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sC vs TOP
This should be good
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99% of people who puss out of late night GSL do it during these 5 minute breaks.
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On October 20 2011 18:51 Gelenn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 18:46 Probe1 wrote:On Oct 20 2011 05:44 pdd wrote:
I didn't watch Lucky's IPL games, but how did he beat MMA, Ryung and Boxer again? Overall he played much better but he also had killer burrowed baneling bombs. That game- Lucky went for an early end and failed. End of story. Don't listen to "level of play" crap. He tried to do an early bust and it failed. The game ended there despite the replay ending several minutes later. This. Game was over after the failed bust.
Nah, Taeja threw a way a bunch of units so it was kind of even from there.
The only reason why I hate the Up/Downs is the sheer amount of breaks there seems to be. :S
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On October 20 2011 18:46 Treadmill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 18:44 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:43 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:41 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:39 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:38 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:37 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:35 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:34 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:31 Treadmill wrote:
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Noblesse decides to push but sC's much larger army destroys his. Noblesse gg's shortly after. sC wins. Game TwoMap:  Bel& Taeja vs  LuckyThe slayers terran spawns on the left side. The FXO zerg spawns on the right side. 3:00Both players opt for fast expansions at 15 supply, before other tech. Lucky goes for an extractor next while Taeja gts up his barracks. 6:00Taeja gets a second barracks while Lucky gets his spawning pool and researches speed once its done. Taeja adds 2 more barracks, going up to 4, and starts to add gas. Lucky gets another gas and drones. 7:30Lucky gets a baneling nest and builds a huge round of zerglings. Taeja has a wall of barracks and bunkers. 9:00Baneling Bust! The barracks wall goes down but the bunker behind it survives. Taega rebuilds his wall and gets a third CC. Lucky gets himself a third base. 12:00Taeja getting his starport and starts researching stimpack finally (he got combat shields first). He pushes across the map with his marines to try to cancel Lucky's third. Without stim, Taeja's marines die to the slings and slow banes and the hatch survives. Lucky starts his lair and Taeja start to add siege tanks. 14:30Taeja pushes again with stim and medivacs. Lucky catches him with his lings but Taeja picks up into his medivacs and gets away wiht most of his marines. Lucky builds a ton of ling/bane though he still doesnt have speed. He is building a spire. Taeja pushes and kills Lucky's army with good micro. Marines run rampant through the zerg base. 16:00Taeja didnt finish off Lucky's third. A reinforcement round of ling bane forces Taeja to lift off again. Taeja gets a blue mineral third and pushes Lucky's third again. 17:30Taeja kills Lucky's natural (not his third, whoops) with a few tanks and a lot of marines and medivacs. His position is too strong, Lucky tries uselessly to break it, fails, and GGs.
Game 3
Map: Terminus RE
sC vs TOP
TOP spawns in the 6 o'clock
sC spawns in the 3 o'clock
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On October 20 2011 18:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 18:50 Jehct wrote:On October 20 2011 18:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:
if lucky's plan is to try and baneling bust terrans on zerg favored maps then he's in for a rough time His execution was totally off, if he had engaged better he could have killed the bunker and taken out enough marines to do serious damage with a second wave. Ling baneling is something pure marine should never come out ahead against. There's no way. Taeja still had a 2nd bunker if you didn't see, still had like 20 marines left over, and going in with 4 or so banelings after he takes out one of the bunkers and some lings won't be enough. When you have that many marines available after the wall goes down with 2 bunkers your reinforcements aren't gonna do jack and he's just gonna rewall if there's a lull in his attack.
The second bunker was in a corner where Lucky never needed to engage. The 4 banelings he had could have killed the main bunker (he was 1 bane away) as well as 5-6 marines - flooded speedling is then enough to deny mining at the nat, and he can just continue to reinforce. He bungled the execution horribly.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Lets show these people how to Macro TOP!!!
Top FIGHTING
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On October 20 2011 18:50 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 18:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:
if lucky's plan is to try and baneling bust terrans on zerg favored maps then he's in for a rough time His execution was totally off, if he had engaged better he could have killed the bunker and taken out enough marines to do serious damage with a second wave. Ling baneling is something pure marine should never come out ahead against.
It should come out ahead with unstimed rines but with proper micro stimed rins can do quite well ageist ling bane baring them getting boxed into a corner.
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On October 20 2011 18:54 Treadmill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 18:46 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:44 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:43 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:41 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:39 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:38 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:37 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:35 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:34 Treadmill wrote:[quote] Game TwoMap: Bel&Taeja vs LuckyThe slayers terran spawns on the left side. The FXO zerg spawns on the right side. 3:00Both players opt for fast expansions at 15 supply, before other tech. Lucky goes for an extractor next while Taeja gts up his barracks. 6:00Taeja gets a second barracks while Lucky gets his spawning pool and researches speed once its done. Taeja adds 2 more barracks, going up to 4, and starts to add gas. Lucky gets another gas and drones. 7:30Lucky gets a baneling nest and builds a huge round of zerglings. Taeja has a wall of barracks and bunkers. 9:00Baneling Bust! The barracks wall goes down but the bunker behind it survives. Taega rebuilds his wall and gets a third CC. Lucky gets himself a third base. 12:00Taeja getting his starport and starts researching stimpack finally (he got combat shields first). He pushes across the map with his marines to try to cancel Lucky's third. Without stim, Taeja's marines die to the slings and slow banes and the hatch survives. Lucky starts his lair and Taeja start to add siege tanks. 14:30Taeja pushes again with stim and medivacs. Lucky catches him with his lings but Taeja picks up into his medivacs and gets away wiht most of his marines. Lucky builds a ton of ling/bane though he still doesnt have speed. He is building a spire. Taeja pushes and kills Lucky's army with good micro. Marines run rampant through the zerg base. 16:00Taeja didnt finish off Lucky's third. A reinforcement round of ling bane forces Taeja to lift off again. Taeja gets a blue mineral third and pushes Lucky's third again. 17:30Taeja kills Lucky's natural (not his third, whoops) with a few tanks and a lot of marines and medivacs. His position is too strong, Lucky tries uselessly to break it, fails, and GGs. Game 3Map: Terminus RE sC vs TOPTOP spawns in the 6 o'clock sC spawns in the 3 o'clock
2:30
Both players get 12-rax but no gas at 13, 1-rax expo for both probably.
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On October 20 2011 18:54 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 18:51 Gelenn wrote:On October 20 2011 18:46 Probe1 wrote:On Oct 20 2011 05:44 pdd wrote:
I didn't watch Lucky's IPL games, but how did he beat MMA, Ryung and Boxer again? Overall he played much better but he also had killer burrowed baneling bombs. That game- Lucky went for an early end and failed. End of story. Don't listen to "level of play" crap. He tried to do an early bust and it failed. The game ended there despite the replay ending several minutes later. This. Game was over after the failed bust. Nah, Taeja threw a way a bunch of units so it was kind of even from there. The only reason why I hate the Up/Downs is the sheer amount of breaks there seems to be. :S
Even after taeja lost all those marines he was still ahead. He had his production up, and Lucky's tech was just bad because he went for drones over lair. It's not a "if lucky had done X" instead situation because you can't drone and tech at the same time after you fail so hard.
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On October 20 2011 18:54 Quintum_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 18:50 Jehct wrote:On October 20 2011 18:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:
if lucky's plan is to try and baneling bust terrans on zerg favored maps then he's in for a rough time His execution was totally off, if he had engaged better he could have killed the bunker and taken out enough marines to do serious damage with a second wave. Ling baneling is something pure marine should never come out ahead against. It should come out ahead with unstimed rines but with proper micro stimed rins can do quite well ageist ling bane baring them getting boxed into a corner.
With combat shields & stim it can work, but at that point in the game you can only have 1 of the two (and he had combat shields). Even if you go stim first, lings just crush marines cost for cost. You just need to knock out the main bunker.
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On October 20 2011 18:55 Treadmill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 18:54 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:46 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:44 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:43 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:41 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:39 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:38 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:37 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:35 Treadmill wrote:
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3:00
Both players opt for fast expansions at 15 supply, before other tech. Lucky goes for an extractor next while Taeja gts up his barracks. 6:00Taeja gets a second barracks while Lucky gets his spawning pool and researches speed once its done. Taeja adds 2 more barracks, going up to 4, and starts to add gas. Lucky gets another gas and drones. 7:30Lucky gets a baneling nest and builds a huge round of zerglings. Taeja has a wall of barracks and bunkers. 9:00Baneling Bust! The barracks wall goes down but the bunker behind it survives. Taega rebuilds his wall and gets a third CC. Lucky gets himself a third base. 12:00Taeja getting his starport and starts researching stimpack finally (he got combat shields first). He pushes across the map with his marines to try to cancel Lucky's third. Without stim, Taeja's marines die to the slings and slow banes and the hatch survives. Lucky starts his lair and Taeja start to add siege tanks. 14:30Taeja pushes again with stim and medivacs. Lucky catches him with his lings but Taeja picks up into his medivacs and gets away wiht most of his marines. Lucky builds a ton of ling/bane though he still doesnt have speed. He is building a spire. Taeja pushes and kills Lucky's army with good micro. Marines run rampant through the zerg base. 16:00Taeja didnt finish off Lucky's third. A reinforcement round of ling bane forces Taeja to lift off again. Taeja gets a blue mineral third and pushes Lucky's third again. 17:30Taeja kills Lucky's natural (not his third, whoops) with a few tanks and a lot of marines and medivacs. His position is too strong, Lucky tries uselessly to break it, fails, and GGs. Game 3Map: Terminus RE sC vs TOPTOP spawns in the 6 o'clock sC spawns in the 3 o'clock 2:30Both players get 12-rax but no gas at 13, 1-rax expo for both probably.
4:30
The builds continue to mirror each other. They both drop their CC's though TOP's is at his natural whereas sC's is in his base; TOP adds 2 gas but sC adds only 1 and 2 more rax.
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On October 20 2011 18:50 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 18:47 FuzzyJAM wrote:On October 20 2011 18:45 Pandemona wrote:
God dammit please dont watch that game if you didn't that was awful T.T I thought it was nice. Taeja pretty much totally schooled Lucky and showed some neat decision making and micro. He held a bane bust...and decided to run into the zerg with un stimmed marines about 3 minutes after so the zerg would probably still be on Ling Bane...and he didnt have stim...ended up losing all his marines to the banelings with no micro......Then he though ah best get some Seige tanks upgrade and take a 3rd..which is how he won the game, but Lucky still had no clue what to do after his failed bane bust attempt and Taeja just beat him with Marine Seige....I think gold terrans beat zergs like that ".
Taeja actually split all his Marines fairly well, given he didn't have Stim. It was very cost efficient, he traded ~24 Marines for 2 Overlords and ~18 Banelings. That's well ahead for the Terran player. >.>
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On October 20 2011 18:56 Treadmill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 18:55 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:54 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:46 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:44 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:43 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:41 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:39 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:38 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:37 Treadmill wrote:
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6:00
Taeja gets a second barracks while Lucky gets his spawning pool and researches speed once its done. Taeja adds 2 more barracks, going up to 4, and starts to add gas. Lucky gets another gas and drones. 7:30Lucky gets a baneling nest and builds a huge round of zerglings. Taeja has a wall of barracks and bunkers. 9:00Baneling Bust! The barracks wall goes down but the bunker behind it survives. Taega rebuilds his wall and gets a third CC. Lucky gets himself a third base. 12:00Taeja getting his starport and starts researching stimpack finally (he got combat shields first). He pushes across the map with his marines to try to cancel Lucky's third. Without stim, Taeja's marines die to the slings and slow banes and the hatch survives. Lucky starts his lair and Taeja start to add siege tanks. 14:30Taeja pushes again with stim and medivacs. Lucky catches him with his lings but Taeja picks up into his medivacs and gets away wiht most of his marines. Lucky builds a ton of ling/bane though he still doesnt have speed. He is building a spire. Taeja pushes and kills Lucky's army with good micro. Marines run rampant through the zerg base. 16:00Taeja didnt finish off Lucky's third. A reinforcement round of ling bane forces Taeja to lift off again. Taeja gets a blue mineral third and pushes Lucky's third again. 17:30Taeja kills Lucky's natural (not his third, whoops) with a few tanks and a lot of marines and medivacs. His position is too strong, Lucky tries uselessly to break it, fails, and GGs. Game 3Map: Terminus RE sC vs TOPTOP spawns in the 6 o'clock sC spawns in the 3 o'clock 2:30Both players get 12-rax but no gas at 13, 1-rax expo for both probably. 4:30The builds continue to mirror each other. They both drop their CC's though TOP's is at his natural whereas sC's is in his base; TOP adds 2 gas but sC adds only 1 and 2 more rax.
6:00
TOP gets an earlier factory, sC is going bio-heavy with a tech lab. Top addas a reactor to his barracks, sC researches combat shields. TOP starts his starport.
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Sigh, 1 factory doesn't mean mech.. -__-
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Has Noblesse v Taeja been played, or is the order in the OP wrong?
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On October 20 2011 18:58 pdd wrote:
Sigh, 1 factory doesn't mean mech.. -__-
The calls tonight are fucking awful =/
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On October 20 2011 18:54 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 18:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:On October 20 2011 18:50 Jehct wrote:On October 20 2011 18:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:
if lucky's plan is to try and baneling bust terrans on zerg favored maps then he's in for a rough time His execution was totally off, if he had engaged better he could have killed the bunker and taken out enough marines to do serious damage with a second wave. Ling baneling is something pure marine should never come out ahead against. There's no way. Taeja still had a 2nd bunker if you didn't see, still had like 20 marines left over, and going in with 4 or so banelings after he takes out one of the bunkers and some lings won't be enough. When you have that many marines available after the wall goes down with 2 bunkers your reinforcements aren't gonna do jack and he's just gonna rewall if there's a lull in his attack. The second bunker was in a corner where Lucky never needed to engage. The 4 banelings he had could have killed the main bunker (he was 1 bane away) as well as 5-6 marines - flooded speedling is then enough to deny mining at the nat, and he can just continue to reinforce. He bungled the execution horribly.
he had more marines than lucky had zerglings. Just rewatch the game and you can see for yourself. There's a reason why it failed HORRIBLY and wasn't even remotely cloes, and that's because he went 15 CC into 4 rax and had a ton of marines. He's not gonna take out taeja's army with that.
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On October 20 2011 18:57 Treadmill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 18:56 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:55 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:54 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:46 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:44 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:43 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:41 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:39 Treadmill wrote:On October 20 2011 18:38 Treadmill wrote:
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7:30
Lucky gets a baneling nest and builds a huge round of zerglings. Taeja has a wall of barracks and bunkers.
9:00Baneling Bust! The barracks wall goes down but the bunker behind it survives. Taega rebuilds his wall and gets a third CC. Lucky gets himself a third base. 12:00Taeja getting his starport and starts researching stimpack finally (he got combat shields first). He pushes across the map with his marines to try to cancel Lucky's third. Without stim, Taeja's marines die to the slings and slow banes and the hatch survives. Lucky starts his lair and Taeja start to add siege tanks. 14:30Taeja pushes again with stim and medivacs. Lucky catches him with his lings but Taeja picks up into his medivacs and gets away wiht most of his marines. Lucky builds a ton of ling/bane though he still doesnt have speed. He is building a spire. Taeja pushes and kills Lucky's army with good micro. Marines run rampant through the zerg base. 16:00Taeja didnt finish off Lucky's third. A reinforcement round of ling bane forces Taeja to lift off again. Taeja gets a blue mineral third and pushes Lucky's third again. 17:30Taeja kills Lucky's natural (not his third, whoops) with a few tanks and a lot of marines and medivacs. His position is too strong, Lucky tries uselessly to break it, fails, and GGs. Game 3Map: Terminus RE sC vs TOPTOP spawns in the 6 o'clock sC spawns in the 3 o'clock 2:30Both players get 12-rax but no gas at 13, 1-rax expo for both probably. 4:30The builds continue to mirror each other. They both drop their CC's though TOP's is at his natural whereas sC's is in his base; TOP adds 2 gas but sC adds only 1 and 2 more rax. 6:00TOP gets an earlier factory, sC is going bio-heavy with a tech lab. Top addas a reactor to his barracks, sC researches combat shields. TOP starts his starport.
8:00
TOP starts to get a banshee and cloak. sC has built his factory and started stim. sC pushes witha lot of marines but pulls back when he sees TOP's bunker.
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On October 20 2011 18:58 Fyzar wrote:
Has Noblesse v Taeja been played, or is the order in the OP wrong?
Order probably changed because Noblesse and sC are teammates, and they change the order so that teammates play first and can't throw a match later on to let another teammate through.
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