Noooo europeans, dont leave me alone! Pull an all nighter and we can watch GSL finals together too!!!
I´m with you! Or maybe I will fall asleep at some point, no way of telling right now. Each game brings new motivation to stay up though.
I have been fueling myself with Monster, and some coffee in betwheen cans, I either watch it all or die before it finishes!
I went to bed early and woke up at 4am to be able to see the nasl end and especially the GSL final. I'm here ! Go Tarzan, Torazine, Zortain, and Torjin !
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On December 03 2011 14:10 Defacer wrote: they have 25,000 viewers right now ... is that good?
Nope... Nasl 1 had about 65k or so consistently then spiked to 120k during MC vs Puma...
This never happened. Also, this is only day 1 of NASL...IPL kinda sucked too Wed-Fri.
Yes Wednesday and Thursday weren't great turnouts for IPL, the middle of the week, in a 21+ only venue. Fri/Sat/Sun were very good. There is no good excuse for this, the reason nobody has attended is because of the lackluster product
NASL just did it completly wrong! They shouldn't have started with a HUGE Tourney with 50k #1st prize money all the top-koreans when they had absolutly no experience with running a "Starleague". If they had started like IPL with a US Only (maybe online only) League to test all the production/casting/tech etc they would have had much more success. Some people made the wrong decicions and thats it
On December 03 2011 13:49 Pick wrote: How does a tournament with a $100,000 prize pool and well known players and casters only attract a live crowd of 20 people?
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Yeah still wondering about that.. Tweet the world with a 'free entrance' action or something. They still got 25k viewers onstream, make it more enjoyable for the bigger audience?
It's like a Comedy Club. It's better to give away free tickets to play to an empty crowd. At least you'd be able to satisfy the sponsors, hopefully sell some concessions/merchandise, etc.
Honestly, I think the problem, with NASL as a whole may simply be a lack of business acumen. For example, PR 101 is that when you're trying to promote something you make sure that the venue/arrangements are too small/little for the crowd you expect. You do the same thing in politics: when you're on the campaign trail, every stop should be a little too small to actually support the event. That way you create the perception of being more popular than you are. Of course, this is just one item, and certainly I can't imagine the NASL folks expected anything like this small a turnout. That said, everybody knows they're trying to really "save" NASL and to demonstrate that it should exist. It seems like even once they knew this wasn't going well they just decided to carry on and hope for the best without attempting to do anything. I think my point is just that even in bad circumstances, there are things to be done which more seasoned business minded folks would keep in mind, and this may be a manifestation of a generally poor business sense which is mucking the whole operation up.
At the end of the day ... something about the whole tournament is 'off'. I really appreciate and respect what they are trying to contribute to the community, but everything points to poor management and weak leadership.
Yeah sad part is they really tried.
I still judge them harshly though because it's nobody's fault but theirs that they're failing... instead of taking all the criticism from Season 1 seriously they've just kept up the whole charade whilst InControl has kept telling us that everything is great and nothing is bad with the NASL.
They've had ample time to improve and make things right yet still we have really bad audio and production value.
Still great that they're bringing out so many casters but for only having 1 stream on it just seems like overkill... why not spend the money spent on flying in 11 casters on koreans instead?
Maybe they could spend the money on something else, but they offered the Koreans more than enough money. Giving into them may help NASL in the short term, but would be very bad for e-sports and thus NASL in the bigger, long term picture.
"more than enough" if you ask people who represent NASL... not like they're going to say anything else.
And obviously NASL is doing worse this Season than in the first season which is just not correct according to your statement... some people hate because they want to, I dislike them abit because I paid for a product and it was not delivered. But let's get back to the games.
On December 03 2011 14:17 Usagi wrote: Koreans wanted NASL to bend over and drop their pants. I'm actually ok with the fact NASL stood firm, we dont NEED them as bad as they seem to NEED us.
I kind of need me some Leenock. He's technically ours isn't he?
On December 03 2011 14:17 Usagi wrote: Koreans wanted NASL to bend over and drop their pants. I'm actually ok with the fact NASL stood firm, we dont NEED them as bad as they seem to NEED us.
I'm not enlightened on this but how did the other tourneys manage to have a good working relationship with koreans but NASL is unable to achieve that?
On December 03 2011 14:17 Usagi wrote: Koreans wanted NASL to bend over and drop their pants. I'm actually ok with the fact NASL stood firm, we dont NEED them as bad as they seem to NEED us.
What the hell are you responding to.
But to respond, I would rather have them than not.
On December 03 2011 14:17 Usagi wrote: Koreans wanted NASL to bend over and drop their pants. I'm actually ok with the fact NASL stood firm, we dont NEED them as bad as they seem to NEED us.
What the hell are you responding to.
But to respond, I would rather have them than not.
And sacrifice the majority of a budget that is already probably in tight straits as is?
On December 03 2011 14:17 Usagi wrote: Koreans wanted NASL to bend over and drop their pants. I'm actually ok with the fact NASL stood firm, we dont NEED them as bad as they seem to NEED us.
What the hell are you responding to.
But to respond, I would rather have them than not.
Honestly it would be messed up sending in just Korean players when everyone else has to fly in with their own money/the teams money. They do need to make some profits, you know that is how businesses stay alive.
i tried to watch... but i do not feel so into it. To me the most eciting is GSL>MLG>DH>IPL>IEM and NASL... i don't know why... The 1st NASL i thought was fairly boring till alive darkforce which was great. I think NASL needs a breaout game. hope a huge match like Hero vs sen or puma vs idra (which are likely to occur) will bring up the atmosphere