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On November 16 2011 19:33 Assaulter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 19:26 bittman wrote:
Hey Terran players: when are you guys going to mix banshees or battlecruisers or ravens into the 200 food army? I know people keep telling me why mech isn't viable, but air? yeah ravens are definitely going to need to be used some time... but you usually spend your gas on ghosts/medivacs/vikings/upgrades etc..
You say that, but a LOT of Terran stock up a ton of gas in the late game. So I'm with bittman in saying that they HAVE to start using Ravens and BCs in the late game. Especially in tandem, since you can shut down stalkers quite well. Plus hardly any Protoss player has a Stargate
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On November 16 2011 19:34 Drazerk wrote:
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You can really see that puzzle trains a lot with terrans who like to do drops, his drop defence won him that last match. sc looked kinda helpless when he could do nothing to hurt Puzzles economy. Instead he got warp prism dropped several times.
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On November 16 2011 19:32 bittman wrote:
Once again terran MMM and wonder why their cheap 200 food army loses to an expensive 200 food army =/
The more I watch, the more I wonder when Terran are going to try something more in TvP after Terran players countered Protoss arguments with "need to innovate!" =/
We all want mech to work, but it just doesnt... Why is this so hard to understand? Do you think it's fun to be forced to make MMM, and to know you will lose the battle lategame? I have 20% winrate tvp (high masters) and I lose exactly like these pros. Ask jinro or any other terran pro what he thinks of tvp. He will use the word "joke", I promise you.
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Jesus thats an early expo.
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come on MC!!!
Well done Puzzle!!
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Isnt Nexus first how MC lost code S in the first place?
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Come on MC stay in Code S. :D ...pretty please?
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Not bad. Secures the expand without taking any damage.
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Damn... MC is probably dead. Nexus first never works
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On November 16 2011 19:36 Adreme wrote:
Isnt Nexus first how MC lost code S in the first place?
That and 1-gate expands yeah
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On November 16 2011 19:35 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 19:34 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 19:34 Drazerk wrote: MC vs  GanZi Game is on Antiga ShipyardIn the top left is  MC While in the bottom right is  Ganzi
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Barracks from Ganzi
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On November 16 2011 19:35 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 19:33 Assaulter wrote:On November 16 2011 19:26 bittman wrote:
Hey Terran players: when are you guys going to mix banshees or battlecruisers or ravens into the 200 food army? I know people keep telling me why mech isn't viable, but air? yeah ravens are definitely going to need to be used some time... but you usually spend your gas on ghosts/medivacs/vikings/upgrades etc.. You say that, but a LOT of Terran stock up a ton of gas in the late game. So I'm with bittman in saying that they HAVE to start using Ravens and BCs in the late game. Especially in tandem, since you can shut down stalkers quite well. Plus hardly any Protoss player has a Stargate
Feedback owns ravens..but still I'd like to see terrans try to add in air units, even if just to shut up you people 
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On November 16 2011 19:33 ShivaN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 19:32 bittman wrote:
Once again terran MMM and wonder why their cheap 200 food army loses to an expensive 200 food army =/
The more I watch, the more I wonder when Terran are going to try something more in TvP after Terran players countered Protoss arguments with "need to innovate!" =/ And what pray-tell would that be?
Tanks look pretty strong early game. How bout pressure with a few tanks then transition into your mass bio?
Why not more banshees?
Battlecruisers?
I remember ravens having abilities?
Reapers late game?
I don't know ShivaN, I'm not a pro. But I'll predict Ganzi's entire game now for MC to plan against:
Ganzi will expand once, go up to a few barracks, control map, expand again, counter whatever tech MC goes for with vikings/ghosts and in the meantime drop until they both get to a 200 food army then somehow hope that the army full of 50/0 and 100/25 units beats an army full of 100/0, 125/50, 50/150 and 300/200 units.
If they're creative, they'll drop during that attack. Apparently that's "creativity" now days for terrans? =/
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I really hope those P players will keep doing this passive style. Force T to use their brain, and make other (better) compositions.
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On November 16 2011 19:37 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 19:35 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 19:34 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 19:34 Drazerk wrote:MC vs GanZi Game is on Antiga ShipyardIn the top left is MC While in the bottom right is Ganzi
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Barracks from Ganzi
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ganzi on 4 rax and 2 engi bays incoming…
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On November 16 2011 19:35 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 19:32 bittman wrote:
Once again terran MMM and wonder why their cheap 200 food army loses to an expensive 200 food army =/
The more I watch, the more I wonder when Terran are going to try something more in TvP after Terran players countered Protoss arguments with "need to innovate!" =/ We all want mech to work, but it just doesnt... Why is this so hard to understand? Do you think it's fun to be forced to make MMM, and to know you will lose the battle lategame? I have 20% winrate tvp (high masters) and I lose exactly like these pros. Ask jinro or any other terran pro what he thinks of tvp. He will use the word "joke", I promise you.
You could also rearrange your builds, do something different or in a different order.
We've seen like 10 different PvT variations from protoss, like completely different.
Terran follows always the same scheme.
1 rax fe into 3 rax into reaktor medivac with +1 upgrading into 5 rax armor und second engi and third.
It's always the same scheme. Terran has SO much more potential than that basic build scheme they basically do since
Beta. The sad part is they still dominate TvP with it.
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On November 16 2011 19:38 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 19:37 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 19:35 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 19:34 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 19:34 Drazerk wrote:MC vs GanZi Game is on Antiga ShipyardIn the top left is MC While in the bottom right is Ganzi
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Barracks from Ganzi
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Expansion first from MC Orbital from Ganzi
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Marines sniping proxy pylons preventing the four gate
1/1 upgrades from Ganzi as MC takes more gas
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On November 16 2011 19:38 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 19:38 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 19:37 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 19:35 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 19:34 Drazerk wrote:On November 16 2011 19:34 Drazerk wrote:MC vs GanZi Game is on Antiga ShipyardIn the top left is MC While in the bottom right is Ganzi
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Barracks from Ganzi
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Expansion first from MC Orbital from Ganzi
5:20Three barracks and double gas from Ganzi Warp gate tech from MC
6:30Three barracks for MC Two engineering bays from Ganzi
7:20Marines sniping proxy pylons preventing the four gate 1/1 upgrades from Ganzi as MC takes more gas
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Robo bay and a twilight council from MC
Stim and combat shields for Ganzi along with a factory
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