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Please stop the tournament comparison discussion. Especially regarding players their runs (Stephano seems to be the current topic). Stay on topic and stick to the games. Consequences will be met out to further derailment.

In addition leave the usual out of this topic:

-Balance complaints
-Map complaints
-Stream complaints
-Caster/player bashing
-Off topic discussions

Logically continue this list with things that are obviously frowned
upon. Enjoy the free and wonderful event with loads of games and coverage!
Packawana
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1081 Posts
November 25 2011 14:55 GMT
#2661
Seiplo looking pretty good in his group, took out both Genius and SarenS now.
"May all your dreaming fill the empty sky."
Kamate
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania580 Posts
November 25 2011 14:55 GMT
#2662
TLO is such a nice guy, it's great having him cast, especially with Artosis
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
November 25 2011 14:55 GMT
#2663
On November 25 2011 23:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:43 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:41 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:40 Killcani wrote:
ultra? why......


that's why - they are kinda good vs thors


Banes are good against thors when you have 200 of them vs 10 thors, doesn't make it smart

If thorzain had 30 more supply, rets army would have melted.

not entirely correct ultras are v good vs middle sized mech army, and they are cost efficient while banelings are not cost efficient vs mech almost ever

Everyone always tries to argue that ultras are awful and you should never get them when several top pros end up using them quite often. Ultras are only really bad against marauders and like 15 ghosts.


It's because Destiny is often extremely vocal about it on his stream. People believe him over watching players like Stephano winning tournaments by using Ultras to great effect.
Nick3
Profile Joined March 2011
513 Posts
November 25 2011 14:55 GMT
#2664
Seiplo advancing! Superswedes!!!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 14:56:54
November 25 2011 14:56 GMT
#2665
On November 25 2011 23:52 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:49 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:43 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:41 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:40 Killcani wrote:
ultra? why......


that's why - they are kinda good vs thors


Banes are good against thors when you have 200 of them vs 10 thors, doesn't make it smart

If thorzain had 30 more supply, rets army would have melted.

not entirely correct ultras are v good vs middle sized mech army, and they are cost efficient while banelings are not cost efficient vs mech almost ever

Everyone always tries to argue that ultras are awful and you should never get them when several top pros end up using them quite often. Ultras are only really bad against marauders and like 15 ghosts.

because ultras are not comeback units but tank units, they are made to tank dmg not exatctly to deal demage quite opposite to broodlords and people mix up their role


Haypro's bust-out vs MVP with ultras says otherwise - imo ultras are really undervalued, same as infestors were several months ago

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:49 WhiteDog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:46 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:43 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:41 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:40 Killcani wrote:
ultra? why......


that's why - they are kinda good vs thors


Banes are good against thors when you have 200 of them vs 10 thors, doesn't make it smart

If thorzain had 30 more supply, rets army would have melted.

not entirely correct ultras are v good vs middle sized mech army, and they are cost efficient while banelings are not cost efficient vs mech almost ever

Everyone always tries to argue that ultras are awful and you should never get them when several top pros end up using them quite often. Ultras are only really bad against marauders and like 15 ghosts.


and even vs ghosts someone did maths a while ago to show that the amount of snipes needed to kill ultras makes even mass-ghosts not really a "hard" counter

Thanks god people can do the math to explain us what seems to be wrong if you consider all the games. I wonder what math did he do, seriously, such troll is funny.
10 Ghost kill 5 ultra in an instant - an instant. That's a hard counter.


and 10 mutas kill 5 marines in an instant; your logic is flawless, your understanding of the game groundbreaking; please tell me more about how the game works

10 mutas = 1000/1000/10, 5 marines = 500/0/5

10 ghosts = 2000/1000/20, 5 ultras = 1500/1000/30
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
CEPEHDREI
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1521 Posts
November 25 2011 14:56 GMT
#2666
Artosis Dan Stemkoski
actually, @dariowuensch staying for 1 more lol! TLO and Artosis casting super analytical style!


yeeeeeeeeeeey
houstil
Profile Joined February 2011
France57 Posts
November 25 2011 14:56 GMT
#2667
On November 25 2011 23:43 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:41 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:40 Killcani wrote:
ultra? why......


that's why - they are kinda good vs thors


Banes are good against thors when you have 200 of them vs 10 thors, doesn't make it smart

If thorzain had 30 more supply, rets army would have melted.

not entirely correct ultras are v good vs middle sized mech army, and they are cost efficient while banelings are not cost efficient vs mech almost ever


Not entirely correct : ). Roaches with banes can be really good against clumped up thors because of the burst damage and low "microbility" of thors as shown by Nestea in a GSL game. Of course this is only true if Terran stays on pure thor-hellion without tanks or is caught unsieged.
houstil.678 on EU - banesh.232 on US | friendly master and servant of the swarm
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
November 25 2011 14:56 GMT
#2668
On November 25 2011 23:53 Loxley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:49 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:43 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:41 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:40 Killcani wrote:
ultra? why......


that's why - they are kinda good vs thors


Banes are good against thors when you have 200 of them vs 10 thors, doesn't make it smart

If thorzain had 30 more supply, rets army would have melted.

not entirely correct ultras are v good vs middle sized mech army, and they are cost efficient while banelings are not cost efficient vs mech almost ever

Everyone always tries to argue that ultras are awful and you should never get them when several top pros end up using them quite often. Ultras are only really bad against marauders and like 15 ghosts.

because ultras are not comeback units but tank units, they are made to tank dmg not exatctly to deal demage quite opposite to broodlords and people mix up their role


They tank really good due to their armor and hp, but their damage shouldn't be overlooked. With 17.4 dps and their splash damage it hits pretty hard. Really its the combination of staying alive while dealing adequate dmg is what makes them so good.
Against thors i would normally use broodlords but with the creep spread Ret has.. Ultra's are much much faster to get around. Ret likes to stay mobile

precisecly... ultras are just that the zergling can live and kill terran, because the biggest flaw of a zergling is that it dies before it has a chance to deal dmg, ultras take care of the most of a splash if they are targeted and even if not they are good dps y
Stork[gm]
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 15:00:22
November 25 2011 14:57 GMT
#2669
On November 25 2011 23:56 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:52 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:49 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:43 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:41 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:40 Killcani wrote:
ultra? why......


that's why - they are kinda good vs thors


Banes are good against thors when you have 200 of them vs 10 thors, doesn't make it smart

If thorzain had 30 more supply, rets army would have melted.

not entirely correct ultras are v good vs middle sized mech army, and they are cost efficient while banelings are not cost efficient vs mech almost ever

Everyone always tries to argue that ultras are awful and you should never get them when several top pros end up using them quite often. Ultras are only really bad against marauders and like 15 ghosts.

because ultras are not comeback units but tank units, they are made to tank dmg not exatctly to deal demage quite opposite to broodlords and people mix up their role


Haypro's bust-out vs MVP with ultras says otherwise - imo ultras are really undervalued, same as infestors were several months ago

On November 25 2011 23:49 WhiteDog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:46 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:43 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:41 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:40 Killcani wrote:
ultra? why......


that's why - they are kinda good vs thors


Banes are good against thors when you have 200 of them vs 10 thors, doesn't make it smart

If thorzain had 30 more supply, rets army would have melted.

not entirely correct ultras are v good vs middle sized mech army, and they are cost efficient while banelings are not cost efficient vs mech almost ever

Everyone always tries to argue that ultras are awful and you should never get them when several top pros end up using them quite often. Ultras are only really bad against marauders and like 15 ghosts.


and even vs ghosts someone did maths a while ago to show that the amount of snipes needed to kill ultras makes even mass-ghosts not really a "hard" counter

Thanks god people can do the math to explain us what seems to be wrong if you consider all the games. I wonder what math did he do, seriously, such troll is funny.
10 Ghost kill 5 ultra in an instant - an instant. That's a hard counter.


and 10 mutas kill 5 marines in an instant; your logic is flawless, your understanding of the game groundbreaking; please tell me more about how the game works

10 mutas = 1000/1000, 5 marines = 500/0

10 ghosts = 2000/1000, 5 ultras = 1500/1000

And the time it takes to get those ghosts to full energy? Ghosts being a suitable unit against ultras have much more to do with positioning and the map itself than unit vs. unit.

On November 25 2011 23:55 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:43 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:41 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:40 Killcani wrote:
ultra? why......


that's why - they are kinda good vs thors


Banes are good against thors when you have 200 of them vs 10 thors, doesn't make it smart

If thorzain had 30 more supply, rets army would have melted.

not entirely correct ultras are v good vs middle sized mech army, and they are cost efficient while banelings are not cost efficient vs mech almost ever

Everyone always tries to argue that ultras are awful and you should never get them when several top pros end up using them quite often. Ultras are only really bad against marauders and like 15 ghosts.


It's because Destiny is often extremely vocal about it on his stream. People believe him over watching players like Stephano winning tournaments by using Ultras to great effect.

Basically. Stephano, DRG, Dimaga, and Curious all prefer ultras in the late game.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
November 25 2011 14:57 GMT
#2670
Seiplo is through right? There's no way for a three way tie (his +/- would still put him through I guess).
[pG]Archi
Profile Joined July 2004
Germany354 Posts
November 25 2011 14:57 GMT
#2671
Does anyone know the name of the band/music that is being played on the stream right now ? me like.
rfoster
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1005 Posts
November 25 2011 14:58 GMT
#2672
Anybody know when the next match is going to start?
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
November 25 2011 14:58 GMT
#2673
hehe if he will see the replay he will poke himself. Could have killed the sentrys and ... then the obs was basically over the marines, just one click. Without the sentrys he could have just retreated with his groundforce and kill the immortals. then move back in and take the win.
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
November 25 2011 14:58 GMT
#2674
On November 25 2011 23:58 gogatorsfoster wrote:
Anybody know when the next match is going to start?


On day9 stream it says 16:00
월요 날 재미있
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
November 25 2011 14:59 GMT
#2675
On November 25 2011 23:52 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:49 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:43 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:41 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:40 Killcani wrote:
ultra? why......


that's why - they are kinda good vs thors


Banes are good against thors when you have 200 of them vs 10 thors, doesn't make it smart

If thorzain had 30 more supply, rets army would have melted.

not entirely correct ultras are v good vs middle sized mech army, and they are cost efficient while banelings are not cost efficient vs mech almost ever

Everyone always tries to argue that ultras are awful and you should never get them when several top pros end up using them quite often. Ultras are only really bad against marauders and like 15 ghosts.

because ultras are not comeback units but tank units, they are made to tank dmg not exatctly to deal demage quite opposite to broodlords and people mix up their role


Haypro's bust-out vs MVP with ultras says otherwise - imo ultras are really undervalued, same as infestors were several months ago

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:49 WhiteDog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:46 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:43 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:41 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:40 Killcani wrote:
ultra? why......


that's why - they are kinda good vs thors


Banes are good against thors when you have 200 of them vs 10 thors, doesn't make it smart

If thorzain had 30 more supply, rets army would have melted.

not entirely correct ultras are v good vs middle sized mech army, and they are cost efficient while banelings are not cost efficient vs mech almost ever

Everyone always tries to argue that ultras are awful and you should never get them when several top pros end up using them quite often. Ultras are only really bad against marauders and like 15 ghosts.


and even vs ghosts someone did maths a while ago to show that the amount of snipes needed to kill ultras makes even mass-ghosts not really a "hard" counter

Thanks god people can do the math to explain us what seems to be wrong if you consider all the games. I wonder what math did he do, seriously, such troll is funny.
10 Ghost kill 5 ultra in an instant - an instant. That's a hard counter.


and 10 mutas kill 5 marines in an instant; your logic is flawless, your understanding of the game groundbreaking; please tell me more about how the game works


The problem with Ultras has always been their size. 5 Ultras and 15 Ultras are about as similarly effective, unless you pull off a massive flank. Even in the final battle between Thorzain & Ret, the Lings actually did more damage than the Ultras, to the seige tanks. They allowed the flank to work. Ultras only work in combination is the big problem.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 25 2011 14:59 GMT
#2676
Naama 2-0 Merz
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
November 25 2011 15:00 GMT
#2677
On November 25 2011 23:58 gogatorsfoster wrote:
Anybody know when the next match is going to start?


There is a schedule in the op. I guess they might be a few minutes behind.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 15:01:38
November 25 2011 15:00 GMT
#2678
On November 25 2011 23:56 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:52 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:49 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:43 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:41 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:40 Killcani wrote:
ultra? why......


that's why - they are kinda good vs thors


Banes are good against thors when you have 200 of them vs 10 thors, doesn't make it smart

If thorzain had 30 more supply, rets army would have melted.

not entirely correct ultras are v good vs middle sized mech army, and they are cost efficient while banelings are not cost efficient vs mech almost ever

Everyone always tries to argue that ultras are awful and you should never get them when several top pros end up using them quite often. Ultras are only really bad against marauders and like 15 ghosts.

because ultras are not comeback units but tank units, they are made to tank dmg not exatctly to deal demage quite opposite to broodlords and people mix up their role


Haypro's bust-out vs MVP with ultras says otherwise - imo ultras are really undervalued, same as infestors were several months ago

On November 25 2011 23:49 WhiteDog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:46 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:43 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:41 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:40 Killcani wrote:
ultra? why......


that's why - they are kinda good vs thors


Banes are good against thors when you have 200 of them vs 10 thors, doesn't make it smart

If thorzain had 30 more supply, rets army would have melted.

not entirely correct ultras are v good vs middle sized mech army, and they are cost efficient while banelings are not cost efficient vs mech almost ever

Everyone always tries to argue that ultras are awful and you should never get them when several top pros end up using them quite often. Ultras are only really bad against marauders and like 15 ghosts.


and even vs ghosts someone did maths a while ago to show that the amount of snipes needed to kill ultras makes even mass-ghosts not really a "hard" counter

Thanks god people can do the math to explain us what seems to be wrong if you consider all the games. I wonder what math did he do, seriously, such troll is funny.
10 Ghost kill 5 ultra in an instant - an instant. That's a hard counter.


and 10 mutas kill 5 marines in an instant; your logic is flawless, your understanding of the game groundbreaking; please tell me more about how the game works

10 mutas = 1000/1000/10, 5 marines = 500/0/5

10 ghosts = 2000/1000/20, 5 ultras = 1500/1000/30


5 marines cost 250

When next matches gonna be?
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
November 25 2011 15:02 GMT
#2679
On November 25 2011 23:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:56 Shikyo wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:52 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:49 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:43 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:41 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:40 Killcani wrote:
ultra? why......


that's why - they are kinda good vs thors


Banes are good against thors when you have 200 of them vs 10 thors, doesn't make it smart

If thorzain had 30 more supply, rets army would have melted.

not entirely correct ultras are v good vs middle sized mech army, and they are cost efficient while banelings are not cost efficient vs mech almost ever

Everyone always tries to argue that ultras are awful and you should never get them when several top pros end up using them quite often. Ultras are only really bad against marauders and like 15 ghosts.

because ultras are not comeback units but tank units, they are made to tank dmg not exatctly to deal demage quite opposite to broodlords and people mix up their role


Haypro's bust-out vs MVP with ultras says otherwise - imo ultras are really undervalued, same as infestors were several months ago

On November 25 2011 23:49 WhiteDog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:46 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:43 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:41 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:40 Killcani wrote:
ultra? why......


that's why - they are kinda good vs thors


Banes are good against thors when you have 200 of them vs 10 thors, doesn't make it smart

If thorzain had 30 more supply, rets army would have melted.

not entirely correct ultras are v good vs middle sized mech army, and they are cost efficient while banelings are not cost efficient vs mech almost ever

Everyone always tries to argue that ultras are awful and you should never get them when several top pros end up using them quite often. Ultras are only really bad against marauders and like 15 ghosts.


and even vs ghosts someone did maths a while ago to show that the amount of snipes needed to kill ultras makes even mass-ghosts not really a "hard" counter

Thanks god people can do the math to explain us what seems to be wrong if you consider all the games. I wonder what math did he do, seriously, such troll is funny.
10 Ghost kill 5 ultra in an instant - an instant. That's a hard counter.


and 10 mutas kill 5 marines in an instant; your logic is flawless, your understanding of the game groundbreaking; please tell me more about how the game works

10 mutas = 1000/1000, 5 marines = 500/0

10 ghosts = 2000/1000, 5 ultras = 1500/1000

And the time it takes to get those ghosts to full energy? Ghosts being a suitable unit against ultras have much more to do with positioning and the map itself than unit vs. unit.

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 23:55 Exarl25 wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:43 bgx wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:42 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:41 sleepingdog wrote:
On November 25 2011 23:40 Killcani wrote:
ultra? why......


that's why - they are kinda good vs thors


Banes are good against thors when you have 200 of them vs 10 thors, doesn't make it smart

If thorzain had 30 more supply, rets army would have melted.

not entirely correct ultras are v good vs middle sized mech army, and they are cost efficient while banelings are not cost efficient vs mech almost ever

Everyone always tries to argue that ultras are awful and you should never get them when several top pros end up using them quite often. Ultras are only really bad against marauders and like 15 ghosts.


It's because Destiny is often extremely vocal about it on his stream. People believe him over watching players like Stephano winning tournaments by using Ultras to great effect.

Basically. Stephano, DRG, Dimaga, and Curious all prefer ultras in the late game.





Check minute 29:20 - to see the power over ghosts vs broodlords. And yes i know nestea overproduced broods, was under constant attack by nukes etc. But just view this as an example of pure snipe dps.
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Bromazepam
Profile Joined August 2011
820 Posts
November 25 2011 15:02 GMT
#2680
By the way, about 50k views on the three streams combined.
Sure, most come from people with all the streams open, still, a lot.
Saying that something is killing esports is killing esports.
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