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Hmmmmm..... desRow is in Korea.. but he's only been there a couple of days/week, so can't really comment on his current skill.. I'm gonna vote blank on this one :D Good luck to both players!
Golden. This guy's play in the IPL Team Arena has been very scary. I do not really see Desrow taking this, a 3-0 sweep is a sizable possibility for Golden. Hopefully good games though.
This is going to be so one sided :3 I'm high-master on EU and I've won with desRow on ladder, not saying that I'm better than him, maybe he had bad day, but I'm sure Golden would smash me during his worst days
On December 31 2011 06:56 Mouzone wrote: If Golden doesn't win i'll stop watching SC2 forever. No offense to Desrow but he's at least 2-3 levels below Golden.
Yes atleast. But who knows, gogo non korean people!
I did a little research and the only notable person Desrow has defeated is Inori (which is still pretty impressive) but he basically cannot defeat terrans and the I the only other I recognize that he has defeated is Hwangsin. I don't understand these showmatches with him in it.. . . .
On December 31 2011 07:06 McFeser wrote: I did a little research and the only notable person Desrow has defeated is Inori (which is still pretty impressive) but he basically cannot defeat terrans and the I the only other I recognize that he has defeated is Hwangsin. I don't understand these showmatches with him in it.. . . .
DesRow is a solid player who is really trying to make it. He also knows how to market himself well and has been slowly getting better at both playing and marketing.
The showmatches he gets are in part a result of this.
I hope Des can win since it will be a good boost for confidence and payoff for all his hard work.
desRow has been improving tremendously just watching him play and he's one of my favorite streamers. that said i think it should be considered a win for him if he takes a game or two off golden.
On January 01 2012 01:20 Simenull wrote: I'm cheering for DesRow, he really deserves this win after all his work and practice.
Just a question, why do all showmatches or post about Desrow have these infamous 1 post posters? It's the same on reddit, 5-8 people will have 1 overall post and it will be cheering for desrow and saying how great he is. Am I missing something or does Desrow have a lot of alt accounts? Edit: Prediction: Golden wins without dropping a game.
On January 01 2012 01:20 Simenull wrote: I'm cheering for DesRow, he really deserves this win after all his work and practice.
Just a question, why do all showmatches or post about Desrow have these infamous 1 post posters? It's the same on reddit, 5-8 people will have 1 overall post and it will be cheering for desrow and saying how great he is. Am I missing something or does Desrow have a lot of alt accounts? Edit: Prediction: Golden wins without dropping a game.
i dont care about TL forums i just made an account because i like desrow and i want to support him... DesRow streams the entire time so just by watching back his vods u checking the time when the post was made and the time when the vod was made u will see that desrow cant be it himself as the posts were made when he was playing games. Your obviously either stupid or not smart enought to get to this idia.....
www.twitch.tv/desrowfighting check the time when the vod was made and post time. Serioiusly most of the people on this forum are either stupid or obvious troll there onley a few that have acutaly a brain...
On January 01 2012 01:20 Simenull wrote: I'm cheering for DesRow, he really deserves this win after all his work and practice.
Just a question, why do all showmatches or post about Desrow have these infamous 1 post posters? It's the same on reddit, 5-8 people will have 1 overall post and it will be cheering for desrow and saying how great he is. Am I missing something or does Desrow have a lot of alt accounts? Edit: Prediction: Golden wins without dropping a game.
i dont care about TL forums i just made an account because i like desrow and i want to support him... DesRow streams the entire time so just by watching back his vods u checking the time when the post was made and the time when the vod was made u will see that desrow cant be it himself as the posts were made when he was playing games. Your obviously either stupid or not smart enought to get to this idia.....
www.twitch.tv/desrowfighting check the time when the vod was made and post time. Serioiusly most of the people on this forum are either stupid or obvious troll there onley remain a few whith a brain...
Am I suppose to do a full background check before making ANY assumptions on anything? I don't have time to waste like that, I just gathered the assumption through previous experiences. It just seems weird because Desrow isn't really good and doesn't have a big fan base. Also, didn't he steal quite quite a sum of money from his previous team in wc3? That's what I heard.
On January 01 2012 01:37 Afelay wrote: hope i shutted you up . Haters gonna hate
Why are you becoming so hostile? I didn't insult you or him. This changes my assumption and makes me believe that he has a close friend doing this for him.
On January 01 2012 01:20 Simenull wrote: I'm cheering for DesRow, he really deserves this win after all his work and practice.
Just a question, why do all showmatches or post about Desrow have these infamous 1 post posters? It's the same on reddit, 5-8 people will have 1 overall post and it will be cheering for desrow and saying how great he is. Am I missing something or does Desrow have a lot of alt accounts? Edit: Prediction: Golden wins without dropping a game.
i dont care about TL forums i just made an account because i like desrow and i want to support him... DesRow streams the entire time so just by watching back his vods u checking the time when the post was made and the time when the vod was made u will see that desrow cant be it himself as the posts were made when he was playing games. Your obviously either stupid or not smart enought to get to this idia.....
www.twitch.tv/desrowfighting check the time when the vod was made and post time. Serioiusly most of the people on this forum are either stupid or obvious troll there onley remain a few whith a brain...
Am I suppose to do a full background check before making ANY assumptions on anything? I don't have time to waste like that, I just gathered the assumption through previous experiences. It just seems weird because Desrow isn't really good and doesn't have a big fan base. Also, didn't he steal quite quite a sum of money from his previous team in wc3? That's what I heard.
Doesn't have a big fanbase? He had 3600 followers on twitch last I checked a few weeks ago, undoubtedly higher now. I don know why people are so incredulous, desRow is popular o_o
On January 01 2012 01:20 Simenull wrote: I'm cheering for DesRow, he really deserves this win after all his work and practice.
Just a question, why do all showmatches or post about Desrow have these infamous 1 post posters? It's the same on reddit, 5-8 people will have 1 overall post and it will be cheering for desrow and saying how great he is. Am I missing something or does Desrow have a lot of alt accounts? Edit: Prediction: Golden wins without dropping a game.
I don't know anthing about that, because i am new to the community and have never posted on TL before.
I have however watched DesRow's stream alot and i know he has been practicing hard lately, so i'm cheering for him no matter how how much better Golden is on paper.
On January 01 2012 01:20 Simenull wrote: I'm cheering for DesRow, he really deserves this win after all his work and practice.
Just a question, why do all showmatches or post about Desrow have these infamous 1 post posters? It's the same on reddit, 5-8 people will have 1 overall post and it will be cheering for desrow and saying how great he is. Am I missing something or does Desrow have a lot of alt accounts? Edit: Prediction: Golden wins without dropping a game.
i dont care about TL forums i just made an account because i like desrow and i want to support him... DesRow streams the entire time so just by watching back his vods u checking the time when the post was made and the time when the vod was made u will see that desrow cant be it himself as the posts were made when he was playing games. Your obviously either stupid or not smart enought to get to this idia.....
www.twitch.tv/desrowfighting check the time when the vod was made and post time. Serioiusly most of the people on this forum are either stupid or obvious troll there onley remain a few whith a brain...
Am I suppose to do a full background check before making ANY assumptions on anything? I don't have time to waste like that, I just gathered the assumption through previous experiences. It just seems weird because Desrow isn't really good and doesn't have a big fan base. Also, didn't he steal quite quite a sum of money from his previous team in wc3? That's what I heard.
Making decisions and opinions about people whithout knowing who it is or what they are is the definition of somewhon without brain. Back in germany they thought exaclty like you and it dident end well. Please world use brain
Well, not that I wish bad things for SC2 pros (or wannabe pros) but I doubt Desrow's chances to take a single map even if he did cheese. Hopefully I'm proven wrong so it can be an entertaining series, but the point stands.
On January 01 2012 01:20 Simenull wrote: I'm cheering for DesRow, he really deserves this win after all his work and practice.
Just a question, why do all showmatches or post about Desrow have these infamous 1 post posters? It's the same on reddit, 5-8 people will have 1 overall post and it will be cheering for desrow and saying how great he is. Am I missing something or does Desrow have a lot of alt accounts? Edit: Prediction: Golden wins without dropping a game.
I don't know anthing about that, because i am new to the community and have never posted on TL before.
I have however watched DesRow's stream alot and i know he has been practicing hard lately, so i'm cheering for him no matter how how much better Golden is on paper.
You seriously need to get your hands on accounts with more posts dude !
On a more serious note, it's a showmatch. How do some people think Golden isn't capable of 'giving away' games just because of lack of focus is beyond me.
On January 01 2012 01:46 Zdrastochye wrote: Well, not that I wish bad things for SC2 pros (or wannabe pros) but I doubt Desrow's chances to take a single map even if he did cheese. Hopefully I'm proven wrong so it can be an entertaining series, but the point stands.
Your obviously semi retarded or something, desRow has improved a lot. He can take maps of golden playing his own style for sure. I am not a desRow fan but I respect him a lot for his dedication.
On January 01 2012 01:20 Simenull wrote: I'm cheering for DesRow, he really deserves this win after all his work and practice.
Just a question, why do all showmatches or post about Desrow have these infamous 1 post posters? It's the same on reddit, 5-8 people will have 1 overall post and it will be cheering for desrow and saying how great he is. Am I missing something or does Desrow have a lot of alt accounts? Edit: Prediction: Golden wins without dropping a game.
i dont care about TL forums i just made an account because i like desrow and i want to support him... DesRow streams the entire time so just by watching back his vods u checking the time when the post was made and the time when the vod was made u will see that desrow cant be it himself as the posts were made when he was playing games. Your obviously either stupid or not smart enought to get to this idia.....
www.twitch.tv/desrowfighting check the time when the vod was made and post time. Serioiusly most of the people on this forum are either stupid or obvious troll there onley remain a few whith a brain...
Am I suppose to do a full background check before making ANY assumptions on anything? I don't have time to waste like that, I just gathered the assumption through previous experiences. It just seems weird because Desrow isn't really good and doesn't have a big fan base. Also, didn't he steal quite quite a sum of money from his previous team in wc3? That's what I heard.
Doesn't have a big fanbase? He had 3600 followers on twitch last I checked a few weeks ago, undoubtedly higher now. I don know why people are so incredulous, desRow is popular o_o
Relatively speaking, he's not. He doesn't even come close. The word popular is a relative term. He is no where close to the top or even intermediate ranked players. And isn't there a site where you can buy followers and like's? And again, this is just speculation on my part and I made that obvious in my previous posts. I don't see why people are becoming so hostile over it.
On January 01 2012 01:20 Simenull wrote: I'm cheering for DesRow, he really deserves this win after all his work and practice.
Just a question, why do all showmatches or post about Desrow have these infamous 1 post posters? It's the same on reddit, 5-8 people will have 1 overall post and it will be cheering for desrow and saying how great he is. Am I missing something or does Desrow have a lot of alt accounts? Edit: Prediction: Golden wins without dropping a game.
i dont care about TL forums i just made an account because i like desrow and i want to support him... DesRow streams the entire time so just by watching back his vods u checking the time when the post was made and the time when the vod was made u will see that desrow cant be it himself as the posts were made when he was playing games. Your obviously either stupid or not smart enought to get to this idia.....
www.twitch.tv/desrowfighting check the time when the vod was made and post time. Serioiusly most of the people on this forum are either stupid or obvious troll there onley remain a few whith a brain...
Am I suppose to do a full background check before making ANY assumptions on anything? I don't have time to waste like that, I just gathered the assumption through previous experiences. It just seems weird because Desrow isn't really good and doesn't have a big fan base. Also, didn't he steal quite quite a sum of money from his previous team in wc3? That's what I heard.
Doesn't have a big fanbase? He had 3600 followers on twitch last I checked a few weeks ago, undoubtedly higher now. I don know why people are so incredulous, desRow is popular o_o
Relatively speaking, he's not. He doesn't even come close. The word popular is a relative term. He is no where close to the top or even intermediate ranked players. And isn't there a site where you can buy followers and like's? And again, this is just speculation on my part and I made that obvious in my previous posts. I don't see why people are becoming so hostile over it.
people become hostile because you come across as an ignorant prick, if you don't like me, move on don't bullshit and talk about stuff you don't know happy new year
On January 01 2012 01:46 Zdrastochye wrote: Well, not that I wish bad things for SC2 pros (or wannabe pros) but I doubt Desrow's chances to take a single map even if he did cheese. Hopefully I'm proven wrong so it can be an entertaining series, but the point stands.
Your obviously semi retarded or something, desRow has improved a lot. He can take maps of golden playing his own style for sure. I am not a desRow fan but I respect him a lot for his dedication.
Are you just some fanboi or something? Desrow doesn't compete in anything and you're acting as though he's a world class player. But i'm sure these 1-5 post people are just going to keep popping up defending him. Which furthers my suspicion.
It's a shame how few people know about Golden. He may only be a b-teamer on SlayerS but he absolutely wrecked aTn, Millenium and Tyloo in the IPL teamleague. I can't see desrow taking even a single macro game against Golden.
On January 01 2012 01:46 Zdrastochye wrote: Well, not that I wish bad things for SC2 pros (or wannabe pros) but I doubt Desrow's chances to take a single map even if he did cheese. Hopefully I'm proven wrong so it can be an entertaining series, but the point stands.
Your obviously semi retarded or something, desRow has improved a lot. He can take maps of golden playing his own style for sure. I am not a desRow fan but I respect him a lot for his dedication.
Are you just some fanboi or something? Desrow doesn't compete in anything and you're acting as though he's a world class player. But i'm sure these 1-5 post people are just going to keep popping up defending him. Which furthers my suspicion.
You obviously didn't read the post but still decided to quote me.
On January 01 2012 01:46 Zdrastochye wrote: Well, not that I wish bad things for SC2 pros (or wannabe pros) but I doubt Desrow's chances to take a single map even if he did cheese. Hopefully I'm proven wrong so it can be an entertaining series, but the point stands.
Your obviously semi retarded or something, desRow has improved a lot. He can take maps of golden playing his own style for sure. I am not a desRow fan but I respect him a lot for his dedication.
Are you just some fanboi or something? Desrow doesn't compete in anything and you're acting as though he's a world class player. But i'm sure these 1-5 post people are just going to keep popping up defending him. Which furthers my suspicion.
To what information you reffer when you say relativly? Like seriously you just want to sound populair. Desrow streams everyday whith an average of 600 vieuwers and about 1,2k in the evening. You tell you dont know anything about the person you are bashing now and speak about relatively without reffering to any information. As i may recall 2 posts before you you said you had no expierience or info about desrow and then the next post u talk about your experiences. Seriously i am curious why u take al this time whith posting to win a discussion against your so called 1 post posters. Tell me what is your reason for this hassle?
On January 01 2012 01:20 Simenull wrote: I'm cheering for DesRow, he really deserves this win after all his work and practice.
Just a question, why do all showmatches or post about Desrow have these infamous 1 post posters? It's the same on reddit, 5-8 people will have 1 overall post and it will be cheering for desrow and saying how great he is. Am I missing something or does Desrow have a lot of alt accounts? Edit: Prediction: Golden wins without dropping a game.
i dont care about TL forums i just made an account because i like desrow and i want to support him... DesRow streams the entire time so just by watching back his vods u checking the time when the post was made and the time when the vod was made u will see that desrow cant be it himself as the posts were made when he was playing games. Your obviously either stupid or not smart enought to get to this idia.....
www.twitch.tv/desrowfighting check the time when the vod was made and post time. Serioiusly most of the people on this forum are either stupid or obvious troll there onley remain a few whith a brain...
Am I suppose to do a full background check before making ANY assumptions on anything? I don't have time to waste like that, I just gathered the assumption through previous experiences. It just seems weird because Desrow isn't really good and doesn't have a big fan base. Also, didn't he steal quite quite a sum of money from his previous team in wc3? That's what I heard.
Doesn't have a big fanbase? He had 3600 followers on twitch last I checked a few weeks ago, undoubtedly higher now. I don know why people are so incredulous, desRow is popular o_o
Relatively speaking, he's not. He doesn't even come close. The word popular is a relative term. He is no where close to the top or even intermediate ranked players. And isn't there a site where you can buy followers and like's? And again, this is just speculation on my part and I made that obvious in my previous posts. I don't see why people are becoming so hostile over it.
people become hostile because you come across as an ignorant prick, if you don't like me, move on don't bullshit and talk about stuff you don't know happy new year
An ignorant prick? Thanks, this clears up my opinion on you. I was merely questioning this dubiousness and get bombarded with hostility rather than someone calmly explaining.
On January 01 2012 02:06 red4ce wrote: It's a shame how few people know about Golden. He may only be a b-teamer on SlayerS but he absolutely wrecked aTn, Millenium and Tyloo in the IPL teamleague. I can't see desrow taking even a single macro game against Golden.
On January 01 2012 02:23 bbm wrote: how can you expect anyone to calmly explain when you accuse desrow of buying followers? What do you want from us?
I didn't say he did, but it was an option. And you talk as though it's a bad thing. It's business. Sundance even said if he knew about it earlier he would of considered it.It's hard to gain momentum in the e-sports scene but with such service, it can jump start your career. It's painful to see how one dimensional people see things these days.
I don't know, i don't know desrow at all, i've never seen him playing, and i'm watching sc2 since Fruitdealer vs HopeTorture Finals, Well i think Zerg will dominate him and won't drop a single game
Gogogogo Desrow we don't have much Canadian players, even less from Quebec, really happy to have you streaming and stuff !!!!!! GOGOGOGOOGGO DESROW FIGHTING !!!
Hoping for a close 3-2 victory for desRow. Admittedly Golden is definitely favored, but it would be nice to see desRow's dedication in moving to Korea pay off!
I respect desRow's decision to give korea a try. In reality it will be very hard for him to even take only one game off of Golden. Yesterday he played some practice match against Golden's clanmate Sleep (who is also very good) and it was a very close game. (So he might be able to really take one map).
On January 01 2012 06:56 mikerx wrote: I respect desRow's decision to give korea a try. In reality it will be very hard for him to even take only one game off of Golden. Yesterday he played some practice match against Golden's clanmate Sleep (who is also very good) and it was a very close game. (So he might be able to really take one map).
well I dont really know how good sleep is(, and i have not watched desrow that much aswell), but if he is golden's practice partner, and the game were close, it might not be as one sided as it looks, or at least i hope so.
On January 01 2012 02:23 bbm wrote: how can you expect anyone to calmly explain when you accuse desrow of buying followers? What do you want from us?
I didn't say he did, but it was an option. And you talk as though it's a bad thing. It's business. Sundance even said if he knew about it earlier he would of considered it.It's hard to gain momentum in the e-sports scene but with such service, it can jump start your career. It's painful to see how one dimensional people see things these days.
Man, everyone knows it suspicious. It was suspicious every other time it happened too but in the end nobody really cares. Let's just enjoy some good games.
On January 01 2012 06:56 mikerx wrote: I respect desRow's decision to give korea a try. In reality it will be very hard for him to even take only one game off of Golden. Yesterday he played some practice match against Golden's clanmate Sleep (who is also very good) and it was a very close game. (So he might be able to really take one map).
Sleep is a better player than Golden (at least he is more accomplished - as he qualified for IPL3)
This show match will be good to see where DesRows play is at the moment, and then in future show matches with Koreans we should hopefully see him improving which is the whole point of going to Korea in the first place.
On December 31 2011 08:20 MurDeRsc2 wrote: wtf.. why desrow of all people vs a korean? lol no offense but this isn't even a match. give the money to golden
On December 31 2011 08:20 MurDeRsc2 wrote: wtf.. why desrow of all people vs a korean? lol no offense but this isn't even a match. give the money to golden
thanks dood can't wait to see you in a showmatch soon
golden isnt the strongest korean but he has shown in the online team leagues that his solid style is effective at beating people worse than him with a lot of consistency. i dont see this being even close
On January 02 2012 00:41 Jono7272 wrote: No surprises here, pointless showmatch.
desRow get to play and try his skill against a very good player, all involved get air time and we get to see some games if we're interested. Not "pointless" at all. Not in any way.
Desrow's choice of showmatch opponent is kinda intriguing. He loses 0-3 to qxc and then decides to pick an even harder opponent? Just doesn't make sense to me. Desrow must overrate his current skill level quite a lot.
On January 02 2012 00:41 Jono7272 wrote: No surprises here, pointless showmatch.
desRow get to play and try his skill against a very good player, all involved get air time and we get to see some games if we're interested. Not "pointless" at all. Not in any way.
Dont tell me that 40 minutes wasnt wasted.
even wolf had to come up with something to please his viewers just because 40 minutes of their time was wasted watching this showmatch.
Posts doesn't reflect your game knowledge and experience directly.
But also, yeah, obviously desrow isn't up to caliber with golden, but good for him for at least going up against it. hopefully the loss will motivate him even more while he's in Korea and really give a serious shot at practicing.
On January 02 2012 01:23 araven7 wrote: hats off to desrow, can see he's working really hard, may the progress continue.
really? 2 posts and you can "see" how hard he works from those games? where do these people come from?
in all honesty though, desrow isn't bad. it's just that NA GMs are still miles away from their korean counterparts.
Desrow also has an army of people who come flooding into these showmatch threads to tell everyone how they'll cheer for him, and then they fade back into the background. They'll always say things like, "Well, i don't care about teamliquid, i'm just coming here to support desrow, because he told his stream to"
But yea, the games was fun to watch from a zerg perspective, at least
I hope I can see Desrow playing against Golden again in a few months, maybe a before and after thing. At any rate, I hope he does well after some more training.
Congratulations to Golden though, that guy is sick good and there's definitely no shame in losing to him even if he's one of the lesser known Korean players, especially considering how much of a stomping he gave to so many other players in IPL.
Doesn't matter if he looses. He earns his pay from being a personality. Even if he looses to more well known players, it's a net gain for him - it gets his name out.
After today's games I think desRow still far from a high Korean level of play, but he showed some good ideas, we should look after him more in the future.
On January 02 2012 01:23 araven7 wrote: hats off to desrow, can see he's working really hard, may the progress continue.
in all honesty though, desrow isn't bad. it's just that NA GMs are still miles away from their korean counterparts.
Desrow was barely NA GM though. The thing with SC2's ladder is that if you play a lot, and I mean A LOT, like desRow did (he has played fulltime 8-10 hours a day for what now, a year+?) you almost inevitably will reach GM if you are of decent masters caliber in the first place. He barely even made it to top100 in NA GM either despite this and had a win percentage of like 55% if i'm not mistaken. To me he's just kind of mediocre in every way and i'm not seeing this potential that I see in other players.
Like, I don't fancy his way of thinking SC2 at all. For instance he's pretty much exclusively copying others' builds without much innovation at all, and then performing them in a rather lackluster way. When he has mastered those builds they're already 'outdated' and he's on the backtrack once again, looking for another build to grab. There's no inherent problem with taking other's builds but if you do you should also think: 1. What can I do to improve this build and to make it fit my own playstyle? 2. What is the point of this build and when should I avoid/stop using it? To me he usually doesn't seem to answer either of those questions and just uses them like they're the holy graal of builds and have no flaws whatsoever. I like a more rational, pragmatic approach to SC2, I believe it makes you develop in a much better fashion rather than if you just look at how other's do without reflecting over the circumstancial facts.
Don't get me wrong here, i'm not a Desrow basher. I've watched his stream quite a bit and from time to time i've enjoyed it, but I generally don't think he thinks of SC2 in a constructive manner which is unfortunate, and due to this I'm not seeing how he's supposed to improve in the future either unless he changes his thought process.
On January 02 2012 01:31 ZenithM wrote: Desrow showing off his skill like a baws. Definitely has the potential to be one of the best mid level NA GM's Protoss in the world.
On January 02 2012 01:23 araven7 wrote: hats off to desrow, can see he's working really hard, may the progress continue.
in all honesty though, desrow isn't bad. it's just that NA GMs are still miles away from their korean counterparts.
Desrow was barely NA GM though. The thing with SC2's ladder is that if you play a lot, and I mean A LOT, like desRow did (he has played fulltime 8-10 hours a day for what now, a year+?) you almost inevitably will reach GM if you are of decent masters caliber in the first place. He barely even made it to top100 in NA GM either despite this and had a win percentage of like 55% if i'm not mistaken. To me he's just kind of mediocre in every way and i'm not seeing this potential that I see in other players.
Like, I don't fancy his way of thinking SC2 at all. For instance he's pretty much exclusively copying others' builds without much innovation at all, and then performing them in a rather lackluster way. When he has mastered those builds they're already 'outdated' and he's on the backtrack once again, looking for another build to grab. There's no inherent problem with taking other's builds but if you do you should also think: 1. What can I do to improve this build and to make it fit my own playstyle? 2. What is the point of this build and when should I avoid/stop using it? To me he usually doesn't seem to answer either of those questions and just uses them like they're the holy graal of builds and have no flaws whatsoever. I like a more rational, pragmatic approach to SC2, I believe it makes you develop in a much better fashion rather than if you just look at how other's do without reflecting over the circumstancial facts.
Don't get me wrong here, i'm not a Desrow basher. I've watched his stream quite a bit and from time to time i've enjoyed it, but I generally don't think he thinks of SC2 in a constructive manner which is unfortunate, and due to this I'm not seeing how he's supposed to improve in the future either unless he changes his thought process.
Win percentages on ladder don't mean anything at all, and desrow is better than many of the NA grandmasters players when he is playing his best. I don't think he showed his best play in this showmatch, but I have seen him looking much stronger sometimes on NA ladder, even against strong players. Also ladder is a pretty terrible indicator of skill. I don't think desrow will be winning mlg any time soon, but he just got to korea, and the showmatches he has lost so far have been to players with very abnormal styles. Qxc plays a hyper-aggressive terran and Golden used builds which are risky and definitely not standard.
I'm just disapointed people actually thought Desrow was going to win. (theres a difference between rooting for someone and thinking they are going to win)
On January 02 2012 01:23 araven7 wrote: hats off to desrow, can see he's working really hard, may the progress continue.
in all honesty though, desrow isn't bad. it's just that NA GMs are still miles away from their korean counterparts.
Desrow was barely NA GM though. The thing with SC2's ladder is that if you play a lot, and I mean A LOT, like desRow did (he has played fulltime 8-10 hours a day for what now, a year+?) you almost inevitably will reach GM if you are of decent masters caliber in the first place. He barely even made it to top100 in NA GM either despite this and had a win percentage of like 55% if i'm not mistaken. To me he's just kind of mediocre in every way and i'm not seeing this potential that I see in other players.
Like, I don't fancy his way of thinking SC2 at all. For instance he's pretty much exclusively copying others' builds without much innovation at all, and then performing them in a rather lackluster way. When he has mastered those builds they're already 'outdated' and he's on the backtrack once again, looking for another build to grab. There's no inherent problem with taking other's builds but if you do you should also think: 1. What can I do to improve this build and to make it fit my own playstyle? 2. What is the point of this build and when should I avoid/stop using it? To me he usually doesn't seem to answer either of those questions and just uses them like they're the holy graal of builds and have no flaws whatsoever. I like a more rational, pragmatic approach to SC2, I believe it makes you develop in a much better fashion rather than if you just look at how other's do without reflecting over the circumstancial facts.
Don't get me wrong here, i'm not a Desrow basher. I've watched his stream quite a bit and from time to time i've enjoyed it, but I generally don't think he thinks of SC2 in a constructive manner which is unfortunate, and due to this I'm not seeing how he's supposed to improve in the future either unless he changes his thought process.
Win percentages on ladder don't mean anything at all, and desrow is better than many of the NA grandmasters players when he is playing his best. I don't think he showed his best play in this showmatch, but I have seen him looking much stronger sometimes on NA ladder, even against strong players. Also ladder is a pretty terrible indicator of skill. I don't think desrow will be winning mlg any time soon, but he just got to korea, and the showmatches he has lost so far have been to players with very abnormal styles. Qxc plays a hyper-aggressive terran and Golden used builds which are risky and definitely not standard.
thanks and I'm sincerely sorry to anyone who watched the match and thought they wasted their time. At first when I arrived in Korea I had an easy time and a lot of confidence but for the past 4days i've been having a rough time, hopefully my next showmatch will be more exciting. Thanks to everyone who tuned in and sorry to those that didn't enjoy it.
On January 02 2012 01:23 araven7 wrote: hats off to desrow, can see he's working really hard, may the progress continue.
in all honesty though, desrow isn't bad. it's just that NA GMs are still miles away from their korean counterparts.
Desrow was barely NA GM though. The thing with SC2's ladder is that if you play a lot, and I mean A LOT, like desRow did (he has played fulltime 8-10 hours a day for what now, a year+?) you almost inevitably will reach GM if you are of decent masters caliber in the first place. He barely even made it to top100 in NA GM either despite this and had a win percentage of like 55% if i'm not mistaken. To me he's just kind of mediocre in every way and i'm not seeing this potential that I see in other players.
Like, I don't fancy his way of thinking SC2 at all. For instance he's pretty much exclusively copying others' builds without much innovation at all, and then performing them in a rather lackluster way. When he has mastered those builds they're already 'outdated' and he's on the backtrack once again, looking for another build to grab. There's no inherent problem with taking other's builds but if you do you should also think: 1. What can I do to improve this build and to make it fit my own playstyle? 2. What is the point of this build and when should I avoid/stop using it? To me he usually doesn't seem to answer either of those questions and just uses them like they're the holy graal of builds and have no flaws whatsoever. I like a more rational, pragmatic approach to SC2, I believe it makes you develop in a much better fashion rather than if you just look at how other's do without reflecting over the circumstancial facts.
Don't get me wrong here, i'm not a Desrow basher. I've watched his stream quite a bit and from time to time i've enjoyed it, but I generally don't think he thinks of SC2 in a constructive manner which is unfortunate, and due to this I'm not seeing how he's supposed to improve in the future either unless he changes his thought process.
Win percentages on ladder don't mean anything at all, and desrow is better than many of the NA grandmasters players when he is playing his best. I don't think he showed his best play in this showmatch, but I have seen him looking much stronger sometimes on NA ladder, even against strong players. Also ladder is a pretty terrible indicator of skill. I don't think desrow will be winning mlg any time soon, but he just got to korea, and the showmatches he has lost so far have been to players with very abnormal styles. Qxc plays a hyper-aggressive terran and Golden used builds which are risky and definitely not standard.
thanks and I'm sincerely sorry to anyone who watched the match and thought they wasted their time. At first when I arrived in Korea I had an easy time and a lot of confidence but for the past 4days i've been having a rough time, hopefully my next showmatch will be more exciting. Thanks to everyone who tuned in and sorry to those that didn't enjoy it.
Ignore the haters man, you've only been there a couple of weeks and played against a zerg who's lived at the slayers house and practices with some of the best protoss in the world. Don't apologize to people, you're actually doing so much good content for the community (vlogs, streams, showmatch), I'm very thankful for it. And people need to stop being douchebags, you have the right mindset and practice against the best but improving in Korea isn't something that happens in a few weeks, people don't seem to understand this.
Not only that, you've also had to deal the with stress of maybe having to replace your computer, going out and finding a power supply, and settling into a new country. You haven't been 100% focused on SC2, while Golden has. Now that the systems are in place the learning curve will really kick into high gear.
I've lived in six different countries, the initial part still doesn't get any easier.
Only saw the first 2 games, desRow screwed up the 1st game big time. Fast third + moving out at 150 supply? Get screwed so hard. 2nd game was a hydra mind game by golden that i believe ANYONE would never expect a muta transition so fast so desRow have NO way of winning that game (unless mh) but yeah. I believe desRow would proly stand a chance if he played his best or something.
On January 02 2012 01:23 araven7 wrote: hats off to desrow, can see he's working really hard, may the progress continue.
in all honesty though, desrow isn't bad. it's just that NA GMs are still miles away from their korean counterparts.
Desrow was barely NA GM though. The thing with SC2's ladder is that if you play a lot, and I mean A LOT, like desRow did (he has played fulltime 8-10 hours a day for what now, a year+?) you almost inevitably will reach GM if you are of decent masters caliber in the first place. He barely even made it to top100 in NA GM either despite this and had a win percentage of like 55% if i'm not mistaken. To me he's just kind of mediocre in every way and i'm not seeing this potential that I see in other players.
Like, I don't fancy his way of thinking SC2 at all. For instance he's pretty much exclusively copying others' builds without much innovation at all, and then performing them in a rather lackluster way. When he has mastered those builds they're already 'outdated' and he's on the backtrack once again, looking for another build to grab. There's no inherent problem with taking other's builds but if you do you should also think: 1. What can I do to improve this build and to make it fit my own playstyle? 2. What is the point of this build and when should I avoid/stop using it? To me he usually doesn't seem to answer either of those questions and just uses them like they're the holy graal of builds and have no flaws whatsoever. I like a more rational, pragmatic approach to SC2, I believe it makes you develop in a much better fashion rather than if you just look at how other's do without reflecting over the circumstancial facts.
Don't get me wrong here, i'm not a Desrow basher. I've watched his stream quite a bit and from time to time i've enjoyed it, but I generally don't think he thinks of SC2 in a constructive manner which is unfortunate, and due to this I'm not seeing how he's supposed to improve in the future either unless he changes his thought process.
Win percentages on ladder don't mean anything at all, and desrow is better than many of the NA grandmasters players when he is playing his best. I don't think he showed his best play in this showmatch, but I have seen him looking much stronger sometimes on NA ladder, even against strong players. Also ladder is a pretty terrible indicator of skill. I don't think desrow will be winning mlg any time soon, but he just got to korea, and the showmatches he has lost so far have been to players with very abnormal styles. Qxc plays a hyper-aggressive terran and Golden used builds which are risky and definitely not standard.
thanks and I'm sincerely sorry to anyone who watched the match and thought they wasted their time. At first when I arrived in Korea I had an easy time and a lot of confidence but for the past 4days i've been having a rough time, hopefully my next showmatch will be more exciting. Thanks to everyone who tuned in and sorry to those that didn't enjoy it.
Don't apologize to anybody. Keep up the hard practice. gl
Apologizing when he didnt even do anything wrong shows a level of humility i wouldnt have thought possible of desrow. Maybe he can get good in korea after all O.o
I can't say that I'm a huge fan, but seriously bro, just keep at it. It's easy for haters to come out of the woodwork and talk like they have top 3 control in the world... behind their computers... Tsk, tasteless.
At least desRow is actually putting his name out there and doing something for himself and the community. For that, I have multitudes of respect. Good luck, I'll be eagerly looking out for results from you in the future! Des hwaiting!
On January 02 2012 01:31 ZenithM wrote: Desrow showing off his skill like a baws. Definitely has the potential to be one of the best mid level NA GM's Protoss in the world.
'one of the best mid level'...... i dont even know how to respond to that
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