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Same drill as usual:
  • No caster bashing.
  • Excessive tournament bashing that detracts from game discussion will be met with moderator action. Criticism is welcome, whining is not.
  • In general do your best to stay on topic and discuss what we're all here for: the games.
Enjoy the games guys.
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
December 03 2011 05:17 GMT
#7701
On December 03 2011 14:16 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:02 Usagi wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:00 myk3 wrote:
Noooo europeans, dont leave me alone!
Pull an all nighter and we can watch GSL finals together too!!!


I´m with you! Or maybe I will fall asleep at some point, no way of telling right now. Each game brings new motivation to stay up though.

I have been fueling myself with Monster, and some coffee in betwheen cans, I either watch it all or die before it finishes!

I went to bed early and woke up at 4am to be able to see the nasl end and especially the GSL final. I'm here !
Go Tarzan, Torazine, Zortain, and Torjin !


Welcome, oh ye ubiquitous participant of LR threads
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
December 03 2011 05:17 GMT
#7702
On December 03 2011 14:14 JohnnyBanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:13 Lavi wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:10 Defacer wrote:
they have 25,000 viewers right now ... is that good?


Nope...
Nasl 1 had about 65k or so consistently then spiked to 120k during MC vs Puma...

This never happened. Also, this is only day 1 of NASL...IPL kinda sucked too Wed-Fri.

agreed nasl 1 was never that high, it was more like 40-50k normally and 80-90k at final, never over 100k iirc.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
December 03 2011 05:17 GMT
#7703
On December 03 2011 14:17 nkulu wrote:
over/under on how many people idra actually high fives? 1?? 0??


Maybe he'll deny a few...
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
December 03 2011 05:17 GMT
#7704
Posture Posture, ThorZaiN.

magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
December 03 2011 05:17 GMT
#7705
On December 03 2011 14:14 JohnnyBanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:13 Lavi wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:10 Defacer wrote:
they have 25,000 viewers right now ... is that good?


Nope...
Nasl 1 had about 65k or so consistently then spiked to 120k during MC vs Puma...

This never happened. Also, this is only day 1 of NASL...IPL kinda sucked too Wed-Fri.


Yes Wednesday and Thursday weren't great turnouts for IPL, the middle of the week, in a 21+ only venue. Fri/Sat/Sun were very good. There is no good excuse for this, the reason nobody has attended is because of the lackluster product
Rikke
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany302 Posts
December 03 2011 05:18 GMT
#7706
NASL just did it completly wrong! They shouldn't have started with a HUGE Tourney with 50k #1st prize money all the top-koreans when they had absolutly no experience with running a "Starleague".
If they had started like IPL with a US Only (maybe online only) League to test all the production/casting/tech etc they would have had much more success.
Some people made the wrong decicions and thats it
Anachronism
Profile Joined December 2011
109 Posts
December 03 2011 05:18 GMT
#7707
On December 03 2011 14:13 Lazerlike42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:12 Anachronism wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:06 Defacer wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:02 Lazerlike42 wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:53 Defacer wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:51 Loxley wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:49 Pick wrote:
How does a tournament with a $100,000 prize pool and well known players and casters only attract a live crowd of 20 people?

=/


Yeah still wondering about that.. Tweet the world with a 'free entrance' action or something. They still got 25k viewers onstream, make it more enjoyable for the bigger audience?



It's like a Comedy Club. It's better to give away free tickets to play to an empty crowd. At least you'd be able to satisfy the sponsors, hopefully sell some concessions/merchandise, etc.



Honestly, I think the problem, with NASL as a whole may simply be a lack of business acumen. For example, PR 101 is that when you're trying to promote something you make sure that the venue/arrangements are too small/little for the crowd you expect. You do the same thing in politics: when you're on the campaign trail, every stop should be a little too small to actually support the event. That way you create the perception of being more popular than you are. Of course, this is just one item, and certainly I can't imagine the NASL folks expected anything like this small a turnout. That said, everybody knows they're trying to really "save" NASL and to demonstrate that it should exist. It seems like even once they knew this wasn't going well they just decided to carry on and hope for the best without attempting to do anything. I think my point is just that even in bad circumstances, there are things to be done which more seasoned business minded folks would keep in mind, and this may be a manifestation of a generally poor business sense which is mucking the whole operation up.


At the end of the day ... something about the whole tournament is 'off'. I really appreciate and respect what they are trying to contribute to the community, but everything points to poor management and weak leadership.


Yeah sad part is they really tried.


I still judge them harshly though because it's nobody's fault but theirs that they're failing... instead of taking all the criticism from Season 1 seriously they've just kept up the whole charade whilst InControl has kept telling us that everything is great and nothing is bad with the NASL.

They've had ample time to improve and make things right yet still we have really bad audio and production value.

Still great that they're bringing out so many casters but for only having 1 stream on it just seems like overkill... why not spend the money spent on flying in 11 casters on koreans instead?


Maybe they could spend the money on something else, but they offered the Koreans more than enough money. Giving into them may help NASL in the short term, but would be very bad for e-sports and thus NASL in the bigger, long term picture.

"more than enough" if you ask people who represent NASL... not like they're going to say anything else.

And obviously NASL is doing worse this Season than in the first season which is just not correct according to your statement... some people hate because they want to, I dislike them abit because I paid for a product and it was not delivered. But let's get back to the games.

<3 Husky and Day9 combo
Deus Vult
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
December 03 2011 05:18 GMT
#7708
On December 03 2011 14:17 nkulu wrote:
over/under on how many people idra actually high fives? 1?? 0??

I'd say 2, one of them being someone actually grabbing his hand.
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
December 03 2011 05:18 GMT
#7709
On December 03 2011 14:15 TheSwamp wrote:
I'm still waiting for someone other than Dimaga to own the cat walk a la Firebathero.


idrA will walk out to this song:



And he will make it fucking WORK!
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
December 03 2011 05:18 GMT
#7710
On December 03 2011 14:17 Usagi wrote:
Koreans wanted NASL to bend over and drop their pants. I'm actually ok with the fact NASL stood firm, we dont NEED them as bad as they seem to NEED us.


I kind of need me some Leenock. He's technically ours isn't he?
Never make a hydralisk.
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
December 03 2011 05:18 GMT
#7711
On December 03 2011 14:17 Usagi wrote:
Koreans wanted NASL to bend over and drop their pants. I'm actually ok with the fact NASL stood firm, we dont NEED them as bad as they seem to NEED us.


I'm not enlightened on this but how did the other tourneys manage to have a good working relationship with koreans but NASL is unable to achieve that?
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
December 03 2011 05:18 GMT
#7712
On December 03 2011 14:17 nkulu wrote:
over/under on how many people idra actually high fives? 1?? 0??


I'm excited to see his awkward gate amplified by the entrance.
MLG: How is your Protoss? Idra: I make Blink Stalkers, so really, really good.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
December 03 2011 05:18 GMT
#7713
On December 03 2011 14:17 Usagi wrote:
Koreans wanted NASL to bend over and drop their pants. I'm actually ok with the fact NASL stood firm, we dont NEED them as bad as they seem to NEED us.

What the hell are you responding to.

But to respond, I would rather have them than not.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
December 03 2011 05:19 GMT
#7714
omg super safe lol

that is ridiculous

he did no damage
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 03 2011 05:19 GMT
#7715
Ultra deep supply block for Demuslim. 94/94 for a very long time, no depot started yet.
Packawana
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1081 Posts
December 03 2011 05:19 GMT
#7716
On December 03 2011 14:18 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:17 Usagi wrote:
Koreans wanted NASL to bend over and drop their pants. I'm actually ok with the fact NASL stood firm, we dont NEED them as bad as they seem to NEED us.

What the hell are you responding to.

But to respond, I would rather have them than not.


And sacrifice the majority of a budget that is already probably in tight straits as is?
"May all your dreaming fill the empty sky."
Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 05:21:05
December 03 2011 05:20 GMT
#7717
On December 03 2011 14:18 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:17 Usagi wrote:
Koreans wanted NASL to bend over and drop their pants. I'm actually ok with the fact NASL stood firm, we dont NEED them as bad as they seem to NEED us.

What the hell are you responding to.

But to respond, I would rather have them than not.


Honestly it would be messed up sending in just Korean players when everyone else has to fly in with their own money/the teams money. They do need to make some profits, you know that is how businesses stay alive.
NaldoR
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore2198 Posts
December 03 2011 05:20 GMT
#7718
i tried to watch... but i do not feel so into it. To me the most eciting is GSL>MLG>DH>IPL>IEM and NASL... i don't know why... The 1st NASL i thought was fairly boring till alive darkforce which was great. I think NASL needs a breaout game. hope a huge match like Hero vs sen or puma vs idra (which are likely to occur) will bring up the atmosphere
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
December 03 2011 05:20 GMT
#7719
i like thorzain better but i think its about time Demu did well in something
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
December 03 2011 05:20 GMT
#7720
positional imbalance really hurting DeMuslim
Caster duos should compliment each others' strengths. "You look very handsome today, Tasteless."
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