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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word.

TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players.

- p4NDemik
S2Lunar
Profile Joined June 2011
1051 Posts
October 23 2011 01:13 GMT
#6121
It was rigged because NesTea played badly in the extreme late game?

Give me a fucking joke, your 'god' got beaten.
Larias
Profile Joined July 2011
United States75 Posts
October 23 2011 01:13 GMT
#6122
Crowd seemed to love it, but Nestea gave the game to MVP. The last game was nothing more than a showmatch. Undoubtedly why MVP ran off the stage after winning.

User was warned for this post
-y0shi-
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany994 Posts
October 23 2011 01:14 GMT
#6123
On October 23 2011 10:09 dan1mal wrote:
its pathetic that everyone is complaining about the game being set etc. Why the fuck would nestea throw the game? And is it really that wierd for even a pro to leave a couple of units in some overlords after playing for like 10 hours?

and how the fuck are you going to deal with 20 full mana ghosts, siege tanks, and whole bunch of marines? MVP's army size was 50 food larger because he had mules.. and having 27 broodlords =
108 supply.. Ofcourse hes not gonna have 40 roaches supporting it, because thats mathematically impossible...

People honestly always seem to want to find the evil in everything, why cant everyone just shut up and enjoy a good game?


Because it wasnt a good game, it was an awful game? A game isnt good because it has lots of units. This game was bad and people trying to figure out how this can happen. Because both players but especially nestea are just better then this.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 23 2011 01:14 GMT
#6124
On October 23 2011 10:12 SpiZe wrote:
I'm sure if I understand correctly... Nestea got booed ?


No david kim did. he was accompanying nestea.
twitch.tv/medrea
aBADidea
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada3 Posts
October 23 2011 01:14 GMT
#6125
Why did he let his expos get raped by ghosts? why didn't he put a few spores with his crawlers? why didnt he have 10 crawlers and a few spores at each base when he had 13k banked? Anyway, terrible match, obv they didn't care about winning at all. sad day, lotsa blood.
Xadar
Profile Joined October 2010
497 Posts
October 23 2011 01:15 GMT
#6126
On October 23 2011 10:09 Ilintar wrote:
Okay, I seriously don't see how people are claiming this game was a) bad, b) fixed. You have a game where the top pros are basically executing a dance of strategies and counters for 40 minutes and you claim the game was rigged because one of them came up on top?

To address the most common points:

1) Why didn't Nestea just make spines everywhere?
He did, MVP just picked them out one by one. You're so focused on Nestea "donating" Brood Lords, you're seemingly forgetting about the dozen or so drops MVP threw away before he actually started chipping into the zerg empire.

2) Why did Nestea just attack with mass Brood Lords?
He was probably actually counting on overpowering the ghost army - if he managed to kill those, he could basically demolish MVP's entire ground defense since remaking the ghosts would take such a huge amount of time. It might've worked, too, if not for the 15 or so vikings. There are only so many snipes the ghosts have energy for.

3) Why the doomdrop?
A lot of people are contradicting themselves here. First you say Nestea was stupid for not trading armies, then you criticize the doomdrop - for Nestea, this was probably the perceived most cost-efficient way of trading armies. He probably didn't take into consideration how quickly his overlords would get sniped.

4) Why not just make a ton of lings and throw them at the ghosts?
Because MVP had sensor towers and the ghosts were behind a nice line of PFs and siege tanks. Reportedly, mass lings don't do too well vs. either.

5) Why not just wait, bank minerals, save larvas and prepare for the terran attack?
That's exactly what Nestea tried to do. For quite a long time, he succeeded - he repelled all the drops and managed to defend the bottom expo. The problem is, once he let some drops do damage, his entire defense began to unravel due to the multitasking demands.


But you cant explain why he didnt rebuild his bases after losing them to drops despite having more than enough minerals banked.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
October 23 2011 01:15 GMT
#6127
On October 23 2011 10:14 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 10:12 SpiZe wrote:
I'm sure if I understand correctly... Nestea got booed ?


No david kim did. he was accompanying nestea.

Why did they boo DK?
tkRage
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
225 Posts
October 23 2011 01:15 GMT
#6128
On October 23 2011 10:15 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 10:14 Medrea wrote:
On October 23 2011 10:12 SpiZe wrote:
I'm sure if I understand correctly... Nestea got booed ?


No david kim did. he was accompanying nestea.

Why did they boo DK?

lol only a romanian would ask that question.

User was warned for this post
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
October 23 2011 01:15 GMT
#6129
On October 23 2011 10:12 Krehlmar wrote:

He most definatly was not playing his normal NesTea level of gameplay and I think anyone with any basic knowledge of Starcraft II can admit that: A 3 time GSL champion does not build 27 broodlords and attack the most heavily fortified terran position on the whole map without any support, whilst not flanking nor (re)taking any expansions.

Goodnight folks.


it was a smart decision but poorly executed. it's very easy to be the monday morning quarterback but in retrospect you have to consider that nestea had several infestors that with one fungal on the ghosts potentially ends the game.
The Show of a Lifetime
Gorguts
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada254 Posts
October 23 2011 01:15 GMT
#6130
On October 23 2011 10:15 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 10:14 Medrea wrote:
On October 23 2011 10:12 SpiZe wrote:
I'm sure if I understand correctly... Nestea got booed ?


No david kim did. he was accompanying nestea.

Why did they boo DK?



Balance whiners.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 23 2011 01:15 GMT
#6131
On October 23 2011 10:15 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 10:14 Medrea wrote:
On October 23 2011 10:12 SpiZe wrote:
I'm sure if I understand correctly... Nestea got booed ?


No david kim did. he was accompanying nestea.

Why did they boo DK?


Because the SC2 community is filled with hatred.
PaeZ
Profile Joined April 2005
Mexico1627 Posts
October 23 2011 01:16 GMT
#6132
On October 23 2011 10:15 tkRage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 10:15 Zane wrote:
On October 23 2011 10:14 Medrea wrote:
On October 23 2011 10:12 SpiZe wrote:
I'm sure if I understand correctly... Nestea got booed ?


No david kim did. he was accompanying nestea.

Why did they boo DK?

lol only a romanian would ask that question.


I would also like to know why, no need to be mean
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
October 23 2011 01:16 GMT
#6133
On October 23 2011 10:02 Micket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:56 Angra wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:54 scarper65 wrote:
People complain about ghosts countering tier3, but if you realize this than why continue going tier 3?


because dude tier 3 is supposed to hard counter every tier below it!!!!!11

and if not then it's imbalanced!!!!

Because Zerg Lair tech cannot touch maxed marine tank. Adding ghosts into the mix only makes it harder for ling bling because ghosts are fearsome fighting units.

When Zerg loses for going lair tech all game, people say 'lol needed infestor brood lord. When Zerg techs to Hive and Terran reacts, people go 'make lingoes nooooooob).


There's more to the game than getting the right unit composition out.

Also, there is such a thing as transitioning from hive tech back to hatchery tech units depending on the situation.

There is no such thing as a tier progression battle in this game. You build what unit you need and most units are useful.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 23 2011 01:16 GMT
#6134
The tournament as a whole was curiously run very very poor. Poor decisions on what matches to cast. Bad decisions to include close spawn maps. Everything else was stellar. GSL finals were outstanding and I hope blizzard learns how to run a tournament now that every GSL staff member was there to show them how it is done.
twitch.tv/medrea
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
October 23 2011 01:16 GMT
#6135
On October 23 2011 10:15 Xadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 10:09 Ilintar wrote:
Okay, I seriously don't see how people are claiming this game was a) bad, b) fixed. You have a game where the top pros are basically executing a dance of strategies and counters for 40 minutes and you claim the game was rigged because one of them came up on top?

To address the most common points:

1) Why didn't Nestea just make spines everywhere?
He did, MVP just picked them out one by one. You're so focused on Nestea "donating" Brood Lords, you're seemingly forgetting about the dozen or so drops MVP threw away before he actually started chipping into the zerg empire.

2) Why did Nestea just attack with mass Brood Lords?
He was probably actually counting on overpowering the ghost army - if he managed to kill those, he could basically demolish MVP's entire ground defense since remaking the ghosts would take such a huge amount of time. It might've worked, too, if not for the 15 or so vikings. There are only so many snipes the ghosts have energy for.

3) Why the doomdrop?
A lot of people are contradicting themselves here. First you say Nestea was stupid for not trading armies, then you criticize the doomdrop - for Nestea, this was probably the perceived most cost-efficient way of trading armies. He probably didn't take into consideration how quickly his overlords would get sniped.

4) Why not just make a ton of lings and throw them at the ghosts?
Because MVP had sensor towers and the ghosts were behind a nice line of PFs and siege tanks. Reportedly, mass lings don't do too well vs. either.

5) Why not just wait, bank minerals, save larvas and prepare for the terran attack?
That's exactly what Nestea tried to do. For quite a long time, he succeeded - he repelled all the drops and managed to defend the bottom expo. The problem is, once he let some drops do damage, his entire defense began to unravel due to the multitasking demands.


But you cant explain why he didnt rebuild his bases after losing them to drops despite having more than enough minerals banked.


it might have something to do with having 14k minerals banked and being nuked in three seperate locations at once?
The Show of a Lifetime
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 23 2011 01:17 GMT
#6136
On October 23 2011 09:47 Angra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:45 tlrocksss wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:43 freewareplayer wrote:
A tier 2 unit countering a tier 3 unit is ok, but a tier 2 unit countering the complete tier 3 of a race is not right no matter how you look at it

It's countered by the tier 1......


Ghost counter lings.


lol?

and immortals counter mutas

see i can make up shit too

Okay let's say you have 8 ghosts, send 50 lings to get them. Ghosts snipe the overseers and then the ghosts 2-shot lings while being cloaked. Really, how do lings even counter them?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
tns
Profile Joined June 2011
1054 Posts
October 23 2011 01:17 GMT
#6137
when you're on TV everything has to be positive, you have to smile, to congratz, to say that the last game was so amazing...

But I think it wasn't a given game on purpose... when his greater spire was done... He had enough BL but went for the production facilities... and that was game... he killed a CC, few buildings... not much... the ghosts saved the base but MVP lost almost nothing of his army

That was the wrong decision... that was supposed to be the fight with these BL... where was the fight?

For every Zerg and NesTea fans... yes that last game was so poor... these tanks at the center map were there forever... there wasn't even a PF when he morphed the BL

Then he tried Nydus, switched to Ultra and did a doom drop to kill supply depots and a rax or two...
same thing he almost killed nothing of the army...

why sacrificing his army for few buildings when army are never trade...

Maybe NesTea was pissed off himself when he knew he would not win vs a max terran who never lost his center position (his tanks in other words...)

that game was poor... because we expected so much from the god of zerg... T^T
NesTea might want to wait till HotS before beeing bonjwa because wol if for terrans (ha ha...)
firebathero miss u♥! http://youtu.be/AXkoG9GnpcM - 1998/11/30 to 2001/05/18 BW stabilized! - WoL v.alpha HotS v.beta LotD v.gamma... summer 2017 SC3 (sc1remastered)
Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2846 Posts
October 23 2011 01:17 GMT
#6138
On October 23 2011 10:16 PaeZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 10:15 tkRage wrote:
On October 23 2011 10:15 Zane wrote:
On October 23 2011 10:14 Medrea wrote:
On October 23 2011 10:12 SpiZe wrote:
I'm sure if I understand correctly... Nestea got booed ?


No david kim did. he was accompanying nestea.

Why did they boo DK?

lol only a romanian would ask that question.


I would also like to know why, no need to be mean

Because David Kim is in charge of balancing, and a lot of people are unhappy with the current situation. Totally not the right way to vent such frustration though, really.
Paperplane
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands1823 Posts
October 23 2011 01:17 GMT
#6139
On October 23 2011 10:15 tkRage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 10:15 Zane wrote:
On October 23 2011 10:14 Medrea wrote:
On October 23 2011 10:12 SpiZe wrote:
I'm sure if I understand correctly... Nestea got booed ?


No david kim did. he was accompanying nestea.

Why did they boo DK?

lol only a romanian would ask that question.


.... really now bro?
tranmillitary
Profile Joined August 2011
210 Posts
October 23 2011 01:17 GMT
#6140
On October 23 2011 10:15 Xadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 10:09 Ilintar wrote:
Okay, I seriously don't see how people are claiming this game was a) bad, b) fixed. You have a game where the top pros are basically executing a dance of strategies and counters for 40 minutes and you claim the game was rigged because one of them came up on top?

To address the most common points:

1) Why didn't Nestea just make spines everywhere?
He did, MVP just picked them out one by one. You're so focused on Nestea "donating" Brood Lords, you're seemingly forgetting about the dozen or so drops MVP threw away before he actually started chipping into the zerg empire.

2) Why did Nestea just attack with mass Brood Lords?
He was probably actually counting on overpowering the ghost army - if he managed to kill those, he could basically demolish MVP's entire ground defense since remaking the ghosts would take such a huge amount of time. It might've worked, too, if not for the 15 or so vikings. There are only so many snipes the ghosts have energy for.

3) Why the doomdrop?
A lot of people are contradicting themselves here. First you say Nestea was stupid for not trading armies, then you criticize the doomdrop - for Nestea, this was probably the perceived most cost-efficient way of trading armies. He probably didn't take into consideration how quickly his overlords would get sniped.

4) Why not just make a ton of lings and throw them at the ghosts?
Because MVP had sensor towers and the ghosts were behind a nice line of PFs and siege tanks. Reportedly, mass lings don't do too well vs. either.

5) Why not just wait, bank minerals, save larvas and prepare for the terran attack?
That's exactly what Nestea tried to do. For quite a long time, he succeeded - he repelled all the drops and managed to defend the bottom expo. The problem is, once he let some drops do damage, his entire defense began to unravel due to the multitasking demands.


But you cant explain why he didnt rebuild his bases after losing them to drops despite having more than enough minerals banked.


He did, are u dumb?? watch the game again. MVP kept dropping constantly at the bottom expos.

What was NEstea supposed to do against that defense?? keep sending non stop units to die then die???
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