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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word.

TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players.

- p4NDemik
PrimeTimey
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada369 Posts
October 23 2011 01:05 GMT
#6061
On October 23 2011 10:03 unsaintly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 10:01 PrimeTimey wrote:
Nestea has become the number one SC2 earner in prize winnings, he has won over $225,000 - http://www.sc2earnings.com/player/123/lim-jae-duk

That's NesTea..
e: ok you saw it yourself :D


Big typo, thanks tho!
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
October 23 2011 01:05 GMT
#6062
On October 23 2011 09:59 Terranist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 09:57 Al Bundy wrote:
Guys you should calm down and think rationally. Zerglings are good against ghosts, it's a fact, and it says so in the in-game help menu.
Also look at the liquipedia (Wiki)Ghost "weak against: zergling"


well the archon also supposedly owns mutalisks too.


Ultras counter marauders too apparently.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
luckybeni2
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1065 Posts
October 23 2011 01:05 GMT
#6063
On October 23 2011 09:54 j0ker wrote:
anyone whining about ghosts is conveniently ignoring nestea 1) staying on 90+ drones for too long 2) nestea failing to inject late game and keep up the production to remax with his 11k/6k bank 3) nestea utterly botching his doom drop 4) nestea REPEATEDLY failing to multitask enough to pull drones away from nukes 5) nestea wasting 15 spines in the center while his tech and production got ravaged by tiny drops and most of all 6) nestea making 25 broodlords against a primarily ghost viking army and not supporting them with ANYTHING when he engaged. nestea completely botched that game and mvps control and multitasking was simply better throughout. theres no point in going to 90+ drones and quickly maxing if you are going to let the terran split the map without a fight.

I think noone really disagrees that nestea should have lost that game the way he played. But that does not take away from the fact that ghosts are too good of a unit. The cloaking ability combined with snipe and emp makes them a too usefull unit. They are like Ghosts frombw combined with science vessels and a sniping ability. Let the emp go in the raven and make it a projectile and everything would be fine.
LetoAtreides82
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1188 Posts
October 23 2011 01:05 GMT
#6064
On October 23 2011 09:45 tlrocksss wrote:
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On October 23 2011 09:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:43 freewareplayer wrote:
A tier 2 unit countering a tier 3 unit is ok, but a tier 2 unit countering the complete tier 3 of a race is not right no matter how you look at it

It's countered by the tier 1......


Ghost counter lings.


No they don't, do you even play the game? Ghost are so much more expensive and they shoot slower than marines. The only terran ground unit that's worse against lings than ghosts are Thors without support.
The spice must flow
PaeZ
Profile Joined April 2005
Mexico1627 Posts
October 23 2011 01:05 GMT
#6065
On October 23 2011 10:04 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
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On October 23 2011 10:02 PaeZ wrote:
On October 23 2011 10:01 Canucklehead wrote:
Man that game was so amazing. I dare anyone to name a bw game that good, cause it doesn't exist. Bisu and co must have been watching that with envy.


this is one of the most stupid posts I have seen in years, nice troll


his profile says : Joined TL.net, Sunday, 6th of March 2011


Now that explains everything, thanks for lighting that up.
ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
October 23 2011 01:05 GMT
#6066
if you play protoss and are afraid of ghost, here you see the same way zerg die to them.

Heart of the Swarm and Legacy of the Void should be renamed to Aliens United. There, zerg and protoss units will all merge and become the ultimate allies to defeat the good and powerful terran.

All units will then have regen + shields. perfect.
| Idra | YuGiOh | Leenock | Coca |
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
October 23 2011 01:05 GMT
#6067
On October 23 2011 10:02 Micket wrote:
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On October 23 2011 09:56 Angra wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:54 scarper65 wrote:
People complain about ghosts countering tier3, but if you realize this than why continue going tier 3?


because dude tier 3 is supposed to hard counter every tier below it!!!!!11

and if not then it's imbalanced!!!!

Because Zerg Lair tech cannot touch maxed marine tank. Adding ghosts into the mix only makes it harder for ling bling because ghosts are fearsome fighting units.

When Zerg loses for going lair tech all game, people say 'lol needed infestor brood lord. When Zerg techs to Hive and Terran reacts, people go 'make lingoes nooooooob).

What people should see is that a 200/200 heavy gas beating Z at 200/200 any setup can be balanced. A 200/200 Mech T vs 200/200 Z in BW Terran would destroy Z.

In SC2 you need to control T army size and gas income.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
hysterial
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2044 Posts
October 23 2011 01:06 GMT
#6068
xCenasfu
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland143 Posts
October 23 2011 01:06 GMT
#6069
On October 23 2011 10:03 Pr0wler wrote:
Are you guys serious ? Nestea made 27 broodlords without support vs ghost and vikings... and you found imbalance here ? 17 ghosts are SUPPOSE to kill 27 broodlords... Just like banelings kill marines. With 10k in the bank Nestea could easily remax 2 times with ling/baneling and simply kill anything. Terran can't reproduce that fast.


bs..

Ghosts are supposed to be strong against:
* High Templar
* Raven
* Infestor

Theyre not supposed to be killing t3 units with impunity


User was temp banned for this post.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
October 23 2011 01:06 GMT
#6070
Can't help but think that IdrA vs. Bomber was more exciting and displayed higher levels of skill from both players than Nestea vs.MVP. Blizzard maps perhaps. I mean, MVP played great after getting demolished by Nestea's prepared build orders, but Nestea just seemed outclassed after his BO wins.
dynabetes
Profile Joined December 2010
United States36 Posts
October 23 2011 01:06 GMT
#6071
On October 23 2011 10:01 RudePlague wrote:
MVP admits Terran is OP. Nestea knows Terran is OP. They got together and rigged that last game to prove to Blizzard how OP it is so that they'll do something about it.

Obviously.

User was temp banned for this post.


that

User was temp banned for this post.
i'm not here for a long time, i'm here for a good time.
Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
October 23 2011 01:06 GMT
#6072
That last game seemed super fake. Way too many novice mistakes made. Maybe NesTea was just cracking up under the pressure and maybe MVP just wanted it more, but I just had a weird feeling watching that game.
Chameleons Cast No Shadows
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
October 23 2011 01:06 GMT
#6073
On October 23 2011 10:03 Pr0wler wrote:
Are you guys serious ? Nestea made 27 broodlords without support vs ghost and vikings... and you found imbalance here ? 17 ghosts are SUPPOSE to kill 27 broodlords... Just like banelings kill marines. With 10k in the bank Nestea could easily remax 2 times with ling/baneling and simply kill everything. Terran can't reproduce that fast.


You would be right except larva. To remax 2 times with ling/bling you would need over 300 larva...
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 23 2011 01:06 GMT
#6074
On October 23 2011 10:01 Goibon wrote:
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On October 23 2011 10:00 windsupernova wrote:
On October 23 2011 09:57 Goibon wrote:
Can anyone recommend me a pro level game where a Zerg has a good amount of coin banked, and attempts to break a Terran siege/ghost line using units which aren't Ultra/Brood? I don't care if they succeed or not, i just want to see if such a game exists.


Puma vs Idra at IEM. Turtle Terran vs Zerg. Idra won, and yeah Puma had Ghosts

Awesome, thanks, i'll look into it. Did Idra use Ling/Bling or what?


Mass Mutas. MASS MUTAS

He did transition to rier 3 but the game was almost over by then
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
October 23 2011 01:07 GMT
#6075
On October 23 2011 10:05 ThePlayer33 wrote:
if you play protoss and are afraid of ghost, here you see the same way zerg die to them.

Heart of the Swarm and Legacy of the Void should be renamed to Aliens United. There, zerg and protoss units will all merge and become the ultimate allies to defeat the good and powerful terran.

All units will then have regen + shields. perfect.

I can has hybrid?
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
slicknav
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
October 23 2011 01:07 GMT
#6076
On October 23 2011 10:06 xCenasfu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 10:03 Pr0wler wrote:
Are you guys serious ? Nestea made 27 broodlords without support vs ghost and vikings... and you found imbalance here ? 17 ghosts are SUPPOSE to kill 27 broodlords... Just like banelings kill marines. With 10k in the bank Nestea could easily remax 2 times with ling/baneling and simply kill anything. Terran can't reproduce that fast.


bs..

Ghosts are supposed to be strong against:
* High Templar
* Raven
* Infestor

Theyre not supposed to be killing t3 units with impunity


please explain why ghosts are strong against ravens?
blah blah blah...
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
October 23 2011 01:07 GMT
#6077
Well all in all..this tournament was shit. As I expected from watching blizzcon last year it was bound to disappoint. Nestea vs. MVP was decent I suppose....except for the later stages of that last game.

Didn't even get to MVTea until the next day on stream. Huge downtimes. AND THE MAPS >_< arrrghhhh

Nestea vs MVP final in gsl November and MLG Providence (lawl open bracket) hopefully.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
StarcraftGuy4U
Profile Joined May 2010
United States74 Posts
October 23 2011 01:07 GMT
#6078
Poll: Was that final match "rigged"?

The fix was in (54)
 
61%

They both played legitimately (28)
 
31%

I'm not sure (7)
 
8%

89 total votes

Your vote: Was that final match "rigged"?

(Vote): The fix was in
(Vote): They both played legitimately
(Vote): I'm not sure



I just want to see what the consensus is, personally I wanted Nestea to win so at first I was mad when he started losing, but after the fourth or fifth nuke, the 14k/4k in the bank, the drop where he didn't even unload all his units and then suicided the overlords... That's when I started thinking it was a showmatch.

I'm not sure how many people watch tournaments besides Blizzcon (I'd hope on TLnet that most of you watch a lot of tournaments) but have you EVER seen Nestea do a lategame like that? That's not just him playing beneath his level, that's like LeBron James getting dunked on by a middleschooler because he lifted the kid up to the hoop. He saw the ghost composition and he built 100% broodlords and then a-moved them in.

Also, MVP who pushed aggressively EVERY game took out alllllll those overlords and units in the drop, he's one of the best in the world, he knew where that left Nestea (supply blocked with little or no army) and does he push? No, he waits nicely for the brood lords to finish so they can have a grand finals showmatch battle in the middle of the map.

That's my opinion on the subject, just way too many fishy plays by both players.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 01:09:00
October 23 2011 01:07 GMT
#6079
On October 23 2011 10:06 xCenasfu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 10:03 Pr0wler wrote:
Are you guys serious ? Nestea made 27 broodlords without support vs ghost and vikings... and you found imbalance here ? 17 ghosts are SUPPOSE to kill 27 broodlords... Just like banelings kill marines. With 10k in the bank Nestea could easily remax 2 times with ling/baneling and simply kill anything. Terran can't reproduce that fast.


bs..

Ghosts are supposed to be strong against:
* High Templar
* Raven
* Infestor

Theyre not supposed to be killing t3 units with impunity

Archons should counter mutas and be weak vs immortals. LOGIC wins.


Is it strange for Nestea to get tilted in the final game of a long series?
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
NNTP
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada47 Posts
October 23 2011 01:08 GMT
#6080
On October 23 2011 10:05 purgerinho wrote:
something is strange because at one point nestea had 192/192 and then he dropped to 184/192 and back to 192/192.. he didn't make that one more overlord for around 3-5 minutes and that was something that even bronze player wouldn't do

ghosts are too sick, you can't deal with them in that phase of the game.. but nestea could finished it much earlier.. something is weird in that game


he should have burrowed move with infestors and fungal the cloaked ghosts and snipe them with his units. Also you can run banelings to where u see the snipes are coming from and detonate them. And finally, he had overseers that were not grouped in that attack. It was ridiculous how nestea threw away that game. He broke under pressure although he was ahead most of the game.
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