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Same drill as usual:
  • No caster bashing.
  • Excessive tournament bashing that detracts from game discussion will be met with moderator action. Criticism is welcome, whining is not.
  • In general do your best to stay on topic and discuss what we're all here for: the games.
Enjoy the games guys.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
December 03 2011 05:20 GMT
#7721
On December 03 2011 14:19 Packawana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:18 andaylin wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:17 Usagi wrote:
Koreans wanted NASL to bend over and drop their pants. I'm actually ok with the fact NASL stood firm, we dont NEED them as bad as they seem to NEED us.

What the hell are you responding to.

But to respond, I would rather have them than not.


And sacrifice the majority of a budget that is already probably in tight straits as is?

For even higher level games, perhaps.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
December 03 2011 05:20 GMT
#7722
Thorzain is floating quite a bit of minerals but still has a substantial supply lead O.O
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
December 03 2011 05:21 GMT
#7723
On December 03 2011 14:19 Packawana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:18 andaylin wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:17 Usagi wrote:
Koreans wanted NASL to bend over and drop their pants. I'm actually ok with the fact NASL stood firm, we dont NEED them as bad as they seem to NEED us.

What the hell are you responding to.

But to respond, I would rather have them than not.


And sacrifice the majority of a budget that is already probably in tight straits as is?


Good thing that budget bought such a big venue and so many chairs...
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
December 03 2011 05:21 GMT
#7724
Dat 1 guy.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Anachronism
Profile Joined December 2011
109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 05:22:10
December 03 2011 05:21 GMT
#7725
Aww Thorzain is so good at times but he never trusts himself, runs away with the marines when he could've killed that whole army :o
On December 03 2011 14:17 Usagi wrote:
Koreans wanted NASL to bend over and drop their pants. I'm actually ok with the fact NASL stood firm, we dont NEED them as bad as they seem to NEED us.

Yeah NASL is doing mighty fine isn't it...


On December 03 2011 14:21 mierin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:19 Packawana wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:18 andaylin wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:17 Usagi wrote:
Koreans wanted NASL to bend over and drop their pants. I'm actually ok with the fact NASL stood firm, we dont NEED them as bad as they seem to NEED us.

What the hell are you responding to.

But to respond, I would rather have them than not.


And sacrifice the majority of a budget that is already probably in tight straits as is?


Good thing that budget bought such a big venue and so many chairs...


Don't forget the 11 casters and 3 sound technicians.
Deus Vult
Lavi
Profile Joined November 2011
Bangladesh793 Posts
December 03 2011 05:21 GMT
#7726
On December 03 2011 14:17 godemperor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:14 JohnnyBanana wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:13 Lavi wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:10 Defacer wrote:
they have 25,000 viewers right now ... is that good?


Nope...
Nasl 1 had about 65k or so consistently then spiked to 120k during MC vs Puma...

This never happened. Also, this is only day 1 of NASL...IPL kinda sucked too Wed-Fri.

agreed nasl 1 was never that high, it was more like 40-50k normally and 80-90k at final, never over 100k iirc.


Yeah something like this, but I remember it spiking over 100k viewers in finals, however brief it may of been.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
December 03 2011 05:21 GMT
#7727
On December 03 2011 14:18 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:17 Usagi wrote:
Koreans wanted NASL to bend over and drop their pants. I'm actually ok with the fact NASL stood firm, we dont NEED them as bad as they seem to NEED us.

What the hell are you responding to.

But to respond, I would rather have them than not.


Everybody (well, almost) would rather the Koreans have participated. But at some point, you can't allow them to strong-arm you. After agreeing to play in season 2, they then essentially said 'fuck you nasl, pay us more or we don't play.' NASL was fine with increasing the initial payouts to the lower placed players to help pay for airfare etc.... and they still ended up not doing it.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
December 03 2011 05:21 GMT
#7728
Ok I do hope that we don't get an "OOOOOHHHHHH" for every marine death -__-
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
Lazerlike42
Profile Joined July 2011
United States104 Posts
December 03 2011 05:21 GMT
#7729
On December 03 2011 14:18 Anachronism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:13 Lazerlike42 wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:12 Anachronism wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:06 Defacer wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:02 Lazerlike42 wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:53 Defacer wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:51 Loxley wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:49 Pick wrote:
How does a tournament with a $100,000 prize pool and well known players and casters only attract a live crowd of 20 people?

=/


Yeah still wondering about that.. Tweet the world with a 'free entrance' action or something. They still got 25k viewers onstream, make it more enjoyable for the bigger audience?



It's like a Comedy Club. It's better to give away free tickets to play to an empty crowd. At least you'd be able to satisfy the sponsors, hopefully sell some concessions/merchandise, etc.



Honestly, I think the problem, with NASL as a whole may simply be a lack of business acumen. For example, PR 101 is that when you're trying to promote something you make sure that the venue/arrangements are too small/little for the crowd you expect. You do the same thing in politics: when you're on the campaign trail, every stop should be a little too small to actually support the event. That way you create the perception of being more popular than you are. Of course, this is just one item, and certainly I can't imagine the NASL folks expected anything like this small a turnout. That said, everybody knows they're trying to really "save" NASL and to demonstrate that it should exist. It seems like even once they knew this wasn't going well they just decided to carry on and hope for the best without attempting to do anything. I think my point is just that even in bad circumstances, there are things to be done which more seasoned business minded folks would keep in mind, and this may be a manifestation of a generally poor business sense which is mucking the whole operation up.


At the end of the day ... something about the whole tournament is 'off'. I really appreciate and respect what they are trying to contribute to the community, but everything points to poor management and weak leadership.


Yeah sad part is they really tried.


I still judge them harshly though because it's nobody's fault but theirs that they're failing... instead of taking all the criticism from Season 1 seriously they've just kept up the whole charade whilst InControl has kept telling us that everything is great and nothing is bad with the NASL.

They've had ample time to improve and make things right yet still we have really bad audio and production value.

Still great that they're bringing out so many casters but for only having 1 stream on it just seems like overkill... why not spend the money spent on flying in 11 casters on koreans instead?


Maybe they could spend the money on something else, but they offered the Koreans more than enough money. Giving into them may help NASL in the short term, but would be very bad for e-sports and thus NASL in the bigger, long term picture.

"more than enough" if you ask people who represent NASL... not like they're going to say anything else.

And obviously NASL is doing worse this Season than in the first season which is just not correct according to your statement... some people hate because they want to, I dislike them abit because I paid for a product and it was not delivered. But let's get back to the games.

<3 Husky and Day9 combo


Eh, ultimately it doesn't matter what NASL folks say so much as how things compare to other tournaments. My understanding is that when it comes to MLG, Dreamhack, other tournaments that Koreans attend, they have to pay for everything themselves, so I'm not sure what the problem is. I think lag may have been a bigger concern for them, but who knows.

And yes - finally Day9 casting.
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
December 03 2011 05:21 GMT
#7730
who won between morrow and mana and what's the score of Demu vs Tzain? Please and thank you.
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
December 03 2011 05:22 GMT
#7731
On December 03 2011 14:21 jubil wrote:
Ok I do hope that we don't get an "OOOOOHHHHHH" for every marine death -__-


I believe they are serving alcohol. The worst is yet to come.
MLG: How is your Protoss? Idra: I make Blink Stalkers, so really, really good.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
December 03 2011 05:22 GMT
#7732
To NASL:

I would rather have increased game sound than being able to hear the crowd.
Someone call down the Thunder?
hysterial
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2044 Posts
December 03 2011 05:22 GMT
#7733
After waching MVP and MMAs tvt, this seems like such a low-level TvT.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
December 03 2011 05:23 GMT
#7734
On December 03 2011 14:14 poorcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:12 Anachronism wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:06 Defacer wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:02 Lazerlike42 wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:53 Defacer wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:51 Loxley wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:49 Pick wrote:
How does a tournament with a $100,000 prize pool and well known players and casters only attract a live crowd of 20 people?

=/


Yeah still wondering about that.. Tweet the world with a 'free entrance' action or something. They still got 25k viewers onstream, make it more enjoyable for the bigger audience?



It's like a Comedy Club. It's better to give away free tickets to play to an empty crowd. At least you'd be able to satisfy the sponsors, hopefully sell some concessions/merchandise, etc.



Honestly, I think the problem, with NASL as a whole may simply be a lack of business acumen. For example, PR 101 is that when you're trying to promote something you make sure that the venue/arrangements are too small/little for the crowd you expect. You do the same thing in politics: when you're on the campaign trail, every stop should be a little too small to actually support the event. That way you create the perception of being more popular than you are. Of course, this is just one item, and certainly I can't imagine the NASL folks expected anything like this small a turnout. That said, everybody knows they're trying to really "save" NASL and to demonstrate that it should exist. It seems like even once they knew this wasn't going well they just decided to carry on and hope for the best without attempting to do anything. I think my point is just that even in bad circumstances, there are things to be done which more seasoned business minded folks would keep in mind, and this may be a manifestation of a generally poor business sense which is mucking the whole operation up.


At the end of the day ... something about the whole tournament is 'off'. I really appreciate and respect what they are trying to contribute to the community, but everything points to poor management and weak leadership.


Yeah sad part is they really tried.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFYUQOs-NYQ&feature=channel_video_title

I still judge them harshly though because it's nobody's fault but theirs that they're failing... instead of taking all the criticism from Season 1 seriously they've just kept up the whole charade whilst InControl has kept telling us that everything is great and nothing is bad with the NASL.

They've had ample time to improve and make things right yet still we have really bad audio and production value.

Still great that they're bringing out so many casters but for only having 1 stream on it just seems like overkill... why not spend the money spent on flying in 11 casters on koreans instead?


Agreed. With the amount of games they have, they could even just get 2 casters to do every single match and it would not be as much of a load compared to say MLG. Then they can just use the money to actually fly in koreans.

Dosen't seem like an efficient use of money to me. But anyways, thorzain vs demuslim gogo!!


It really seems like they are trying to do way too much with way too little resources, with no real experience or management of their own risks.

It's like someone grabbed a handful of friends and decided they wanted to make a MLG or IPL Finals.

MLG and IPL grew their companies over many, many years, creating an infrastructure along the way. And even they understood you can't just slap together an event this large. Both MLG and IPL deliberately started with smaller SC2 events and built upon them gradually.

NASL is trying to sing before they can hum, basically.
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
December 03 2011 05:23 GMT
#7735
On December 03 2011 14:15 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:14 Stanlot wrote:
who won mana v morrow?

Morrow 3-0.

Holy cow, completely expected Mana to win @_@
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
mtn
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
729 Posts
December 03 2011 05:23 GMT
#7736
On December 03 2011 14:21 Hierarch wrote:
who won between morrow and mana and what's the score of Demu vs Tzain? Please and thank you.


MorroW 3 - 0
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
December 03 2011 05:23 GMT
#7737
On December 03 2011 14:22 hysterial wrote:
After waching MVP and MMAs tvt, this seems like such a low-level TvT.


... Have to agree. In any case, wp thorzain.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
MenSol[ZerO]
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1134 Posts
December 03 2011 05:23 GMT
#7738
thorzain ripping apart demuslim wow

expecting a 3-1 win
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andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
December 03 2011 05:23 GMT
#7739
Demuslim getting outplayed.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Lavi
Profile Joined November 2011
Bangladesh793 Posts
December 03 2011 05:23 GMT
#7740
Day9: "Thorzain HUMPS..." ಠ_ಠ
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