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On November 01 2011 20:41 SuperFanBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:36 Yaki wrote:
Nestea scouted it and put so many spores but still ... should have gone for hydra or more queens He didn't get hydras because hydras are completely useless against the follow up which is siege tank marine. He really couldn't of done anything to stop that, marines on the border deny scouting, the only way he could of stopped that was if he just make 10 spores randomly, and if SC went for a ground all in or a late expand, Nestea would look stupid for making a tonne of random spores. Not really anything Nestea could do in that situation apart from send multiple overlords in at the same time, which is kinda an overkill.
ummmmm no hydras are the perfect choice, and roach follow up as well. That is the perfect counter to a one base all in, no doubt, he should have gone hydras
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Nestea had a great hold of the proxy rax shenanigans, it was his own fault he lost to the banshees though. He always always goes early spores vs toss because of possible DT's, why not just a couple early spores vs terran so at least one is already done at each base and then when he sees the banshees with his overlord he has less to make. Yes I know a sporecrawler is a drone that could be mining but still, he knew he was ahead, he could afford to lose a few drones for safety's sake.
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On November 01 2011 20:39 Fionn wrote:
asd looks like Hoejja.
i dont really see it
Hoejja has that like derpy cross eye thing goin on.
that aside tho Hoejja is awesome left handed Zerg Slaughter machine :D
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Artosis is so depressed right now ...
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On November 01 2011 20:41 Yaki wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:41 theBizness wrote:On November 01 2011 20:40 Phats wrote:
I cant believe he tried to go spire and not hydra the build time is like 12631782631786231 seconds faster. First rule of playing SC2 Zerg, never make hydras. You trolling right ?
No, hydras are pretty bad...
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On November 01 2011 20:39 Babru wrote:
So many zerg tears.
This is why sc2 is such a great game. What a beautifully executed tricky little tactic there!
Yeah, you're right. A game in which you can derp one unit to insta-win against a player who can't scout your strategy is a game which rewards practice, skill, intelligence and speed. Truly it has the makings of a good strategy game. And talking about beautifully executed - oh my! The way he build the tech labs before the starports? Oh man that took skill. Must've taken him weeks of intense practice to get the timings down. And putting marines at the edge of the base to prevent any and all scouting? No one has every thought of that before, and the level of micro it must have taken is incredible.
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Nestea should be like Sheth.. "always worried about banshees" 
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On November 01 2011 20:41 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:38 Creem wrote:
It's so retarded that banshees hardcounter everything pre mutas. Banshees both outrange and outdmg EVERYTHING early game that can be considered a threat to these flying dts. 1 banshee loses to 1 queen, and doesn't outrange it. 1 banshee loses to 1 spore crawler, and doesn't outrange it. Both are also cheaper than a banshee. I mean, I appreciate a good imba whine, but I can't think of a single Zerg unit that doesn't outrange a banshee. Unless you mean that LINGS can't hit them.
1 banshee WINS against 1 queen. Spore crawlers can simply be avoided, mutas are too slow. Will zerg have to start throwing up "just in case" hydra dens at lair?
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On November 01 2011 20:41 Onox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:40 frequency wrote:
asd is going to CC first at his choke, by the way. I wonder how you know that lol
FXO management!
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On November 01 2011 20:41 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:38 Creem wrote:
It's so retarded that banshees hardcounter everything pre mutas. Banshees both outrange and outdmg EVERYTHING early game that can be considered a threat to these flying dts. 1 banshee loses to 1 queen, and doesn't outrange it. 1 banshee loses to 1 spore crawler, and doesn't outrange it. Both are also cheaper than a banshee. I mean, I appreciate a good imba whine, but I can't think of a single Zerg unit that doesn't outrange a banshee. Unless you mean that LINGS can't hit them.
Banshee actually beats a queen in 1v1, also banshees can move around, obviously you wont be in situation where you have a banshee fighting a spore 1v1.. you will obviously position all your banshees to be able to kill 1 spore at a time. to cover all the area you would need to be very cost ineffective and make 10+ spores
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people complaining about balance every time someone looses it's getting fucking retarded.
seriously ?
2 port banshee is a shitty cheese and should never work against a great zerg.
nestea fucked up. he didnt make any extra queens.
good build by sC, def not great.. but im glad it worked
<3 sC
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On November 01 2011 20:41 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:38 Creem wrote:
It's so retarded that banshees hardcounter everything pre mutas. Banshees both outrange and outdmg EVERYTHING early game that can be considered a threat to these flying dts. 1 banshee loses to 1 queen, and doesn't outrange it. 1 banshee loses to 1 spore crawler, and doesn't outrange it. Both are also cheaper than a banshee. I mean, I appreciate a good imba whine, but I can't think of a single Zerg unit that doesn't outrange a banshee. Unless you mean that LINGS can't hit them.
your facts are wrong, 1 banshee kills 1 queen, 2 banshees kill a spore with no deaths (assuming the tiniest bit of micro)
I'm on your side, but get the facts straight dawg
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I don't understand all these clowns saying Nestea should have scouted with an overlord. If you were paying attention at all, you'd have seen that right as the banshees starting building, Nestea sent a ling to the front of the base and an overlord to go inside, but Sc's base was walled off at the front, and marines were waiting for the overlord around the sides. Like a good player, Nestea saved the OV and then pulled it right outside the base to see the banshees right as they exited. Textbook perfect zerg scouting. I'm not arguing anything about Terran cheese, but these people saying that Nestea didn't try to get an OV in base or scout need to get a clue.
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On November 01 2011 20:42 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:41 yeint wrote:On November 01 2011 20:38 Creem wrote:
It's so retarded that banshees hardcounter everything pre mutas. Banshees both outrange and outdmg EVERYTHING early game that can be considered a threat to these flying dts. 1 banshee loses to 1 queen, and doesn't outrange it. 1 banshee loses to 1 spore crawler, and doesn't outrange it. Both are also cheaper than a banshee. I mean, I appreciate a good imba whine, but I can't think of a single Zerg unit that doesn't outrange a banshee. Unless you mean that LINGS can't hit them. Lings should be able to jump into a banshee's rotors, jamming them and making it crash.
a banshee wins vs a queen.
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On November 01 2011 20:41 SuperFanBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:36 Yaki wrote:
Nestea scouted it and put so many spores but still ... should have gone for hydra or more queens He didn't get hydras because hydras are completely useless against the follow up which is siege tank marine. He really couldn't of done anything to stop that, marines on the border deny scouting, the only way he could of stopped that was if he just make 10 spores randomly, and if SC went for a ground all in or a late expand, Nestea would look stupid for making a tonne of random spores. Not really anything Nestea could do in that situation apart from send multiple overlords in at the same time, which is kinda an overkill.
Lol are you kidding? The follow up is off 1 base after he invested in 2 starports and a bunch of banshees.
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On November 01 2011 20:41 anrimayu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:40 Herry wrote:
Wow so i guess this 2 port banchee is brand new and never been seen before, so every Terran can just do it vs a zerg and win right?
oh wait. I love the hypocrisy It's very easy to pull off and very hard to predict it. That's why every terran is using that strat to beat zerg in every TvZ games. Artosis said it, so it must be true.
To be fair, I've seen Bomber win his fair share of games with double port banshees.
It's just one of those very easy to pull off cheesy one base terran all in that you must keep in mind.
This and 57 others.
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On November 01 2011 20:42 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:On November 01 2011 20:39 rpgalon wrote:On November 01 2011 20:37 Titorelli wrote:
I hate sC don't hate the players, hate the game... hate the terran race! oh my god this is pathetic,seriously stop it. We should be used to it by now. Zerg fanboys always whine about 10 times more than other races when a top player of their race loses. Something about that race attracts whiners <.<
I have to think this has something to do with it:
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On November 01 2011 20:42 Dali. wrote:
To all the Terrans needling: Stop being lame, its not funny or intelligent
To the Zergs whining: Stop being pathetic, Nestea's response was arguably less than optimum.
To anyone who voted "Yes" on the recommended game poll: Stop being assholes, not only is it vindictive, but its simply false.
God damn live reports.
thank you.
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Nestea could've even just built 2-3 extra queens. They're useful in any fight even if it's not banshees and you can use them for transfuse/creep spread.
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