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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word.

TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players.

- p4NDemik
McMonty
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada379 Posts
October 23 2011 01:10 GMT
#6101
That was such a dissapointing endgame. Those broodlords were useless.
NNTP
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada47 Posts
October 23 2011 01:10 GMT
#6102
On October 23 2011 10:05 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:45 tlrocksss wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:43 freewareplayer wrote:
A tier 2 unit countering a tier 3 unit is ok, but a tier 2 unit countering the complete tier 3 of a race is not right no matter how you look at it

It's countered by the tier 1......


Ghost counter lings.


No they don't, do you even play the game? Ghost are so much more expensive and they shoot slower than marines. The only terran ground unit that's worse against lings than ghosts are Thors without support.


Actually, without detection, ghosts would wreck lings since they do extra damage to light units, They 2 shot lings.
tkRage
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
225 Posts
October 23 2011 01:10 GMT
#6103
can anybody even comprehend what a map of this size would play out like in brood war?

of course not. there you go. please, consider that for a few months while we wait for new gimmicky units to 'fix' our game.
purgerinho
Profile Joined June 2008
Croatia919 Posts
October 23 2011 01:10 GMT
#6104
how much money MVP earned in this two days (GSL 2nd place + blizzcon 1st place) ?
SUMMARIZED (by DeMu): You CANNOT surprise a top level Protoss with a build
vojnik
Profile Joined October 2010
Macedonia923 Posts
October 23 2011 01:10 GMT
#6105
Koreans owning white dudes...
For the swarm!
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 01:13:05
October 23 2011 01:10 GMT
#6106
On October 23 2011 10:08 QuantumPhysX wrote:
What's with all the bitching?

So what if MVP and Nestea didn't play a "serious" final? I mean, you guys DID enjoy it, right?

And why should people care as to what MVP does with the money? LOL

I think the point is a lot of people didn't enjoy it. I certainly didn't.
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
Daok
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany97 Posts
October 23 2011 01:10 GMT
#6107
On October 23 2011 10:10 purgerinho wrote:
how much money MVP earned in this two days (GSL 2nd place + blizzcon 1st place) ?


75k
slicknav
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
October 23 2011 01:11 GMT
#6108
On October 23 2011 10:09 Ilintar wrote:
Okay, I seriously don't see how people are claiming this game was a) bad, b) fixed. You have a game where the top pros are basically executing a dance of strategies and counters for 40 minutes and you claim the game was rigged because one of them came up on top?

To address the most common points:

1) Why didn't Nestea just make spines everywhere?
He did, MVP just picked them out one by one. You're so focused on Nestea "donating" Brood Lords, you're seemingly forgetting about the dozen or so drops MVP threw away before he actually started chipping into the zerg empire.

2) Why did Nestea just attack with mass Brood Lords?
He was probably actually counting on overpowering the ghost army - if he managed to kill those, he could basically demolish MVP's entire ground defense since remaking the ghosts would take such a huge amount of time. It might've worked, too, if not for the 15 or so vikings. There are only so many snipes the ghosts have energy for.

3) Why the doomdrop?
A lot of people are contradicting themselves here. First you say Nestea was stupid for not trading armies, then you criticize the doomdrop - for Nestea, this was probably the perceived most cost-efficient way of trading armies. He probably didn't take into consideration how quickly his overlords would get sniped.

4) Why not just make a ton of lings and throw them at the ghosts?
Because MVP had sensor towers and the ghosts were behind a nice line of PFs and siege tanks. Reportedly, mass lings don't do too weel vs. either.

5) Why not just wait, bank minerals, save larvas and prepare for the terran attack?
That's exactly what Nestea tried to do. For quite a long time, he succeeded - he repelled all the drops and managed to defend the bottom expo. The problem is, once he let some drops do damage, his entire defense began to unravel due to the multitasking demands.



this is the most intelligent post in the past 50 pages. People need to read this. The game was not just about 1 unit being OP. It was several little things that built up the decisions made by both players.
blah blah blah...
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
October 23 2011 01:11 GMT
#6109
On October 23 2011 10:10 purgerinho wrote:
how much money MVP earned in this two days (GSL 2nd place + blizzcon 1st place) ?

18k+50k?
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 01:12:45
October 23 2011 01:11 GMT
#6110
On October 23 2011 10:08 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 10:05 Eppa! wrote:
On October 23 2011 10:02 Micket wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:56 Angra wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:54 scarper65 wrote:
People complain about ghosts countering tier3, but if you realize this than why continue going tier 3?


because dude tier 3 is supposed to hard counter every tier below it!!!!!11

and if not then it's imbalanced!!!!

Because Zerg Lair tech cannot touch maxed marine tank. Adding ghosts into the mix only makes it harder for ling bling because ghosts are fearsome fighting units.

When Zerg loses for going lair tech all game, people say 'lol needed infestor brood lord. When Zerg techs to Hive and Terran reacts, people go 'make lingoes nooooooob).

What people should see is that a 200/200 heavy gas beating Z at 200/200 any setup can be balanced. A 200/200 Mech T vs 200/200 Z in BW Terran would destroy Z.

In SC2 you need to control T army size and gas income.

Hmmm except that you're wrong. I think that 27bl/6infestors cost way more gas than any terran/protoss composition.

No what I am saying is if T gets Vikings, Ghosts, Tanks, Marines, PF they should destroy any Z comp. Its not about gas vs gas its about race+eco vs race+eco.

Same for Toss, If they get 3/3 carriers, Archons, Templar, Stalker, Colossus, Mothership.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
thebig1
Profile Joined March 2011
248 Posts
October 23 2011 01:12 GMT
#6111
On October 23 2011 10:08 QuantumPhysX wrote:
What's with all the bitching?

So what if MVP and Nestea didn't play a "serious" final? I mean, you guys DID enjoy it, right?

And why should people care as to what MVP does with the money? LOL



Some people, myself included, don't just get enjoyment from seeing large amounts of broodlords. They like seeing how the two players try to out smart and out position each other. MOST of the final game was just sitting around not really doing anything.

I'd watch a series like MMA vs MVP 10 times than the NesTea vs MVP finals..
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
October 23 2011 01:12 GMT
#6112
That was some hilarious troll music when they introduced the GSL Oct. Champion.
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
October 23 2011 01:12 GMT
#6113
I'm sure if I understand correctly... Nestea got booed ?
LetoAtreides82
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1188 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 01:12:32
October 23 2011 01:12 GMT
#6114
On October 23 2011 10:08 Elean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 10:03 Pr0wler wrote:
Are you guys serious ? Nestea made 27 broodlords without support vs ghost and vikings... and you found imbalance here ? 17 ghosts are SUPPOSE to kill 27 broodlords... Just like banelings kill marines. With 10k in the bank Nestea could easily remax 2 times with ling/baneling and simply kill everything. Terran can't reproduce that fast.

17 ghost are supposed to kill 27 broodlords ????

Have you even looked at the supply/cost of the units ? Just say that terran is supposed to win.

Nestea had support, he had infestors and a couple of corruptors, but ghost counter that too.


The main problem is Nestead didn't had dectectoin. I suppose the overseers were sniped.


Nestea didn't bother bringing any with his broodlords.
The spice must flow
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 23 2011 01:12 GMT
#6115
On October 23 2011 10:10 Daok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 10:10 purgerinho wrote:
how much money MVP earned in this two days (GSL 2nd place + blizzcon 1st place) ?


75k

It's actually around 68~70k. GSL runner up is under 20k.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
October 23 2011 01:12 GMT
#6116
Well last post of the night, I still can't believe when rewatching it and checking the game and watching the minimap/resources that NesTea was not deliberately underplaying or underperforming. He was just not doing this correctly or even doing them at all, during his doomdrop he literally dropped banelings on tanks and building... and then just stopt: He had the overlords selected, nothing else on the minimap happening, and yet he did not follow and drop on the ghosts. There is no logic here.

And if anyone knows NesTea from his many games in the GSL etc. you know he does not get so flustered that he stopts trying like some players do, and that is exactly what he did here. He didn't rebuild buildings and lost hatches, he didn't attack or flank, ugh I just can't even bare to think about all the misshaps during that game... Either NesTea didn't care, had a panic attack of a magnitude we've never seen him have for no apparent reason, or he forfeited the game beforehand.

He most definatly was not playing his normal NesTea level of gameplay and I think anyone with any basic knowledge of Starcraft II can admit that: A 3 time GSL champion does not build 27 broodlords and attack the most heavily fortified terran position on the whole map without any support, whilst not flanking nor (re)taking any expansions.

Goodnight folks.
My Comment Doesnt Matter Because No One Reads It
Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
October 23 2011 01:12 GMT
#6117
On October 23 2011 10:10 NNTP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 10:05 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:45 tlrocksss wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:43 freewareplayer wrote:
A tier 2 unit countering a tier 3 unit is ok, but a tier 2 unit countering the complete tier 3 of a race is not right no matter how you look at it

It's countered by the tier 1......


Ghost counter lings.


No they don't, do you even play the game? Ghost are so much more expensive and they shoot slower than marines. The only terran ground unit that's worse against lings than ghosts are Thors without support.


Actually, without detection, ghosts would wreck lings since they do extra damage to light units, They 2 shot lings.


Troll. Without detection Banshee's also rape hydralisks and stalkers, ghosts own thors and battlecruisers and infestors beat everyone with patience.
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: IMNestea (Death), IMLosirA (Famine), IMmvp (War), IMFenix (Conquest)
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
October 23 2011 01:12 GMT
#6118
People who say only nestea played really bad, mvp had something like 800minerals he didn't use between 10-15min.

I've never seen mvp with so much money without being maxed in a while.

Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
October 23 2011 01:13 GMT
#6119
On October 23 2011 10:09 Ilintar wrote:
Okay, I seriously don't see how people are claiming this game was a) bad, b) fixed. You have a game where the top pros are basically executing a dance of strategies and counters for 40 minutes and you claim the game was rigged because one of them came up on top?

To address the most common points:

1) Why didn't Nestea just make spines everywhere?
He did, MVP just picked them out one by one. You're so focused on Nestea "donating" Brood Lords, you're seemingly forgetting about the dozen or so drops MVP threw away before he actually started chipping into the zerg empire.

2) Why did Nestea just attack with mass Brood Lords?
He was probably actually counting on overpowering the ghost army - if he managed to kill those, he could basically demolish MVP's entire ground defense since remaking the ghosts would take such a huge amount of time. It might've worked, too, if not for the 15 or so vikings. There are only so many snipes the ghosts have energy for.

3) Why the doomdrop?
A lot of people are contradicting themselves here. First you say Nestea was stupid for not trading armies, then you criticize the doomdrop - for Nestea, this was probably the perceived most cost-efficient way of trading armies. He probably didn't take into consideration how quickly his overlords would get sniped.

4) Why not just make a ton of lings and throw them at the ghosts?
Because MVP had sensor towers and the ghosts were behind a nice line of PFs and siege tanks. Reportedly, mass lings don't do too weel vs. either.

5) Why not just wait, bank minerals, save larvas and prepare for the terran attack?
That's exactly what Nestea tried to do. For quite a long time, he succeeded - he repelled all the drops and managed to defend the bottom expo. The problem is, once he let some drops do damage, his entire defense began to unravel due to the multitasking demands.



QFT. i can understand balance whining, but people declaring it a fixed match just shows pure ignorance. you're looking at the easiest map in the game for terran to split in half and create a scenario like that, yet they expect nestea to attack into pforts and tanks.
The Show of a Lifetime
dan1mal
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands86 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 01:13:28
October 23 2011 01:13 GMT
#6120
On October 23 2011 10:09 Ilintar wrote:
Okay, I seriously don't see how people are claiming this game was a) bad, b) fixed. You have a game where the top pros are basically executing a dance of strategies and counters for 40 minutes and you claim the game was rigged because one of them came up on top?

To address the most common points:

1) Why didn't Nestea just make spines everywhere?
He did, MVP just picked them out one by one. You're so focused on Nestea "donating" Brood Lords, you're seemingly forgetting about the dozen or so drops MVP threw away before he actually started chipping into the zerg empire.

2) Why did Nestea just attack with mass Brood Lords?
He was probably actually counting on overpowering the ghost army - if he managed to kill those, he could basically demolish MVP's entire ground defense since remaking the ghosts would take such a huge amount of time. It might've worked, too, if not for the 15 or so vikings. There are only so many snipes the ghosts have energy for.

3) Why the doomdrop?
A lot of people are contradicting themselves here. First you say Nestea was stupid for not trading armies, then you criticize the doomdrop - for Nestea, this was probably the perceived most cost-efficient way of trading armies. He probably didn't take into consideration how quickly his overlords would get sniped.

4) Why not just make a ton of lings and throw them at the ghosts?
Because MVP had sensor towers and the ghosts were behind a nice line of PFs and siege tanks. Reportedly, mass lings don't do too weel vs. either.

5) Why not just wait, bank minerals, save larvas and prepare for the terran attack?
That's exactly what Nestea tried to do. For quite a long time, he succeeded - he repelled all the drops and managed to defend the bottom expo. The problem is, once he let some drops do damage, his entire defense began to unravel due to the multitasking demands.



exactly f*cking this...
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