EPTBlizzcon Day 2 - Page 306
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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word. TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players. - p4NDemik | ||
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McMonty
Canada379 Posts
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NNTP
Canada47 Posts
On October 23 2011 10:05 LetoAtreides82 wrote: No they don't, do you even play the game? Ghost are so much more expensive and they shoot slower than marines. The only terran ground unit that's worse against lings than ghosts are Thors without support. Actually, without detection, ghosts would wreck lings since they do extra damage to light units, They 2 shot lings. | ||
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tkRage
225 Posts
of course not. there you go. please, consider that for a few months while we wait for new gimmicky units to 'fix' our game. | ||
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
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vojnik
Macedonia923 Posts
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Stanlot
United States5742 Posts
On October 23 2011 10:08 QuantumPhysX wrote: What's with all the bitching? So what if MVP and Nestea didn't play a "serious" final? I mean, you guys DID enjoy it, right? And why should people care as to what MVP does with the money? LOL I think the point is a lot of people didn't enjoy it. I certainly didn't. | ||
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Daok
Germany97 Posts
On October 23 2011 10:10 purgerinho wrote: how much money MVP earned in this two days (GSL 2nd place + blizzcon 1st place) ? 75k | ||
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slicknav
1409 Posts
On October 23 2011 10:09 Ilintar wrote: Okay, I seriously don't see how people are claiming this game was a) bad, b) fixed. You have a game where the top pros are basically executing a dance of strategies and counters for 40 minutes and you claim the game was rigged because one of them came up on top? To address the most common points: 1) Why didn't Nestea just make spines everywhere? He did, MVP just picked them out one by one. You're so focused on Nestea "donating" Brood Lords, you're seemingly forgetting about the dozen or so drops MVP threw away before he actually started chipping into the zerg empire. 2) Why did Nestea just attack with mass Brood Lords? He was probably actually counting on overpowering the ghost army - if he managed to kill those, he could basically demolish MVP's entire ground defense since remaking the ghosts would take such a huge amount of time. It might've worked, too, if not for the 15 or so vikings. There are only so many snipes the ghosts have energy for. 3) Why the doomdrop? A lot of people are contradicting themselves here. First you say Nestea was stupid for not trading armies, then you criticize the doomdrop - for Nestea, this was probably the perceived most cost-efficient way of trading armies. He probably didn't take into consideration how quickly his overlords would get sniped. 4) Why not just make a ton of lings and throw them at the ghosts? Because MVP had sensor towers and the ghosts were behind a nice line of PFs and siege tanks. Reportedly, mass lings don't do too weel vs. either. 5) Why not just wait, bank minerals, save larvas and prepare for the terran attack? That's exactly what Nestea tried to do. For quite a long time, he succeeded - he repelled all the drops and managed to defend the bottom expo. The problem is, once he let some drops do damage, his entire defense began to unravel due to the multitasking demands. this is the most intelligent post in the past 50 pages. People need to read this. The game was not just about 1 unit being OP. It was several little things that built up the decisions made by both players. | ||
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Stanlot
United States5742 Posts
On October 23 2011 10:10 purgerinho wrote: how much money MVP earned in this two days (GSL 2nd place + blizzcon 1st place) ? 18k+50k? | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On October 23 2011 10:08 Erasme wrote: Hmmm except that you're wrong. I think that 27bl/6infestors cost way more gas than any terran/protoss composition. No what I am saying is if T gets Vikings, Ghosts, Tanks, Marines, PF they should destroy any Z comp. Its not about gas vs gas its about race+eco vs race+eco. Same for Toss, If they get 3/3 carriers, Archons, Templar, Stalker, Colossus, Mothership. | ||
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thebig1
248 Posts
On October 23 2011 10:08 QuantumPhysX wrote: What's with all the bitching? So what if MVP and Nestea didn't play a "serious" final? I mean, you guys DID enjoy it, right? And why should people care as to what MVP does with the money? LOL Some people, myself included, don't just get enjoyment from seeing large amounts of broodlords. They like seeing how the two players try to out smart and out position each other. MOST of the final game was just sitting around not really doing anything. I'd watch a series like MMA vs MVP 10 times than the NesTea vs MVP finals.. | ||
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Elurie
4716 Posts
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
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LetoAtreides82
United States1188 Posts
On October 23 2011 10:08 Elean wrote: 17 ghost are supposed to kill 27 broodlords ???? Have you even looked at the supply/cost of the units ? Just say that terran is supposed to win. Nestea had support, he had infestors and a couple of corruptors, but ghost counter that too. The main problem is Nestead didn't had dectectoin. I suppose the overseers were sniped. Nestea didn't bother bringing any with his broodlords. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
It's actually around 68~70k. GSL runner up is under 20k. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
And if anyone knows NesTea from his many games in the GSL etc. you know he does not get so flustered that he stopts trying like some players do, and that is exactly what he did here. He didn't rebuild buildings and lost hatches, he didn't attack or flank, ugh I just can't even bare to think about all the misshaps during that game... Either NesTea didn't care, had a panic attack of a magnitude we've never seen him have for no apparent reason, or he forfeited the game beforehand. He most definatly was not playing his normal NesTea level of gameplay and I think anyone with any basic knowledge of Starcraft II can admit that: A 3 time GSL champion does not build 27 broodlords and attack the most heavily fortified terran position on the whole map without any support, whilst not flanking nor (re)taking any expansions. Goodnight folks. | ||
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Rayansaki
Portugal1266 Posts
On October 23 2011 10:10 NNTP wrote: Actually, without detection, ghosts would wreck lings since they do extra damage to light units, They 2 shot lings. Troll. Without detection Banshee's also rape hydralisks and stalkers, ghosts own thors and battlecruisers and infestors beat everyone with patience. | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
I've never seen mvp with so much money without being maxed in a while. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On October 23 2011 10:09 Ilintar wrote: Okay, I seriously don't see how people are claiming this game was a) bad, b) fixed. You have a game where the top pros are basically executing a dance of strategies and counters for 40 minutes and you claim the game was rigged because one of them came up on top? To address the most common points: 1) Why didn't Nestea just make spines everywhere? He did, MVP just picked them out one by one. You're so focused on Nestea "donating" Brood Lords, you're seemingly forgetting about the dozen or so drops MVP threw away before he actually started chipping into the zerg empire. 2) Why did Nestea just attack with mass Brood Lords? He was probably actually counting on overpowering the ghost army - if he managed to kill those, he could basically demolish MVP's entire ground defense since remaking the ghosts would take such a huge amount of time. It might've worked, too, if not for the 15 or so vikings. There are only so many snipes the ghosts have energy for. 3) Why the doomdrop? A lot of people are contradicting themselves here. First you say Nestea was stupid for not trading armies, then you criticize the doomdrop - for Nestea, this was probably the perceived most cost-efficient way of trading armies. He probably didn't take into consideration how quickly his overlords would get sniped. 4) Why not just make a ton of lings and throw them at the ghosts? Because MVP had sensor towers and the ghosts were behind a nice line of PFs and siege tanks. Reportedly, mass lings don't do too weel vs. either. 5) Why not just wait, bank minerals, save larvas and prepare for the terran attack? That's exactly what Nestea tried to do. For quite a long time, he succeeded - he repelled all the drops and managed to defend the bottom expo. The problem is, once he let some drops do damage, his entire defense began to unravel due to the multitasking demands. QFT. i can understand balance whining, but people declaring it a fixed match just shows pure ignorance. you're looking at the easiest map in the game for terran to split in half and create a scenario like that, yet they expect nestea to attack into pforts and tanks. | ||
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dan1mal
Netherlands86 Posts
On October 23 2011 10:09 Ilintar wrote: Okay, I seriously don't see how people are claiming this game was a) bad, b) fixed. You have a game where the top pros are basically executing a dance of strategies and counters for 40 minutes and you claim the game was rigged because one of them came up on top? To address the most common points: 1) Why didn't Nestea just make spines everywhere? He did, MVP just picked them out one by one. You're so focused on Nestea "donating" Brood Lords, you're seemingly forgetting about the dozen or so drops MVP threw away before he actually started chipping into the zerg empire. 2) Why did Nestea just attack with mass Brood Lords? He was probably actually counting on overpowering the ghost army - if he managed to kill those, he could basically demolish MVP's entire ground defense since remaking the ghosts would take such a huge amount of time. It might've worked, too, if not for the 15 or so vikings. There are only so many snipes the ghosts have energy for. 3) Why the doomdrop? A lot of people are contradicting themselves here. First you say Nestea was stupid for not trading armies, then you criticize the doomdrop - for Nestea, this was probably the perceived most cost-efficient way of trading armies. He probably didn't take into consideration how quickly his overlords would get sniped. 4) Why not just make a ton of lings and throw them at the ghosts? Because MVP had sensor towers and the ghosts were behind a nice line of PFs and siege tanks. Reportedly, mass lings don't do too weel vs. either. 5) Why not just wait, bank minerals, save larvas and prepare for the terran attack? That's exactly what Nestea tried to do. For quite a long time, he succeeded - he repelled all the drops and managed to defend the bottom expo. The problem is, once he let some drops do damage, his entire defense began to unravel due to the multitasking demands. exactly f*cking this... | ||
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