protoss vs. roaches? If he had proper blink and ff's he would've wiped the floor with that army but he let the roaches do good damage every time. Slush didn't even have infestors till the end.
If SLush hadn't won that I would have had to call BS on the entire PvZ/ZvP match-up. SLush was up multiple bases, upgrades, ~70 supply, banking way more resources and they were about even on tech. In no other match-up would the game have been even nearly as close. I'm not trying to say that the match-up is broken, but SLush played really, really well, and Cyrano didn't. You're really undercutting the fact that SLush played a fantastic game.
On January 25 2012 12:28 Itsmedudeman wrote: Honestly, Cyrano shouldn't have lost that. 4 base protoss vs. roaches? If he had proper blink and ff's he would've wiped the floor with that army but he let the roaches do good damage every time. Slush didn't even have infestors till the end.
He lost the game a long time ago.
Actually I think he had a chance when Slush threw away all his mutas.
By then Slush had already secured the fourth and fifth and tech-switched to roach.
Yeah man, he WANTED to throw away those mutas AND he wanted to get rid of some storm energy. He was maxed out and had plenty banked and correctly reasoned: Well, every forieng zerg in the last four months has lost to korean archon toilet... How do I use this?
Fuck that was a FANTASTIC game. He just took storms like a champ what with that roach life regen.
Note that he really didn't even make that many brood lords. Just enough to warrant the mothership, which he sniped pretty damn fast. Just making full use of those spire upgrades he had for his mutas.
On January 25 2012 12:46 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: 43 delusional people here. Polt, Hyun, and Revival are each light years ahead of anyone on reign. Don't know about the rest of their roster but i'm assuming they're not significantly worse. TSL 100%
you've never seen hyun play and revival got beaten by artist.this match was super close anyway. gix threw away a game and without that the series would be totally different.
I'm still not sure that anybody on RGN would stand a chance against Polt.
On January 25 2012 12:28 Itsmedudeman wrote: Honestly, Cyrano shouldn't have lost that. 4 base protoss vs. roaches? If he had proper blink and ff's he would've wiped the floor with that army but he let the roaches do good damage every time. Slush didn't even have infestors till the end.
He lost the game a long time ago.
Actually I think he had a chance when Slush threw away all his mutas.
By then Slush had already secured the fourth and fifth and tech-switched to roach.
Yeah man, he WANTED to throw away those mutas AND he wanted to get rid of some storm energy. He was maxed out and had plenty banked and correctly reasoned: Well, every forieng zerg in the last four months has lost to korean archon toilet... How do I use this?
Fuck that was a FANTASTIC game. He just took storms like a champ what with that roach life regen.
Note that he really didn't even make that many brood lords. Just enough to warrant the mothership, which he sniped pretty damn fast. Just making full use of those spire upgrades he had for his mutas.
Noting the Spire upgrades is a good point. I wasn't even thinking about that when that game was going on.
On January 25 2012 12:48 IGNProLeague wrote: We will announce tomorrow's match tomorrow morning. It will be either Vile vs FXO or Mouz vs Quantic.
Please be Vile vs FXO! I want to see if Vile can put up a good fight against a top Korean team after they wrecked Zenx (who is in the GSTL), 5-1 in the qualifers.
Greg was right about Kiwi. Guy shouldn't get so much hype actually. He tries these weird strats and they work 1/10 times and that single 1/10 time, people blow it up way out of proportion as some game changing strat when it really isnt.
On January 25 2012 12:48 IGNProLeague wrote: We will announce tomorrow's match tomorrow morning. It will be either Vile vs FXO or Mouz vs Quantic.
Please be Vile vs FXO! I want to see if Vile can put up a good fight against a top Korean team after they wrecked Zenx (who is in the GSTL), 5-1 in the qualifers.
No! Anything with Mouz should be in an instant vote.
On January 25 2012 12:48 IGNProLeague wrote: We will announce tomorrow's match tomorrow morning. It will be either Vile vs FXO or Mouz vs Quantic.
ahhh, hopefully it'll be mouz vs quantic because I wanna see the vile match more than any other and I can't tomorrow night :O. oh well, I guess I can check out the VODs if need be
On January 25 2012 12:46 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: 43 delusional people here. Polt, Hyun, and Revival are each light years ahead of anyone on reign. Don't know about the rest of their roster but i'm assuming they're not significantly worse. TSL 100%
Yes, it's easy to make a bold prediction for TSL...after the games have been played and broadcasted.
On January 25 2012 12:46 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: 43 delusional people here. Polt, Hyun, and Revival are each light years ahead of anyone on reign. Don't know about the rest of their roster but i'm assuming they're not significantly worse. TSL 100%
Yes, it's easy to make a bold prediction for TSL...after the games have been played and broadcasted.
To be fair i think its easy to make a bold prediction for TSL at any time.
On January 25 2012 12:46 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: 43 delusional people here. Polt, Hyun, and Revival are each light years ahead of anyone on reign. Don't know about the rest of their roster but i'm assuming they're not significantly worse. TSL 100%
Yes, it's easy to make a bold prediction for TSL...after the games have been played and broadcasted.
To be fair i think its easy to make a bold prediction for TSL at any time.
It was not really the bold prediction that prompted my response, it was him calling the people who voted Reign to win "delusional". I felt that was a bit of a low blow, especially after the results were broadcasted. I too thought TSL was favored to win, but the people who thought Reign could win given the recent shakeups at TSL had a good reason to think that Reign could win.
Still, it's nothing flagrant and thus does not really warrant too much further attention. Congrats TSL!
On January 25 2012 12:46 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: 43 delusional people here. Polt, Hyun, and Revival are each light years ahead of anyone on reign. Don't know about the rest of their roster but i'm assuming they're not significantly worse. TSL 100%
Yes, it's easy to make a bold prediction for TSL...after the games have been played and broadcasted.
It was always easy. Even in their darkest days TSL aren't going to lose to a foreign team not called Mouz, Evil Geniuses or Team Liquid.
On January 25 2012 12:46 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: 43 delusional people here. Polt, Hyun, and Revival are each light years ahead of anyone on reign. Don't know about the rest of their roster but i'm assuming they're not significantly worse. TSL 100%
Yes, it's easy to make a bold prediction for TSL...after the games have been played and broadcasted.
It was always easy. Even in their darkest days TSL aren't going to lose to a foreign team not called Mouz, Evil Geniuses or Team Liquid.
Dignitas and Empire could definitively stand up against TSL.
On January 25 2012 12:46 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: 43 delusional people here. Polt, Hyun, and Revival are each light years ahead of anyone on reign. Don't know about the rest of their roster but i'm assuming they're not significantly worse. TSL 100%
Yes, it's easy to make a bold prediction for TSL...after the games have been played and broadcasted.
It was always easy. Even in their darkest days TSL aren't going to lose to a foreign team not called Mouz, Evil Geniuses or Team Liquid.
If Mouz can defeat colMVP, they can defeat TSL. The only strong player on that team is Polt
On January 25 2012 12:46 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: 43 delusional people here. Polt, Hyun, and Revival are each light years ahead of anyone on reign. Don't know about the rest of their roster but i'm assuming they're not significantly worse. TSL 100%
Yes, it's easy to make a bold prediction for TSL...after the games have been played and broadcasted.
It was always easy. Even in their darkest days TSL aren't going to lose to a foreign team not called Mouz, Evil Geniuses or Team Liquid.
If Mouz can defeat colMVP, they can defeat TSL. The only strong player on that team is Polt
False.
TSL has Polt, Revival, and Symbol. Everyone else is kinda streaky.
On January 25 2012 12:46 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: 43 delusional people here. Polt, Hyun, and Revival are each light years ahead of anyone on reign. Don't know about the rest of their roster but i'm assuming they're not significantly worse. TSL 100%
Yes, it's easy to make a bold prediction for TSL...after the games have been played and broadcasted.
It was always easy. Even in their darkest days TSL aren't going to lose to a foreign team not called Mouz, Evil Geniuses or Team Liquid.
I think Empire and maybe even Dignitas has bigger chances to defeat TSL than TL has.
On January 25 2012 12:46 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: 43 delusional people here. Polt, Hyun, and Revival are each light years ahead of anyone on reign. Don't know about the rest of their roster but i'm assuming they're not significantly worse. TSL 100%
Yes, it's easy to make a bold prediction for TSL...after the games have been played and broadcasted.
It was always easy. Even in their darkest days TSL aren't going to lose to a foreign team not called Mouz, Evil Geniuses or Team Liquid.
If Mouz can defeat colMVP, they can defeat TSL. The only strong player on that team is Polt
Unfortunately, many good koreans are underexposed (particularly to foreigners). Thinking that the "only strong player" in TSL is Polt is a good example of this problem. The final scores also tend to be somewhat unreliable as an overall skill comparison between the teams. Quite often, it seems to me that these "close results" are as much a merit of the losing team's players as a matter of the winners' charity. I don't mean this in a negative sense, but teams often avoid using their ace players as long as possible to help newcomers stand out. What would the score have been if TSL had sent Polt, Symbol and Revival (or Hyun, I am not sure about how good he is right now) immediately? Everyone can take games off everyone, and upsets happen, but I would say that it is overly optimistic to actually bet on the foreigner teams as of today.
Would have been closer if GiX didn't throw away his game. Don't even know why he played such a heavy heavy macro game when he doesn't seem like he has the multitask skill to even handle it properly at all. Running his infestors that had lots of energy away from speed roaches without even fungalling them was such a noob mistake.
Lol at the TL write up prediction of 5-2 ReIGN. Some people are just delusional to the extent that they think random code B players like Symbol and Ragnarok are worse than 'well known foreigners'. TSL didn't even use their ace players, I have barely seen any of these players before, but I knew they would easily dispatch a decent foreign team.
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