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On October 10 2011 12:43 koolaid1990 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:36 cyclone25 wrote:
Let's do some simple math @ Stephano haters.
Results since September:
1) MMA 2-1 July, MMA 2-0 Nestea, MMA 2-1 Losira
2) Lucky 3-0 MMA
3) Stephano 4-0 Lucky
That means Stephano is worlds ahead of the koreans. Don't even try to argue on this because it's just basic mathematics. ok some more math. Lucifron 2-0 Stephano. DRG owned lucifron 2-0. So DRG is ages ahead of stephano. Stephano loses to Puma 1-2. Puma loses 2-0 to MMA thus MMA > Stephano right?
Last time they played MC beat Stephano, therefore: MC > Stephano and is our winner of IPL3. It's basic math guys, c'mon. While we're at it let's make some flow charts and circle jerk while analyzing them.
Done with this thread.
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On October 10 2011 12:44 Tewks44 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:42 ThisGS wrote:
IdrA wins IEM china:
"IdrA best foreigner"
Stephano wins IPL3, 10x harder to do, demolishing the player who knocked out IdrA:
"Stephano sux, he just got lucky"
"IdrA's play is clearly better"
and furthermore:
"Stephano is the best player in the world"
why cant ppl just enjoy what just happened. I agree entirely. I feel like in this tournament there are some very extreme views on both ends. I'm not trying to discredit Stephano but I think it's partically due to the fact he was far more unknown than IdrA. Not saying anything about his skill but before this tournament if you grouped Stephano into "best foreign zerg" you would probably be laughed it. With this (fairly unexpected) win there are going to be some pretty big reactions on both sides.
Why would you be laughed at when Stephano was #1 in the EU ladder? Who the heck would the best foreign zerg then?
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On October 10 2011 12:47 gizzzy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:43 koolaid1990 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:36 cyclone25 wrote:
Let's do some simple math @ Stephano haters.
Results since September:
1) MMA 2-1 July, MMA 2-0 Nestea, MMA 2-1 Losira
2) Lucky 3-0 MMA
3) Stephano 4-0 Lucky
That means Stephano is worlds ahead of the koreans. Don't even try to argue on this because it's just basic mathematics. ok some more math. Lucifron 2-0 Stephano. DRG owned lucifron 2-0. So DRG is ages ahead of stephano. Stephano loses to Puma 1-2. Puma loses 2-0 to MMA thus MMA > Stephano right? Last time they played MC beat Stephano, therefore: MC > Stephano and is our winner of IPL3. It's basic math guys, c'mon. While we're at it let's make some flow charts and circle jerk while analyzing them. Done with this thread.
Hahahaha.
Did this guy really just say "done with this thread" in his first post ever?
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On October 10 2011 12:42 Dante08 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:39 Resilient wrote:On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy. By even mentioning that, you're taking things away from his win. He defeated a lot of great players to qualify for IPL, then defeated a lot more great players to win the tournament. That's all there is to it. Ok I'll rephrase, hes a god dam amazing player and deserves the win 100%. I guess what Im saying is that I would have liked to see him play the better players in this tournament for example, MMA, Ryung Puma etc.
Those guys played like shit. You must not have been watching the games. Beating Lucky was a lot harder than it would have been beating those guys (two of which Lucky beat). On top of that ZvT is Stephano's best matchup. Your post is lousy.
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On October 10 2011 12:47 Tehs Tehklz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:43 koolaid1990 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:36 cyclone25 wrote:
Let's do some simple math @ Stephano haters.
Results since September:
1) MMA 2-1 July, MMA 2-0 Nestea, MMA 2-1 Losira
2) Lucky 3-0 MMA
3) Stephano 4-0 Lucky
That means Stephano is worlds ahead of the koreans. Don't even try to argue on this because it's just basic mathematics. ok some more math. Lucifron 2-0 Stephano. DRG owned lucifron 2-0. So DRG is ages ahead of stephano. Stephano loses to Puma 1-2. Puma loses 2-0 to MMA thus MMA > Stephano right? Don't forget MKP > DRG. So, MKP is ages ahead of Stephano, as well. Wait...
Not to mention Destiny 2 > 0 Bomber
and Bomber > MKP
So according to cyclones basic math
destiny is actually ages ahead of everyone
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you metion stephanos ladderrun.
--> ladder doesnt mean shit
you mention him raping the shit out of everyone in online cups
--> trololol online cups, he didnt win any major tournament
he wins the most stacked major tournament on foreign lands ever
--> he had gridluck
compared to HuK's dreamhack championship, stephano had to beat better players.
You could argue that he didnt play MMA, but... Lucky 3-0d MMA - do you think stephano wouldve lost him today?
Yes, MVP and Nestea would be favored against him! But if thats your argument, im fine.
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oop, we can see Stephano in Korea later this year, he's going to the Blizz Cup.
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Will there be replays of this tournament? Oh please please.
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On October 10 2011 12:43 koolaid1990 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:36 cyclone25 wrote:
Let's do some simple math @ Stephano haters.
Results since September:
1) MMA 2-1 July, MMA 2-0 Nestea, MMA 2-1 Losira
2) Lucky 3-0 MMA
3) Stephano 4-0 Lucky
That means Stephano is worlds ahead of the koreans. Don't even try to argue on this because it's just basic mathematics. ok some more math. Lucifron 2-0 Stephano. DRG owned lucifron 2-0. So DRG is ages ahead of stephano. Stephano loses to Puma 1-2. Puma loses 2-0 to MMA thus MMA > Stephano right?
Stephano won 2-0 vs Lucifron 3 days after that loss (so they're 2-2). His loss vs Puma was in August, not September.
Try again.
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On October 10 2011 12:43 koolaid1990 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:36 cyclone25 wrote:
Let's do some simple math @ Stephano haters.
Results since September:
1) MMA 2-1 July, MMA 2-0 Nestea, MMA 2-1 Losira
2) Lucky 3-0 MMA
3) Stephano 4-0 Lucky
That means Stephano is worlds ahead of the koreans. Don't even try to argue on this because it's just basic mathematics. ok some more math. Lucifron 2-0 Stephano. DRG owned lucifron 2-0. So DRG is ages ahead of stephano. Stephano loses to Puma 1-2. Puma loses 2-0 to MMA thus MMA > Stephano right?
stephano beat lucifron the last time they faced each other though. I would continue on with the trend but I dont know anyone lucifron has beat in recent times
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On October 10 2011 12:39 flojito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:29 msjakofsky wrote:On October 10 2011 12:23 fraktoasters wrote:On October 10 2011 12:19 MuseMike wrote:On October 10 2011 12:17 ClysmiC wrote:On October 10 2011 12:14 flojito wrote:On October 10 2011 12:10 msjakofsky wrote:On October 10 2011 12:06 Daniel C wrote:On October 10 2011 12:04 msjakofsky wrote:On October 10 2011 12:02 Daniel C wrote:[quote] Hence 25% for 3-0 or 0-3  nope... 12,5% for one player winning 3-0, it's not counted separately Yup, so there's 25% chance of either 3-0 or 0-3. do you really not understand? there is 50% chance that 1 player will counter the other in 1 match in 1 match if we flip the coins, there is 25% chance that they'll be both heads, 25% both tails and 50% for heads-tails- that includes both cases you're mentioning. with the same logic it's 50%*50%*50% in three matches, all possible outcomes included that's 12,5% not 25% You are completely misunderstanding the other guy's point. He is saying that, if we assume that a ZvZ really is a coinflip, there is 25% chance that one of the two players will be up 3-0 after three games. This is 100% true.Here is a more concrete example. Suppose that we say that the games between Lucky and Stephano were just coinflips (I know they weren't and Lucky got outplayed, but just assume that for now). Then there is a 12.5% chance that Stephano wins the first 3 games, and a 12.5% chance that Lucky wins the first 3 games. That means there is a 12.5% + 12.5% = 25% chance that one of the two will be up 3-0. Correct. Think of it like this: Bo1 has 100% chance of someone winning 1-0 Bo3 has 50% chance of someone winning 2-0 Bo5 has 25% chance of someone winning 3-0 The games are not independent. After losing a game or two a player may just play worse, therefore increasing the chances of a shutout. This whole thing is about one guy going it's 25% for 3-0 or 0-3, and other people saying it's 12.5% for a 3-0. Both are right, both are calculating different things, both are being too immature to explain their reasoning so people just keep on making stupid posts. not true if it's really coinflippy there is an 50% chance that they'll both roll the same, 25% that player 1 out-coinflips the other and 25% that player 2 out-coinflips player 1 that means that it's 25%^3 chance that player 1 will out-coinflip player 2 three times in a row and same chance for player 2 doing the same to player 1, both of them together is 12,5% the other guys were talking about the chances of a zero to three outcome which is an entirely different subject than 3 won coinflip vs coinflip in a row Ah, I see what you're talking about now. You're talking about a game where two players each have a coin which they flip, and then if the players flip the same thing you call it a tie, and if one player flips heads while the other flips tails then the heads player wins. In that case, the probability of player 1 winning three games in a row is (1/4)^3 = 1/64, so the probability of either player winning three in a row is 2 * 1/64 = 1/32 = 3.125%. The meaning of "coinflip" when used in ZvZ is a bit different though. You can't tie in SC2 (outside of very very rare circumstances), so when people say that ZvZ is a coinflip they mean that each player has about a 50% chance of winning.
yeah right actually my 12,5% includes those cases too when it's 3 coinflips in a row but not by the same player (for instance 2 coinflips won by player 1 and one by player 2), 3-0+0-3 coinflips chance is 6,25%
it's kinda puzzling that you say that about coinflip's meaning since there are a lot of players with 70%ish and 30%ish winrates at zvz, so why the hell would anyone think it's coinflippy as 50%? it makes more sense to me if you relate it with bo-wins as flipped coins hence my analogy
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Wow.. eat, sleep, sc2 all weekend! Hardly had time to make some food, besides from NASLSOUNDGUY and 2/3 of the caster's, really amazing event.
Stephanownage!
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Yeah for real. Huk is definitely code S quality player (please name other code S quality Protoss please) and Stephano beat him. Lucky just qualified for Up and Down for code S. And for the love of god, the gap between code S and code A (heck even many in code B) isn't huge - anyone can take a series off anyone. That's why code S players are so scared of Up and Down matches. (Hello, Inca)
You really can't discredit a foreigner win which even the Koreans applaud. Stephano was downright scary this weekend. Whether his dominating form will continue - who knows? But for now he has every right to be proud.
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On October 10 2011 12:49 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:43 koolaid1990 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:36 cyclone25 wrote:
Let's do some simple math @ Stephano haters.
Results since September:
1) MMA 2-1 July, MMA 2-0 Nestea, MMA 2-1 Losira
2) Lucky 3-0 MMA
3) Stephano 4-0 Lucky
That means Stephano is worlds ahead of the koreans. Don't even try to argue on this because it's just basic mathematics. ok some more math. Lucifron 2-0 Stephano. DRG owned lucifron 2-0. So DRG is ages ahead of stephano. Stephano loses to Puma 1-2. Puma loses 2-0 to MMA thus MMA > Stephano right? Stephano won 2-0 vs Lucifron 3 days after that loss (so they're 2-2). His loss vs Puma was in August, not September. Try again.
So you really are serious?
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Huk is definitely code S quality player (please name other code S quality Protoss please)
MC still code S to me. <3
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the late "gl; hf" from stephano after he blocked the 15 hatch was epic. lol (probably not intended)
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On October 10 2011 12:34 Darclite wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:27 koolaid1990 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:24 nvs. wrote:On October 10 2011 12:24 Darclite wrote:
I don't really understand the people who try to diminish a player's win the moment after he wins. What are you trying to accomplish?
"Stephano isn't good. He needs to beat Koreans. He did? Oh well that was online. That doesn't mean anything at all. He needs to win a LAN anyway. Oh he did? But...were Koreans there? Really? But not good ones right? Oh MMA, MC, Puma, Lucky, Violet, TheStC, Artist, Inori, Ryung, Boxer, Hero, Sleep, and Select were there...well...fuck you I don't like Stephano I'm not listening anymore lalalalalala."
Congratulations Stephano. Can we quote this and lock the thread. Sums it up nicely. Lets see, of the ones you mentioned, which koreans are the best out of those koreans? MMA, MC, Puma, and Ryung Yes stephano beat all of them in this offline lan event! oh wait... Guys, we need to get Stephano to 4-0 Polt, MVP, Keen, Huk, Top, MC, July, Genius, Ryung, MMA, Zenio, Nestea, Puzzle, Bomber, Virus, Nada, Hongun, Happy, Killer, asd, Clide, Noblesse, Coca, Alive, Ensnare, Supernova, Losira, Taeja, Leenock, Marineking, Jjakji, Dongraegu, Oz, Gumiho, Sage, sC, Lucky, Curious, Byun, Alicia, JYP, Yugioh, and Ganzi. It needs to be at a lan or it doesn't count, and he can't cheese even if they expand at 15 or it doesn't count, and he needs to play with one hand and blindfolded or it doesn't count. Otherwise he sucks.
Way too easy, no way he can be considered good if he achieves only that.
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On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy. The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it. Yeah, it's really sad, imo. No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them. And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?
I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.
While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.
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On October 10 2011 12:50 usethis2 wrote:
Yeah for real. Huk is definitely code S quality player (please name other code S quality Protoss please) and Stephano beat him. Lucky just qualified for Up and Down for code S. And for the love of god, the gap between code S and code A (heck even many in code B) isn't huge - anyone can take a series off anyone. That's why code S players are so scared of Up and Down matches. (Hello, Inca)
You really can't discredit a foreigner win which even the Koreans applaud. Stephano was downright scary this weekend. Whether his dominating form will continue - who knows? But for now he has every right to be proud.
his domination goes on for 2 months now, but some ppl need "major tournament results" to register stuff like that.
When he 3-0s Kas with lings only in a weekly cup, no1 seems to give a shit about it. Yet, no other foreigner right now could do stuff like that, or his 64-1 ladder-run.
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