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If you don't know how to post in a live report thread by now, be advised: don't whine about game balance and don't bash players/casters/interviewers/staff/other posters. We are monitoring this thread closely.

Stop with the USA USA chant shit. Further offenses beyond page 493 will be met with bans. You've been warned.
Tehs Tehklz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States330 Posts
October 10 2011 03:59 GMT
#18181
Look, arguing that Stephano didn't have an easy run through the tournament - on paper - is just being ignorant. If you looked at the brackets but didn't watch the games, it would be easy to think he just got lucky (rimshot, sunglasses, etc.).

Would he have beat MMA? I don't know. I don't think Stephano would have done what Lucky did and a mass zergling early game against MMA? Or Ryung? Did Stephano have some different builds prepared for them? Maybe yes. Maybe no. Maybe go fuck yourself. We will never know. It is a style thing. Regardless, I think those games would have been awesome and I think everyone would agree that it sucks we didn't get to see them.
AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
October 10 2011 04:00 GMT
#18182
+ Show Spoiler +

Stephano 2-0 Anypro
Stephano 2-1 Axslav
Stephano 2-1 MarineKing
Stephano 2-1 Socke
Stephano 2-1 Revival
Stephano 2-0 Puzzle
Stephano 2-1 KiWiKaKi
Stephano 2-1 MMA
Stephano 2-0 Huk
Stephano 2-0 Boxer
Stephano 0-2 alive
Stephano 2-1 KiWiKaKi
Stephano 2-0 Violet
Stephano 2-1 Inori
Stephano 3-1 TheStC
Stephano 4-0 Lucky



Pretty decent.
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
October 10 2011 04:00 GMT
#18183
People can say what they want, in the end Stephano is the one going "to the bank". Congratulations and peace out.

0600 here + Show Spoiler +
glad I don't have to work today
Train like an animal, eat like a horse, sleep like a baby, grow like a weed.
wats0n
Profile Joined July 2011
United States509 Posts
October 10 2011 04:00 GMT
#18184
On October 10 2011 12:57 Zath.erin wrote:
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On October 10 2011 12:54 usethis2 wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:46 Zath.erin wrote:
Jesus, obviously Stephano is good, there isn't a question about that. But winning one major tournament doesn't make you the best player in the world or even best foreigner, especially when the game is as young as it is now. The people touting Stephano as the best player in the world or best foreigner are just as bad as the ones trying to discredit him. He's a really good player and past that we'll have to see what he accomplishes from here on out, but he is putting up pretty amazing results considering he just switched to playing full time a few months ago.

I haven't seen anyone seriously arguing that Stephano is THE best player in the world or anything like that. One could have uttered such out of joy or excitement. It's YOU who makes something out of nothing.


Then you haven't looked hard enough because a few people were claiming it.


He may be. It's a subjective title and certainly arguable enough that it shouldn't twist your panties if somebody wants to argue that claim.
ThisGS
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany255 Posts
October 10 2011 04:01 GMT
#18185
On October 10 2011 12:59 Dante08 wrote:
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On October 10 2011 12:48 wats0n wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:42 Dante08 wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:39 Resilient wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.


By even mentioning that, you're taking things away from his win. He defeated a lot of great players to qualify for IPL, then defeated a lot more great players to win the tournament. That's all there is to it.


Ok I'll rephrase, hes a god dam amazing player and deserves the win 100%. I guess what Im saying is that I would have liked to see him play the better players in this tournament for example, MMA, Ryung Puma etc.


Those guys played like shit. You must not have been watching the games. Beating Lucky was a lot harder than it would have been beating those guys (two of which Lucky beat). On top of that ZvT is Stephano's best matchup. Your post is lousy.


Really? So you're saying Stephano would beat the players I mentioned cause he beat Lucky 4-0 and Lucky beat them. I like your theory, it 100% proven.


not because. but he wouldve EASILY today. MMA didnt play well the entire tournament. Lucky 3-0d him. Stephano played very very good. create your own story
Chessz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States644 Posts
October 10 2011 04:01 GMT
#18186
holy shit haters. calm down.

grats stephano
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
October 10 2011 04:01 GMT
#18187
On October 10 2011 12:59 ThisGS wrote:
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On October 10 2011 12:52 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:35 Goshdarnit wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:27 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:
Stephano had an impressive showing, but you can't call someone the best foreigner (someone is even calling him the best player) in the world just because he wins 1 offline event. The players he beat weren't exactly top-tier. He beat a few of them in the online qualifiers but that doesn't mean much especially against a T or P where micro matters so much (I personally watched mkp lose to stephano because of his lack of marine splitting timing, most likely due to lag).

He's good, but don't be so damn quick to jump on the bandwagon. He won a single offline tourney by beating, frankly, mediocre players (as far as KR standards)


Hmmm, the people he beat were pretty top tier. I'm not saying he IS nestea or some code S champion. But please name a foreigner who is better than him, I would like to know who it is. I know your not dissing him, but your comment is downplaying him a bit much tbh. He is a great player with fantastic potential. Also I saw him play some bad games this tournament, he has among he best zvt AND zvp in the foreigner scene and great zvz comparable to dimaga if not better.
I can count the amount of zergs in the world that are as good in any matchup as he is in all three on my hands.
Speaking of nestea and losira (well I wasn't but w/e) stephano might have better zvt then them (but that is not proven by anything except that zvt is the IM zergs' worst MU).


Those weren't top tier koreans.
And I'd say Thorzain and MaNa are better foreigners; they may not have recently won a huge tourney but they've shown that they can post results constantly and consitently. Winning 1 tournament doesn't make you the best player; If it did than IdrA would be the best foreigner ever, as his path to the finals in IEM was arguably much tougher than Stephanos. It is consistency that means everything. So I'm not saying that Stephano is at all bad, because he's just showed us that he isn't, but it is too early to tell if he's great.

Again, not taking anything away from Stephano's win; I'm glad to see a foreigner win. I'm just trying to shut all the 'basic math' guys and 'only person even close is MVP' people up ~_~


much tougher???? he had puma and revival. PuMa's TvZ isnt too great. well, thats it. Stephano just played 11-2 maps vs HuK, TheStC, Lucky and Violet. Code S, Code B (doing very well at fxokoth), Up&Down CodeA/S, Former CodeS.

why so biased :/

ThorZaiN's TvZ is not good enough to be on par with Stephano who is good in all matchups - you could argue about ZvP, but still he beats huk ezpz whenever they meet. MaNa's PvT is up there, but his PvZ isnt.
Stephano is clearly the best foreiger atm and he was before IPL3 as well. ppl who say "1 tournament doesnt prove anything" simply do not follow the european scene.


Mana's PvZ has definitely gotten better. He's really adapted to the new Protoss expansion style.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
October 10 2011 04:02 GMT
#18188
Where are the mods to put an end to this hate towards Stephano?
I've got moves like Jagger
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
October 10 2011 04:02 GMT
#18189
On October 10 2011 13:00 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Stephano 2-0 Anypro
Stephano 2-1 Axslav
Stephano 2-1 MarineKing
Stephano 2-1 Socke
Stephano 2-1 Revival
Stephano 2-0 Puzzle
Stephano 2-1 KiWiKaKi
Stephano 2-1 MMA
Stephano 2-0 Huk
Stephano 2-0 Boxer
Stephano 0-2 alive
Stephano 2-1 KiWiKaKi
Stephano 2-0 Violet
Stephano 2-1 Inori
Stephano 3-1 TheStC
Stephano 4-0 Lucky



Pretty decent.


Interestingly enough, Alive is 4-1 against Stephano. Beating Stephano twice.

That's just kind of odd given that he lost to Ret and Darkforce the way he did. Maybe it's a style thing.
Gameplay > Personality
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 04:03:15
October 10 2011 04:03 GMT
#18190
On October 10 2011 12:59 Tehs Tehklz wrote:
Look, arguing that Stephano didn't have an easy run through the tournament - on paper - is just being ignorant. If you looked at the brackets but didn't watch the games, it would be easy to think he just got lucky (rimshot, sunglasses, etc.).

Would he have beat MMA? I don't know. I don't think Stephano would have done what Lucky did and a mass zergling early game against MMA? Or Ryung? Did Stephano have some different builds prepared for them? Maybe yes. Maybe no. Maybe go fuck yourself. We will never know. It is a style thing. Regardless, I think those games would have been awesome and I think everyone would agree that it sucks we didn't get to see them.

Maybe MMA should have earned the spot to challenge Stephano in the first place. How about that? XD
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
October 10 2011 04:03 GMT
#18191
On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:
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On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.


The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it.


Yeah, it's really sad, imo.

No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them.

And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?


I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.

While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.


My point exactly
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
October 10 2011 04:03 GMT
#18192
On October 10 2011 13:00 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Stephano 2-0 Anypro
Stephano 2-1 Axslav
Stephano 2-1 MarineKing
Stephano 2-1 Socke
Stephano 2-1 Revival
Stephano 2-0 Puzzle
Stephano 2-1 KiWiKaKi
Stephano 2-1 MMA
Stephano 2-0 Huk
Stephano 2-0 Boxer
Stephano 0-2 alive
Stephano 2-1 KiWiKaKi
Stephano 2-0 Violet
Stephano 2-1 Inori
Stephano 3-1 TheStC
Stephano 4-0 Lucky



Pretty decent.


NOPE HE DID NOT BEAT MVP, HES TERRIBLE!

...

on a fair note: Stephano is AMAZING. I'm a huge fan now, what a guy, he deservers a lot more credit. If he goes to korea he can do REALLY well (code s maybe)
blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
October 10 2011 04:03 GMT
#18193
Ro 16 and Ro 8 games were pretty good. Looking forward to the next IPL event.
Liquipedia
skipgamer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia701 Posts
October 10 2011 04:03 GMT
#18194
grats stephano, awesome play... The thing that I like the most about him, is he was always cool and calm, could bring himself back from being 0-1 and showed no sign at all of nerves (at least in game) in the finals, even though you could tell from his hands shaking after the first game that he was hell nervous. I'm interested to see if he can keep his nerves in korea.

great games and thanks to ign (and all related sponsors) for the tournament.
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
October 10 2011 04:03 GMT
#18195
I have a solution to all these arguments okay, by the laws handed down to us by Tastosis all tournaments are won in the name of Clide. Therefore Clide, despite not even being there, was the best player and deserves all the accolades ( stephano can keep the money).

In seriousness you guys Stephano had some great matches this tournament and should be applauded for what he did accomplish. Only the future will tell us how much staying power he has as new challenges emerge and the game matures and changes.

Lucky had an amazing run as well and I hope FXO feels justified in sending him and Inori through the open bracket.

Idra appears to be maintaining his momentum from IEM and should be a force to be reckoned with at MLG

Ret was the last liquid standing this tournament and looks primed for mlg and blizzcon.

Finally MMA while dying embarrassingly to lucky still made the semi finals and went through Sheth, sleep and puma to do it which was no easy task.

A lot of players put in good performances this tournament, whether we like the results or not no player should have that taken away from them. Any good game or quirky play that entertained someone was a success in some way or another.

LesPhoques
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada782 Posts
October 10 2011 04:04 GMT
#18196
Stephano !!! Sick player. Congratulations.

Best foreign zerg. PERIOD.
CapnAmerica
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States508 Posts
October 10 2011 04:04 GMT
#18197
This tournament was fucking incredible.

The only detractions from it being near perfect were forcing a LoL stream onto the main SC2 stream and the few (very small) blocks of time where they didn't have good distractions up, like when the girls were talking on stage (it was grating) and when there were pauses between games because they finished up earlier than expected there was no active rescheduling to let people know when they could leave and come back.

Flawless other than those parts, in my opinion. This is the third time I've actually gotten so excited watching games that I stood up and realized my adrenaline was pumping and my body was heated.
After all this time, I still haven't figured out the correlation between sexual orientation and beating an unprepared opponent. Are homosexuals the next koreans? Many players seem to think it's an unfair advantage. - pandaburn
ThisGS
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany255 Posts
October 10 2011 04:04 GMT
#18198
On October 10 2011 12:59 Tehs Tehklz wrote:
Look, arguing that Stephano didn't have an easy run through the tournament - on paper - is just being ignorant. If you looked at the brackets but didn't watch the games, it would be easy to think he just got lucky (rimshot, sunglasses, etc.).

Would he have beat MMA? I don't know. I don't think Stephano would have done what Lucky did and a mass zergling early game against MMA? Or Ryung? Did Stephano have some different builds prepared for them? Maybe yes. Maybe no. Maybe go fuck yourself. We will never know. It is a style thing. Regardless, I think those games would have been awesome and I think everyone would agree that it sucks we didn't get to see them.


agree, it couldve been harder.

But why dont ppl give a shit about that when HuK wins dreamhack? it was the easiest run someone could DRAW out of the lineup there. or his Code S groups. Most of the time as easy as possible (if sth like that is possible at all).

People try to defend Stephano because its the ppl who claimed HuK to be a god shitting on them now with that "easy bracket" argument.

and it wasnt easy, it was decent, not hard either compared to what couldve happened.
wats0n
Profile Joined July 2011
United States509 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 04:05:25
October 10 2011 04:04 GMT
#18199
On October 10 2011 12:59 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 12:48 wats0n wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:42 Dante08 wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:39 Resilient wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.


By even mentioning that, you're taking things away from his win. He defeated a lot of great players to qualify for IPL, then defeated a lot more great players to win the tournament. That's all there is to it.


Ok I'll rephrase, hes a god dam amazing player and deserves the win 100%. I guess what Im saying is that I would have liked to see him play the better players in this tournament for example, MMA, Ryung Puma etc.


Those guys played like shit. You must not have been watching the games. Beating Lucky was a lot harder than it would have been beating those guys (two of which Lucky beat). On top of that ZvT is Stephano's best matchup. Your post is lousy.


Really? So you're saying Stephano would beat the players I mentioned cause he beat Lucky 4-0 and Lucky beat them. I like your theory, it 100% proven.


I didn't say that so don't put words in my mouth. Pathetic straw man tactic.

I said beating Lucky who was playing better than those guys is more notable than beating them. If those guys were actually worth beating then they would have made it to the finals but they didn't. Everyone got what they deserved.
jester-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada547 Posts
October 10 2011 04:05 GMT
#18200
Has there ever been a LR thread on here that reached 1000 pages?

Gettin pretty darn close..
Arise, chicken sandwich.
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