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[IPL TAC] SlayerS vs. Dignitas

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IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 02:31:10
December 05 2011 18:28 GMT
#1
[image loading]




The time has come for our first match of the IGN Pro League Team Arena Challenge!


(Wiki)IPL Team Arena Challenge


IPL Team Arena Challenge General Discussion


Stream Link: http://www.ign.com/ipl


When: Tuesday, Dec 06 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Tuesday, Dec 06 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))



Format

This double-elimination tournament features 8 teams from around the world and is an All-Kill team format. This match is being played for the Winners Round of 8. The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9), will move on in the Winners Bracket, while the loser will drop down into the Losers Bracket. Keep in mind that this has a $10,000 prize pool, and only three teams will make it to the money!




SlayerS is the most dominant team from our weekly team king of the hill, Team Arena Challenge. They have taken out 6 teams already (Liquid, mouz, Acer, aTn, Millenium, TyLoo) and show no signs of stopping. Will they be just as dominant here against Dignitas? Team Dignitas has recently bolstered their ranks with the addition of Chinese Protoss player DreAm, and is looking for a big upset in the first round of Team Arena Challenge. Here are their full rosters:


[image loading]
Team Dignitas
SeleCT
meRz
SjoW
PuReBall
TanDongHo
KiLLeR
Apollo
Bischu
BlinG
DreAm

[image loading]
SlayerS
BoxeR
Lots
Dragon
GanZi
MMA
Ryung
TaeJa
Clide
Cella
YuGiOh
Golden
Min
CoCa
Alicia
Brown
Crank
Puzzle
SocceR


The First Game of the IPL Team Arena Challenge is on Tuesday, Dec 06 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Tuesday, Dec 06 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))


Poll: Who Will Win?!

SlayerS (374)
 
92%

Team Dignitas (32)
 
8%

406 total votes

Your vote: Who Will Win?!

(Vote): SlayerS
(Vote): Team Dignitas




Results!

+ Show Spoiler [SlayerS vs. Dignitas Results] +
Crank < Daybreak > meRz
Crank < Metalopolis > KiLLeR
Crank < Tal'Darim Altar > Bischu
Golden < Shakuras Plateau > Bischu
Golden < Shakuras Plateau > DreAm
Dignitas forfeits Game 6 due to attendance and SlayerS wins 5-1!



Map List

Xel'Naga Caverns
Metalopolis
Shakuras Plateau
Crevasse
Tal Darim Altar
Dual Sight
Xel'Naga Fortress
Terminus
Shattered Temple
Daybreak
Antiga Shipyard

The first map will be on a set rotation, and then it is loser's pick.



Casters

This week's games will be commentated by CatsPajamas, HDStarCraft, and/or PainUser



Viewer Prizes!
To celebrate our launch of IPL Team Arena Challenge, we will be giving away a Razer Deathadder Black Edition mouse and a Razer Ironclad mousepad, both seen here: The Prizes!
You will have to watch the cast tonight for instructions on how to win, and you will need a Twitter account to be able to participate. We will ship anywhere in the world, so don't hesitate to enter because of your location! Good luck and enjoy the games!



Stay up to date with IPL 4 Qualifiers, IPL TV, IPL Fight Club, and IPL Team Arena by checking our [image loading] Facebook, [image loading] Twitter, [image loading] YouTube, and Justin.TV!
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 05 2011 18:32 GMT
#2
Can't see Slayers losing but I also couldn't see them losing to the same guy 4 times in a row with roach and ling all ins so...xD
raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
December 05 2011 18:34 GMT
#3
Idk who will ever beat slayers but dignitas can put up a good fight! should be exciting
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 05 2011 18:35 GMT
#4
[image loading] VS [image loading]


Well, I think it depends on how seriously SlayerS takes this. SlayerS is definitely the heavy favorite though.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
December 05 2011 18:35 GMT
#5
SlayerS had more players in the last GSL than dignitas has players.

Dignitas will put up a fight I think, but I can't see SlayerS losing.
IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
December 05 2011 18:36 GMT
#6
Hi Virgil. Do you mind if I utilize those team logo transparencies for the original post?
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
December 05 2011 18:40 GMT
#7
What's IPL doing about the QIM breakup?
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
December 05 2011 18:41 GMT
#8
SeleCT all kill calling it now. Such a boss!
EG | Liquid | Dignitas | FXO | SlayerS | TSL | iS | Fan of pretty much all players ^_^ | SeleCT <3 forever! Axslav <3
ShinyGerbil
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada519 Posts
December 05 2011 18:41 GMT
#9
I predict dDreAm all kill. Shijie fighting!
[s]savior[/s] jaedong fighting! // member of LighT eSports
Mirhi
Profile Joined February 2010
United States389 Posts
December 05 2011 18:44 GMT
#10
On December 06 2011 03:40 Indrium wrote:
What's IPL doing about the QIM breakup?


They are finishing this tournament together.
Esportsing really hard | www.twitter.com/ffmirhi
IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
December 05 2011 18:44 GMT
#11
On December 06 2011 03:40 Indrium wrote:
What's IPL doing about the QIM breakup?

Their joint participation in the Team Arena Challenge will continue, and if they should win prize money it will be up to them on how to distribute their earnings themselves. We appreciate their committal to finishing the tournament together and making it easier on us here at IPL. I look forward to seeing how they utilize their different players in the matches ahead! =)
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
December 05 2011 18:47 GMT
#12
Golden or Brown 'll all-kill again
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38193 Posts
December 05 2011 18:47 GMT
#13
Aw yeah Dignitas, let's do this shit!
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 05 2011 18:49 GMT
#14
On December 06 2011 03:36 IGNProLeague wrote:
Hi Virgil. Do you mind if I utilize those team logo transparencies for the original post?

Of course, anyone should feel free to use them wherever they want!
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
December 05 2011 18:52 GMT
#15
Could you point me to where I could fine the other team logo transparencies?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44070 Posts
December 05 2011 18:54 GMT
#16
If SlayerS takes the series seriously, I'm guessing 5-1.

If SlayerS fools around like they did in their last series, Dignitas could certainly win more.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Sabre
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1086 Posts
December 05 2011 18:54 GMT
#17
Apollo all-kill inc called it
UK TrackMania Champion | Former SC2 player | http://www.twitter.com/Sabre_CS
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
December 05 2011 18:56 GMT
#18
all kill incoming.
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
December 05 2011 18:58 GMT
#19
merz has the whole Slayers team's apm combined. should be ezpz
SaSe fan club manager
saksy2
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway520 Posts
December 05 2011 18:58 GMT
#20
On December 06 2011 03:54 SabreUK wrote:
Apollo all-kill inc called it

Quoted for truth
xi Tempest x
Profile Joined July 2011
Scotland340 Posts
December 05 2011 19:00 GMT
#21
I predict we are finally going to see a proper a-team player... MMA or boxer all kill incoming !
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 05 2011 19:03 GMT
#22
On December 06 2011 03:52 IGNProLeague wrote:
Could you point me to where I could fine the other team logo transparencies?

You can find the rest of them (probably more than you'll ever need to use) here
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
xi Tempest x
Profile Joined July 2011
Scotland340 Posts
December 05 2011 19:12 GMT
#23
On December 06 2011 04:03 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 03:52 IGNProLeague wrote:
Could you point me to where I could fine the other team logo transparencies?

You can find the rest of them (probably more than you'll ever need to use) here



Dude this is awesome ! epic wallpapers incoming (If i ever get round to it )
tDKyou
Profile Joined September 2011
United States202 Posts
December 05 2011 19:14 GMT
#24
Haha, hopefully SeleCT will put up a strong showing vs SlayerS
SeleCT - RainBOw - Bomber - TaeJa - Mvp
careohx
Profile Joined June 2011
263 Posts
December 05 2011 19:19 GMT
#25
Dignitas doesnt have a realistic chance. Select has been in a slump lately and SjoW can do very well but i dont see him winning more than one match.
I just hope at least they force slayers to send their code S players
OGKruemmel
Profile Joined March 2011
Croatia270 Posts
December 05 2011 19:25 GMT
#26
Apollo all-kill would be totally awesome
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
December 05 2011 19:28 GMT
#27
Brown could all-kill them with the way he's been playing. And it would be awesome.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
careohx
Profile Joined June 2011
263 Posts
December 05 2011 19:31 GMT
#28
On December 06 2011 04:25 OGKruemmel wrote:
Apollo all-kill would be totally awesome


There is noway apollo is going to play.
IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
December 05 2011 19:42 GMT
#29
Added to the original post, we will now have prizes for our first broadcast of the IPL Team Arena Challenge!
[image loading]

Check the OP for details on how to win this Razer Deathadder Black Edition mouse and Razer Ironclad mousepad!
Kompicek
Profile Joined May 2008
Czech Republic245 Posts
December 05 2011 19:47 GMT
#30
hey guys, why not EG? I think they would have an OK chance of beating slayers
LunaSaint
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom620 Posts
December 05 2011 19:58 GMT
#31
Poor Dignitas, given SlayerS in the first round.

Apart from Apollo blind countering everyone with his hax player knowledge, I can't see it going too well for Dignitas.
Hoping for Bischu to surprise everyone. :D

Also, EG would lose 10 team league games in a row to SlayerS if they were serious, as would any foreign team. Just, no foreign team has the depth or unity of a korean team, let alone the practise or coaching/etc.
chatuka
Profile Joined July 2011
1351 Posts
December 05 2011 20:03 GMT
#32
EG:

Huk
Puma
idra..

That's pretty decent value regarding top heavy teams.

After that, EG goes down significantly in talent

I'd say that EG might have a chance if Huk Puma and IDra win a few in a row each..

Other than that,

I can't see EG taking out MMA, Puzzla, Coca, or even brown at the moment. you also haven't even included Taeja Ganzi,
nYaLa
Profile Joined January 2011
Uzbekistan295 Posts
December 05 2011 20:04 GMT
#33
Apollo vs Cella, coach vs coach gogo :D
no
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 05 2011 20:08 GMT
#34
Well... I can't really see SlayerS not winning this.
AdministratorBreak the chains
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 05 2011 20:18 GMT
#35
I really want that DeathAdder, my mouse is so horrible >.<
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Clank
Profile Joined April 2011
United States548 Posts
December 05 2011 20:49 GMT
#36
On December 06 2011 05:03 chatuka wrote:
EG:

Huk
Puma
idra..

That's pretty decent value regarding top heavy teams.

After that, EG goes down significantly in talent

I'd say that EG might have a chance if Huk Puma and IDra win a few in a row each..

Other than that,

I can't see EG taking out MMA, Puzzla, Coca, or even brown at the moment. you also haven't even included Taeja Ganzi,


you forgot demuslim, a slight step down now that he's been inactive, but not the huge step you were talking about.
AceOfSpaces
Profile Joined October 2011
Brazil37 Posts
December 05 2011 21:00 GMT
#37
Is apollo actually going to play? HUGE NERD CHILLS TASTLESS
urasyupi2
Profile Joined August 2011
United States810 Posts
December 05 2011 21:05 GMT
#38
IMO, the only thing standing between SlayerS and an allkill is SeleCT. Even then, I don't see how Dignitas can take this unless it's 5 all-ins in a row
hemeh
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 05 2011 21:13 GMT
#39
Go Slayers go!

I hope that Slayers will take this tournament seriously, after all, the money is there, and IM and MVP could put up a good fight.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
December 05 2011 21:19 GMT
#40
Hopefully Dignitas studies Uhen's gameplay and learn how to properly win!
MMA: The true King of Wings
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 05 2011 21:33 GMT
#41
On December 06 2011 06:19 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Hopefully Dignitas studies Uhen's gameplay and learn how to properly win!


Your ID makes this comment quite amusing and it gave me a good chuckle.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
December 05 2011 21:36 GMT
#42
5-2 with Slayers winning. (Select or Sjow can probably take 0-1 games a piece) Or 5-0 Diginitas is they send their zergs first and tell them to do roach attacks
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
fourColo
Profile Joined June 2011
United States363 Posts
December 05 2011 21:47 GMT
#43
Huk and Puma live at SlayerS and Idra will too, is there a chance they'll play on SlayerS?
Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
December 05 2011 21:51 GMT
#44
On December 06 2011 06:47 fourColo wrote:
Huk and Puma live at SlayerS and Idra will too, is there a chance they'll play on SlayerS?


No, EG only has a partnership with SlayerS not a merger.
PolskaGora
Profile Joined May 2011
United States547 Posts
December 05 2011 22:02 GMT
#45
I, for one, will be rooting for SlayerS! Gogogogo hopefully Dragon can make a comeback from when he lost at the previous team fight arena!
Tracking treasure down
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
December 05 2011 22:07 GMT
#46
Slayers -.- anyone who thinks otherwise didn't watch the rest of the matches...

If they lose, I will eat my words...
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 05 2011 22:18 GMT
#47
I just noticed that the Ironclad has a WeMadeFOX logo on the box T_T

R.I.P. WMF
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
bc4m
Profile Joined December 2011
United States17 Posts
December 05 2011 22:23 GMT
#48
Yikes, tough for Dignitas but I'm still hoping for some sweet games!
RetoX
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong252 Posts
December 05 2011 22:47 GMT
#49
gogogo dignitas !
Twitter : http://bit.ly/twitt-RetoX ♦ facebook http://on.fb.me/RetoX ♦
JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 23:01:24
December 05 2011 23:00 GMT
#50
Looking forward to SeleCT's play
He had some good games vs Alicia when he first went to Korea
Predicting 5-2 victory for SlayerS
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
December 05 2011 23:01 GMT
#51
I think sjow and select have a chance to win 1 set ech, the rest is completey slayers domination.
esports
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
December 05 2011 23:04 GMT
#52
On December 06 2011 03:35 VirgilSC2 wrote:
[image loading] VS [image loading]


Well, I think it depends on how seriously SlayerS takes this. SlayerS is definitely the heavy favorite though.


Agreed last time vs TyLoo they almost had a reverse all-kill, and dignitas is a better team than TyLoo so SlayerS should watch out.
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
December 05 2011 23:06 GMT
#53
On December 06 2011 08:04 TemplarCo. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 03:35 VirgilSC2 wrote:
[image loading] VS [image loading]


Well, I think it depends on how seriously SlayerS takes this. SlayerS is definitely the heavy favorite though.


Agreed last time vs TyLoo they almost had a reverse all-kill, and dignitas is a better team than TyLoo so SlayerS should watch out.


Well twas almost a reverse AK on much silliness (i mean holy shit, he roach busted 3 times, lets just FFE AGAIN) + B team
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
December 05 2011 23:06 GMT
#54
5-1 to Slayers, with Select or Killer taking a game. Would be great to see SlayerS put out a big gun to smash Dignitas (MMA/Ganzi/Puzzle). :D
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
FishStix
Profile Joined April 2010
United States425 Posts
December 05 2011 23:55 GMT
#55
love these <3
I do stuff in eSports
careohx
Profile Joined June 2011
263 Posts
December 06 2011 00:20 GMT
#56
i wish they had chosen a more interesting matchup as a league premier. MARKETING guys MARKETING if its just another slayers all-kill or a 5-1 with Slayers B teamers people will get bored and wont tune in next time
Pants10
Profile Joined March 2011
United States58 Posts
December 06 2011 00:53 GMT
#57
On December 06 2011 09:20 careohx wrote:
i wish they had chosen a more interesting matchup as a league premier. MARKETING guys MARKETING if its just another slayers all-kill or a 5-1 with Slayers B teamers people will get bored and wont tune in next time

The more Slayers wins it makes me wanna tune in more so I can see who finally dethrones them.
Joshy.IGN
Profile Joined May 2011
United States530 Posts
December 06 2011 00:58 GMT
#58
The stream is live now, so come join us! http://www.ign.com/ipl
IGN eSports Community Marketing Manager || http://www.ign.com/ipl
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
December 06 2011 01:02 GMT
#59
On December 06 2011 08:04 TemplarCo. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 03:35 VirgilSC2 wrote:
[image loading] VS [image loading]


Well, I think it depends on how seriously SlayerS takes this. SlayerS is definitely the heavy favorite though.


Agreed last time vs TyLoo they almost had a reverse all-kill, and dignitas is a better team than TyLoo so SlayerS should watch out.

You can't assume this is better then that, but it doesn't mean Dignitas will have better results than Tyloo vs. Slayers.
strava.com/athletes/zhaodynasty
hiyo_bye
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States737 Posts
December 06 2011 01:04 GMT
#60
I love Dignitas, but I have a feeling this won't end so well :X
Random
Caesarion
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia8332 Posts
December 06 2011 01:11 GMT
#61
Ah, they sent Crank. He's good, so he should be able to take a few wins. I would have preferred to see more of Brown though.
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 01:12:51
December 06 2011 01:12 GMT
#62
Sorry. BoxeR will never make an appearance in this. He is probably focusing all his efforts towards GSL.
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
December 06 2011 01:17 GMT
#63
Definitely would like to see Dragon do some work. Too bad no player-cam when they play.
@ranleee /// "first we expand, then we defense it'
IGNProLeague
Profile Joined April 2011
1184 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 01:24:18
December 06 2011 01:23 GMT
#64
The first game is underway!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 01:26:33
December 06 2011 01:24 GMT
#65
Crank looking good so far, good engagements

Good game Crank!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
December 06 2011 01:28 GMT
#66
Crank and Brown showing that Slayers is far from being a Terran only team
in a state of trance
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 01:30:55
December 06 2011 01:30 GMT
#67
Just noticed that QIM are in this, is it just Quantic now or is the whole tournament already played?
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
December 06 2011 01:30 GMT
#68
On December 06 2011 03:47 parazice wrote:
Golden or Brown 'll all-kill again

+ Show Spoiler [GSL Stuff be warned, yo] +
Now that Brown is Code S, does he still count as a "Random SlayerS player?"



On December 06 2011 03:44 IGNProLeague wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 03:40 Indrium wrote:
What's IPL doing about the QIM breakup?

Their joint participation in the Team Arena Challenge will continue, and if they should win prize money it will be up to them on how to distribute their earnings themselves. We appreciate their committal to finishing the tournament together and making it easier on us here at IPL. I look forward to seeing how they utilize their different players in the matches ahead! =)

That's good to hear, I'm glad that they're willing to continue to work together. Hopefully they'll add some good matches!

And now, I would like to call it:
Crank wins the first four games, then a reverse all-kill by...

+ Show Spoiler +
You guessed it, (P)Apollo!!!
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
December 06 2011 01:31 GMT
#69
On December 06 2011 10:28 nokz88 wrote:
Crank and Brown showing that Slayers is far from being a Terran only team


And Coca ;_;
MMA: The true King of Wings
OMS
Profile Joined September 2009
49 Posts
December 06 2011 01:38 GMT
#70
Wow, so many forcefields from Crank~
그냥.
simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
December 06 2011 01:39 GMT
#71
holy frick, as a zerg player those forcefields made me cringe haha
byah!
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 06 2011 01:39 GMT
#72
Nice move by Crank forcing killer up his ramp.
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
December 06 2011 01:39 GMT
#73
what a joke, killer's food was higher than the protoss that entire time by 10-20

but it was all FF'd in the main


dont understand design behind sentries
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
December 06 2011 01:39 GMT
#74
Haha that forcefield control is insane! Perfect forcefields the entire time!

Crank vs Bischu coming up!
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 06 2011 01:40 GMT
#75
Wow, that play was brilliant! Could you imagine the damage if there had been a psi storm on that ramp?

Go Slayers!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
December 06 2011 01:40 GMT
#76
As a recent switch to zerg, those forcefields were hard to watch
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
December 06 2011 01:40 GMT
#77
Yeah... please don't talk balance hd.
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urasyupi2
Profile Joined August 2011
United States810 Posts
December 06 2011 01:40 GMT
#78
Lol Killer must have been like "Maybe now and... Fuck."
hemeh
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 06 2011 01:40 GMT
#79
And that's how you punish a macro zerg.

Wow that was brutal.
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tDKyou
Profile Joined September 2011
United States202 Posts
December 06 2011 01:40 GMT
#80
Man, SlayerS is such a powerhouse.. Crank looking solid right now.. I hope Dignitas pulls through :\
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Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
December 06 2011 01:40 GMT
#81
I had a huge argument regarding the infinite forcefielding of a ramp. Regardless of balance it just seems like a shitty mechanic to me. (i am not zerg).
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
December 06 2011 01:41 GMT
#82
On December 06 2011 10:39 darkscream wrote:
what a joke, killer's food was higher than the protoss that entire time by 10-20

but it was all FF'd in the main


dont understand design behind sentries



his fault for pulling his whole army to deal with 3 zealots even after he saw all those sentries.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 06 2011 01:41 GMT
#83
On December 06 2011 10:39 darkscream wrote:
what a joke, killer's food was higher than the protoss that entire time by 10-20

but it was all FF'd in the main


dont understand design behind sentries

Killer let the Zealot warp in draw him into the main, it was his fault.
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Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
December 06 2011 01:44 GMT
#84
On a side note props to the IPL team. The production is always pretty amazing.
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
December 06 2011 01:44 GMT
#85
How is Quantic-IM going to work in this league since those two teams ended their partnership?
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bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 01:46:34
December 06 2011 01:45 GMT
#86
You'd probably hope Bischu's four gate is absolutely flawless if you choose PvP on TDA

Oh man he drops a robo
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
December 06 2011 01:45 GMT
#87
Lol got no chance in anything but 4gate vs. 4gate so you pick TD, very smart actually. Gotta do what ya gotta do. Still unsure if it will work but good thinking nonetheless.
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Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
December 06 2011 01:46 GMT
#88
On December 06 2011 10:40 Takezou wrote:
I had a huge argument regarding the infinite forcefielding of a ramp. Regardless of balance it just seems like a shitty mechanic to me. (i am not zerg).

Agreed, it's dumb, it makes PvP so boring.
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 01:50:23
December 06 2011 01:49 GMT
#89
gg good strat won, crank paniced. he shouldve just killed the zealots first instead of charging after immortals.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 06 2011 01:50 GMT
#90
That was super sexy by Bischu.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 06 2011 01:50 GMT
#91
Next time someone plays against bischu on TDA PvP they should just go blind proxy stargate
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
December 06 2011 01:51 GMT
#92
Very nice build by Bischu. Haven't seen it before and it worked so well.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 06 2011 01:52 GMT
#93
All-kill averted. Good play Bischu. Golden next?
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Enchanted
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
December 06 2011 01:52 GMT
#94
That build was awesome.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
December 06 2011 01:52 GMT
#95
That was sexy, nice to see another anti 4 gate build, one of the only ones that work on TDA that I've seen
Attilanator
Profile Joined March 2011
United States154 Posts
December 06 2011 01:52 GMT
#96
Dat build. Epic. That was so goooood Bischu Hwaiting!
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theMiNUS
Profile Joined January 2011
United States333 Posts
December 06 2011 01:53 GMT
#97
I loved that build... did that slayers dude make any obvious mistakes? or is that build as awesome as it seemed?
not idly do the leaves of lorien fall...
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
December 06 2011 01:54 GMT
#98
On December 06 2011 10:53 theMiNUS wrote:
I loved that build... did that slayers dude make any obvious mistakes? or is that build as awesome as it seemed?

I saw him targetting immortals while zealots just wailed away at his army; i think if you target down the zealots and leave the immortals without any buffer you will do ok.

Or just go blind stargate :p
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SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
December 06 2011 01:55 GMT
#99
On December 06 2011 10:54 bkrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 10:53 theMiNUS wrote:
I loved that build... did that slayers dude make any obvious mistakes? or is that build as awesome as it seemed?

I saw him targetting immortals while zealots just wailed away at his army; i think if you target down the zealots and leave the immortals without any buffer you will do ok.

Or just go blind stargate :p


Blind stargate on Tal-darim sounds sooo risky.
MMA: The true King of Wings
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
December 06 2011 01:57 GMT
#100
Crank seems to be lacking in the PvP area
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 06 2011 01:59 GMT
#101
Golden chose shakuras for ZvP? The hell?
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 06 2011 02:01 GMT
#102
What the hell is bischu doing?
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 02:07:31
December 06 2011 02:05 GMT
#103
bischu is being dead lol, unless golden doesnt transition
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 06 2011 02:05 GMT
#104
Nice snipe of the third, but poorly executed sentry drop
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 06 2011 02:10 GMT
#105
Wow, such good army trading and macro. Sauron-zerg style
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
December 06 2011 02:10 GMT
#106
props to bischu for the valiant effort
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Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
December 06 2011 02:11 GMT
#107
bischu had some good ideas, but the difference in mechanics between him and golden were pretty glaring
Flowjo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States928 Posts
December 06 2011 02:16 GMT
#108
On December 06 2011 11:11 Duravi wrote:
bischu had some good ideas, but the difference in mechanics between him and golden were pretty glaring


yea, most Korean vs Foreigner games you can see the difference in mechanics... still though Golden is quite strong and imo teeters on Code S and A.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 06 2011 02:17 GMT
#109
Wait, didn't they just play on Shakuras' Plateau?
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
December 06 2011 02:18 GMT
#110
On December 06 2011 11:17 Bagration wrote:
Wait, didn't they just play on Shakuras' Plateau?

Woot, this means we could have a full series with only Xel'Naga, oh the glory
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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 06 2011 02:24 GMT
#111
Why is Dignitas not playing both Sjow and SeleCT? They will only be able to play 1 of them now.
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 02:25:24
December 06 2011 02:25 GMT
#112
Forfeit again...without even playing Select.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 06 2011 02:25 GMT
#113
omg a forfeit?

SlayerS of motivation?
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 06 2011 02:25 GMT
#114
Dignitas with dat Millennium GG timing.
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Flowjo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States928 Posts
December 06 2011 02:25 GMT
#115
lol? What? Explanation or something? Did they just not want to get owned by golden... or am I missing something.
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Riyomori
Profile Joined July 2009
Singapore316 Posts
December 06 2011 02:25 GMT
#116
thats retarded. would think dignitas knows better
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
December 06 2011 02:25 GMT
#117
Ugh. That bites. I wanted to see Sjow or Select! :[
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iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
December 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#118
Wow, what the hell. Again?
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dinosrwar
Profile Joined September 2011
1290 Posts
December 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#119
Lolololol another forfeit against SlayerS? What, were Dignitas past their bedtimes too?
taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
December 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#120
if you can't field 5 for the tourney than respecfull decline your invite instead of this stupid forfeit shit, this is like the third time in the ipl
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
December 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#121
Sigh this is really sad.
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
December 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#122
What the fuck, IPL need to implement penalties or something. Why do teams keep doing this?
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Chocobo
Profile Joined November 2006
United States1108 Posts
December 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#123
Really impressed by Golden in that last game, very well played.

LOL at Dignitas ragequitting the tournament.
Lord_J
Profile Joined April 2011
Kenya1085 Posts
December 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#124
I hope teams like Millenium and Dignitas know how bad this kind of thing makes them look.
No relation to Monsieur J.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
December 06 2011 02:26 GMT
#125
Wow what the fuck is with teams quitting like this? First Millenium now Dignitas? I really have a hard time supporting teams that pull crap like this and IPL really shouldn't stand for them doing that. Just start uninviting teams that do this.

Not your fault IPL, you guys are great. Just don't put up with this crap anymore.
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theMiNUS
Profile Joined January 2011
United States333 Posts
December 06 2011 02:27 GMT
#126
+ Show Spoiler +
y no select???
not idly do the leaves of lorien fall...
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 06 2011 02:27 GMT
#127
Wow, that last battle looked really close, but dream should have gone for the main in my opinion due to less spines.

Forfeiting? Really?

Good job Slayers and Golden, looks like everyone is too scared to play you.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
December 06 2011 02:27 GMT
#128
I assume SeleCT and Sjow probably weren't avaliable. SeleCT's been going to a lot of tournaments in the past 2-3 weeks. Not sure when these games took place though.
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SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
December 06 2011 02:27 GMT
#129
Golden is unbeatable in team arena.
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cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
December 06 2011 02:27 GMT
#130
Lolwhat. Isn't Select in Korea. Don't tell me he had to go to sleep like millennium.
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Alphaes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States651 Posts
December 06 2011 02:28 GMT
#131
On December 06 2011 11:26 Jehct wrote:
What the fuck, IPL need to implement penalties or something. Why do teams keep doing this?

Yeah, they really need to do something - it feels like they have no professional authority if they just keep letting the teams blow over their rules.
What this
tDKyou
Profile Joined September 2011
United States202 Posts
December 06 2011 02:28 GMT
#132
Ugh, was hoping for a SeleCT comeback >.<.. I don't know why this keeps happening..
SeleCT - RainBOw - Bomber - TaeJa - Mvp
Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
December 06 2011 02:28 GMT
#133
Man Dignitas has a big team. I thought it was just Select, Sjow, Bischu, and Killer.
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Nuzoybot
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands52 Posts
December 06 2011 02:28 GMT
#134
i hope that IPL does something to avoid these forfeits. They are completely anti-climatic.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 06 2011 02:28 GMT
#135
On December 06 2011 11:27 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Golden is unbeatable in team arena.


He's like the IPL Team Arena bonjwa!


...too soon?
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
December 06 2011 02:30 GMT
#136
On December 06 2011 11:28 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 11:27 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Golden is unbeatable in team arena.


He's like the IPL Team Arena bonjwa!


...too soon?


I'd go one step further. He's the Team Arena God.
MMA: The true King of Wings
Alex.IGN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1050 Posts
December 06 2011 02:31 GMT
#137
The penalty is that we are far less likely to invite them to future events. We obviously don't want teams to not finish out a series, but it is also different from if they didn't show up completely.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 06 2011 02:32 GMT
#138
Wow I was wondering why this suddenly ended after I went to water my plants (i love my plants)

These teams give up too fast -__- ''
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Dumboprime
Profile Joined March 2011
985 Posts
December 06 2011 02:32 GMT
#139
Why did dignitas ragequit?
dinosrwar
Profile Joined September 2011
1290 Posts
December 06 2011 02:36 GMT
#140
On December 06 2011 11:31 Alex.IGN wrote:
The penalty is that we are far less likely to invite them to future events. We obviously don't want teams to not finish out a series, but it is also different from if they didn't show up completely.


Didn't other teams lose a slot as a result? Like Empire, for instance?
Coffins
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada85 Posts
December 06 2011 02:37 GMT
#141
slayers too strong
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 02:38:35
December 06 2011 02:37 GMT
#142
On December 06 2011 11:32 lichter wrote:
Wow I was wondering why this suddenly ended after I went to water my plants (i love my plants)

These teams give up too fast -__- ''


It's a helpless feeling really, knowing that your entire lineup is unable to do anything to stop a B-teamer (whom very few people had even heard of before Team Arena) from decimating your team. Perhaps the worst part is knowing that even as you are losing, you are being toyed around with and can do nothing to stop it. Liquid put up some resistance against the B-team, as did Tyloo (or more like just Uhen), but Millenium, Acer, aTn were all helplessly played. It's a very humiliating experience.

Should they have forfeit? Hell no, you fight until the end.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Brotatolol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1742 Posts
December 06 2011 02:39 GMT
#143
Sad to see Dignitas have to forfeit, but congrats to SlayerS.

Golden such a Team Arena gosu.
Alex.IGN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1050 Posts
December 06 2011 02:41 GMT
#144
On December 06 2011 11:36 dinosrwar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 11:31 Alex.IGN wrote:
The penalty is that we are far less likely to invite them to future events. We obviously don't want teams to not finish out a series, but it is also different from if they didn't show up completely.


Didn't other teams lose a slot as a result? Like Empire, for instance?


Lose a slot as a result of what?
IGN eSports StarCraft 2 Division Manager
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
December 06 2011 02:41 GMT
#145
Golden is the IPL Bonjwa. Makes teams quit and everything.
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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
December 06 2011 02:42 GMT
#146
I can't believe Tyloo is the only team that gave SlayerS a run for their money.
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
December 06 2011 02:42 GMT
#147
I think that the team representative of Dignitas needs to come out and publicly apologize.
dinosrwar
Profile Joined September 2011
1290 Posts
December 06 2011 02:42 GMT
#148
On December 06 2011 11:41 Alex.IGN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 11:36 dinosrwar wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:31 Alex.IGN wrote:
The penalty is that we are far less likely to invite them to future events. We obviously don't want teams to not finish out a series, but it is also different from if they didn't show up completely.


Didn't other teams lose a slot as a result? Like Empire, for instance?


Lose a slot as a result of what?


Of Dignitas being selected to participate in the league.
MotherGoose
Profile Joined March 2011
66 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 02:16:30
December 06 2011 02:42 GMT
#149
On December 06 2011 11:26 dinosrwar wrote:
Lolololol another forfeit against SlayerS? What, were Dignitas past their bedtimes too?


Perhaps they have school tomorrow with Millenium. Anyway, I am very disappointed, I set some time aside to watch this and I thought the teams and players would put their best effort in. There needs to be a clearer penalty imposed, it robs the fans from around the world to see some games. Forfeiting without good reason, esp. without bothering to put you have strong players in the line up, shows that the team weren't treating this seriously and were being disrespectful. It's to put it bluntly, a mockery and Dignitas needs to apologize to the everyone in the community.

---

Edit (7/12): Okay, they apologized and explained, so I am satisfied now. Apology accepted. In future, can the teams do their best to compete in these events? It is a good opportunity to gain exposure, and see some people you don't normally play.

If the teams don't have enough players, they should notify the organizers and other teams to see if they can get special permission to use another player - for example the the 'SlayerS vs Alternate' team arena, ESC.Goody was granted special permission to play. I'm sure there are many other pro-gamers itching to have a chance to get the opportunity to play in this series.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 06 2011 02:44 GMT
#150
On December 06 2011 11:42 babylon wrote:
I can't believe Tyloo is the only team that gave SlayerS a run for their money.


Mouz did a good job, losing 3-5 to Slayers' A-team (mostly). Liquid did decent as well, and actually had the lead at one point, but alas, the Slayers B-team was too strong for TL.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 06 2011 02:45 GMT
#151
Man, this makes team leagues look bad. Team leagues are my favorite tournaments, and 1 team forfeiting is enough as it is.
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
December 06 2011 02:45 GMT
#152
What I don't understand is why a team would sign up for an event like this, and forfeit out of the first round when they are down in maps. I feel like it has to just be that they didn't have a fifth player available. Otherwise it just seems nonsensical.
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 02:46:55
December 06 2011 02:46 GMT
#153
Maybe Select and Sjow were too busy practicing for something else/away?
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Alex.IGN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1050 Posts
December 06 2011 02:47 GMT
#154
On December 06 2011 11:42 dinosrwar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 11:41 Alex.IGN wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:36 dinosrwar wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:31 Alex.IGN wrote:
The penalty is that we are far less likely to invite them to future events. We obviously don't want teams to not finish out a series, but it is also different from if they didn't show up completely.


Didn't other teams lose a slot as a result? Like Empire, for instance?


Lose a slot as a result of what?


Of Dignitas being selected to participate in the league.


Technically yes but you can say that about any team. We've already gone over the team selection issues. Is it disappointing that Dignitas didn't bring out Select, Sjow, or a 5th player? Yes. Is it worth tons of drama and bashing on Dignitas? No.
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
December 06 2011 02:47 GMT
#155
forfeiting matches like this shouldn't be acceptable
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 06 2011 02:50 GMT
#156
On December 06 2011 11:46 iSometric wrote:
Maybe Select and Sjow were too busy practicing for something else/away?


Maybe, but there are no major tournaments that they are going to this month that has a bigger prize pool than this, and they seriously cannot take an hour from their week to play a game?

Know why Slayers uses so many B-teamers? First to hide the strategies that the A-team plans to use in the GSL and other major tournaments, but also to give them experience competing and practice. Playing in this likely would have helped Select and Sjow with their practice, and give them a chance to test their skills.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
December 06 2011 02:53 GMT
#157
On December 06 2011 11:47 Alex.IGN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 11:42 dinosrwar wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:41 Alex.IGN wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:36 dinosrwar wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:31 Alex.IGN wrote:
The penalty is that we are far less likely to invite them to future events. We obviously don't want teams to not finish out a series, but it is also different from if they didn't show up completely.


Didn't other teams lose a slot as a result? Like Empire, for instance?


Lose a slot as a result of what?


Of Dignitas being selected to participate in the league.


Technically yes but you can say that about any team. We've already gone over the team selection issues. Is it disappointing that Dignitas didn't bring out Select, Sjow, or a 5th player? Yes. Is it worth tons of drama and bashing on Dignitas? No.

It may not be worth tons of drama but it is definitely worth bashing Dignitas. They didn't show respect for your league or the fans watching, that should mean something to you.
Alex.IGN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1050 Posts
December 06 2011 02:59 GMT
#158
On December 06 2011 11:53 Duravi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 11:47 Alex.IGN wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:42 dinosrwar wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:41 Alex.IGN wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:36 dinosrwar wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:31 Alex.IGN wrote:
The penalty is that we are far less likely to invite them to future events. We obviously don't want teams to not finish out a series, but it is also different from if they didn't show up completely.


Didn't other teams lose a slot as a result? Like Empire, for instance?


Lose a slot as a result of what?


Of Dignitas being selected to participate in the league.


Technically yes but you can say that about any team. We've already gone over the team selection issues. Is it disappointing that Dignitas didn't bring out Select, Sjow, or a 5th player? Yes. Is it worth tons of drama and bashing on Dignitas? No.

It may not be worth tons of drama but it is definitely worth bashing Dignitas. They didn't show respect for your league or the fans watching, that should mean something to you.


It definitely does mean a lot of me. I meant "bashing" more as serious attacks on Dignitas, who have competed faithfully in IPL 1, 2, 3 and other tournaments we've run. Them not being ready with a 5th player sucks, no doubt, and they should have been ready to go but it doesn't mean that they are a terrible team who was out to disrespect us, you, and the audience in general. This is literally the first incident we've had with them, and jumping on them for forfeiting one game seems a little premature. Not saying the audience shouldn't be disappointed though, as we certainly were.
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setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
December 06 2011 03:02 GMT
#159
Quite frankly this is embarrassing on the part of Dignitas to not be able to field a 5th player in a tournament with this kind of money on the line when you have nine people on your roster. After first Mill. and now Dignitas I can't see Boxer having that favorable of an opinion over the conduct some of the Western teams show in the events. I don't know how IPL goes about scheduling these matches but from my viewpoint IPL has always done well to accommodate.

These guys are supposed to be professionals and half the roster can't show up to represent their team and sponsors in a team tournament of this size. I guess a Western Proleague is not an attainable goal if the standard these teams have for themselves is so low.
boSeok
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada177 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 03:04:58
December 06 2011 03:04 GMT
#160
well i dont see anything wrong... people quit all the time.. i rather forfeit 5-1 rather than be toyed with and lose 9-1...

it is disrespectful but there is a reason why there is a surrender button.. if you ever think you cant win you click it.
this is the same thing as forfeiting a tournament
Spaceneil8
Profile Joined February 2011
United States317 Posts
December 06 2011 03:06 GMT
#161
On December 06 2011 11:47 Alex.IGN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 11:42 dinosrwar wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:41 Alex.IGN wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:36 dinosrwar wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:31 Alex.IGN wrote:
The penalty is that we are far less likely to invite them to future events. We obviously don't want teams to not finish out a series, but it is also different from if they didn't show up completely.


Didn't other teams lose a slot as a result? Like Empire, for instance?


Lose a slot as a result of what?


Of Dignitas being selected to participate in the league.


Technically yes but you can say that about any team. We've already gone over the team selection issues. Is it disappointing that Dignitas didn't bring out Select, Sjow, or a 5th player? Yes. Is it worth tons of drama and bashing on Dignitas? No.

Can't IPL just check if the series has been played out and just broadcast a different series while Dignitas/Slayers finishes this one at a later date?

If the teams can't finish it in one day due to expected reasons, they should be able to finish the next day or something. Idk how it works but it sounds reasonable.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
December 06 2011 03:08 GMT
#162
Ouch, Dignitas really got dominated.
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
December 06 2011 03:13 GMT
#163
I just watched Killer v Crank. Holy shit if that happened to me, I would need a new keyboard
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
MotherGoose
Profile Joined March 2011
66 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 03:28:18
December 06 2011 03:14 GMT
#164
On December 06 2011 12:04 Kakoon wrote:
it is disrespectful but there is a reason why there is a surrender button.. if you ever think you cant win you click it.
this is the same thing as forfeiting a tournament


This is true, we aren't arguing this. The point is that there is over 7k to 10k people who were left in the lurch, believing that there was going to be a good fight to the end. To say to the effect, "Let's forfeit - stuff it, we aren't going to win", sends the wrong type of message out - I enjoy watching people fight to the very end, esp. when there is fans to entertain and money on the line... BoxeR fights to the very end and is inspirational. [If the reason was that players were not available, this tournament has been advertised for over a week; many people had the mind to put it on their calendars, for the Dignitas Team Manager to not arrange the availability of players is a severe failure.]

TyLoo last week, some people may not have been happy with the tactics of Uhen, but he took it to the final game - and almost won, had Alicia not been on the ball! That was really exciting. What did I get today? I watched a team who simply gave up. Hope the sponsors take note of teams like this who don't bother with air time and care about fans.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 06 2011 03:16 GMT
#165
On December 06 2011 12:13 CeriseCherries wrote:
I just watched Killer v Crank. Holy shit if that happened to me, I would need a new keyboard


The crazy thing is, that Dream tried a very similar attack with the FF on the ramp against Golden, and was close to winning, but then decided to attack the spine-defended third rather than the main. Slayers just so good. Crazy thing is we have not even seen one of their top Terrans since Ryung months ago.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
December 06 2011 03:18 GMT
#166
Disgraceful by Dignitas, should be punished..
#1 Terran hater
woobsauce
Profile Joined August 2011
United States491 Posts
December 06 2011 03:25 GMT
#167
@ IPL - tonight's matches were amazing, and this event is awesome! Thank you for hosting this tournament! :O
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
December 06 2011 03:46 GMT
#168
Sucks, I think Sjow and Select could have scored a few wins >_>
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 06 2011 04:01 GMT
#169
On December 06 2011 03:58 saksy2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 03:54 SabreUK wrote:
Apollo all-kill inc called it

Quoted for truth


Good call.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 06 2011 08:43 GMT
#170
On December 06 2011 11:37 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 11:32 lichter wrote:
Wow I was wondering why this suddenly ended after I went to water my plants (i love my plants)

These teams give up too fast -__- ''


It's a helpless feeling really, knowing that your entire lineup is unable to do anything to stop a B-teamer (whom very few people had even heard of before Team Arena) from decimating your team. Perhaps the worst part is knowing that even as you are losing, you are being toyed around with and can do nothing to stop it. Liquid put up some resistance against the B-team, as did Tyloo (or more like just Uhen), but Millenium, Acer, aTn were all helplessly played. It's a very humiliating experience.

Should they have forfeit? Hell no, you fight until the end.


I've played several sports competitively (at an amateur level, but seriously) so I know what it feels like to have to endure an entire quarter or half of humiliation after the result has already been all but decided. That's why it makes no sense to me to give up That's why I also get annoyed/disappointed at preemptive ggs. Oh well.
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merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 11:40:01
December 06 2011 11:36 GMT
#171
On December 06 2011 11:59 Alex.IGN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 11:53 Duravi wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:47 Alex.IGN wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:42 dinosrwar wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:41 Alex.IGN wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:36 dinosrwar wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:31 Alex.IGN wrote:
The penalty is that we are far less likely to invite them to future events. We obviously don't want teams to not finish out a series, but it is also different from if they didn't show up completely.


Didn't other teams lose a slot as a result? Like Empire, for instance?


Lose a slot as a result of what?


Of Dignitas being selected to participate in the league.


Technically yes but you can say that about any team. We've already gone over the team selection issues. Is it disappointing that Dignitas didn't bring out Select, Sjow, or a 5th player? Yes. Is it worth tons of drama and bashing on Dignitas? No.

It may not be worth tons of drama but it is definitely worth bashing Dignitas. They didn't show respect for your league or the fans watching, that should mean something to you.


It definitely does mean a lot of me. I meant "bashing" more as serious attacks on Dignitas, who have competed faithfully in IPL 1, 2, 3 and other tournaments we've run. Them not being ready with a 5th player sucks, no doubt, and they should have been ready to go but it doesn't mean that they are a terrible team who was out to disrespect us, you, and the audience in general. This is literally the first incident we've had with them, and jumping on them for forfeiting one game seems a little premature. Not saying the audience shouldn't be disappointed though, as we certainly were.


Extremely tight schedules and troubles with fitting KST with CET led to this unfortunately. SlayerS could only play at certain times which were either extremely late for us or extremely early and we also had players attending both MLG Providence and Dreamhack Winter during all of this, including the travelling time for players who went to both events (SjoW & SeleCT for example) it was just very hard to find a fit time. We did what we could to bring out a 5th player but in the end we couldn't pull through. This is of course disappointing both for us and for the fans/viewers but know we really tried our best to get this to work.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
December 06 2011 11:47 GMT
#172
On December 06 2011 11:47 Alex.IGN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 11:42 dinosrwar wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:41 Alex.IGN wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:36 dinosrwar wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:31 Alex.IGN wrote:
The penalty is that we are far less likely to invite them to future events. We obviously don't want teams to not finish out a series, but it is also different from if they didn't show up completely.


Didn't other teams lose a slot as a result? Like Empire, for instance?


Lose a slot as a result of what?


Of Dignitas being selected to participate in the league.


Technically yes but you can say that about any team. We've already gone over the team selection issues. Is it disappointing that Dignitas didn't bring out Select, Sjow, or a 5th player? Yes. Is it worth tons of drama and bashing on Dignitas? No.

Why didn't you come out to defend Millenium when the same happened ?
Will these forfeit have an influence on future invitations ?
AIOL!
Profile Joined January 2011
France962 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 12:17:14
December 06 2011 12:15 GMT
#173
On December 06 2011 20:47 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 11:47 Alex.IGN wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:42 dinosrwar wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:41 Alex.IGN wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:36 dinosrwar wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:31 Alex.IGN wrote:
The penalty is that we are far less likely to invite them to future events. We obviously don't want teams to not finish out a series, but it is also different from if they didn't show up completely.


Didn't other teams lose a slot as a result? Like Empire, for instance?


Lose a slot as a result of what?


Of Dignitas being selected to participate in the league.


Technically yes but you can say that about any team. We've already gone over the team selection issues. Is it disappointing that Dignitas didn't bring out Select, Sjow, or a 5th player? Yes. Is it worth tons of drama and bashing on Dignitas? No.
Why didn't you come out to defend Millenium when the same happened ?
Will these forfeit have an influence on future invitations ?


Stop talking about that, they defended Millenium aswell and no team needs to be bashed when they forfeit a game. In all this thread it's like if you were robbed of something... This is ridiculous, if you wanna see a game there is like 20 millions wich you can see on the internet with VODs, Replays and livestreams. Just forget about this issue, this is not a drama
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LeviathanDK
Profile Joined August 2011
Denmark87 Posts
December 06 2011 12:29 GMT
#174
why dont just every team surrender so we can get it down to SlayerS vs EG... it is shame about time zones and such but hey that is life, and a team should go to the end and i mean we are clearly seeing the difference between team houses and just teams. also gotta hurt so baad for the foreigner teams to know that when a team like SlayerS come with Code A or B lineup guys then they still steam roll those that are considered very very good players by casters and fans.

SlayerS FTW and this is a great example that the so called october revalution is nothing but overhyped by fans/writers and commentators the Koreans are still miles ahead and can afford to take a pause for 3 months and still be way ahead.
MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
December 06 2011 12:50 GMT
#175
Why didn't Dignitas use Select, Sjow and BlinG? They would stand a chance...
Farone
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
December 06 2011 12:51 GMT
#176
On December 06 2011 21:50 MrMercuG wrote:
Why didn't Dignitas use Select, Sjow and BlinG? They would stand a chance...




On December 06 2011 20:36 dignitas.merz wrote:
Extremely tight schedules and troubles with fitting KST with CET led to this unfortunately. SlayerS could only play at certain times which were either extremely late for us or extremely early and we also had players attending both MLG Providence and Dreamhack Winter during all of this, including the travelling time for players who went to both events (SjoW & SeleCT for example) it was just very hard to find a fit time. We did what we could to bring out a 5th player but in the end we couldn't pull through. This is of course disappointing both for us and for the fans/viewers but know we really tried our best to get this to work.



thats why
MC, Stephano, Ret, Jjakji, Grubby, Life, HerO, Scarlett, TaeJa
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
December 06 2011 14:51 GMT
#177
These no shows are really bad mannered.
Should have invited Empire instead of Dignitas or Millenium.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 06 2011 17:49 GMT
#178
On December 06 2011 21:50 MrMercuG wrote:
Why didn't Dignitas use Select, Sjow and BlinG? They would stand a chance...


Debatable...

Poor decision-making by Dignitas management nevertheless
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
MepHiii
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland191 Posts
December 06 2011 19:37 GMT
#179
hey, dignitas sc2 manager here. first of all, obviously, i personally and the dignitas management are very sorry about what happened with this match. by forfeiting the last player, we took away a lot of the excitement for this match for all of you guys and especially disappointed the IPL who gave us a chance to compete in this amazing tournament.
we were very grateful when we were asked to replace a team short-notice and accepted the fact that we were massively behind schedule to play the game.

unfortunately, we came to this tournament at a very unlucky timing with mlg only a few days away. this was not a problem for slayers as they said they don't depend on boxer and mma (who were also attending mlg) but for us it was. we accepted the invitation thinking we could work something out which as it turned out we couldn't. our attempts to get sjow and select to play from the venue didn't work out. same with the idea to play their games on the morning after their return from mlg (at noon they would already leave for dreamhack again). so at this point we were already delaying the tournament to a horrible extent which made us feel really bad seeing as IPL have had the understood hope in us to catch up with the scheduling quickly. since i saw no way to tax IPL's patience further, i had to forfeit the last player.

i hope that you can at least understand our point of view that the tough time situation (which noone but us for accepting the invitation in good faith is to blame for) and our refusal to delay the tournament even further left us with no choice. thank you.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
December 06 2011 19:48 GMT
#180
Wow dignitas got owned by the b-teamers?!

SlayerS are really talented. oO
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
waNNabeGUY
Profile Joined October 2011
7 Posts
December 06 2011 20:04 GMT
#181
i am not surprised that 5th player for dignitas wasnt ready, i guess everyone expected that star players (KiLLer or merz) can all-kill low team like SlayerS

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jianming
Profile Joined November 2011
149 Posts
December 06 2011 20:12 GMT
#182
On December 06 2011 11:31 Alex.IGN wrote:
The penalty is that we are far less likely to invite them to future events. We obviously don't want teams to not finish out a series, but it is also different from if they didn't show up completely.


So how come Mill were invited to this? I love IPL and team arena was awesome... but thse forfeited teams need to be punsiehd. I don't even think its too harsh to DQ them from tourney unless they have a VERY good reason.
jianming
Profile Joined November 2011
149 Posts
December 06 2011 20:21 GMT
#183
On December 06 2011 20:36 dignitas.merz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 11:59 Alex.IGN wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:53 Duravi wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:47 Alex.IGN wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:42 dinosrwar wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:41 Alex.IGN wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:36 dinosrwar wrote:
On December 06 2011 11:31 Alex.IGN wrote:
The penalty is that we are far less likely to invite them to future events. We obviously don't want teams to not finish out a series, but it is also different from if they didn't show up completely.


Didn't other teams lose a slot as a result? Like Empire, for instance?


Lose a slot as a result of what?


Of Dignitas being selected to participate in the league.


Technically yes but you can say that about any team. We've already gone over the team selection issues. Is it disappointing that Dignitas didn't bring out Select, Sjow, or a 5th player? Yes. Is it worth tons of drama and bashing on Dignitas? No.

It may not be worth tons of drama but it is definitely worth bashing Dignitas. They didn't show respect for your league or the fans watching, that should mean something to you.


It definitely does mean a lot of me. I meant "bashing" more as serious attacks on Dignitas, who have competed faithfully in IPL 1, 2, 3 and other tournaments we've run. Them not being ready with a 5th player sucks, no doubt, and they should have been ready to go but it doesn't mean that they are a terrible team who was out to disrespect us, you, and the audience in general. This is literally the first incident we've had with them, and jumping on them for forfeiting one game seems a little premature. Not saying the audience shouldn't be disappointed though, as we certainly were.


Extremely tight schedules and troubles with fitting KST with CET led to this unfortunately. SlayerS could only play at certain times which were either extremely late for us or extremely early and we also had players attending both MLG Providence and Dreamhack Winter during all of this, including the travelling time for players who went to both events (SjoW & SeleCT for example) it was just very hard to find a fit time. We did what we could to bring out a 5th player but in the end we couldn't pull through. This is of course disappointing both for us and for the fans/viewers but know we really tried our best to get this to work.


lol so basically it was so players could sleep. MMA played a (practically) meaningless game vs Stephano for IPL3 qualifiers at 8am korean time, after staying up all night....
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
December 06 2011 20:31 GMT
#184
On December 07 2011 05:04 waNNabeGUY wrote:
i am not surprised that 5th player for dignitas wasnt ready, i guess everyone expected that star players (KiLLer or merz) can all-kill low team like SlayerS

[image loading]

Don't post memes on TL, it's in the rules. It is very weird that they forfeited without putting out a 'big name'.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 06 2011 21:16 GMT
#185
Agh, the end was disappointing, but with a manager and a player of dignitas apologizing for it, there shouldn't be any hard feelings. Besides, the missing players had good reason why they could not participate, so it's okay (<- not a Naniwa "it's okay" which can mean anything).
SjoW
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden67 Posts
December 06 2011 21:26 GMT
#186
Im sorry if I couldnt attend for this. But it was a really busy time for me traveling all over the world etc. Me and select were actually in MLG providence when the slayers clanwar was played. We tried to get hold of computers to play from mlg but didnt succeed. Im sorry if I let anyone down, I will attend everything I can in the future. Sorry again!
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 21:30:29
December 06 2011 21:27 GMT
#187
nvm, taking that back. not staring to flame mill.
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
December 06 2011 22:31 GMT
#188
On December 07 2011 06:26 SjoW wrote:
Im sorry if I couldnt attend for this. But it was a really busy time for me traveling all over the world etc. Me and select were actually in MLG providence when the slayers clanwar was played. We tried to get hold of computers to play from mlg but didnt succeed. Im sorry if I let anyone down, I will attend everything I can in the future. Sorry again!


Sorry you guys couldn't get to play

Chobopeon just echoed this on SC report too. SeleCT all kill coming for losers bracket just saying.
EG | Liquid | Dignitas | FXO | SlayerS | TSL | iS | Fan of pretty much all players ^_^ | SeleCT <3 forever! Axslav <3
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
December 07 2011 01:30 GMT
#189
On December 07 2011 06:26 SjoW wrote:
Im sorry if I couldnt attend for this. But it was a really busy time for me traveling all over the world etc. Me and select were actually in MLG providence when the slayers clanwar was played. We tried to get hold of computers to play from mlg but didnt succeed. Im sorry if I let anyone down, I will attend everything I can in the future. Sorry again!



You know that is all it takes to turn something negative into a positive. A lot of viewers just want to see that someone at Dignitas cares enough to respond. Even though it should have been a statement from the team I appreciate Sjow responding.
MepHiii
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland191 Posts
December 07 2011 14:10 GMT
#190
On December 07 2011 10:30 Takezou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 06:26 SjoW wrote:
Im sorry if I couldnt attend for this. But it was a really busy time for me traveling all over the world etc. Me and select were actually in MLG providence when the slayers clanwar was played. We tried to get hold of computers to play from mlg but didnt succeed. Im sorry if I let anyone down, I will attend everything I can in the future. Sorry again!



You know that is all it takes to turn something negative into a positive. A lot of viewers just want to see that someone at Dignitas cares enough to respond. Even though it should have been a statement from the team I appreciate Sjow responding.

There was
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
December 07 2011 21:08 GMT
#191
Alex from IGN said that the consequences for dignitas is that they will less likely be invited to future ipl events. However, we see that Millenium was invited even after the last debacle. I feel like IPL is speaking double talk. they talk the talk, but when it comes down to it they don't back up their words with action.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 07 2011 21:23 GMT
#192
On December 08 2011 06:08 ptbl wrote:
Alex from IGN said that the consequences for dignitas is that they will less likely be invited to future ipl events. However, we see that Millenium was invited even after the last debacle. I feel like IPL is speaking double talk. they talk the talk, but when it comes down to it they don't back up their words with action.


They are trying to start up a new team league, and you do not want to burn bridges like that. Without the teams, this event would not even be possible. Should dignitas or Millenium have forfeited? Of course not, and IPL needs to discuss with the management about this issue. But by being overly punitive to these teams, IPL destroys the working relationships that it has with these teams. IPL wants to grow, but they realize they cannot react, as it is hard to grow a team league when you start banning teams from participation.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Joshy.IGN
Profile Joined May 2011
United States530 Posts
December 07 2011 21:37 GMT
#193
On December 08 2011 06:08 ptbl wrote:
Alex from IGN said that the consequences for dignitas is that they will less likely be invited to future ipl events. However, we see that Millenium was invited even after the last debacle. I feel like IPL is speaking double talk. they talk the talk, but when it comes down to it they don't back up their words with action.

Millenium was slotted to participate before they played SlayerS in the normal Team Arena. Hope that's clear.
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