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Same drill as usual:

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Excessive tournament bashing that detracts from game discussion will be met with moderator action. Criticism is welcome, whining is not.
In general do your best to stay on topic and discuss what we're all here for: the games.

Enjoy the games guys.

andaylin

United States10830 Posts

December 03 2011 05:20 GMT

#7721

On December 03 2011 14:19 Packawana wrote:

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And sacrifice the majority of a budget that is already probably in tight straits as is?

For even higher level games, perhaps.

poorcloud

Singapore2748 Posts

December 03 2011 05:20 GMT

#7722

Thorzain is floating quite a bit of minerals but still has a substantial supply lead O.O

mierin

United States4943 Posts

December 03 2011 05:21 GMT

#7723

On December 03 2011 14:19 Packawana wrote:

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And sacrifice the majority of a budget that is already probably in tight straits as is?

Good thing that budget bought such a big venue and so many chairs...

andaylin

United States10830 Posts

December 03 2011 05:21 GMT

#7724

Dat 1 guy.

Anachronism

109 Posts

December 03 2011 05:21 GMT

#7725

Aww Thorzain is so good at times but he never trusts himself, runs away with the marines when he could've killed that whole army :o

On December 03 2011 14:17 Usagi wrote:
Koreans wanted NASL to bend over and drop their pants. I'm actually ok with the fact NASL stood firm, we dont NEED them as bad as they seem to NEED us.

Yeah NASL is doing mighty fine isn't it...

On December 03 2011 14:21 mierin wrote:

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Good thing that budget bought such a big venue and so many chairs...

Don't forget the 11 casters and 3 sound technicians.

Lavi

Bangladesh793 Posts

December 03 2011 05:21 GMT

#7726

On December 03 2011 14:17 godemperor wrote:

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agreed nasl 1 was never that high, it was more like 40-50k normally and 80-90k at final, never over 100k iirc.

Yeah something like this, but I remember it spiking over 100k viewers in finals, however brief it may of been.

I_Love_Bacon

United States5765 Posts

December 03 2011 05:21 GMT

#7727

On December 03 2011 14:18 andaylin wrote:

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What the hell are you responding to.

But to respond, I would rather have them than not.

Everybody (well, almost) would rather the Koreans have participated. But at some point, you can't allow them to strong-arm you. After agreeing to play in season 2, they then essentially said 'fuck you nasl, pay us more or we don't play.' NASL was fine with increasing the initial payouts to the lower placed players to help pay for airfare etc.... and they still ended up not doing it.

jubil

United States2602 Posts

December 03 2011 05:21 GMT

#7728

Ok I do hope that we don't get an "OOOOOHHHHHH" for every marine death -__-

Lazerlike42

United States104 Posts

December 03 2011 05:21 GMT

#7729

On December 03 2011 14:18 Anachronism wrote:

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On December 03 2011 14:13 Lazerlike42 wrote:

On December 03 2011 14:12 Anachronism wrote:

On December 03 2011 14:06 Defacer wrote:

On December 03 2011 14:02 Lazerlike42 wrote:

On December 03 2011 13:53 Defacer wrote:

On December 03 2011 13:51 Loxley wrote:

On December 03 2011 13:49 Pick wrote:
How does a tournament with a $100,000 prize pool and well known players and casters only attract a live crowd of 20 people?

=/

Yeah still wondering about that.. Tweet the world with a 'free entrance' action or something. They still got 25k viewers onstream, make it more enjoyable for the bigger audience?

It's like a Comedy Club. It's better to give away free tickets to play to an empty crowd. At least you'd be able to satisfy the sponsors, hopefully sell some concessions/merchandise, etc.

Honestly, I think the problem, with NASL as a whole may simply be a lack of business acumen. For example, PR 101 is that when you're trying to promote something you make sure that the venue/arrangements are too small/little for the crowd you expect. You do the same thing in politics: when you're on the campaign trail, every stop should be a little too small to actually support the event. That way you create the perception of being more popular than you are. Of course, this is just one item, and certainly I can't imagine the NASL folks expected anything like this small a turnout. That said, everybody knows they're trying to really "save" NASL and to demonstrate that it should exist. It seems like even once they knew this wasn't going well they just decided to carry on and hope for the best without attempting to do anything. I think my point is just that even in bad circumstances, there are things to be done which more seasoned business minded folks would keep in mind, and this may be a manifestation of a generally poor business sense which is mucking the whole operation up.

At the end of the day ... something about the whole tournament is 'off'. I really appreciate and respect what they are trying to contribute to the community, but everything points to poor management and weak leadership.

Yeah sad part is they really tried.

I still judge them harshly though because it's nobody's fault but theirs that they're failing... instead of taking all the criticism from Season 1 seriously they've just kept up the whole charade whilst InControl has kept telling us that everything is great and nothing is bad with the NASL.

They've had ample time to improve and make things right yet still we have really bad audio and production value.

Still great that they're bringing out so many casters but for only having 1 stream on it just seems like overkill... why not spend the money spent on flying in 11 casters on koreans instead?

Maybe they could spend the money on something else, but they offered the Koreans more than enough money. Giving into them may help NASL in the short term, but would be very bad for e-sports and thus NASL in the bigger, long term picture.

"more than enough" if you ask people who represent NASL... not like they're going to say anything else.

And obviously NASL is doing worse this Season than in the first season which is just not correct according to your statement... some people hate because they want to, I dislike them abit because I paid for a product and it was not delivered. But let's get back to the games.

<3 Husky and Day9 combo

Eh, ultimately it doesn't matter what NASL folks say so much as how things compare to other tournaments. My understanding is that when it comes to MLG, Dreamhack, other tournaments that Koreans attend, they have to pay for everything themselves, so I'm not sure what the problem is. I think lag may have been a bigger concern for them, but who knows.

And yes - finally Day9 casting.

Hierarch

United States2197 Posts

December 03 2011 05:21 GMT

#7730

who won between morrow and mana and what's the score of Demu vs Tzain? Please and thank you.

TheSwamp

United States1497 Posts

December 03 2011 05:22 GMT

#7731

On December 03 2011 14:21 jubil wrote:
Ok I do hope that we don't get an "OOOOOHHHHHH" for every marine death -__-

I believe they are serving alcohol. The worst is yet to come.

RaiKageRyu

Canada4773 Posts

December 03 2011 05:22 GMT

#7732

To NASL:

I would rather have increased game sound than being able to hear the crowd.

hysterial

United States2044 Posts

December 03 2011 05:22 GMT

#7733

After waching MVP and MMAs tvt, this seems like such a low-level TvT.

Defacer

Canada5052 Posts

December 03 2011 05:23 GMT

#7734

On December 03 2011 14:14 poorcloud wrote:

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On December 03 2011 14:12 Anachronism wrote:

On December 03 2011 14:06 Defacer wrote:

On December 03 2011 14:02 Lazerlike42 wrote:

On December 03 2011 13:53 Defacer wrote:

On December 03 2011 13:51 Loxley wrote:

On December 03 2011 13:49 Pick wrote:
How does a tournament with a $100,000 prize pool and well known players and casters only attract a live crowd of 20 people?

=/

Yeah still wondering about that.. Tweet the world with a 'free entrance' action or something. They still got 25k viewers onstream, make it more enjoyable for the bigger audience?

It's like a Comedy Club. It's better to give away free tickets to play to an empty crowd. At least you'd be able to satisfy the sponsors, hopefully sell some concessions/merchandise, etc.

Yeah sad part is they really tried.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFYUQOs-NYQ&feature=channel_video_title

I still judge them harshly though because it's nobody's fault but theirs that they're failing... instead of taking all the criticism from Season 1 seriously they've just kept up the whole charade whilst InControl has kept telling us that everything is great and nothing is bad with the NASL.

They've had ample time to improve and make things right yet still we have really bad audio and production value.

Still great that they're bringing out so many casters but for only having 1 stream on it just seems like overkill... why not spend the money spent on flying in 11 casters on koreans instead?

Agreed. With the amount of games they have, they could even just get 2 casters to do every single match and it would not be as much of a load compared to say MLG. Then they can just use the money to actually fly in koreans.

Dosen't seem like an efficient use of money to me. But anyways, thorzain vs demuslim gogo!!

It really seems like they are trying to do way too much with way too little resources, with no real experience or management of their own risks.

It's like someone grabbed a handful of friends and decided they wanted to make a MLG or IPL Finals.

MLG and IPL grew their companies over many, many years, creating an infrastructure along the way. And even they understood you can't just slap together an event this large. Both MLG and IPL deliberately started with smaller SC2 events and built upon them gradually.

NASL is trying to sing before they can hum, basically.

Stanlot

United States5742 Posts

December 03 2011 05:23 GMT

#7735

On December 03 2011 14:15 Olinimm wrote:

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Morrow 3-0.

Holy cow, completely expected Mana to win @_@