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On November 15 2011 01:32 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 10:52 msjakofsky wrote:On November 14 2011 07:51 KvltMan wrote:On November 14 2011 07:46 norlock wrote:On November 14 2011 07:43 KvltMan wrote:On November 14 2011 07:42 Deckkie wrote:On November 14 2011 07:41 KvltMan wrote:On November 14 2011 07:32 msjakofsky wrote:On November 14 2011 07:28 KvltMan wrote:On November 14 2011 07:26 AIOL! wrote:
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I am agree with you + overall kas is way more solide than idra against players weaker than him ( never less than 80% ratio in EU server since the beta of SC2) How is the guy that has never beaten a single Korean and who has only one LAN victory better than IdrA? Are you actually being serious right now? achievements =/= level of play it's a subjective matter, why can't someone think one player is better than the other when there is no true evidence. and no, the fact that kas doesn't enter as many tournaments as idra is not evidence cuz it has nothing to do with performanceidra has better achievements- this is a fact idra is a better player- this is not a fact it's so simple, try not to rage if someone doesn't think that your favorite player is the best in the world It kind of does, a LAN takes more effort to win than an online cup, imo. And I don't hate Kas, not at all. But saying that he is better than someone who has proven that he can stand on equal footing with some of the best players in the world at LANs says a lot. your " imo" proofs his point. Ok, the fact that you have to account for having to travel, fighting jet-lag and also being in a tournament setting, playing in front of a live set of people makes the LAN a better proving ground than an online cup. Good enough? Doesn't that proof that he is the better player in those settings? The better player can only be the better player if he proofs in both offline and online tournaments that he is better, well that has not been proven yet. Fair enough, actually. This is the part where it's annoying because my opinion sort of differs from yours, but yeah. I'll actually give you this one. Sorry if I seemed rabid at some point during the discussion. my point was that until both kas and idra play bo7s with 20 random top players from all race and eachother and enter the same tournaments, there is no way to prove idra is better, especially since they play different races. idra has more major success, everyone knows that. kas' achievements are not as major but good none the less, he wins a lesser tournament every week or so and makes 300-500 euros this way, which is probably better for him cuz he is from ukraine where that money is really good and probably empire doesn't even give a salary while EG gives money/tickets everything to idra. they're different players, Idra has huge lan experience, Kas has nerve problems, and they didn't prove themselves at equal conditions repeatedly for a large enough sample size to tell which of the 2 is better. i find it a bit annoying that a lot of people write these online heroes off, because you know Stephano is one too who who won more money in 2 weeks than idra in his whole sc2 career, and Nerchio is one too, who is 4-0 vs idra and consistently beats very top players who have a good record against idra- but people say nooo idra is 100 times better! there is no real evidence and it's disrespectful to these players. it's like saying if i can lift 3000 kilos i'm not the strongest man in the world until i do it in front of a large audience, which is silly, cuz obviously i'm the strongest anyway, just don't have a paper of it. you can have your opinion that idra is better, but if you think i'm stupid if i have a different one, when there is no bloody evidence, that's not clever and nice. There is an old saying from the FPS community, do it on lan. Online heros will never be as regarded as LAN champions, it's just the way it is. Claiming you have nerve issues so you can't win is a joke, controlling your emotions and playing well when it counts is part of the skill of being a champ. They can win all the online cups and collect all the payouts in the world but they will never be respected like LAN champions.
main flaw in this is that kas doesn't "claim he has nerve issues so he can't win", he doesn't fail in lans, he simply doesn't enter lans. so basically you have no proof of his quality, but you judge his quality. that's like saying one actor is better than the other just cuz he won an award in holywood. lack of information is no evidence of anything.
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On November 15 2011 01:41 ShootingStars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 01:32 crms wrote:On November 14 2011 10:52 msjakofsky wrote:On November 14 2011 07:51 KvltMan wrote:On November 14 2011 07:46 norlock wrote:On November 14 2011 07:43 KvltMan wrote:On November 14 2011 07:42 Deckkie wrote:On November 14 2011 07:41 KvltMan wrote:On November 14 2011 07:32 msjakofsky wrote:On November 14 2011 07:28 KvltMan wrote:
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How is the guy that has never beaten a single Korean and who has only one LAN victory better than IdrA? Are you actually being serious right now? achievements =/= level of play it's a subjective matter, why can't someone think one player is better than the other when there is no true evidence. and no, the fact that kas doesn't enter as many tournaments as idra is not evidence cuz it has nothing to do with performanceidra has better achievements- this is a fact idra is a better player- this is not a fact it's so simple, try not to rage if someone doesn't think that your favorite player is the best in the world It kind of does, a LAN takes more effort to win than an online cup, imo. And I don't hate Kas, not at all. But saying that he is better than someone who has proven that he can stand on equal footing with some of the best players in the world at LANs says a lot. your " imo" proofs his point. Ok, the fact that you have to account for having to travel, fighting jet-lag and also being in a tournament setting, playing in front of a live set of people makes the LAN a better proving ground than an online cup. Good enough? Doesn't that proof that he is the better player in those settings? The better player can only be the better player if he proofs in both offline and online tournaments that he is better, well that has not been proven yet. Fair enough, actually. This is the part where it's annoying because my opinion sort of differs from yours, but yeah. I'll actually give you this one. Sorry if I seemed rabid at some point during the discussion. my point was that until both kas and idra play bo7s with 20 random top players from all race and eachother and enter the same tournaments, there is no way to prove idra is better, especially since they play different races. idra has more major success, everyone knows that. kas' achievements are not as major but good none the less, he wins a lesser tournament every week or so and makes 300-500 euros this way, which is probably better for him cuz he is from ukraine where that money is really good and probably empire doesn't even give a salary while EG gives money/tickets everything to idra. they're different players, Idra has huge lan experience, Kas has nerve problems, and they didn't prove themselves at equal conditions repeatedly for a large enough sample size to tell which of the 2 is better. i find it a bit annoying that a lot of people write these online heroes off, because you know Stephano is one too who who won more money in 2 weeks than idra in his whole sc2 career, and Nerchio is one too, who is 4-0 vs idra and consistently beats very top players who have a good record against idra- but people say nooo idra is 100 times better! there is no real evidence and it's disrespectful to these players. it's like saying if i can lift 3000 kilos i'm not the strongest man in the world until i do it in front of a large audience, which is silly, cuz obviously i'm the strongest anyway, just don't have a paper of it. you can have your opinion that idra is better, but if you think i'm stupid if i have a different one, when there is no bloody evidence, that's not clever and nice. There is an old saying from the FPS community, do it on lan. Online heros will never be as regarded as LAN champions, it's just the way it is. Claiming you have nerve issues so you can't win is a joke, controlling your emotions and playing well when it counts is part of the skill of being a champ. They can win all the online cups and collect all the payouts in the world but they will never be respected like LAN champions. What are you saying makes no sense. You're saying eSports will never be respected as Sports? Stop hurting eSports. "There's an old saying in the real world, play real sports..." -_-
No, what he's saying makes perfect sense. The mental aspect of playing the game in a competitive environment IS part of what makes a champion, a champion.
Look at SlayerSTaeja. He murders people in the ESV Korean Weekly, but when it comes to the GSL, he obviously has problems playing in the booth. Meanwhile, you have players like NesTea who are exceptionally good at sitting down in the booth and playing a "LAN" game in Starcraft 2.
Live Events offer that extra facet of the game that truly shows how stable a player is. He's not saying anything about Sports vs eSports, because Starcraft 2 is an eSport no matter where you play it. The fact is though, the ability to play under pressure in front of a live audience is something a true champion has to be able to do.
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On November 15 2011 01:41 ShootingStars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 01:32 crms wrote:On November 14 2011 10:52 msjakofsky wrote:On November 14 2011 07:51 KvltMan wrote:On November 14 2011 07:46 norlock wrote:On November 14 2011 07:43 KvltMan wrote:On November 14 2011 07:42 Deckkie wrote:On November 14 2011 07:41 KvltMan wrote:On November 14 2011 07:32 msjakofsky wrote:On November 14 2011 07:28 KvltMan wrote:
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How is the guy that has never beaten a single Korean and who has only one LAN victory better than IdrA? Are you actually being serious right now? achievements =/= level of play it's a subjective matter, why can't someone think one player is better than the other when there is no true evidence. and no, the fact that kas doesn't enter as many tournaments as idra is not evidence cuz it has nothing to do with performanceidra has better achievements- this is a fact idra is a better player- this is not a fact it's so simple, try not to rage if someone doesn't think that your favorite player is the best in the world It kind of does, a LAN takes more effort to win than an online cup, imo. And I don't hate Kas, not at all. But saying that he is better than someone who has proven that he can stand on equal footing with some of the best players in the world at LANs says a lot. your " imo" proofs his point. Ok, the fact that you have to account for having to travel, fighting jet-lag and also being in a tournament setting, playing in front of a live set of people makes the LAN a better proving ground than an online cup. Good enough? Doesn't that proof that he is the better player in those settings? The better player can only be the better player if he proofs in both offline and online tournaments that he is better, well that has not been proven yet. Fair enough, actually. This is the part where it's annoying because my opinion sort of differs from yours, but yeah. I'll actually give you this one. Sorry if I seemed rabid at some point during the discussion. my point was that until both kas and idra play bo7s with 20 random top players from all race and eachother and enter the same tournaments, there is no way to prove idra is better, especially since they play different races. idra has more major success, everyone knows that. kas' achievements are not as major but good none the less, he wins a lesser tournament every week or so and makes 300-500 euros this way, which is probably better for him cuz he is from ukraine where that money is really good and probably empire doesn't even give a salary while EG gives money/tickets everything to idra. they're different players, Idra has huge lan experience, Kas has nerve problems, and they didn't prove themselves at equal conditions repeatedly for a large enough sample size to tell which of the 2 is better. i find it a bit annoying that a lot of people write these online heroes off, because you know Stephano is one too who who won more money in 2 weeks than idra in his whole sc2 career, and Nerchio is one too, who is 4-0 vs idra and consistently beats very top players who have a good record against idra- but people say nooo idra is 100 times better! there is no real evidence and it's disrespectful to these players. it's like saying if i can lift 3000 kilos i'm not the strongest man in the world until i do it in front of a large audience, which is silly, cuz obviously i'm the strongest anyway, just don't have a paper of it. you can have your opinion that idra is better, but if you think i'm stupid if i have a different one, when there is no bloody evidence, that's not clever and nice. There is an old saying from the FPS community, do it on lan. Online heros will never be as regarded as LAN champions, it's just the way it is. Claiming you have nerve issues so you can't win is a joke, controlling your emotions and playing well when it counts is part of the skill of being a champ. They can win all the online cups and collect all the payouts in the world but they will never be respected like LAN champions. What are you saying makes no sense. You're saying eSports will never be respected as Sports? Stop hurting eSports. "There's an old saying in the real world, play real sports..." -_-
What he says makes perfect sense, and please stop using the overly abused "hurting eSports" it's overdone, and only used to make fun of people who says it nowadays.
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yey mouz and empire owning it up 
nice that the ace was bo5 and gj kas for defeating EG's best player (sad we didnt get to see huk or demu though)
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On November 14 2011 22:22 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 22:00 gruff wrote:
Kas is pretty immune to bm, he usually ignores it. Kas is such a one cool guy super Happy EG is losing :D (instead of empire winning)
EG losing just made my day a tiny bit better
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shouldn't EG have used HuK instead of incontrol? or was this during HuK's gsl match
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On November 15 2011 02:06 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 01:41 ShootingStars wrote:On November 15 2011 01:32 crms wrote:On November 14 2011 10:52 msjakofsky wrote:On November 14 2011 07:51 KvltMan wrote:On November 14 2011 07:46 norlock wrote:On November 14 2011 07:43 KvltMan wrote:On November 14 2011 07:42 Deckkie wrote:On November 14 2011 07:41 KvltMan wrote:On November 14 2011 07:32 msjakofsky wrote:
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achievements =/= level of play
it's a subjective matter, why can't someone think one player is better than the other when there is no true evidence. and no, the fact that kas doesn't enter as many tournaments as idra is not evidence cuz it has nothing to do with performance
idra has better achievements- this is a fact
idra is a better player- this is not a fact
it's so simple, try not to rage if someone doesn't think that your favorite player is the best in the world It kind of does, a LAN takes more effort to win than an online cup, imo. And I don't hate Kas, not at all. But saying that he is better than someone who has proven that he can stand on equal footing with some of the best players in the world at LANs says a lot. your " imo" proofs his point. Ok, the fact that you have to account for having to travel, fighting jet-lag and also being in a tournament setting, playing in front of a live set of people makes the LAN a better proving ground than an online cup. Good enough? Doesn't that proof that he is the better player in those settings? The better player can only be the better player if he proofs in both offline and online tournaments that he is better, well that has not been proven yet. Fair enough, actually. This is the part where it's annoying because my opinion sort of differs from yours, but yeah. I'll actually give you this one. Sorry if I seemed rabid at some point during the discussion. my point was that until both kas and idra play bo7s with 20 random top players from all race and eachother and enter the same tournaments, there is no way to prove idra is better, especially since they play different races. idra has more major success, everyone knows that. kas' achievements are not as major but good none the less, he wins a lesser tournament every week or so and makes 300-500 euros this way, which is probably better for him cuz he is from ukraine where that money is really good and probably empire doesn't even give a salary while EG gives money/tickets everything to idra. they're different players, Idra has huge lan experience, Kas has nerve problems, and they didn't prove themselves at equal conditions repeatedly for a large enough sample size to tell which of the 2 is better. i find it a bit annoying that a lot of people write these online heroes off, because you know Stephano is one too who who won more money in 2 weeks than idra in his whole sc2 career, and Nerchio is one too, who is 4-0 vs idra and consistently beats very top players who have a good record against idra- but people say nooo idra is 100 times better! there is no real evidence and it's disrespectful to these players. it's like saying if i can lift 3000 kilos i'm not the strongest man in the world until i do it in front of a large audience, which is silly, cuz obviously i'm the strongest anyway, just don't have a paper of it. you can have your opinion that idra is better, but if you think i'm stupid if i have a different one, when there is no bloody evidence, that's not clever and nice. There is an old saying from the FPS community, do it on lan. Online heros will never be as regarded as LAN champions, it's just the way it is. Claiming you have nerve issues so you can't win is a joke, controlling your emotions and playing well when it counts is part of the skill of being a champ. They can win all the online cups and collect all the payouts in the world but they will never be respected like LAN champions. What are you saying makes no sense. You're saying eSports will never be respected as Sports? Stop hurting eSports. "There's an old saying in the real world, play real sports..." -_- No, what he's saying makes perfect sense. The mental aspect of playing the game in a competitive environment IS part of what makes a champion, a champion. Look at SlayerSTaeja. He murders people in the ESV Korean Weekly, but when it comes to the GSL, he obviously has problems playing in the booth. Meanwhile, you have players like NesTea who are exceptionally good at sitting down in the booth and playing a "LAN" game in Starcraft 2. Live Events offer that extra facet of the game that truly shows how stable a player is. He's not saying anything about Sports vs eSports, because Starcraft 2 is an eSport no matter where you play it. The fact is though, the ability to play under pressure in front of a live audience is something a true champion has to be able to do.
don't know if taeja is a valid example, he got to code s which is huge, and he lost to monsters like drg and polt which is no shame at all, while at korean weeklies he plays code b players most of the time- the thing that he didn't own the tournament with the top32 players in the world isn't a good proof. Nerchio and Kas play players like mana, goody, hasuobs, stephano etc etc all the time in the european online cups, who are the very top of europe
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On November 15 2011 02:25 MeriaDoKk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 22:22 Vertical wrote:On November 14 2011 22:00 gruff wrote:
Kas is pretty immune to bm, he usually ignores it. Kas is such a one cool guy super Happy EG is losing :D (instead of empire winning) EG losing just made my day a tiny bit better
LoLoL EG Haterz xD
be happy when EG's Strongest roster will lose.
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On November 15 2011 02:45 damod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 02:25 MeriaDoKk wrote:On November 14 2011 22:22 Vertical wrote:On November 14 2011 22:00 gruff wrote:
Kas is pretty immune to bm, he usually ignores it. Kas is such a one cool guy super Happy EG is losing :D (instead of empire winning) EG losing just made my day a tiny bit better LoLoL EG Haterz xD be happy when EG's Strongest roster will lose.
Say what you want, Idra lost the ace. ^_______^
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On November 15 2011 03:06 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 02:45 damod wrote:On November 15 2011 02:25 MeriaDoKk wrote:On November 14 2011 22:22 Vertical wrote:On November 14 2011 22:00 gruff wrote:
Kas is pretty immune to bm, he usually ignores it. Kas is such a one cool guy super Happy EG is losing :D (instead of empire winning) EG losing just made my day a tiny bit better LoLoL EG Haterz xD be happy when EG's Strongest roster will lose. Say what you want, Idra lost the ace. ^_______^
Yupe, Kas played extremly Well, watched his stream and he is a sick player.
but it wouldnt have made it to the ace match if huk or demuslim would have played 
that way the 2-1 idrA had over him would have stayed like that T_T
anyway, grats for empire, they deserve that win, i just hate when people are gloating >_>
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but what ever, grats for empire, they deserve that win, i just hate when people are gloating >_>
Nature of competitive sports yo. You'll find it everywhere.
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On November 15 2011 03:20 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +but what ever, grats for empire, they deserve that win, i just hate when people are gloating >_> Nature of competitive sports yo. You'll find it everywhere.
ya i guess, gotta stop taking it to heart lol
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You try to hope and cheers for Idra, but he's just too unprofessional and *rly not good adjetive here ....*
So. for now on, i just give up, he rly dont deserve my support ... GO GO Kas, YOU PLAYED WELL, GZ!
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On November 15 2011 03:25 Chaves wrote:
You try to hope and cheers for Idra, but he's just too unprofessional and *rly not good adjetive here ....*
So. for now on, i just give up, he rly dont deserve my support ... GO GO Kas, YOU PLAYED WELL, GZ!
you werent supporting him at all then, your support was fake if you just turn your back on him after a few bad games.
pretty sure you are just one of those guys who jumps on the "success bandwagon" when idrA wins, and then ragequit it when he lose or BM's.
idrA deserves better fans with real support then guys like you, bb you wont be missed.
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On November 15 2011 03:37 damod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 03:25 Chaves wrote:
You try to hope and cheers for Idra, but he's just too unprofessional and *rly not good adjetive here ....*
So. for now on, i just give up, he rly dont deserve my support ... GO GO Kas, YOU PLAYED WELL, GZ!
you werent supporting him at all then, your support was fake if you just turn your back on him after a few bad games. pretty sure you are just one of those guys who jumps on the "success bandwagon" when idrA wins, and then ragequit it when he lose or BM's. idrA deserves better fans with real support then guys like you, bb you wont be missed.
you go girl!
good to see empire owning it up.
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On November 15 2011 03:41 sopas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 03:37 damod wrote:On November 15 2011 03:25 Chaves wrote:
You try to hope and cheers for Idra, but he's just too unprofessional and *rly not good adjetive here ....*
So. for now on, i just give up, he rly dont deserve my support ... GO GO Kas, YOU PLAYED WELL, GZ!
you werent supporting him at all then, your support was fake if you just turn your back on him after a few bad games. pretty sure you are just one of those guys who jumps on the "success bandwagon" when idrA wins, and then ragequit it when he lose or BM's. idrA deserves better fans with real support then guys like you, bb you wont be missed. you go girl! good to see empire owning it up.
thx girlfriend.
LoL
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On November 15 2011 03:37 damod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 03:25 Chaves wrote:
You try to hope and cheers for Idra, but he's just too unprofessional and *rly not good adjetive here ....*
So. for now on, i just give up, he rly dont deserve my support ... GO GO Kas, YOU PLAYED WELL, GZ!
you werent supporting him at all then, your support was fake if you just turn your back on him after a few bad games. pretty sure you are just one of those guys who jumps on the "success bandwagon" when idrA wins, and then ragequit it when he lose or BM's. idrA deserves better fans with real support then guys like you, bb you wont be missed.
What? He was talking about his professionalism, not his losing.
Plz make more sense.
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On November 15 2011 03:58 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 03:37 damod wrote:On November 15 2011 03:25 Chaves wrote:
You try to hope and cheers for Idra, but he's just too unprofessional and *rly not good adjetive here ....*
So. for now on, i just give up, he rly dont deserve my support ... GO GO Kas, YOU PLAYED WELL, GZ!
you werent supporting him at all then, your support was fake if you just turn your back on him after a few bad games. pretty sure you are just one of those guys who jumps on the "success bandwagon" when idrA wins, and then ragequit it when he lose or BM's. idrA deserves better fans with real support then guys like you, bb you wont be missed. What? He was talking about his professionalism, not his losing. Plz make more sense.
there was a reason when i said and then ragequit it when he lose or BM's.
plz read more carefully.
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On November 15 2011 04:01 damod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 03:58 nvs. wrote:On November 15 2011 03:37 damod wrote:On November 15 2011 03:25 Chaves wrote:
You try to hope and cheers for Idra, but he's just too unprofessional and *rly not good adjetive here ....*
So. for now on, i just give up, he rly dont deserve my support ... GO GO Kas, YOU PLAYED WELL, GZ!
you werent supporting him at all then, your support was fake if you just turn your back on him after a few bad games. pretty sure you are just one of those guys who jumps on the "success bandwagon" when idrA wins, and then ragequit it when he lose or BM's. idrA deserves better fans with real support then guys like you, bb you wont be missed. What? He was talking about his professionalism, not his losing. Plz make more sense. there was a reason when i said plz read more carefully.
Im not his mother my support is not unconditional, if he do SH1T i ll stop support and cheers for him. You rly think that other players dont wanna BM some times? and why you think they dont do it? Why kas did not call idra "a-move sh1t" in the first series? Simple, because he know's that both of then ar professional starcraft 2 players and they need to respect each other cos we ar not in 6°grade.
Anyway, i ll stop replying cos im pretty sure that you ar a very big fan of Idra's and you ll try to explain the explainable.
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