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On November 08 2011 19:18 coloursheep wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 19:14 Azarkon wrote:
And Sen gets his revenge on MC. Weak showing from MC, though. Maybe he's saving his best strats for Code S. Even so, Sen just seemed all over whatever he did have planned. Into the Ro4 for Sen. i think that is more of a showing of the current state of protoss rather than MC's ability, all protoss players are struggling at the moment, and with zergs not just going roach/hydra every game and using mutas and infestors protoss at the moment does not have a answer for that
The thing is, I feel like MC's strategies left something to be desired. The first game, in cross positions his harassment did virtually nothing and he expanded to his third way too slow, failed to anticipate mutas, and had slow FFs at his third (difficult, granted), which ended up with him losing all his sentries and his expo.
The second game, I felt like the big mistake was not going 7-8 gate pressure and instead trying to tech to fast colossi WHILE expanding to a third. It left him unit thin to the point of not having enough meat to take out Sen's roaches before they sniped his 8-9 sentries, after which his small army just got obliterated by Sen.
PvZ issues aside, better strategies would've made those games a lot closer, I think.
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There is a good point of having a bad 480p streaming...
We barely notice all the dirty finger prints all over the trophy :D
Plz Som1 Make this trophy shine before some1 kiss it
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On November 08 2011 19:22 AutomatonOmega wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 19:18 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2011 19:14 Azarkon wrote:
And Sen gets his revenge on MC. Weak showing from MC, though. Maybe he's saving his best strats for Code S. Even so, Sen just seemed all over whatever he did have planned. Into the Ro4 for Sen. i think that is more of a showing of the current state of protoss rather than MC's ability, all protoss players are struggling at the moment, and with zergs not just going roach/hydra every game and using mutas and infestors protoss at the moment does not have a answer for that I disagree. Protoss have been buffed in the last three patches. 1.3 you could say this, but not now.
what protoss buffs in the last few patches did mc not take advantage of in that series that cost him those games? immortal range? warp prism shields? that fact is protoss has huge trouble with early game zerg, they have to put on some pressure or the zerg gets to 80+ drones and then does whatever they want, but so few of the early protoss pressures are effective if the zerg is not too greedy and if they early pressure fails then the protoss is behind and is playing catch up for the rest of the game and even if they control well in engagements its still the zergs game to lose.
what do you think?
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On November 08 2011 19:27 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 19:18 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2011 19:14 Azarkon wrote:
And Sen gets his revenge on MC. Weak showing from MC, though. Maybe he's saving his best strats for Code S. Even so, Sen just seemed all over whatever he did have planned. Into the Ro4 for Sen. i think that is more of a showing of the current state of protoss rather than MC's ability, all protoss players are struggling at the moment, and with zergs not just going roach/hydra every game and using mutas and infestors protoss at the moment does not have a answer for that The thing is, I feel like MC's strategies left something to be desired. The first game, in cross positions his harassment did virtually nothing and he expanded to his third way too slow, failed to anticipate mutas, and had slow FFs at his third (difficult, granted), which ended up with him losing all his sentries and his expo. The second game, I felt like the big mistake was not going 7-8 gate pressure and instead trying to tech to fast colossi WHILE expanding to a third. It left him unit thin to the point of not having enough meat to take out Sen's roaches before they sniped his 8-9 sentries, after which his small army just got obliterated by Sen. PvZ issues aside, better strategies would've made those games a lot closer, I think.
but do you think the 7 gate would have worked? sen had 3 base with a macro hatch, i dont think MC would have been able to do enough damage with the pressure and would have been to far behind on tech and economy. this is the problem with protoss against zerg at the moment, its very difficult to get early pressures to work and going for econ builds makes it hard to hold zerg aggression and/or allows them to do what they want, go to 4 bases with a tonne of drones then keep trading units with the protoss until you wear them down
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On November 08 2011 19:29 coloursheep wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 19:22 AutomatonOmega wrote:On November 08 2011 19:18 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2011 19:14 Azarkon wrote:
And Sen gets his revenge on MC. Weak showing from MC, though. Maybe he's saving his best strats for Code S. Even so, Sen just seemed all over whatever he did have planned. Into the Ro4 for Sen. i think that is more of a showing of the current state of protoss rather than MC's ability, all protoss players are struggling at the moment, and with zergs not just going roach/hydra every game and using mutas and infestors protoss at the moment does not have a answer for that I disagree. Protoss have been buffed in the last three patches. 1.3 you could say this, but not now. what protoss buffs in the last few patches did mc not take advantage of in that series that cost him those games? immortal range? warp prism shields? that fact is protoss has huge trouble with early game zerg, they have to put on some pressure or the zerg gets to 80+ drones and then does whatever they want, but so few of the early protoss pressures are effective if the zerg is not too greedy and if they early pressure fails then the protoss is behind and is playing catch up for the rest of the game and even if they control well in engagements its still the zergs game to lose. what do you think?
Game 1 - Losing 2 voids killing NOTHING eventually cost him the game. Keep them alive and you keep map control, a key reason to go stargate in the first place.
Game 2 - Entirely lost by the massive zergling runby.
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did tasteless just say reactored vultures?
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Has anyone got a link to a bracket? I can only find the group results, but no Ro16 bracket.
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Please don't discuss balance in the LR thread. It happens all the time and people always get banned. There are quite a few threads in SC2 general where you can discuss balance, like here or here.
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click the liquipedia page on the OP
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On November 08 2011 19:35 Phayt wrote:
click the liquipedia page on the OP
Silly me. Totally forgot about the amazing liquipedia being updated all the time.
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Ha
Tasteless said rut like root
Idra says root like rut
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Moons wins vs FruitDealer 2:1.
Go Moon!
Edit: or not, OP says Bo5
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On November 08 2011 19:33 foxmeep wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 19:29 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2011 19:22 AutomatonOmega wrote:On November 08 2011 19:18 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2011 19:14 Azarkon wrote:
And Sen gets his revenge on MC. Weak showing from MC, though. Maybe he's saving his best strats for Code S. Even so, Sen just seemed all over whatever he did have planned. Into the Ro4 for Sen. i think that is more of a showing of the current state of protoss rather than MC's ability, all protoss players are struggling at the moment, and with zergs not just going roach/hydra every game and using mutas and infestors protoss at the moment does not have a answer for that I disagree. Protoss have been buffed in the last three patches. 1.3 you could say this, but not now. what protoss buffs in the last few patches did mc not take advantage of in that series that cost him those games? immortal range? warp prism shields? that fact is protoss has huge trouble with early game zerg, they have to put on some pressure or the zerg gets to 80+ drones and then does whatever they want, but so few of the early protoss pressures are effective if the zerg is not too greedy and if they early pressure fails then the protoss is behind and is playing catch up for the rest of the game and even if they control well in engagements its still the zergs game to lose. what do you think? Game 1 - Losing 2 voids killing NOTHING eventually cost him the game. Keep them alive and you keep map control, a key reason to go stargate in the first place. Game 2 - Entirely lost by the massive zergling runby.
its is very difficult for protoss to do anything with stargate openings and more because zergs are so used to them to killing one queen and 3 perhaps 4 overlords is not the worst thing in the world, however the more important thing is how this shows how difficult it is for protoss to open against zerg because early pressure is to difficult as zergs have adapted and know how to deal with them and they only work if the zerg makes a mistake or is too greedy with drones over units and going for econ builds allows the zerg to play their natural game which a protoss can let them do.
if MC strategies were wrong how do you think he should have opened?
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On November 08 2011 19:35 SeaSwift wrote:Please don't discuss balance in the LR thread. It happens all the time and people always get banned. There are quite a few threads in SC2 general where you can discuss balance, like here or here.
we cant discuss the game that was just played? no one is being rude or attacking each other, its a simple discussion of what happened between MC and Sen and PvZ in general in the current state of the game
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On November 08 2011 19:37 Derity wrote:
Moons wins vs FruitDealer 2:1.
Go Moon!
Best of 5 
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marineking is god of tvz with mvp. ^_^
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Is it the top 2 or just the winner of this that goes to IPL4?
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if mvp has MKP's micro he would be unstoppable.
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On November 08 2011 19:41 DerKiLLa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 19:37 Derity wrote:
Moons wins vs FruitDealer 2:1.
Go Moon! Best of 5
ye, just remembered that. Just misinterpreted the tweet.
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