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Enjoy the games guys.
Special Tektics
Profile Joined November 2011
Ukraine84 Posts
December 03 2011 05:13 GMT
#7681
Throrzain gonna win!
"So sentries have no more energy... can be used to block your zealots"
Lazerlike42
Profile Joined July 2011
United States104 Posts
December 03 2011 05:13 GMT
#7682
On December 03 2011 14:12 Anachronism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:06 Defacer wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:02 Lazerlike42 wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:53 Defacer wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:51 Loxley wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:49 Pick wrote:
How does a tournament with a $100,000 prize pool and well known players and casters only attract a live crowd of 20 people?

=/


Yeah still wondering about that.. Tweet the world with a 'free entrance' action or something. They still got 25k viewers onstream, make it more enjoyable for the bigger audience?



It's like a Comedy Club. It's better to give away free tickets to play to an empty crowd. At least you'd be able to satisfy the sponsors, hopefully sell some concessions/merchandise, etc.



Honestly, I think the problem, with NASL as a whole may simply be a lack of business acumen. For example, PR 101 is that when you're trying to promote something you make sure that the venue/arrangements are too small/little for the crowd you expect. You do the same thing in politics: when you're on the campaign trail, every stop should be a little too small to actually support the event. That way you create the perception of being more popular than you are. Of course, this is just one item, and certainly I can't imagine the NASL folks expected anything like this small a turnout. That said, everybody knows they're trying to really "save" NASL and to demonstrate that it should exist. It seems like even once they knew this wasn't going well they just decided to carry on and hope for the best without attempting to do anything. I think my point is just that even in bad circumstances, there are things to be done which more seasoned business minded folks would keep in mind, and this may be a manifestation of a generally poor business sense which is mucking the whole operation up.


At the end of the day ... something about the whole tournament is 'off'. I really appreciate and respect what they are trying to contribute to the community, but everything points to poor management and weak leadership.


Yeah sad part is they really tried.


I still judge them harshly though because it's nobody's fault but theirs that they're failing... instead of taking all the criticism from Season 1 seriously they've just kept up the whole charade whilst InControl has kept telling us that everything is great and nothing is bad with the NASL.

They've had ample time to improve and make things right yet still we have really bad audio and production value.

Still great that they're bringing out so many casters but for only having 1 stream on it just seems like overkill... why not spend the money spent on flying in 11 casters on koreans instead?


Maybe they could spend the money on something else, but they offered the Koreans more than enough money. Giving into them may help NASL in the short term, but would be very bad for e-sports and thus NASL in the bigger, long term picture.
sickoota
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada918 Posts
December 03 2011 05:13 GMT
#7683
Incoming thorzain BO win to punish demu for streaming! if not this map then some other
I could spend a while with that smile
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
December 03 2011 05:13 GMT
#7684
On December 03 2011 14:13 Lavi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:10 Defacer wrote:
they have 25,000 viewers right now ... is that good?


Nope...
Nasl 1 had about 65k or so consistently then spiked to 120k during MC vs Puma...

I don't recall that lol
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Rikke
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany302 Posts
December 03 2011 05:13 GMT
#7685
On December 03 2011 14:13 Lavi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:10 Defacer wrote:
they have 25,000 viewers right now ... is that good?


Nope...
Nasl 1 had about 65k or so consistently then spiked to 120k during MC vs Puma...


No, you're just wrong or should buy new glasses.

poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
December 03 2011 05:14 GMT
#7686
On December 03 2011 14:12 Anachronism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:06 Defacer wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:02 Lazerlike42 wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:53 Defacer wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:51 Loxley wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:49 Pick wrote:
How does a tournament with a $100,000 prize pool and well known players and casters only attract a live crowd of 20 people?

=/


Yeah still wondering about that.. Tweet the world with a 'free entrance' action or something. They still got 25k viewers onstream, make it more enjoyable for the bigger audience?



It's like a Comedy Club. It's better to give away free tickets to play to an empty crowd. At least you'd be able to satisfy the sponsors, hopefully sell some concessions/merchandise, etc.



Honestly, I think the problem, with NASL as a whole may simply be a lack of business acumen. For example, PR 101 is that when you're trying to promote something you make sure that the venue/arrangements are too small/little for the crowd you expect. You do the same thing in politics: when you're on the campaign trail, every stop should be a little too small to actually support the event. That way you create the perception of being more popular than you are. Of course, this is just one item, and certainly I can't imagine the NASL folks expected anything like this small a turnout. That said, everybody knows they're trying to really "save" NASL and to demonstrate that it should exist. It seems like even once they knew this wasn't going well they just decided to carry on and hope for the best without attempting to do anything. I think my point is just that even in bad circumstances, there are things to be done which more seasoned business minded folks would keep in mind, and this may be a manifestation of a generally poor business sense which is mucking the whole operation up.


At the end of the day ... something about the whole tournament is 'off'. I really appreciate and respect what they are trying to contribute to the community, but everything points to poor management and weak leadership.


Yeah sad part is they really tried.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFYUQOs-NYQ&feature=channel_video_title

I still judge them harshly though because it's nobody's fault but theirs that they're failing... instead of taking all the criticism from Season 1 seriously they've just kept up the whole charade whilst InControl has kept telling us that everything is great and nothing is bad with the NASL.

They've had ample time to improve and make things right yet still we have really bad audio and production value.

Still great that they're bringing out so many casters but for only having 1 stream on it just seems like overkill... why not spend the money spent on flying in 11 casters on koreans instead?


Agreed. With the amount of games they have, they could even just get 2 casters to do every single match and it would not be as much of a load compared to say MLG. Then they can just use the money to actually fly in koreans.

Dosen't seem like an efficient use of money to me. But anyways, thorzain vs demuslim gogo!!
JohnnyBanana
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada493 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 05:14:48
December 03 2011 05:14 GMT
#7687
On December 03 2011 14:13 Lavi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:10 Defacer wrote:
they have 25,000 viewers right now ... is that good?


Nope...
Nasl 1 had about 65k or so consistently then spiked to 120k during MC vs Puma...

This never happened. Also, this is only day 1 of NASL...IPL kinda sucked too Wed-Fri.
unsoldado
Profile Joined July 2011
2 Posts
December 03 2011 05:14 GMT
#7688
Say What you Want about NASL but there has been some GG's. man seeing the Empty crowd makes me a sad Panda =( I truly truly hope tom there are more people.
stealing ladder points
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
December 03 2011 05:14 GMT
#7689
who won mana v morrow?
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
Gojira621
Profile Joined October 2010
United States374 Posts
December 03 2011 05:15 GMT
#7690
i love the uniqueness of NASL's finals. red carpet for the players, intro music ahaha, booths with opponents facing each other, nice nice. I wish the crowd was larger, but maybe tomorrow and sunday will have a stronger turnout. Regardless, ever since about halfway through season 1, teamliquid posters and people in general are just hellbent on hating NASL no matter what they do. They're basically that kid in school who tries so hard to be cool but no one likes them anyway without any reason. It sucks for them as they obviously work very hard and people just expect perfection and anything less is unacceptable. Seriously, I've never seen any SC2 league scrutinized as much as NASL is with literally everything they do. I guess it's just cool to hate people who want to create another cool starcraft league for people to watch and enjoy
www.twitch.tv/Gojira621
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 05:16:00
December 03 2011 05:15 GMT
#7691
On December 03 2011 14:12 Anachronism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:06 Defacer wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:02 Lazerlike42 wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:53 Defacer wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:51 Loxley wrote:
On December 03 2011 13:49 Pick wrote:
How does a tournament with a $100,000 prize pool and well known players and casters only attract a live crowd of 20 people?

=/


Yeah still wondering about that.. Tweet the world with a 'free entrance' action or something. They still got 25k viewers onstream, make it more enjoyable for the bigger audience?



It's like a Comedy Club. It's better to give away free tickets to play to an empty crowd. At least you'd be able to satisfy the sponsors, hopefully sell some concessions/merchandise, etc.



Honestly, I think the problem, with NASL as a whole may simply be a lack of business acumen. For example, PR 101 is that when you're trying to promote something you make sure that the venue/arrangements are too small/little for the crowd you expect. You do the same thing in politics: when you're on the campaign trail, every stop should be a little too small to actually support the event. That way you create the perception of being more popular than you are. Of course, this is just one item, and certainly I can't imagine the NASL folks expected anything like this small a turnout. That said, everybody knows they're trying to really "save" NASL and to demonstrate that it should exist. It seems like even once they knew this wasn't going well they just decided to carry on and hope for the best without attempting to do anything. I think my point is just that even in bad circumstances, there are things to be done which more seasoned business minded folks would keep in mind, and this may be a manifestation of a generally poor business sense which is mucking the whole operation up.


At the end of the day ... something about the whole tournament is 'off'. I really appreciate and respect what they are trying to contribute to the community, but everything points to poor management and weak leadership.


Yeah sad part is they really tried.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFYUQOs-NYQ&feature=channel_video_title

I still judge them harshly though because it's nobody's fault but theirs that they're failing... instead of taking all the criticism from Season 1 seriously they've just kept up the whole charade whilst InControl has kept telling us that everything is great and nothing is bad with the NASL.

They've had ample time to improve and make things right yet still we have really bad audio and production value.

Still great that they're bringing out so many casters but for only having 1 stream on it just seems like overkill... why not spend the money spent on flying in 11 casters on koreans instead?


People had criticisms of season 1, but it was still a success. Their viewership #'s were high at the start, but eventually stayed steady for the remaining weeks. The live event had a lot of hiccups, but still had a lot of spectators and viewers who tuned in. Their problem was that, once the season took off, it was already on a huge downswing. They couldn't just turn it around 1/2 into the season, so they had to just keep on the path laid out for them

That being said, if they don't actually change for season 3, then they'll deserve what they get.

edit: Koreans not coming is their own fault. NASL was more than fair in their offer to them.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 03 2011 05:15 GMT
#7692
On December 03 2011 14:14 Stanlot wrote:
who won mana v morrow?

Morrow 3-0.
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 05:15:59
December 03 2011 05:15 GMT
#7693
Ninjas suck!1! Well, go demuzain!
Never make a hydralisk.
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
December 03 2011 05:15 GMT
#7694
I'm still waiting for someone other than Dimaga to own the cat walk a la Firebathero.
MLG: How is your Protoss? Idra: I make Blink Stalkers, so really, really good.
Packawana
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1081 Posts
December 03 2011 05:16 GMT
#7695
Because flying out Koreans plus expenses is probably a lot more costly than bringing in casters, many of which are in-country, and paying for their expenses.
"May all your dreaming fill the empty sky."
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
December 03 2011 05:16 GMT
#7696
On December 03 2011 14:15 TheSwamp wrote:
I'm still waiting for someone other than Dimaga to own the cat walk a la Firebathero.

Strelok HWAITING
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 03 2011 05:16 GMT
#7697
On December 03 2011 14:02 Usagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:00 myk3 wrote:
Noooo europeans, dont leave me alone!
Pull an all nighter and we can watch GSL finals together too!!!


I´m with you! Or maybe I will fall asleep at some point, no way of telling right now. Each game brings new motivation to stay up though.

I have been fueling myself with Monster, and some coffee in betwheen cans, I either watch it all or die before it finishes!

I went to bed early and woke up at 4am to be able to see the nasl end and especially the GSL final. I'm here !
Go Tarzan, Torazine, Zortain, and Torjin !
Lavi
Profile Joined November 2011
Bangladesh793 Posts
December 03 2011 05:16 GMT
#7698
On December 03 2011 14:14 JohnnyBanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 14:13 Lavi wrote:
On December 03 2011 14:10 Defacer wrote:
they have 25,000 viewers right now ... is that good?


Nope...
Nasl 1 had about 65k or so consistently then spiked to 120k during MC vs Puma...

This never happened. Also, this is only day 1 of NASL...IPL kinda sucked too Wed-Fri.


Then what was the viewer ratings for season 1 finals? I remember it being much higher than 25k...
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
December 03 2011 05:17 GMT
#7699
Koreans wanted NASL to bend over and drop their pants. I'm actually ok with the fact NASL stood firm, we dont NEED them as bad as they seem to NEED us.
nkulu
Profile Joined September 2010
United States242 Posts
December 03 2011 05:17 GMT
#7700
over/under on how many people idra actually high fives? 1?? 0??
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