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My favorite thing to do regarding GSL LR threads is to LR AND Update at the same time...... but freaking AoL progresses so fast that I barely have enough time to update the thread.......
Both July and Losira are 1-0 on this map in the GSL
And we start off with a huge map. These players have the honour of being the ONLY players to have ever won a game on this map in Korea, with a blinding record of 1-0 each. One must fall though! And it looks like it'll be July
The stats are pretty bad looking. July is 5-12 in all ZvZs in Korea, and two of those wins were to YugiOh! On the flip side, Losira has a pretty good record, going 16-11 overall. The only issue there is that 5 of those losses were to Nestea, back when his ZvZ was pretty unbeatable. On top of this, Losira is 2-0 ahead on the head-to-head for these guys. DUAL SIGHT
July is 2-4 on this map in the GSL, while Losira is 4-4
July's unbeaten in ZvZ on this map, with a massive 1-0 record, with a win over Luvsic. Losira isn't favouring as well, with a 0-2 record overall, losing to Nestea and Coca. BEL'SHIR BEACH
July is 4-6 on this map in the GSL, while Losira is 2-2
Pretty equal footing here. Both players are equally bad at ZvZ on this map. July is 0-2, losing to DRG and YugiOh, and Losira is 0-1, losing to Nestea. Actually...that's forgiveable... METROPOLIS
Neither player has played on this map in the GSL
Well neither player has had a game on this map, so we're entering new territory. In fact, this is the fourth game ever on this map, and the other 3 games involved Terran. New territory for all!
On January 04 2012 03:35 Kyhol wrote: I hope we see a TvZ finals. TvZ is so epic right now.
Almost always goes into 4 base vs 4 base wars of attrition. So good. Would like to see zergs transition more, with the latest trend towards sky terran.
My favorite thing to do regarding GSL LR threads is to LR AND Update at the same time...... but freaking AoL progresses so fast that I barely have enough time to update the thread.......
I'm sad :[
But now that AoL RO4 has begun, LET'S SEE IF I CAN LR THIS SHIT!!!
Odd, I feel JulyZerg's ZvT style would be perfect for ZvZ.
Lots of 1-base (or later expands), some fast pool ling play, some baneling + ling speed play, some baneling cheese, some fast mutas, millions of roach builds... isn't that like most of the common ZvZ strategies?
My favorite thing to do regarding GSL LR threads is to LR AND Update at the same time...... but freaking AoL progresses so fast that I barely have enough time to update the thread.......
I'm sad :[
But now that AoL RO4 has begun, LET'S SEE IF I CAN LR THIS SHIT!!!
I think we need like a live report recruitment thread or something lol
My favorite thing to do regarding GSL LR threads is to LR AND Update at the same time...... but freaking AoL progresses so fast that I barely have enough time to update the thread.......
I'm sad :[
But now that AoL RO4 has begun, LET'S SEE IF I CAN LR THIS SHIT!!!
I think we need like a live report recruitment thread or something lol
Lol! I was actually thinking of creating a thread with this title:
Team Liquid Live Reports Thread
It would be a thread where all Live Reports would be linked to there. And if ppl needed a tournament Live Reported, we would have a staff ready to take action as long as they posted in that thread.
Hoping LosirA can take the whole thing. I think he'll be alright vs july, and think that if MKP can take out DRG, LosirA will have the tournament. However, I see DRG dismantling MKP, and a ZVZ finals with DRG taking the top place.
Damnit why couldn't it be MKP vs DRG in the finals
Oh well, epic match tonight between those two for sure (think Losira is gonna just walk over July TBH), think DRG's gotta be the favourite but I'll vote MKP in the poll to show my support.
DRG vs MKP should be close and I really really want MKP to win because TvZ is my (and generally considered to be) favourite match up to watch and ZvZ is my least favourite matchup to watch
On January 04 2012 05:42 NexUmbra wrote: Losira vZ: 16-11 (59.26%)
July vZ: 5-12 (29.41%)
July's ZvZ is hilariously bad ;p
DRG vs MKP should be close and I really really want MKP to win because TvZ is my (and generally considered to be) favourite match up to watch and ZvZ is my least favourite matchup to watch
Agreed.
Also, MKP is definitely the King of Kongs, even if DRG wins. DRG is more of a Bisu (really strong in PL, not so much in StarLeagues), while MKP is more of a Stork.
I'm still excited for the Losira vs. DRG finals that probably await us :p. Both are very good in ZvZ, which is an underrated matchup if played properly imo. Still better than anything involving protoss these days in terms of entertainment I'd say :x
On January 04 2012 06:22 FlyingDike wrote: DRG is going to destroy MKP just like he did in his group and in KSL.
And in the last AOL finals... You can't sell "MKP Online mode enabled" short, he's like 10 times stronger than "MKP GSL simlocked". I think MKP is the scariest player online tbh, and some others (even Korean pros) think so too.
Losira is gonna drop kick July into retirement, unfortunately. MKP vs DRG I honestly can't call, DRG is better, but MKP is really good at TvZ, and he's destined to win this tournament.
On January 04 2012 07:42 maybenexttime wrote: Calling July a kong is fucking disrespectful. He's one of the most accomplished StarCraft players, for fuck's sake. T_____T Sigh, gomtv... ;/
well its just for fun, technically it is "every player who got 2nd place and never first in gsl open/code s". And they just use kong loosely, to mean all their silver title holders for gsl!
On January 04 2012 07:42 maybenexttime wrote: Calling July a kong is fucking disrespectful. He's one of the most accomplished StarCraft players, for fuck's sake. T_____T Sigh, gomtv... ;/
XFD if he actually cared he wouldn't be playing in the tourney.
Yea, July's a long shot. DRG vs MKP should have some great games though. I'm rooting for DRG, but I'm not sure how I feel about having a ZvZ finals....
On January 04 2012 07:40 Hall0wed wrote: So finals are pretty much tonight, as MKP vs DRG should be the final.
Losira's ZvT was pretty sick, or at least his creep spread was. Guy's been working hard on it :D
Losira's ZvT was never that bad, it was just his early game that sucked balls. He seemed to be unable to defend any kind of 2-rax, now that he has learned to defend it properly I feel like it will become his best matchup, 'cause protosses are catching up in ZvP.
On January 04 2012 09:13 StarVe wrote: Wtf, MKP is actually playing from Germany? I thought they'd play it a bit in advance if it was from replays anyway.
On January 04 2012 09:13 StarVe wrote: Wtf, MKP is actually playing from Germany? I thought they'd play it a bit in advance if it was from replays anyway.
@MKPS2 won't stream tonight it is 1am here and we have to get up at 5am so he can play vs DRG his aol king kong match.
I hope they'll play it at least on US, if not, MKP has little to no chance of winning.
Wtf? I had no idea MKP was playing from Germany..... cool.....
This pretty much means that even though AoL games are replays, they were not played that far in advance :D
Yeah, neither did I. I guess it's only from now on (RO4). Reis tweeted something about them testing the connection to the KR server, so it seems like MKP will have to play on KR. That's unfortunate.
gah ok I made my fanpic, but I dont want to post it at the bottom of this page Quick, someone post something once more then I'll post my renditions! ;D
Ouch. It's hard enough for mkp to beat drg in a lan or online with the same server, but if he has to play on kr from germany, then he basically has no chance. Shows mkp's dedication to foreign tourneys for basically giving himself no shot at aol title by going to home story cup instead.
Well I can see any of the finals looking good, as long as it's not ZvZ that is. All 3 Zergs I feel are pretty close in level. July might be a bit behind the other two, and losira a little behind DRG, but we haven't really seen losira much lately. Considering how inconsistently consistent (is that consistent then?) MKP is, any TvZ seems like it should be an ok finals :D
LFG MKP & DRG. Either way whoever wins that match wins the whole thing. July's been kinda inconsistent with ZvZ, and haven't heard from Losira since his Code S final loss to Nestea.
Moldor should be changed to Moldorm, the Legend of Zelda boss.
On January 04 2012 15:56 Seeker wrote: MKP vs LosirA finals would be awesome!
Well..... honestly MKP vs DRG finals would be better but since we can't have that, might as well settle for option B
I've felt that MKP v DRG finals would be a win-win situation for both of them. DRG would win the series as expected, and MKP would win the title of Kong.
On January 04 2012 17:28 tuho12345 wrote: Wait did they already played this yesterday? He's in German right now and these games will be started in a few mins
On January 04 2012 17:28 tuho12345 wrote: Wait did they already played this yesterday? He's in German right now and these games will be started in a few mins
They got up early to play these games at 5am from Germany to the Korean server lol, I have my doubts on whether MKP could overcome that.
On January 04 2012 17:28 tuho12345 wrote: Wait did they already played this yesterday? He's in German right now and these games will be started in a few mins
They got up early to play these games at 5am from Germany to the Korean server lol, I have my doubts on whether MKP could overcome that.
On January 04 2012 17:28 tuho12345 wrote: Wait did they already played this yesterday? He's in German right now and these games will be started in a few mins
They got up early to play these games at 5am from Germany to the Korean server lol, I have my doubts on whether MKP could overcome that.
Both July and Losira are 1-0 on this map in the GSL
And we start off with a huge map. These players have the honour of being the ONLY players to have ever won a game on this map in Korea, with a blinding record of 1-0 each. One must fall though! And it looks like it'll be July
The stats are pretty bad looking. July is 5-12 in all ZvZs in Korea, and two of those wins were to YugiOh! On the flip side, Losira has a pretty good record, going 16-11 overall. The only issue there is that 5 of those losses were to Nestea, back when his ZvZ was pretty unbeatable. On top of this, Losira is 2-0 ahead on the head-to-head for these guys.
Ugh. July would have had a shot at that game if he'd just split those banelings going up the ramp. 6 for 2 on one base is too much to come back from that early.
On January 04 2012 18:18 Pandemona wrote: Well if MKP telling us to watch AoL...i think he might of won vs DRG xD he is the king of kong anyway and should be forced to win this xD
He also posted on his twitter before the group matches. Spoiled those matches too, but I don't care that much since they're replays anyway.
Lots of people talking about July's roach switch like it mattered. He was pretty dead. Roaches were probably better than going for lings/blings in that situation
On January 04 2012 18:25 jeeneeus wrote: Why do you tech to roaches when you have the game basically won if you just rally lings and micro decently?
That would be a good question if that was the situation here. With only 9 drones, he couldn't support enough ling production to battle speedling and banelings off 13 drones. He needed to block the ramp with his roaches to survive, only hope, but wasn't given the chance.
On January 04 2012 18:26 Noktix wrote: Lots of people talking about July's roach switch like it mattered. He was pretty dead. Roaches were probably better than going for lings/blings in that situation
No, going roaches was probably the worst thing he could do =P Queens are better than roaches when you're on 9 drones O_o
July is 2-4 on this map in the GSL, while Losira is 4-4
July's unbeaten in ZvZ on this map, with a massive 1-0 record, with a win over Luvsic. Losira isn't favouring as well, with a 0-2 record overall, losing to Nestea and Coca. BEL'SHIR BEACH
July is 4-6 on this map in the GSL, while Losira is 2-2
Pretty equal footing here. Both players are equally bad at ZvZ on this map. July is 0-2, losing to DRG and YugiOh, and Losira is 0-1, losing to Nestea. Actually...that's forgiveable...
With 9 drones, I'm pretty sure you can make lings nonstop. Since Losira had no queen, July's production was better. If you micro well enough against the banes (2/3 lings lost per bane) you can overrun him or at least pick off a couple drones. In that situation, you kind of have to constantly put on pressure to force a mistake from the opponent. Trying to tech with 9 drones isn't going to win you the game.
Well neither player has had a game on this map, so we're entering new territory. In fact, this is the fourth game ever on this map, and the other 3 games involved Terran. New territory for all!
On January 04 2012 18:26 Noktix wrote: Lots of people talking about July's roach switch like it mattered. He was pretty dead. Roaches were probably better than going for lings/blings in that situation
No, going roaches was probably the worst thing he could do =P Queens are better than roaches when you're on 9 drones O_o
Wat? So when you're behind in drones, lings, and tech, you should pump out less lings than Losira can? Mmmmm no. Roaches are a better response.
Once again, any response is a losing one in that situation..
On January 04 2012 18:29 jeeneeus wrote: With 9 drones, I'm pretty sure you can make lings nonstop. Since Losira had no queen, July's production was better. If you micro well enough against the banes (2/3 lings lost per bane) you can overrun him or at least pick off a couple drones. In that situation, you kind of have to constantly put on pressure to force a mistake from the opponent. Trying to tech with 9 drones isn't going to win you the game.
Besides, you don't need roaches to block the ramp, the roach warren itself could be a backup queen.
On January 04 2012 18:31 SidianTheBard wrote: Man ZvZ is just terrible to watch...even when it gets endgame it's still boring as hell.
I dare to disagree. THIS ZvZ is terrible to watch, but lategame is exciting, or at least could be. I dont understand why progamers tend to play quick micro based games instead of a macro games. Its really a coinflip. Im soo sad.
Losira vs MKP for the finals would certainly be the most fitting possible matchup for this tournament. Losira might be getting his 3rd silver, and MarineKing might win the customary special event.
Then again, DRG could win this next match and screw all that up. Gah, I really don't want to root against him.
On January 04 2012 18:38 TmzZ666 wrote: Moletrap sounds so much better than Wolf last two days. Sorry Wolf.
No. Just no Dont touch lone wolf He is awesome!
They have different skills. Wolf is a good analyst being a player, Moletrap is a good play by play caster. Play by play is probably better individually though (for the wider audience), I have to admit.
On January 04 2012 18:46 Shock710 wrote: wolf isnt bad he actullyn is pretty awesome i liked his other gsl casts but just those last ones were i to admit ...dull moletrap doing great so far
Amazing timing with that push. I guess MKP knew that the Spire wouldn't be up in time since DRG committed so much to that failed Roach/Bane aggression.
Marineking showing the exact timing to punish a uncommitted roach ling bane all in. Yes, that was an all in by DRG, Marineking had equal worker count during his own timing attack - 0% chance DRG holds.
On January 04 2012 19:01 Micket wrote: Marineking showing the exact timing to punish a uncommitted roach ling bane all in. Yes, that was an all in by DRG, Marineking had equal worker count during his own timing attack - 0% chance DRG holds.
indeed really good counter and sweet build by MKP (no way he'd have died to DRG's all in)
On January 04 2012 19:04 Fearest wrote: I'm really glad MKP went mech that game, he was starting to use bio too much in all match up and being too predictable. Or play a little too cute.
I hope his coach make him do mech for a month straight and other strats that go for solid safe play.
TBH MKP has always mixed in mech in TvZ, he was one of the first guys to swap things up like that (see games vs Kyrix on Terminus, and vs Sen on Crossfire etc)
I love moletrap as a person but I feel like he has no idea what is actually going on in these games, game 1 of drg there was a lot of decisionmaking to discuss that someone like artosis would have discussed for the audience, no offense but ever since artosis has strarted streaming and commenting regularly ive become less satisfied with other casters =/ still luv you moletrap!
On January 04 2012 19:10 Demidyne wrote: I love moletrap as a person but I feel like he has no idea what is actually going on in these games, game 1 of drg there was a lot of decisionmaking to discuss that someone like artosis would have discussed for the audience, no offense but ever since artosis has strarted streaming and commenting regularly ive become less satisfied with other casters =/ still luv you moletrap!
True but I think its hard to do that when solo casting. And Moletrap is a play by play commentator.
On January 04 2012 19:12 Poopi wrote: Why did they make him play from EU -;- T;T
It's not live !! All the games have already been played.
Moletrap is casting the replays.
How can I know yesterday there was a tweet saying that MKP had to wake up at 5am in order to play AoL games. So if that's not these games it's the final against LosirA? lol
I have the feeling, that this popular Marauder/Hellion pushes will disappear, because if they don't do significant damage (like in this 2nd game) the terra is so behind because no tanks/marines to stop muta/bane... WP by DRG
On January 04 2012 19:12 Poopi wrote: Why did they make him play from EU -;- T;T
These are not live, you know....
Quoting SK.Reis (whom MKP is staying with during his time in Germany): @MKPS2 won't stream tonight it is 1am here and we have to get up at 5am so he can play vs DRG his aol king kong match.
So even if the matches are not broadcasted live, they cannot be very old.
That's some slow stutter step from MKP, and he usually has one of the best. Could there be some lag on Bnet? :p
Edit: Oh I just read above that he's playing from EU. That's not surprising then, his stutter step is actually surprisingly good for that amount of lag :D
On January 04 2012 19:19 ZenithM wrote: That's some slow stutter step from MKP, and he usually has one of the best. Could there be some lag on Bnet? :p
Bud I think that's lag in the brain too. Jetlag plus Eu ---> Korea lag PLUS playing at 5am. Uncool
Wow that really sucks, jet lagged, up early, and other-side-of-the-world lag :|
Heh, I don't think the jet lag will matter since MKP just got there and is probably still on Korean time. Lag, however, will be pretty big when trying to split vs banes and stimmng to catch mutas.
On January 04 2012 19:23 Seeker wrote: AHAHAHAHA!!! MECHKINGPRIME RETURNS!!!
I think he realized last game that he can't micro well enough to play bio from EU so he went with mech. The smart choice IMO.
...again, these are replays, they've been played earlier...
Again, if you have more infos than SK.reis at whom MKP stays while in germany and who tweeted that MKP plays the semifinals from germany, please let us know.
On January 04 2012 19:22 CryMeAReaper wrote: Good idea to mech since it isnt as micro heavy as bio, playing from Europe. Still sucks for him, oh well he made the decision to go himself ^^
He's been going mech quite a lot recently, I don't think it has much to do with him playing from wherever he's playing from.
On January 04 2012 19:22 CryMeAReaper wrote: Good idea to mech since it isnt as micro heavy as bio, playing from Europe. Still sucks for him, oh well he made the decision to go himself ^^
He's been going mech quite a lot recently, I don't think it has much to do with him playing from wherever he's playing from.
That sexy move with the Raven and hellions solely running around killing creep was AMAZING
On January 04 2012 19:22 CryMeAReaper wrote: Good idea to mech since it isnt as micro heavy as bio, playing from Europe. Still sucks for him, oh well he made the decision to go himself ^^
He's been going mech quite a lot recently, I don't think it has much to do with him playing from wherever he's playing from.
Still the better choice as it's less micro heavy (thinking splitsecond splitting) imo.
Phew I'm glad this game is over, all that repair on the third and the armory to save them all made me want to puke. Makes me happy to see DRG still win :D
Guys, simple question: Is the adrenalin upgrade (not sure how its called in SC2) for the ling so cost inefficient, since I never saw it being upgraded, while zergling look like the backbone of zerg late game. (sorry never played the game, just watching from time to time)
On January 04 2012 19:33 Makelius wrote: did he dance with the thors?
Dancing an NP'd unit just before the NP is over makes the unit continue dancing after the NP is over, so it was probably a legit move as well as a funny little BM.
On January 04 2012 19:33 Dodgin wrote: I have to give moletrap credit, he is showing enthusiasm for these games where as wolf sounded really bored before.
Wolf was casting rainbow. Im sure even Day9 would not sound enthused
On January 04 2012 19:34 M2 wrote: Guys, simple question: Is the adrenalin upgrade for the ling so cost inefficient in SC2, since I never saw it being upgraded, while zergling look like the backbone of zerg late game. (sorry never played the game, just watching from time to time)
On January 04 2012 19:34 M2 wrote: Guys, simple question: Is the adrenalin upgrade for the ling so cost inefficient in SC2, since I never saw it being upgraded, while zergling look like the backbone of zerg late game. (sorry never played the game, just watching from time to time)
No it's awesome. Lategame 3-3 lings with adrenal glands DESTROY 3-3 zealots. Zergs players are just lazy and don't get it.
On January 04 2012 19:33 Makelius wrote: did he dance with the thors?
He did, i think. It's not really a bm move, as dancing them will cause them to not attack for a while after neural dissipates.
It would definitely be considered cheating I think.
Are you fucking kidding me? Blizzard's known about /dance not being cancelled when NP ran out for a while: I did this something like half a year ago. It's not cheating. Christ.
On January 04 2012 19:34 M2 wrote: Guys, simple question: Is the adrenalin upgrade for the ling so cost inefficient in SC2, since I never saw it being upgraded, while zergling look like the backbone of zerg late game. (sorry never played the game, just watching from time to time)
Adrenaline is good to upgrade, especially when your army holds a lot of lings.
On January 04 2012 19:35 Pipeline wrote: So many MKP fanboys blaming lag, EU, jetlag etc. No one forced MKP to go to EU, he made the choice of going for homestorycup himself.
Hmm do you have to be a fanboy to consider that his subpar micro/general play might have something to do with him playing from a different server? I see. Theres a difference between explaining and excusing.
On January 04 2012 19:35 Pipeline wrote: So many MKP fanboys blaming lag, EU, jetlag etc. No one forced MKP to go to EU, he made the choice of going for homestorycup himself.
Right, and we're saying exactly that: it's BECAUSE he choose to go to EU, he is causing himself lag and therefore losing some of these games. No one is really saying he got forced to do it or what not.
PS: it's not really blaming when it is some logical deductions. We know for a fact that it was MKP's choice to have this handicap for himself.
On January 04 2012 19:34 M2 wrote: Guys, simple question: Is the adrenalin upgrade for the ling so cost inefficient in SC2, since I never saw it being upgraded, while zergling look like the backbone of zerg late game. (sorry never played the game, just watching from time to time)
It's amazing, people just forget to upgrade it.
Its not amazing. Many pro zergs have said it that its not even close of being worth the 200/200. It affects zerglings less than attack upgrades do, and unlike attack upgrades, it only affects zerglings.
On January 04 2012 19:33 Makelius wrote: did he dance with the thors?
He did, i think. It's not really a bm move, as dancing them will cause them to not attack for a while after neural dissipates.
It would definitely be considered cheating I think.
Are you fucking kidding me? Blizzard's known about /dance not being cancelled when NP ran out for a while: I did this something like half a year ago. It's not cheating. Christ.
Out of all things in this game to abuse, why would this one be cheating? Not only is it funny and not a huge deal, but how often will you see it actually making a big difference, not to mention even being used in the first place...
On January 04 2012 19:34 M2 wrote: Guys, simple question: Is the adrenalin upgrade for the ling so cost inefficient in SC2, since I never saw it being upgraded, while zergling look like the backbone of zerg late game. (sorry never played the game, just watching from time to time)
It's amazing, people just forget to upgrade it.
This is kind of strange, coz being forgotten from time to time is understandable, but I almost never see it being upgraded, but maybe its just me, I dont watch too many games
On January 04 2012 19:34 M2 wrote: Guys, simple question: Is the adrenalin upgrade for the ling so cost inefficient in SC2, since I never saw it being upgraded, while zergling look like the backbone of zerg late game. (sorry never played the game, just watching from time to time)
It's amazing, people just forget to upgrade it.
Its not amazing. Many pro zergs have said it that its not even close of being worth the 200/200.
On January 04 2012 19:33 Makelius wrote: did he dance with the thors?
He did, i think. It's not really a bm move, as dancing them will cause them to not attack for a while after neural dissipates.
It would definitely be considered cheating I think.
Are you fucking kidding me? Blizzard's known about /dance not being cancelled when NP ran out for a while: I did this something like half a year ago. It's not cheating. Christ.
On January 04 2012 19:34 M2 wrote: Guys, simple question: Is the adrenalin upgrade for the ling so cost inefficient in SC2, since I never saw it being upgraded, while zergling look like the backbone of zerg late game. (sorry never played the game, just watching from time to time)
It's amazing, people just forget to upgrade it.
Its not amazing. Many pro zergs have said it that its not even close of being worth the 200/200.
On January 04 2012 19:34 M2 wrote: Guys, simple question: Is the adrenalin upgrade for the ling so cost inefficient in SC2, since I never saw it being upgraded, while zergling look like the backbone of zerg late game. (sorry never played the game, just watching from time to time)
It's amazing, people just forget to upgrade it.
Its not amazing. Many pro zergs have said it that its not even close of being worth the 200/200.
Really who? (geniunely interested)
Morrow said it yestearday on stream chat. I cant remember exactly who the other zergs are who said it, but I think idra has at some point.
On January 04 2012 19:34 M2 wrote: Guys, simple question: Is the adrenalin upgrade for the ling so cost inefficient in SC2, since I never saw it being upgraded, while zergling look like the backbone of zerg late game. (sorry never played the game, just watching from time to time)
It's amazing, people just forget to upgrade it.
Its not amazing. Many pro zergs have said it that its not even close of being worth the 200/200.
Really who? (geniunely interested)
Morrow said it yestearday on stream chat. I cant remember exactly who the other zergs are who said it, but I think idra has at some point.
Ahh, cool. I guess 200 gas is pretty precious at hive tech.
But being able to make your mineral dump more powerful is so cool.
On January 04 2012 19:34 M2 wrote: Guys, simple question: Is the adrenalin upgrade for the ling so cost inefficient in SC2, since I never saw it being upgraded, while zergling look like the backbone of zerg late game. (sorry never played the game, just watching from time to time)
It's amazing, people just forget to upgrade it.
Its not amazing. Many pro zergs have said it that its not even close of being worth the 200/200. It affects zerglings less than attack upgrades do, and unlike attack upgrades, it only affects zerglings.
fully upgraded it gives a 3-3 ling against a marine with 3-3 and medivac, 58% more damage output!!!, thats not worth it? its more then damage upgrade 1 gives (which is "only" 20%)
On January 04 2012 19:34 M2 wrote: Guys, simple question: Is the adrenalin upgrade for the ling so cost inefficient in SC2, since I never saw it being upgraded, while zergling look like the backbone of zerg late game. (sorry never played the game, just watching from time to time)
It's amazing, people just forget to upgrade it.
Its not amazing. Many pro zergs have said it that its not even close of being worth the 200/200.
Really who? (geniunely interested)
Morrow said it yestearday on stream chat. I cant remember exactly who the other zergs are who said it, but I think idra has at some point.
Ahh, cool. I guess 200 gas is pretty precious at hive tech.
But being able to make your mineral dump more powerful is so cool.
Its weird though. A 35% increase in damage should be worth 200/200 considering how useful ling counters can be late-game. That's what, 4 less lings and 1 less infestor to make your counter-force 25% better? I'd pay that
On January 04 2012 19:34 M2 wrote: Guys, simple question: Is the adrenalin upgrade for the ling so cost inefficient in SC2, since I never saw it being upgraded, while zergling look like the backbone of zerg late game. (sorry never played the game, just watching from time to time)
It's amazing, people just forget to upgrade it.
This is kind of strange, coz being forgotten from time to time is understandable, but I almost never see it being upgraded, but maybe its just me, I dont watch too many games
I hope you guys are watching the production tab now -.-
On January 04 2012 19:34 M2 wrote: Guys, simple question: Is the adrenalin upgrade for the ling so cost inefficient in SC2, since I never saw it being upgraded, while zergling look like the backbone of zerg late game. (sorry never played the game, just watching from time to time)
It's amazing, people just forget to upgrade it.
Its not amazing. Many pro zergs have said it that its not even close of being worth the 200/200. It affects zerglings less than attack upgrades do, and unlike attack upgrades, it only affects zerglings.
fully upgraded it gives a 3-3 ling against a marine with 3-3 and medivac, 58% more damage output!!!, thats not worth it? its more then damage upgrade 1 gives (which is "only" 20%)
Against moving targets adrealine glands give 0% attack upgrade, as the lings cannot hit at every cooldown even without the upgrade.
On January 04 2012 19:33 Makelius wrote: did he dance with the thors?
He did, i think. It's not really a bm move, as dancing them will cause them to not attack for a while after neural dissipates.
It would definitely be considered cheating I think.
Are you fucking kidding me? Blizzard's known about /dance not being cancelled when NP ran out for a while: I did this something like half a year ago. It's not cheating. Christ.
Out of all things in this game to abuse, why would this one be cheating? Not only is it funny and not a huge deal, but how often will you see it actually making a big difference, not to mention even being used in the first place...
Well nvm if this shit is intended. But having your unit be stolen longer than it should (I thought the Thor danced indefinitely after that actually) seems like a bug to me, and quite unfair. In BW you had bugs that you would get banned for using in tournaments, like observers on missile turrets.
Edit: I'm rather surprised that I'm alone on this one tbh :D, I don't see how it can be universal that a bug like that which renders your units unfairly useless for like forever is "fucking cool" and an interesting gameplay element"...I would have expected some support from Terran players at least.
On January 04 2012 19:34 M2 wrote: Guys, simple question: Is the adrenalin upgrade for the ling so cost inefficient in SC2, since I never saw it being upgraded, while zergling look like the backbone of zerg late game. (sorry never played the game, just watching from time to time)
It's amazing, people just forget to upgrade it.
Its not amazing. Many pro zergs have said it that its not even close of being worth the 200/200. It affects zerglings less than attack upgrades do, and unlike attack upgrades, it only affects zerglings.
fully upgraded it gives a 3-3 ling against a marine with 3-3 and medivac, 58% more damage output!!!, thats not worth it? its more then damage upgrade 1 gives (which is "only" 20%)
Against moving targets adrealine glands give 0% attack upgrade, as the lings cannot hit at every cooldown even without the upgrade.
Against static things though, like un-microed units, surround and buildings, which is what ling counters thrive in, it is amazing
On January 04 2012 19:51 dmnum wrote: Some people say ultras are bad, DRG shows that they are good. Some people say that adrenal is bad, DRG show it is good.
On January 04 2012 19:51 dmnum wrote: Some people say ultras are bad, DRG shows that they are good. Some people say that adrenal is bad, DRG show it is good.
On January 04 2012 19:51 dmnum wrote: Some people say ultras are bad, DRG shows that they are good. Some people say that adrenal is bad, DRG show it is good.
Even DRG says that the Ultralisk is bad, so. :p
Care to link the interview?
He mentioned in on twitter. I cannot be arsed to dig back to 2 months past of tweets, but he def said so. So did another korean Zerg but I cannot remember who.
On January 04 2012 19:51 Thurken wrote: Everything looks strong when you're facing someone with massive lag
Wtf are you talking about.. you do realize these are replays??
You do realise these games were played from germany? Damn some people :D
Yeah some people.. blaming losses on lag LOL
Lol are you **? :D go play from EU to KR or KR to EU. If Polt can lose to someone like LaLush (lollololol) by playing cross-server, playing against a top 3 zerg with massive lag is autolose
On January 04 2012 19:50 DMKraft wrote: I figured MKP was out when I saw him stream a plat level account today instead of practising
So HSC4 is not worth practicing for in your opinion?
Well he was leveling up a Euro acc to practise for HSC, whereas he would of been on Korean ladder if he was in the AOL finals. Feel free to put more words in my mouth though.
Dammit. He had a shot until he went for that final attack and the lings got in his base. Should have just defended his middle expo and kept up with drops.
On January 04 2012 19:51 dmnum wrote: Some people say ultras are bad, DRG shows that they are good. Some people say that adrenal is bad, DRG show it is good.
Even DRG says that the Ultralisk is bad, so. :p
Care to link the interview?
He mentioned in on twitter. I cannot be arsed to dig back to 2 months past of tweets, but he def said so. So did another korean Zerg but I cannot remember who.
On January 04 2012 19:51 Thurken wrote: Everything looks strong when you're facing someone with massive lag
Wtf are you talking about.. you do realize these are replays??
You do realise these games were played from germany? Damn some people :D
Yeah some people.. blaming losses on lag LOL
Lol are you **? :D go play from EU to KR or KR to EU. If Polt can lose to someone like LaLush (lollololol) by playing cross-server, playing against a top 3 zerg with massive lag is autolose
He definitely didn't play from Europe. These are replays, I can bet the finals have been played already.
On January 04 2012 19:51 Thurken wrote: Everything looks strong when you're facing someone with massive lag
Wtf are you talking about.. you do realize these are replays??
You do realise these games were played from germany? Damn some people :D
Yeah some people.. blaming losses on lag LOL
Lol are you **? :D go play from EU to KR or KR to EU. If Polt can lose to someone like LaLush (lollololol) by playing cross-server, playing against a top 3 zerg with massive lag is autolose
LaLush isn't as bad as you think and Polt isn't as strong as you think.
On topic: Good series. Can't wait to see a good ZvZ final.
On January 04 2012 19:55 Swede wrote: ROFL he might actually have this. DRG is drying up. OSIJDFOIJAODIJFOSIDJOIFJ
GOOOO MARINEKING!!!
Lol drying up. xD Something like 1400 mineral income vs 450 Wrong way around.
He had a lot banked but he only had 2ish expos mining, which is not a lot for zerg. Maybe I underestimated, but I still think MKP had a small window if he'd kept that last ling run by from happening and defended his mid expo.
On January 04 2012 19:51 Thurken wrote: Everything looks strong when you're facing someone with massive lag
Wtf are you talking about.. you do realize these are replays??
You do realise these games were played from germany? Damn some people :D
Yeah some people.. blaming losses on lag LOL
Lol are you **? :D go play from EU to KR or KR to EU. If Polt can lose to someone like LaLush (lollololol) by playing cross-server, playing against a top 3 zerg with massive lag is autolose
He definitely didn't play from Europe. These are replays, I can bet the finals have been played already.
For the 1000000000th time, he played in europe. Guess what, they can record replays while in europe too, omgz amazing discovery!!
On January 04 2012 19:57 Blaec wrote: Please be an interested ZvZ final. Not just 7 ling/bane games finished in about an hour.
DRG unfortunately plays those fast ling bane zvzs almost everytime. But who knows. I thought the Losira Nestea finals was entertaining, neat builds and all that, so maybe this one will pull through too.
i dont think u can call sc2 zergling with attack speed upgrade crackings, casue they dont even make the crack sound, (maybe should be part of upgrade? that would be awesome)
On January 04 2012 19:51 Thurken wrote: Everything looks strong when you're facing someone with massive lag
Wtf are you talking about.. you do realize these are replays??
You do realise these games were played from germany? Damn some people :D
Yeah some people.. blaming losses on lag LOL
Lol are you **? :D go play from EU to KR or KR to EU. If Polt can lose to someone like LaLush (lollololol) by playing cross-server, playing against a top 3 zerg with massive lag is autolose
He definitely didn't play from Europe. These are replays, I can bet the finals have been played already.
It's been established 7+ pages ago that these games were played in Germany. Read for once.
On January 04 2012 19:51 dmnum wrote: Some people say ultras are bad, DRG shows that they are good. Some people say that adrenal is bad, DRG show it is good.
Even DRG says that the Ultralisk is bad, so. :p
Care to link the interview?
He mentioned in on twitter. I cannot be arsed to dig back to 2 months past of tweets, but he def said so. So did another korean Zerg but I cannot remember who.
Mentioned it in korean or english?
It was a rage-tweet after he lost to Supernova (?) in GSL (translated as something like "never again will I use ultrash". Clearly he doesn't think they're bad or he wouldn't be using them so much recently, unless he's simply on a mission to prove a bunch of TL posters idiots
On January 04 2012 19:51 Thurken wrote: Everything looks strong when you're facing someone with massive lag
Wtf are you talking about.. you do realize these are replays??
You do realise these games were played from germany? Damn some people :D
Yeah some people.. blaming losses on lag LOL
Lol are you **? :D go play from EU to KR or KR to EU. If Polt can lose to someone like LaLush (lollololol) by playing cross-server, playing against a top 3 zerg with massive lag is autolose
He definitely didn't play from Europe. These are replays, I can bet the finals have been played already.
He tweeted he had to play at 5am this morning from Germany. But don't let facts get in the way of anything, this is the interweb after all.
On January 04 2012 19:50 LimitSEA wrote: DRG making ultras.. not fail? :/ I don't get it, what the hell's happening.
Ultras work great with lings and infestors against terran (if they find a game where there are no ghosts ^.^). They are a waste of money and supply against protoss though.
On January 04 2012 20:00 Seeker wrote: Sigh..... I am disappointed..... a ZvZ finals....
ZvZ with DRG and Losira could be badass. It's a pretty awesome match up, even the short games. But games that go past ling/bane or roach timings can get really weird/awesome.
On January 04 2012 19:50 LimitSEA wrote: DRG making ultras.. not fail? :/ I don't get it, what the hell's happening.
Ultras work great with lings and infestors against terran (if they find a game where there are no ghosts ^.^). They are a waste of money and supply against protoss though.
That's because 99% of ZvP end up being mass muta by minute 20. Ultras can still be good...but why when you have muta? o_O
On January 04 2012 19:51 Thurken wrote: Everything looks strong when you're facing someone with massive lag
Wtf are you talking about.. you do realize these are replays??
You do realise these games were played from germany? Damn some people :D
Yeah some people.. blaming losses on lag LOL
Lol are you **? :D go play from EU to KR or KR to EU. If Polt can lose to someone like LaLush (lollololol) by playing cross-server, playing against a top 3 zerg with massive lag is autolose
He definitely didn't play from Europe. These are replays, I can bet the finals have been played already.
I like your confidence, especially when MKP's host in europe pretty much implied that he played it from his house.
On January 04 2012 19:48 Asha` wrote: Antiga's architecture pretty much saving MKP right now, as usual Zerg is finding it very hard to secure a fourth for any significant length of time.
That's just plain stupid, antiga has huge ass spaces that allow for multiple flanks.
On January 04 2012 19:50 LimitSEA wrote: DRG making ultras.. not fail? :/ I don't get it, what the hell's happening.
Ultras work great with lings and infestors against terran (if they find a game where there are no ghosts ^.^). They are a waste of money and supply against protoss though.
That's because 99% of ZvP end up being mass muta by minute 20. Ultras can still be good...but why when you have muta? o_O
They're pretty bad when you consider how many units in the Protoss army do extra or neutral damage to armored. Can be okay in a few situations, but generally not.
On January 04 2012 19:51 dmnum wrote: Some people say ultras are bad, DRG shows that they are good. Some people say that adrenal is bad, DRG show it is good.
Even DRG says that the Ultralisk is bad, so. :p
Care to link the interview?
He mentioned in on twitter. I cannot be arsed to dig back to 2 months past of tweets, but he def said so. So did another korean Zerg but I cannot remember who.
Mentioned it in korean or english?
It was a rage-tweet after he lost to Supernova (?) in GSL (translated as something like "never again will I use ultrash". Clearly he doesn't think they're bad or he wouldn't be using them so much recently, unless he's simply on a mission to prove a bunch of TL posters idiots
This one? MVPDongRaeGu 박수호 내가 다시는 울레기뽑나봐라진짜 아나
I don't know korean so I can't translate myself, but that's the only tweet he made on the day he lost to supernova.
On January 04 2012 19:50 LimitSEA wrote: DRG making ultras.. not fail? :/ I don't get it, what the hell's happening.
Ultras work great with lings and infestors against terran (if they find a game where there are no ghosts ^.^). They are a waste of money and supply against protoss though.
That's because 99% of ZvP end up being mass muta by minute 20. Ultras can still be good...but why when you have muta? o_O
Stalkers and Immortals are too easy to mass (and much cheaper) so there is absolutely no reason to ever use ultras. The only purpose I can see for the ultralisk in ZvP is to break forcefields (if the protoss still have sentries late game)
On January 04 2012 19:51 dmnum wrote: Some people say ultras are bad, DRG shows that they are good. Some people say that adrenal is bad, DRG show it is good.
Even DRG says that the Ultralisk is bad, so. :p
Care to link the interview?
He mentioned in on twitter. I cannot be arsed to dig back to 2 months past of tweets, but he def said so. So did another korean Zerg but I cannot remember who.
Mentioned it in korean or english?
It was a rage-tweet after he lost to Supernova (?) in GSL (translated as something like "never again will I use ultrash". Clearly he doesn't think they're bad or he wouldn't be using them so much recently, unless he's simply on a mission to prove a bunch of TL posters idiots
This one? MVPDongRaeGu 박수호 내가 다시는 울레기뽑나봐라진짜 아나
I don't know korean so I can't translate myself, but that's the only tweet he made on the day he lost to supernova.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
OMFG!!! DRG IS HILARIOUS!!!
Translation: I'll be damned if I ever make ultras ever again, god damn it
On January 04 2012 19:51 dmnum wrote: Some people say ultras are bad, DRG shows that they are good. Some people say that adrenal is bad, DRG show it is good.
Even DRG says that the Ultralisk is bad, so. :p
Care to link the interview?
He mentioned in on twitter. I cannot be arsed to dig back to 2 months past of tweets, but he def said so. So did another korean Zerg but I cannot remember who.
Mentioned it in korean or english?
It was a rage-tweet after he lost to Supernova (?) in GSL (translated as something like "never again will I use ultrash". Clearly he doesn't think they're bad or he wouldn't be using them so much recently, unless he's simply on a mission to prove a bunch of TL posters idiots
This one? MVPDongRaeGu 박수호 내가 다시는 울레기뽑나봐라진짜 아나
I don't know korean so I can't translate myself, but that's the only tweet he made on the day he lost to supernova.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
OMFG!!! DRG IS HILARIOUS!!!
Translation: I'll be damned if I ever make ultras ever again, god damn it
Thanks for translating seeker. I wouldn't take a rage tweet like that into consideration though.
On January 04 2012 19:51 dmnum wrote: Some people say ultras are bad, DRG shows that they are good. Some people say that adrenal is bad, DRG show it is good.
Even DRG says that the Ultralisk is bad, so. :p
Care to link the interview?
He mentioned in on twitter. I cannot be arsed to dig back to 2 months past of tweets, but he def said so. So did another korean Zerg but I cannot remember who.
Mentioned it in korean or english?
It was a rage-tweet after he lost to Supernova (?) in GSL (translated as something like "never again will I use ultrash". Clearly he doesn't think they're bad or he wouldn't be using them so much recently, unless he's simply on a mission to prove a bunch of TL posters idiots
This one? MVPDongRaeGu 박수호 내가 다시는 울레기뽑나봐라진짜 아나
I don't know korean so I can't translate myself, but that's the only tweet he made on the day he lost to supernova.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
OMFG!!! DRG IS HILARIOUS!!!
Translation: I'll be damned if I ever make ultras ever again, god damn it
Lol yes. That's rly hilarious (?) o.o
Unless you're meaning he said that but used them today?
On January 04 2012 19:51 dmnum wrote: Some people say ultras are bad, DRG shows that they are good. Some people say that adrenal is bad, DRG show it is good.
Even DRG says that the Ultralisk is bad, so. :p
Care to link the interview?
He mentioned in on twitter. I cannot be arsed to dig back to 2 months past of tweets, but he def said so. So did another korean Zerg but I cannot remember who.
Mentioned it in korean or english?
It was a rage-tweet after he lost to Supernova (?) in GSL (translated as something like "never again will I use ultrash". Clearly he doesn't think they're bad or he wouldn't be using them so much recently, unless he's simply on a mission to prove a bunch of TL posters idiots
This one? MVPDongRaeGu 박수호 내가 다시는 울레기뽑나봐라진짜 아나
I don't know korean so I can't translate myself, but that's the only tweet he made on the day he lost to supernova.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
OMFG!!! DRG IS HILARIOUS!!!
Translation: I'll be damned if I ever make ultras ever again, god damn it
Lol yes. That's rly hilarious (?) o.o
Unless you're meaning he said that but used them today?
Ahhh well..... in my case I understood Korean lingo so..... you guys prolly wouldn't get it ^^;;
On January 04 2012 19:51 dmnum wrote: Some people say ultras are bad, DRG shows that they are good. Some people say that adrenal is bad, DRG show it is good.
Even DRG says that the Ultralisk is bad, so. :p
Care to link the interview?
He mentioned in on twitter. I cannot be arsed to dig back to 2 months past of tweets, but he def said so. So did another korean Zerg but I cannot remember who.
Mentioned it in korean or english?
It was a rage-tweet after he lost to Supernova (?) in GSL (translated as something like "never again will I use ultrash". Clearly he doesn't think they're bad or he wouldn't be using them so much recently, unless he's simply on a mission to prove a bunch of TL posters idiots
This one? MVPDongRaeGu 박수호 내가 다시는 울레기뽑나봐라진짜 아나
I don't know korean so I can't translate myself, but that's the only tweet he made on the day he lost to supernova.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
OMFG!!! DRG IS HILARIOUS!!!
Translation: I'll be damned if I ever make ultras ever again, god damn it
Thanks for translating seeker. I wouldn't take a rage tweet like that into consideration though.
"The other Korean" who mentioned it as well, would be Leenock.
It was a goofy idea for a special tournament anyway. If they had just made it a tournament for second place finishers then that would be fine, but any time you set out to prove something like this with a competition the result only achieves a short period of shit-disturbance. Nobody considered DRG anything like a kong and nobody will going forward.
On January 04 2012 19:51 Thurken wrote: Everything looks strong when you're facing someone with massive lag
Wtf are you talking about.. you do realize these are replays??
You do realise these games were played from germany? Damn some people :D
Yeah some people.. blaming losses on lag LOL
Lol are you **? :D go play from EU to KR or KR to EU. If Polt can lose to someone like LaLush (lollololol) by playing cross-server, playing against a top 3 zerg with massive lag is autolose
LaLush isn't as bad as you think and Polt isn't as strong as you think.
Polt played really strangely in those games. never doing a marine split etc etc. lag definitely hurt him a lot especially cuz his strongest side is micro.
and he crushed nestea/all the top zergs repeatedly on ladder not so long ago (when he was 1st). he is like 100 times better than lalush
Here's to hoping the finals are as back in forth as the ST_KingKong vs DRG in the KSL or an epic infestor muta ultra baneling macro game. (It can't be less entertaining than July vs Losira, right? right?)
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