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howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
November 27 2011 00:39 GMT
#12421
On November 27 2011 09:34 taLbuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 09:32 SCST wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:30 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:28 mango_destroyer wrote:
atleast the dreamhack crowd knows how to stay in the venue after the win to show support.

So true, it's so bad to watch the crowd from MLGs to immediately get up and leave before the award is given. At least people in Dreamhack show some respect for the players.


This didn't happen at all the MLG's... remember Anaheim and Columbus were amazing. It's just the venue they chose at Providence, the population there didn't seem as into the game. It's not something MLG can control if the crowd wants to leave... but next time, MLG may smarten up and hold their events in SoCal from now on. Why risk poor crowds traveling around when you can have an awesome crowd every time in Anaheim?


People are trying to compare apples to oranges and forget the MLG is a traveling thing and always deals with a different venue, a way different type of tournament, and a way different business model.

How is that relevant to whether the crowd stays 5 more minutes to watch the award being given?
sodapop
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden189 Posts
November 27 2011 00:39 GMT
#12422
I hope everyone saw how well the "E-sports sofa" worked and someone (like the big tournaments) start having a more studio like atmosphere with separate commentators and "show hosts".
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
November 27 2011 00:39 GMT
#12423
the on the floor reporter for the swedish TV pulled a john out of nowhere and started thanking his wife and reading poems
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37034 Posts
November 27 2011 00:39 GMT
#12424
On November 27 2011 09:36 MrCash wrote:
Fantastic tournament.
One of the best of the year.
Would have been wonderful to have a few more top tier Koreans there, but despite their few numbers they still showcase their superior game play.
4 Koreans in finals bracket, 0 lose to foreigners.


What? Who are these 4 Koreans? HerO, DRG, PuMa. Isn't that only 3? Also, Select wasn't in the finals bracket right?
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 27 2011 00:39 GMT
#12425
On November 27 2011 09:29 ceaRshaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 09:28 SCST wrote:
I don't think Hero will betray us like He Who Shall Not Be Named and go to EG. . . but if it happens, there will be a nerd-rage beyond anything the universe has ever seen lol


We have to wait for a counter on the EG site and we know it.


If anyone does take HerO it will be Korean-based team that is affiliated with another one.

EG won't lay one hand on HerO.
Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
November 27 2011 00:39 GMT
#12426
I swear nobody in this thread has ever traveled anywhere in their life.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
November 27 2011 00:40 GMT
#12427
On November 27 2011 09:39 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 09:34 taLbuk wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:32 SCST wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:30 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:28 mango_destroyer wrote:
atleast the dreamhack crowd knows how to stay in the venue after the win to show support.

So true, it's so bad to watch the crowd from MLGs to immediately get up and leave before the award is given. At least people in Dreamhack show some respect for the players.


This didn't happen at all the MLG's... remember Anaheim and Columbus were amazing. It's just the venue they chose at Providence, the population there didn't seem as into the game. It's not something MLG can control if the crowd wants to leave... but next time, MLG may smarten up and hold their events in SoCal from now on. Why risk poor crowds traveling around when you can have an awesome crowd every time in Anaheim?


People are trying to compare apples to oranges and forget the MLG is a traveling thing and always deals with a different venue, a way different type of tournament, and a way different business model.

How is that relevant to whether the crowd stays 5 more minutes to watch the award being given?


People are exaggerating and pretend they are all batman and need to leave ASAP and can't stay 5 more minutes to show respect for the players.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
November 27 2011 00:40 GMT
#12428
On November 27 2011 09:39 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 09:36 MrCash wrote:
Fantastic tournament.
One of the best of the year.
Would have been wonderful to have a few more top tier Koreans there, but despite their few numbers they still showcase their superior game play.
4 Koreans in finals bracket, 0 lose to foreigners.


What? Who are these 4 Koreans? HerO, DRG, PuMa. Isn't that only 3? Also, Select wasn't in the finals bracket right?


Genius
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
November 27 2011 00:40 GMT
#12429
On November 27 2011 09:32 Highways wrote:
Just noticed something.

The last major tournament that a foreign Terran won was TSL3 by Thorzain...
There are still very few major events won by foreigners. Not sure if I'm missing someone, but basically that's to say that Huk, Stephano and Idra aren't Terran (and Naniwa, if we count the invitational at MLG). That's just a very small number of people.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Spaceneil8
Profile Joined February 2011
United States317 Posts
November 27 2011 00:40 GMT
#12430
On November 27 2011 09:36 SCST wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 09:34 taLbuk wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:32 SCST wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:30 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:28 mango_destroyer wrote:
atleast the dreamhack crowd knows how to stay in the venue after the win to show support.

So true, it's so bad to watch the crowd from MLGs to immediately get up and leave before the award is given. At least people in Dreamhack show some respect for the players.


This didn't happen at all the MLG's... remember Anaheim and Columbus were amazing. It's just the venue they chose at Providence, the population there didn't seem as into the game. It's not something MLG can control if the crowd wants to leave... but next time, MLG may smarten up and hold their events in SoCal from now on. Why risk poor crowds traveling around when you can have an awesome crowd every time in Anaheim?


People are trying to compare apples to oranges and forget the MLG is a traveling thing and always deals with a different venue, a way different type of tournament, and a way different business model.


Agreed. However, I do want to emphasize that I feel MLG should be stationary in SoCal. I'm not being biased here as I don't live in Socal. But the crowd in Anaheim/LA is just unmatched in SC2 and they always pack the venues. I don't understand the point of the traveling thing, it doesn't do much for the business IMO.

Traveling allows all players to be able to make it out to at least one MLG if they live in the US generally. Gives everyone a shot. Also, MLG usually stays on the east coast because more CoD and Halo teams live on the east coast.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 27 2011 00:41 GMT
#12431
MOAR: http://www.twitvid.com/IXSFN
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10361 Posts
November 27 2011 00:41 GMT
#12432
eff, EG better not buy hero now too haha

gg

sort of sucks hero had to beat ret, or rather, ret couldn't get into the finals cus of hero but perhaps he would have lost anyways
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
LeoLeo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden456 Posts
November 27 2011 00:41 GMT
#12433
On November 27 2011 09:39 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 09:36 MrCash wrote:
Fantastic tournament.
One of the best of the year.
Would have been wonderful to have a few more top tier Koreans there, but despite their few numbers they still showcase their superior game play.
4 Koreans in finals bracket, 0 lose to foreigners.


What? Who are these 4 Koreans? HerO, DRG, PuMa. Isn't that only 3? Also, Select wasn't in the finals bracket right?


Genius was there, he is a cool guy.
Bacon, Orangina and chilling
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 27 2011 00:41 GMT
#12434
On November 27 2011 09:39 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 09:34 taLbuk wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:32 SCST wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:30 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:28 mango_destroyer wrote:
atleast the dreamhack crowd knows how to stay in the venue after the win to show support.

So true, it's so bad to watch the crowd from MLGs to immediately get up and leave before the award is given. At least people in Dreamhack show some respect for the players.


This didn't happen at all the MLG's... remember Anaheim and Columbus were amazing. It's just the venue they chose at Providence, the population there didn't seem as into the game. It's not something MLG can control if the crowd wants to leave... but next time, MLG may smarten up and hold their events in SoCal from now on. Why risk poor crowds traveling around when you can have an awesome crowd every time in Anaheim?


People are trying to compare apples to oranges and forget the MLG is a traveling thing and always deals with a different venue, a way different type of tournament, and a way different business model.

How is that relevant to whether the crowd stays 5 more minutes to watch the award being given?


75 percent of the crowd was standing throughout all of MLG.

Of course they are going to leave when it is done. Car is the only place to sit FFS.
twitch.tv/medrea
R!!
Profile Joined November 2011
Brazil938 Posts
November 27 2011 00:42 GMT
#12435
On November 27 2011 09:30 mtn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 09:20 R!! wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:16 windsupernova wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:15 StarStruck wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:13 skrotcyk wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:12 Erasme wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:07 Talack wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Puma can't compete with Hero in a macro game.

The better player wins


*race

you mean, by abusing timings and all in ?
Bravo Hero ! Manner nexus is the way to win ! Also great sniping with the stalkers :D


HerO is also extremly abusive, so stop it.


elaborate.

I want to hear this because I already debunked the 3gate all in and the 4gate play.

please proceed Mr. know-it-all.

The facts are all in the VODS and replays.


You didn't get the memo? This is a LR thread

Player wins early game, it was cheese.
Player wins mid game, it was an X or Y all in.
Player wins lategame, it was imba and abusive.

Jeez

That 2 forge play was kind of abusive, though at one point puma had 118 supply and hero 98 because of it so it obviously has its weaknesses, if only puma had scanned early, if only he waited for 3-3 to finish before completely slaughtering hero in that engagement.
Anyways, despite having a terran heart I like Hero better so I guess it was a win/win situation for me.



How was it an abusive play?

So in your mind.

Upgrading is abusive and allinish.

Going for ghosts before medivacs isnt? shiet man get ur shit together.

Going for double forge as fast as he did is a massive corner cut, it's not allinish, I consider it more abusive then lets say, a hidden early 3rd, I am not saying it's not legitimate, I just don't like gambles and knowing that the opponent can straight up kill you if he spots it is a gamble, you seem to confuse abusive play with allins.
I like the part where sense is considered a common, settled thing.
wizzybel
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom18 Posts
November 27 2011 00:42 GMT
#12436
(20 minutes later, all i'm thinking is still BACON BACON BACON O_O)
Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
November 27 2011 00:42 GMT
#12437
On November 27 2011 09:41 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 09:39 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:34 taLbuk wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:32 SCST wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:30 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:28 mango_destroyer wrote:
atleast the dreamhack crowd knows how to stay in the venue after the win to show support.

So true, it's so bad to watch the crowd from MLGs to immediately get up and leave before the award is given. At least people in Dreamhack show some respect for the players.


This didn't happen at all the MLG's... remember Anaheim and Columbus were amazing. It's just the venue they chose at Providence, the population there didn't seem as into the game. It's not something MLG can control if the crowd wants to leave... but next time, MLG may smarten up and hold their events in SoCal from now on. Why risk poor crowds traveling around when you can have an awesome crowd every time in Anaheim?


People are trying to compare apples to oranges and forget the MLG is a traveling thing and always deals with a different venue, a way different type of tournament, and a way different business model.

How is that relevant to whether the crowd stays 5 more minutes to watch the award being given?


75 percent of the crowd was standing throughout all of MLG.

Of course they are going to leave when it is done. Car is the only place to sit FFS.


Yeah the seating situation at MLG was god awful. My legs were not pleased.
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
November 27 2011 00:42 GMT
#12438
On November 27 2011 09:41 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 09:39 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:34 taLbuk wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:32 SCST wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:30 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:28 mango_destroyer wrote:
atleast the dreamhack crowd knows how to stay in the venue after the win to show support.

So true, it's so bad to watch the crowd from MLGs to immediately get up and leave before the award is given. At least people in Dreamhack show some respect for the players.


This didn't happen at all the MLG's... remember Anaheim and Columbus were amazing. It's just the venue they chose at Providence, the population there didn't seem as into the game. It's not something MLG can control if the crowd wants to leave... but next time, MLG may smarten up and hold their events in SoCal from now on. Why risk poor crowds traveling around when you can have an awesome crowd every time in Anaheim?


People are trying to compare apples to oranges and forget the MLG is a traveling thing and always deals with a different venue, a way different type of tournament, and a way different business model.

How is that relevant to whether the crowd stays 5 more minutes to watch the award being given?


75 percent of the crowd was standing throughout all of MLG.

Of course they are going to leave when it is done. Car is the only place to sit FFS.

Yeah I guess 5 minutes is really a whole lot of additional time to be standing.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10361 Posts
November 27 2011 00:42 GMT
#12439
On November 27 2011 09:41 AlternativeEgo wrote:
MOAR: http://www.twitvid.com/IXSFN


Thanks Uh why did the official stream stop? o.o
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
November 27 2011 00:43 GMT
#12440
On November 27 2011 09:42 R!! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 09:30 mtn wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:20 R!! wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:16 windsupernova wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:15 StarStruck wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:13 skrotcyk wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:12 Erasme wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:07 Talack wrote:
On November 27 2011 09:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Puma can't compete with Hero in a macro game.

The better player wins


*race

you mean, by abusing timings and all in ?
Bravo Hero ! Manner nexus is the way to win ! Also great sniping with the stalkers :D


HerO is also extremly abusive, so stop it.


elaborate.

I want to hear this because I already debunked the 3gate all in and the 4gate play.

please proceed Mr. know-it-all.

The facts are all in the VODS and replays.


You didn't get the memo? This is a LR thread

Player wins early game, it was cheese.
Player wins mid game, it was an X or Y all in.
Player wins lategame, it was imba and abusive.

Jeez

That 2 forge play was kind of abusive, though at one point puma had 118 supply and hero 98 because of it so it obviously has its weaknesses, if only puma had scanned early, if only he waited for 3-3 to finish before completely slaughtering hero in that engagement.
Anyways, despite having a terran heart I like Hero better so I guess it was a win/win situation for me.



How was it an abusive play?

So in your mind.

Upgrading is abusive and allinish.

Going for ghosts before medivacs isnt? shiet man get ur shit together.

Going for double forge as fast as he did is a massive corner cut, it's not allinish, I consider it more abusive then lets say, a hidden early 3rd, I am not saying it's not legitimate, I just don't like gambles and knowing that the opponent can straight up kill you if he spots it is a gamble, you seem to confuse abusive play with allins.


You do know what "abusive" means right?
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