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The time has come for our tenth IGN Pro League Team Arena! This is a (follow closely) weekly winner's format team king of the hill showmatch series. For better clarification, check out our IPL Team Arena General Discussion thread!
When: Sunday, Oct 02 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Sunday, Oct 02 4:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Prizes
The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9) will earn $500 for their team to split however they want. To make things even more interesting, we are including a $100 bounty for each victory that a team earns, for new challengers to try and claim. For example, if a team wins 3 weeks in a row, they will have earned themselves $1,500 total, and have $300 worth of bounty on them. If a new team defeats them, they will earn the $500 for winning the week, as well as claim the $300 bounty.
SlayerS is the fourth team to win the IPL Team Arena, and they have earned themselves $500 and a $100 bounty on their heads. Mousesports has international superstars on the team that are perfectly capable of defeating the best players in the world. Here are their full rosters:
Mousesports MorroW  ThorZaIN  HasuObs MaNa biGs SlayerS BoxeR Lots Dragon GanZi MMA Ryung TaeJa Cella YuGiOh Golden Min Sleep CoCa Alicia Brown SengKun Puzzle
New teams will be invited each week to take on the previous week's winner.
The First Match of the IPL Team Arena is on Sunday, Oct 02 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Sunday, Oct 02 4:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Poll: Who Will Win?SlayerS (158) 62% Mousesports (96) 38% 254 total votes Your vote: Who Will Win? (Vote): SlayerS
(Vote): Mousesports
Results!+ Show Spoiler [SlayerS vs. Mousesports Results] +Ryung < Shakuras Plateau > biGs
Ryung < Crevasse > HasuObs
Ryung < Tal'Darim Altar > MorroW
Lots < Xel'Naga Caverns > MorroW
CoCa < Metalopolis > MorroW
CoCa < Terminus SE > MaNa
CoCa < Shattered Temple > ThorZaIN
Puzzle < Daybreak > ThorZaIN
Congratulations to SlayerS for winning again, 5-3!
Map List
Xel'Naga Caverns
Metalopolis
Shakuras Plateau
Crevasse
Tal Darim Altar
Dual Sight
Xel'Naga Fortress
Terminus
Shattered Temple
Daybreak
Antiga Shipyard
The first map will be on a set rotation, and then it is loser's pick.
Casters
This week's games will be commentated by CatsPajamas, HDStarCraft, and/or PainUser
We have already invited several teams and have more in mind, but if you would like your team to be considered for the IPL Team Arena as well, please send a letter of interest as well as a description of your team and a roster to iplquestions@ign.com!
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Next to Liquid, I consider Mouz the next best team with a chance of taking down Slayers, MOUZ FIGHTING!
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United States4796 Posts
Didn't know mouz had biGs. Best of luck mouz!
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Ooo.. Mouz have some really good players, capable of beating slayers. Maybe. I think it will be close. For sure Mana will be important for his awesome PvT. If he gets a few wins then i see mouz taking it.
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This should be a really good match, looking forward to it :D
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mouz definately has a shot with Thorzain and Mana owning it up lately
gogo mouz
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If Slayers uses their B-Team again, mouz should win this one.
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Damn, I didn't know the Mouz roster was so small. Will we see the SlayerS A-Team this time or are they all practicing for GSL matches.
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With Thorzain, Mana, Morrow and Hasuobs, Mouz should at least be good enough to force Slayers to use their A team.
On October 02 2011 02:17 urasyupi2 wrote:
Damn, I didn't know the Mouz roster was so small. Will we see the SlayerS A-Team this time or are they all practicing for GSL matches.
Quality over quantity.
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go mouz take down slayers!
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On October 02 2011 02:17 urasyupi2 wrote:
Damn, I didn't know the Mouz roster was so small. Will we see the SlayerS A-Team this time or are they all practicing for GSL matches.
yeah me too for some reason i thought it was bigger, but they have awesome players so it should be good nonetheless 
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goliath versus davids pet mouse 
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Rooting for mouz. They are such a good team despite their small roster, and definitely one of my favorites, if not my favorite.
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Damn the teams are getting beastly. GOGO Mouz
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I'm totally rooting for Mouz today! They might actually have a good chance if SlayerS refuse to play any GSL player, although it's still going to be hard. Hopefully SlayerS also fields some of the big guns (I doubt it though), I want to see Mouz compete against the highest level of play.
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How do you play a bo9 with 5 players? Will both teams be allowed to play players twice if it goes past 5 games?
Anyway, should be an awesome match! GL Mouz
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On October 02 2011 05:10 Devolved wrote:
How do you play a bo9 with 5 players? Will both teams be allowed to play players twice if it goes past 5 games?
Anyway, should be an awesome match! GL Mouz
You only need 5 players to complete a BO9.
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Go go mouz! Best and smallest foreign team fighting!
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IMO, Mouz is the best foreign team and Slayers is the best Korean team, this should be AWESOME
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I would be surprised if slayers dropped a set to anyone other than thorzain
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MorroW, MaNa, and ThorZain should be able to take down any SlayerS B teamers, MaNa has CRAZY good PvT so this will be really interesting.
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On October 02 2011 05:22 rickybobby wrote:
I would be surprised if slayers dropped a set to anyone other than thorzain
Really?
MorroW, Mana, Hasu are all capable of taking games off everybody on slayers, you should'nt be suprised by that.
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On October 02 2011 05:32 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 05:22 rickybobby wrote:
I would be surprised if slayers dropped a set to anyone other than thorzain Really? MorroW, Mana, Hasu are all capable of taking games off everybody on slayers, you should'nt be suprised by that.
Morrow got owned in that world championship awhile back and Hasu hasn't shown me enough to think he could beat a korean. Thorzain could beat some decent ones and Mana could beat their B teamers but yah... I think saying "everybody" is a strech for anyone but Thorzain
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On October 02 2011 05:22 rickybobby wrote:
I would be surprised if slayers dropped a set to anyone other than thorzain
What? do you even know how damn good the rest of the mouz team are? Mana has beaten s class Korean terrans 2-0 a number of times for one.
--just seen your American and probabily trolling Europeans
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On October 02 2011 05:42 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 05:32 Eee wrote:On October 02 2011 05:22 rickybobby wrote:
I would be surprised if slayers dropped a set to anyone other than thorzain Really? MorroW, Mana, Hasu are all capable of taking games off everybody on slayers, you should'nt be suprised by that. Morrow got owned in that world championship awhile back and Hasu hasn't shown me enough to think he could beat a korean. Thorzain could beat some decent ones and Mana could beat their B teamers but yah... I think saying "everybody" is a strech for anyone but Thorzain
Yeah but that was over half a year ago, so pretty irrelevant. Back then idra and jinro used to beat Koreans, they don't do that any longer. I know many people outside of Sweden would not understand, but morrow is Swedens best player (maybe not best but he's on par with thorzain and nani). Many people underestimate him a lot because he hasent participated in any big tournaments for such a long time. I think morrow definitely could take games of them, his zvt is so sick. Hasuobs could probably beat the b-teamers, I mean this guy has beaten dimaga in long macro games many times. So if he is matched against a slayers zerg I bet he can win (maybe not coca).
I think mana can take games off anyone, maybe I overrated him, but I really think on him among the top 5 foreigners.
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Awsome lineup on both sides. I hope we see Boxer play!
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Well... Mouz is really damn good with thorzain and mana being able to go toe to toe with many koreans, but MMA/Ryung/Ganzi is a really potent terran trio each probably favored against anyone on Mouz...
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On October 02 2011 02:22 red4ce wrote:With Thorzain, Mana, Morrow and Hasuobs, Mouz should at least be good enough to force Slayers to use their A team. Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 02:17 urasyupi2 wrote:
Damn, I didn't know the Mouz roster was so small. Will we see the SlayerS A-Team this time or are they all practicing for GSL matches. Quality over quantity.
i agree but its still a very small rooster, they need atleast 1 more terran a mid tier toss and 1 good good zerg
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completely depends on slayers lineup, if they really want the win, they'll get it
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Mana and Thorzain are probably the ones with the most experience against koreans (Mana from LAN's and Thorzain from GSL), I can see them taking a few games. Morrow and Hasuobs are both really good, but itll depend on who slayers sends out at them.
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Never seen biGs before, but the rest...goddamn. MaNa will eat SlayerS terrans for lunch.
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Wanna at least see Taeja today. Mma, Ryung, Ganzi and Coca are still in gsl so I can understand, but giving Taeja bo1 practise should be great for him.
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I think that Mouz has got this. All their players are pretty solid. MaNa's also a PvP beast (not like it'll come down to that. ).
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On October 02 2011 05:51 BjC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 05:22 rickybobby wrote:
I would be surprised if slayers dropped a set to anyone other than thorzain What? do you even know how damn good the rest of the mouz team are? Mana has beaten s class Korean terrans 2-0 a number of times for one. --just seen your American and probabily trolling Europeans
thorzain can take games off any korean, and might even 2 or 3 kill if slayers sends out b-teamers. but he will not allkill.
mana can only be counted on to consistently beat koreans in pvt (and even then IMO at b-teamer level because NaDa played terrible in the tournaments MaNa beat him in, Elfi also 2-0'd NaDa and I dont think we can say Elfi is at S-Class PvT level rofl....), he is very good but korea is korea. and slayers has the best terrans of any team. i dont see him winning today.
+ Show Spoiler [the rest] +
hasu is a good player but he's not on the level to be counted on against korean terrans or zergs, pvp is a coinflip even after the patch. he will likely not get a kill
morrow is a player i really admire but he is also not on a korean level. when you transcend the foreigner level, playing TvZ doesn't work as well as the terrans that have all their mechanics being practiced in all three matchups. same goes for his ZvT which he'd need to shine in to take games. his tvz and zvt KNOWLEDGE is unparalleled, i just dont think his execution can match the level needed to beat korean Zergs and Terrans (mostly his ZvT i think, while intelligent, wont be enough to take a game off Slayers TvZ)
bigs is self explanatory, he wont be able to take a game off a korean
but yeah im american and us <<<< eu = kr, right? keep deluding yourself.
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
Come on MOUZ! TAKE THIS! I have hope.
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if slayers play this like they did with liquid mouz has 50% chance or more to take it but if they use 2 or more of their gsl players they take it imo
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On October 02 2011 07:33 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 05:51 BjC wrote:On October 02 2011 05:22 rickybobby wrote:
I would be surprised if slayers dropped a set to anyone other than thorzain What? do you even know how damn good the rest of the mouz team are? Mana has beaten s class Korean terrans 2-0 a number of times for one. --just seen your American and probabily trolling Europeans thorzain can take games off any korean, and might even 2 or 3 kill if slayers sends out b-teamers. but he will not allkill. mana can only be counted on to consistently beat koreans in pvt (and even then IMO at b-teamer level because NaDa played terrible in the tournaments MaNa beat him in, Elfi also 2-0'd NaDa and I dont think we can say Elfi is at S-Class PvT level rofl....), he is very good but korea is korea. and slayers has the best terrans of any team. i dont see him winning today. + Show Spoiler [the rest] +
hasu is a good player but he's not on the level to be counted on against korean terrans or zergs, pvp is a coinflip even after the patch. he will likely not get a kill
morrow is a player i really admire but he is also not on a korean level. when you transcend the foreigner level, playing TvZ doesn't work as well as the terrans that have all their mechanics being practiced in all three matchups. same goes for his ZvT which he'd need to shine in to take games. his tvz and zvt KNOWLEDGE is unparalleled, i just dont think his execution can match the level needed to beat korean Zergs and Terrans (mostly his ZvT i think, while intelligent, wont be enough to take a game off Slayers TvZ)
bigs is self explanatory, he wont be able to take a game off a korean
but yeah im american and us <<<< eu = kr, right? keep deluding yourself.
MorroW can snipe a toss and has a chance against a Terran, MaNa might bring down a terran and HasuObs has chances in any matchup if it goes 20+ minutes. Liquid didn't do badly last week and I think if SlayerS send out a similar team, Mouz could bring it to a deciding ninth game. If they send out a few actual GSL players it'll be a completely different story. Taeja or others could potentially all-kill.
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Mouz has a sick line up but I'm surpised by how few players Mouz has, i thought they had much more 
That being said slayers will might have to use some of their A-team players as Mouz has quite a beastly line up.
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17 slayers vs. 5 mouz wtf! seriously mouz needs to add more players desperately
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I won't go as far as saying it would surprise me if a foreigner took a match today. Certainly the difference with koreans is high (very high) but nowhere near the "it is IMPOSSIBLE for these players to take a set off koreans". Were this BW we'd be talking a whole different issue.
That said, it is unlikely for mouz to take anything more than 1 set, 2 at most. Mana and thorzain can probably manage to take sets. People always place too much faith of EU top players, and in the end KR B-teamers end up beating them, usually easily. US <<< EU <<<<<<< KR imo. Add to this the fact that if they actually field any of their GSL players, particularly any of their terrans, their chances are even less.
The only way mouz is going to take this is if heavy lag is involved.
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On October 02 2011 08:13 coolyou wrote:
17 slayers vs. 5 mouz wtf! seriously mouz needs to add more players desperately
You can only play five anyway, so they don't need more. Also, I assume Thorzain, Mana, Morrow and Hasu are quite the expensive players, so adding another star player might be a bit much.
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On October 02 2011 08:10 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 07:33 nath wrote:On October 02 2011 05:51 BjC wrote:On October 02 2011 05:22 rickybobby wrote:
I would be surprised if slayers dropped a set to anyone other than thorzain What? do you even know how damn good the rest of the mouz team are? Mana has beaten s class Korean terrans 2-0 a number of times for one. --just seen your American and probabily trolling Europeans thorzain can take games off any korean, and might even 2 or 3 kill if slayers sends out b-teamers. but he will not allkill. mana can only be counted on to consistently beat koreans in pvt (and even then IMO at b-teamer level because NaDa played terrible in the tournaments MaNa beat him in, Elfi also 2-0'd NaDa and I dont think we can say Elfi is at S-Class PvT level rofl....), he is very good but korea is korea. and slayers has the best terrans of any team. i dont see him winning today. + Show Spoiler [the rest] +
hasu is a good player but he's not on the level to be counted on against korean terrans or zergs, pvp is a coinflip even after the patch. he will likely not get a kill
morrow is a player i really admire but he is also not on a korean level. when you transcend the foreigner level, playing TvZ doesn't work as well as the terrans that have all their mechanics being practiced in all three matchups. same goes for his ZvT which he'd need to shine in to take games. his tvz and zvt KNOWLEDGE is unparalleled, i just dont think his execution can match the level needed to beat korean Zergs and Terrans (mostly his ZvT i think, while intelligent, wont be enough to take a game off Slayers TvZ)
bigs is self explanatory, he wont be able to take a game off a korean
but yeah im american and us <<<< eu = kr, right? keep deluding yourself. MorroW can snipe a toss and has a chance against a Terran, MaNa might bring down a terran and HasuObs has chances in any matchup if it goes 20+ minutes. Liquid didn't do badly last week and I think if SlayerS send out a similar team, Mouz could bring it to a deciding ninth game. If they send out a few actual GSL players it'll be a completely different story. Taeja or others could potentially all-kill.
i honestly don't think morrow can snipe a toss unless its some guy we've never heard of before from SlayerS. he probably couldn't beat alicia, even though ret did.
i also disagree with your statement about hasuobs, even though his lategame is good vs non-koreans. any good slayers terran will destroy him, no offense (i do realize hes your countryman and we can always hope)
mana and thorzain are the only two people i see taking games, unless something wacky happens.
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Just realised that hasu probably won't be playing since he's in China.
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On October 02 2011 08:13 coolyou wrote:
17 slayers vs. 5 mouz wtf! seriously mouz needs to add more players desperately
Why would they need more players? Tell me, when does a team need more than 5 players outside GSTL? Especially when you have 4 players, who can beat absolutely anybody in the foreign scene.
Mousesports was always an organization, that prefered small but strong A rosters mixed with a few talents. In germany, it is seen as an absolute previlege to play for mousesports, because of their fame, accomplishments and professional management.
Mousesports is also capable of really supporting their top players (sending them to a lot international tournaments/decent salaries), because of the low number of players.
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On October 02 2011 08:31 Eee wrote:
Just realised that hasu probably won't be playing since he's in China.
Well its bo9 lol he might need to
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On October 02 2011 08:36 ChuCky.Ca wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 08:31 Eee wrote:
Just realised that hasu probably won't be playing since he's in China. Well its bo9 lol he might need to
The games were probably played before he went to China.
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SlayerS will probably send B teamers and one A teamer like against liquid. Competitive series overall which is good since it'll give us closer games rather then rolfstomps
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On October 02 2011 08:26 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 08:10 StarVe wrote:On October 02 2011 07:33 nath wrote:On October 02 2011 05:51 BjC wrote:On October 02 2011 05:22 rickybobby wrote:
I would be surprised if slayers dropped a set to anyone other than thorzain What? do you even know how damn good the rest of the mouz team are? Mana has beaten s class Korean terrans 2-0 a number of times for one. --just seen your American and probabily trolling Europeans thorzain can take games off any korean, and might even 2 or 3 kill if slayers sends out b-teamers. but he will not allkill. mana can only be counted on to consistently beat koreans in pvt (and even then IMO at b-teamer level because NaDa played terrible in the tournaments MaNa beat him in, Elfi also 2-0'd NaDa and I dont think we can say Elfi is at S-Class PvT level rofl....), he is very good but korea is korea. and slayers has the best terrans of any team. i dont see him winning today. + Show Spoiler [the rest] +
hasu is a good player but he's not on the level to be counted on against korean terrans or zergs, pvp is a coinflip even after the patch. he will likely not get a kill
morrow is a player i really admire but he is also not on a korean level. when you transcend the foreigner level, playing TvZ doesn't work as well as the terrans that have all their mechanics being practiced in all three matchups. same goes for his ZvT which he'd need to shine in to take games. his tvz and zvt KNOWLEDGE is unparalleled, i just dont think his execution can match the level needed to beat korean Zergs and Terrans (mostly his ZvT i think, while intelligent, wont be enough to take a game off Slayers TvZ)
bigs is self explanatory, he wont be able to take a game off a korean
but yeah im american and us <<<< eu = kr, right? keep deluding yourself. MorroW can snipe a toss and has a chance against a Terran, MaNa might bring down a terran and HasuObs has chances in any matchup if it goes 20+ minutes. Liquid didn't do badly last week and I think if SlayerS send out a similar team, Mouz could bring it to a deciding ninth game. If they send out a few actual GSL players it'll be a completely different story. Taeja or others could potentially all-kill. i honestly don't think morrow can snipe a toss unless its some guy we've never heard of before from SlayerS. he probably couldn't beat alicia, even though ret did. i also disagree with your statement about hasuobs, even though his lategame is good vs non-koreans. any good slayers terran will destroy him, no offense (i do realize hes your countryman and we can always hope) mana and thorzain are the only two people i see taking games, unless something wacky happens.
Two months ago Morrow played practice games against SlayersPuzzle (then Zenex) on his stream and absolutely destroyed him about ten times in a row. He also beat HuK pretty handily. I haven't seen him play ZvP in a while but he really was sick good at that matchup - best in EU at that time.
About Hasu, that's got nothing to do with being a countryman, he just has solid lategame as you said - of course he'd have problems against good slayers terrans, but I could see him beating SlayerSLots and the like, also Boxer if he plays (he 3-0'd him in TSL 3).
Also it's only one game for every matchup so anything can happen. If Haypro can take games (even if he played very well), I'd say any Mouz player has a chance to do that, too.
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United States1839 Posts
5-4 ThorZaIN with the reverse all-kill! :D
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The odds are against them but I believe in mouz!!
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Although mouz is my favorite foreigner team, I guess Slayers will take it.
Mouz fighting anyway.
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COME ON BOXXXERRRR play and destroyyyy!
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okay nevermind, Slayers sending out ryung, shit just got real
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OK nice, SlayerS bringing the heat!
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Bigs out first.
scouting your opponent is vital, even if you lose an scv
ps - ryung at least 3 kill
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Didn't ever see a match of biGs, but a debut vs. Ryung sounds like fun.
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16 hatch vs a korean terran is pretty retaded unless you get lucky
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Sending out Ryung first. Now thats mean.
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Wowza! Bigs playing very greedy!
Edit: Very interesting explanation by catspijamas.
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Did SlayerS really send out Ryung first? Really?
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On October 02 2011 08:49 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 08:26 nath wrote:On October 02 2011 08:10 StarVe wrote:On October 02 2011 07:33 nath wrote:On October 02 2011 05:51 BjC wrote:On October 02 2011 05:22 rickybobby wrote:
I would be surprised if slayers dropped a set to anyone other than thorzain What? do you even know how damn good the rest of the mouz team are? Mana has beaten s class Korean terrans 2-0 a number of times for one. --just seen your American and probabily trolling Europeans thorzain can take games off any korean, and might even 2 or 3 kill if slayers sends out b-teamers. but he will not allkill. mana can only be counted on to consistently beat koreans in pvt (and even then IMO at b-teamer level because NaDa played terrible in the tournaments MaNa beat him in, Elfi also 2-0'd NaDa and I dont think we can say Elfi is at S-Class PvT level rofl....), he is very good but korea is korea. and slayers has the best terrans of any team. i dont see him winning today. + Show Spoiler [the rest] +
hasu is a good player but he's not on the level to be counted on against korean terrans or zergs, pvp is a coinflip even after the patch. he will likely not get a kill
morrow is a player i really admire but he is also not on a korean level. when you transcend the foreigner level, playing TvZ doesn't work as well as the terrans that have all their mechanics being practiced in all three matchups. same goes for his ZvT which he'd need to shine in to take games. his tvz and zvt KNOWLEDGE is unparalleled, i just dont think his execution can match the level needed to beat korean Zergs and Terrans (mostly his ZvT i think, while intelligent, wont be enough to take a game off Slayers TvZ)
bigs is self explanatory, he wont be able to take a game off a korean
but yeah im american and us <<<< eu = kr, right? keep deluding yourself. MorroW can snipe a toss and has a chance against a Terran, MaNa might bring down a terran and HasuObs has chances in any matchup if it goes 20+ minutes. Liquid didn't do badly last week and I think if SlayerS send out a similar team, Mouz could bring it to a deciding ninth game. If they send out a few actual GSL players it'll be a completely different story. Taeja or others could potentially all-kill. i honestly don't think morrow can snipe a toss unless its some guy we've never heard of before from SlayerS. he probably couldn't beat alicia, even though ret did. i also disagree with your statement about hasuobs, even though his lategame is good vs non-koreans. any good slayers terran will destroy him, no offense (i do realize hes your countryman and we can always hope) mana and thorzain are the only two people i see taking games, unless something wacky happens. Two months ago Morrow played practice games against SlayersPuzzle (then Zenex) on his stream and absolutely destroyed him about ten times in a row. He also beat HuK pretty handily. I haven't seen him play ZvP in a while but he really was sick good at that matchup - best in EU at that time. About Hasu, that's got nothing to do with being a countryman, he just has solid lategame as you said - of course he'd have problems against good slayers terrans, but I could see him beating SlayerSLots and the like, also Boxer if he plays ( he 3-0'd him in TSL 3). Also it's only one game for every matchup so anything can happen. If Haypro can take games (even if he played very well), I'd say any Mouz player has a chance to do that, too.
I'll take your word for it when it comes to Morrow's ZvP in practice games vs koreans. Haven't watched those games.
I do like Hasu, i still dont think today is the day where he plays on a korean level (imho tsl doesn't count because of the below). maybe in due time...
However, about the bolded:
Lag. all koreans looked super chobo in tsl3. adelscott beat MVP. goody beat nestea (rofl). Lag. (not that the foreigners played bad, but if both were on KR im pretty sure results would be different)
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He pulled so many drones that ryung still came out ahead
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Wats the standings gais?
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On October 02 2011 09:09 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 08:49 StarVe wrote:On October 02 2011 08:26 nath wrote:On October 02 2011 08:10 StarVe wrote:On October 02 2011 07:33 nath wrote:On October 02 2011 05:51 BjC wrote:On October 02 2011 05:22 rickybobby wrote:
I would be surprised if slayers dropped a set to anyone other than thorzain What? do you even know how damn good the rest of the mouz team are? Mana has beaten s class Korean terrans 2-0 a number of times for one. --just seen your American and probabily trolling Europeans thorzain can take games off any korean, and might even 2 or 3 kill if slayers sends out b-teamers. but he will not allkill. mana can only be counted on to consistently beat koreans in pvt (and even then IMO at b-teamer level because NaDa played terrible in the tournaments MaNa beat him in, Elfi also 2-0'd NaDa and I dont think we can say Elfi is at S-Class PvT level rofl....), he is very good but korea is korea. and slayers has the best terrans of any team. i dont see him winning today. + Show Spoiler [the rest] +
hasu is a good player but he's not on the level to be counted on against korean terrans or zergs, pvp is a coinflip even after the patch. he will likely not get a kill
morrow is a player i really admire but he is also not on a korean level. when you transcend the foreigner level, playing TvZ doesn't work as well as the terrans that have all their mechanics being practiced in all three matchups. same goes for his ZvT which he'd need to shine in to take games. his tvz and zvt KNOWLEDGE is unparalleled, i just dont think his execution can match the level needed to beat korean Zergs and Terrans (mostly his ZvT i think, while intelligent, wont be enough to take a game off Slayers TvZ)
bigs is self explanatory, he wont be able to take a game off a korean
but yeah im american and us <<<< eu = kr, right? keep deluding yourself. MorroW can snipe a toss and has a chance against a Terran, MaNa might bring down a terran and HasuObs has chances in any matchup if it goes 20+ minutes. Liquid didn't do badly last week and I think if SlayerS send out a similar team, Mouz could bring it to a deciding ninth game. If they send out a few actual GSL players it'll be a completely different story. Taeja or others could potentially all-kill. i honestly don't think morrow can snipe a toss unless its some guy we've never heard of before from SlayerS. he probably couldn't beat alicia, even though ret did. i also disagree with your statement about hasuobs, even though his lategame is good vs non-koreans. any good slayers terran will destroy him, no offense (i do realize hes your countryman and we can always hope) mana and thorzain are the only two people i see taking games, unless something wacky happens. Two months ago Morrow played practice games against SlayersPuzzle (then Zenex) on his stream and absolutely destroyed him about ten times in a row. He also beat HuK pretty handily. I haven't seen him play ZvP in a while but he really was sick good at that matchup - best in EU at that time. About Hasu, that's got nothing to do with being a countryman, he just has solid lategame as you said - of course he'd have problems against good slayers terrans, but I could see him beating SlayerSLots and the like, also Boxer if he plays ( he 3-0'd him in TSL 3). Also it's only one game for every matchup so anything can happen. If Haypro can take games (even if he played very well), I'd say any Mouz player has a chance to do that, too. I'll take your word for it when it comes to Morrow's ZvP in practice games vs koreans. Haven't watched those games. I do like Hasu, i still dont think today is the day where he plays on a korean level (imho tsl doesn't count because of the below). maybe in due time... However, about the bolded: Lag. all koreans looked super chobo in tsl3. adelscott beat MVP. goody beat nestea (rofl). Lag. (not that the foreigners played bad, but if both were on KR im pretty sure results would be different)
I'm not delusional about skill differences, but that's not the point, IPL has exactly the same conditions, KR vs EU, so that won't change.
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Holy, Ryung up 1 base und 20 supply 10 minutes in the game without any major clash.
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Ryung completely dominating as expected
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On October 02 2011 09:13 mordk wrote:
Ryung completely dominating as expected
he is playing clean and standard and proper macro
his opponent is playing scared
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lol Ryung must have killed like 60 units and lost like 1
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omg ryung is outplayin bigs hardcore
haha ironically ryung is playin with an account named "Zerg" and it looks like that also, 4 base ryung vs 2 base bigs lol
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2 base hive into 3 ultra?
LOL this is great
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Just tuned in. Bigs seems to be very dead.
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not sure wtf biggs was going for there
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Boring game was boring.
I don't think it could've been anymore one-sided.
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BCs... harsh. wp by slayers
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On October 02 2011 09:14 SafeAsCheese wrote:
his opponent is playing scared
Ya, he delayed his 3rd forever, althoug Ryung applied only little pressure in the early midgame.
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yamato for ultras ofc.
hopefully mana is sent out and puts up a fight pvt, still think he'll lose but maybe he'll do well
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is this a 1.4.0 game? id really hate to turn off my stream cause IPL was once again casting month old games
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catzpajamas wondering what's their justification for playing on fair ground!
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On October 02 2011 09:27 VPCursed wrote:
is this a 1.4.0 game? id really hate to turn off my stream cause IPL was once again casting month old games
yes man 1.4
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Hmmm Mana would have been a better pick imo
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On October 02 2011 09:27 VPCursed wrote:
is this a 1.4.0 game? id really hate to turn off my stream cause IPL was once again casting month old games
Yes it is
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On October 02 2011 09:27 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 09:27 VPCursed wrote:
is this a 1.4.0 game? id really hate to turn off my stream cause IPL was once again casting month old games Yes it is
thank fucking god.
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Yes these are all 1.4 games, they are less than a week old.
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On October 02 2011 09:28 IGNProLeague wrote:
Yes these are all 1.4 games, they are less than a week old.
awesome, thx :D
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Mmm these are pretty good spawns for hasu... Ryung can't drop him as easily if the positions were reversed
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beautiful maneuvering by HasuObs right there
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SlayerS sent Ryung first ? After sending four B-teamers against Liquid ? 0_0
A biGs victory against any SlayerS player would have been a major upset, so I'm kind of surprised that we didn't see a B-teamer first. Even though Mouz is more fearsome than Liquid overall, this radical change of SlayerS policy is surprising.
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On October 02 2011 09:34 Apom wrote:
SlayerS sent Ryung first ? After sending four B-teamers against Liquid ? 0_0
A biGs victory against any SlayerS player would have been a major upset, so I'm kind of surprised that we didn't see a B-teamer first. Even though Mouz is more fearsome than Liquid overall, this radical change of SlayerS policy is surprising.
I guess thats out of respect for Mouz... especially as Thorzain stayed with them for a while...
Game pretty even right now...
Engagement: Ryung comes out ahead with superior macro
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Why no stormdrops?
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the first two games just made me realize how good of a choice it was by gsl to remove shakuras and crevasse from their mappool, always kinda boring gameplay on those
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On October 02 2011 09:42 RageBot wrote:Why no stormdrops?
I imagine he doesn't want to die by having Templar away when Ryung decides to attack.
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Hasu was playing fucking great that game. :S
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Ryung so good. 75%+ winrate in sc2 international tlpd
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Ryung just tore HasuOrbs a new one. Damn
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Really good micro from Ryung in those engagements.
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...ryung just started to dominate after first engagement with great upgrades... but if hasu landed liek 2-3 more storms it may have been different... ryung so low
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On October 02 2011 09:44 Seronei wrote:
Hasu was playing fucking great that game. :S
Not really. His storms were worse than usual. He could have had that.
Actually I was pretty sure he would take it later in the game.
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Morrow for ZvT? Wouldn't it make more sense to throw out Thorzain right now and save Morrow for a ZvP?
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I guess thats out of respect for Mouz... especially as Thorzain stayed with them for a while...
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Maybe, or more likely ryung was the only one that woke up without a massive hangover.
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On October 02 2011 09:47 Sbrubbles wrote:
Morrow for ZvT? Wouldn't it make more sense to throw out Thorzain right now and save Morrow for a ZvP?
MorroW's ZvT is fricking awesome.
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On October 02 2011 09:47 Sbrubbles wrote:
Morrow for ZvT? Wouldn't it make more sense to throw out Thorzain right now and save Morrow for a ZvP?
Ryung is TvT sniper
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On October 02 2011 09:45 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 09:44 Seronei wrote:
Hasu was playing fucking great that game. :S Not really. His storms were worse than usual. He could have had that. Actually I was pretty sure he would take it later in the game.
Really? His storms were alright.The problem with ghosts and no magic carpet is that there's a schizophrenia to get some use for those storms. Hasu had some lovely stalker control earlier on picking at the marauding force but as the game went on it was just one way traffic.
He was never ever going to win that game.
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On October 02 2011 09:47 Sbrubbles wrote:
Morrow for ZvT? Wouldn't it make more sense to throw out Thorzain right now and save Morrow for a ZvP?
Ryung is a TvT sniper. Very few korean terrans can beat him consistently, let alone a foreigner one.
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On October 02 2011 09:47 Sbrubbles wrote:
Morrow for ZvT? Wouldn't it make more sense to throw out Thorzain right now and save Morrow for a ZvP?
Ryung has godly TvT! I wouldnt be confident for anyone in TvT against Ryung, not even Korean top tier players.
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Oh god, Morrow playing ZvT on TDA. Let's hope Ryung kills him quickly.
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On October 02 2011 09:48 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 09:47 Sbrubbles wrote:
Morrow for ZvT? Wouldn't it make more sense to throw out Thorzain right now and save Morrow for a ZvP? Ryung is TvT sniper
-.- well i guess when you are training in a house which is 85% terran, pretty much everyone is pretty good against terran XD
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On October 02 2011 09:48 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 09:47 Sbrubbles wrote:
Morrow for ZvT? Wouldn't it make more sense to throw out Thorzain right now and save Morrow for a ZvP? Ryung is TvT sniper
I see.
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Ryung is gonna be extremely vulnerable to mutalisk harass
Haha lol scratch that, hadn't seen engi bay
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Very nice engagement by Morrow. Everything dies on both sides, except that Morrow retains msot of his mutas !
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Game's over, Ryung cannot expand he'll starve on 2 base
WP by Morrow
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Well played Morrow. Just need to starve Ryung out from here.
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oh morrow plz finish him before the 45 minute mark
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I still don't know why Terran would commit his entire army to the middle of the map when he can't reinforce whilst Zerg can, and not take a 3rd behind it.
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If only Ryung had half the TvZ game that MMA does he would be a world champ already.
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Why doesn't Morrow harass the third?
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This is starting to get boring, just win already morrow.
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Is MorroW the new Dimaga?
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On October 02 2011 10:05 Telcontar wrote:
Is MorroW the new Dimaga?
I don't see any ultralisk
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morrow plays so fucking frustrating. he will seriously lose so many games to 'comeback terrans' if he plays like this (regardless of his win this time)
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What is morrow doing....he has this just attack
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LOL Morrow lost this game................. LOLOLOLOL
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Oh my god... Morrow just died.
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I think koreans are just gods.
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That was one of the worst attacks I've seen
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Morrow if you lose this you're awful :/
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HAHAAHAHAAAHAHAH
This is ridiculous hahahahaha
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Holy...shit..if Morrow loses LOL
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That was one of the worst engagements I've ever seen.
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What the hell just happened? I look away for a sec then Morrow was dead?
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Even so I don't believe Morrow is going to lose that.
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lol, looks like morrow was paid?
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I can't watch right now, but from the description this sounds like Darkforce vs MVP from the GSPA. Well, except that in this case the zerg actually did lose.
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On October 02 2011 10:01 Tsubbi wrote:
oh morrow plz finish him before the 45 minute mark
i so knew it.. being up 100 supply vs 2 base terran at 18 minutes? np let him take a third... what happened to morrow's zvt :/
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mass muta + broodlords isnt a good mix against mass marines, but it doesn't matter, Morrow will win
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On October 02 2011 10:09 Redmark wrote:
I can't watch right now, but from the description this sounds like Darkforce vs MVP from the GSPA. Well, except that in this case the zerg actually did lose.
well morrow was SO FAR ahead, like SO far, then he wastes 200 supply broodlord/muta for 5 supply but hes still ahead.
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On October 02 2011 10:10 Tsubbi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 10:01 Tsubbi wrote:
oh morrow plz finish him before the 45 minute mark i so knew it.. being up 100 supply vs 2 base terran at 18 minutes? np let him take a third... what happened to morrow's zvt :/
this is what frustrates me so much. so many times he could have won by lazily amoving. chose not to because he is trolling or stupid.
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This is almost as bad as July losing vs MMA in IPL qualis. If MorroW manages to lose its gonna be even worse.
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is this a gag or smthing? he could've a-moved for like 20 min now
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This game is playing out like a joke. It's like they agreed before the game that it should last exactly 1 hour before ending. Some strange shit right here.
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This is why there are 20 Terrans in Code S. Protoss or Zerg can never come back from that kind of situation.
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I cannot believe what I'm seeing. It's almost as if Morrow doesn't want to win.
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morrow has so much unused larvae, and at 163 supply, what's he saving it for?
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Morrow had literally won the game when he attacked ryung's 3rd, all he needed to do was move his mutas over the barracks and send another wave of lings.
He did it again when ryung had 0 vikings and he had just morphed 7 broods on top of the huge muta flock, send em over to the cliff, camp production GG. ----- >decides to do nothing and wait for terran to macro up
what the hell
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Morrow is trolling us, it's the only possible explanation. Seriously.
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On October 02 2011 10:13 Toadvine wrote:
This is why there are 20 Terrans in Code S. Protoss or Zerg can never come back from that kind of situation.
Stop balance whining, Morrow could have ended this at any point, he's engaging incredibly poorly/not at all.
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Beautiful fantastic play by morrow. Definitely will be stealing this.
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Morrow must be messing around with us.
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Super passive play meets fantasy gg-timing..........
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I don't understand all the praise, objective casters would understand this game has been over since that attack on the third around 20 mins ago
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I respect the casters trying to stay positive for the viewers, but they have to call out stuff like this. I can't believe they're just dandy with how this game is turning out.
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He's trying to coin the name spoon killer Zerg.
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Morrow only up 60 supply and banking 4k/3k, this should take at least further 30 minutes.
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Ryung just needs to mass ghosts like Mvp did and camp a planetary and he is unkillable :D
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Morrow is waiting for a gg .. Ryung has very bad gg timing
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Well, watching this is kinda funny and kinda sad....
Extremely safe, excellent play by Morrow but this is just really boring by now.
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Morrow wants ryung to GG without engaging
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It would suck for Morrow to lose this for letting Ryung hang around for so long.
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On October 02 2011 10:17 Telcontar wrote:
I respect the casters trying to stay positive for the viewers, but they have to call out stuff like this. I can't believe they're just dandy with how this game is turning out.
seriously, i'd much rather see them making fun of the players for 20 minutes already instead of this blabla
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This is just getting boring now D:
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On October 02 2011 10:14 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 10:13 Toadvine wrote:
This is why there are 20 Terrans in Code S. Protoss or Zerg can never come back from that kind of situation. Stop balance whining, Morrow could have ended this at any point, he's engaging incredibly poorly/not at all.
It's not balance whine, just a statement of fact. If this was a Terran 100 supply up over a Protoss, he could dance half his army around without attacking in the middle of an engagement and still win easily. Being able to do stuff like this is why good players have more success with Terran. Ryung will probably lose this game, but Terrans do win in similar situations on a regular basis.
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Jesus christ, thank you god...
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FINALLY!
should have been over 20 minutes ago..
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On October 02 2011 10:01 Tsubbi wrote:
oh morrow plz finish him before the 45 minute mark
damn missed it by 6 seconds
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That was annoying trolling by MorroW. But i guess that's the purpose of trolling.
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For fuck sakes. That was god awful. I haven't been more frustrated by a game of SC2.
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morrow won the game when Ryung never expanded, he then proceeded to re-win the game 25 times in the next 46 minutes
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Easy win for Morrow incoming imo.
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That was a very long game.
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LOL at last... Morrow doesn't seem to know how to engage. Which would explain why he's so reluctant to attack a terran. Any other zerg in that position would have ended the game a long time ago.
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Wow, so, even though I feel like Morrow should've won like... a half hour ago... I still really enjoyed the game lol
Morrow is always really fun to watch, and it was cool seeing zerg get played swarm style :p
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lol that really took a while
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On October 02 2011 09:49 Toadvine wrote:
Oh god, Morrow playing ZvT on TDA. Let's hope Ryung kills him quickly.
I have seen this happen before.
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This is just how Morrow plays vs Terran. According to him it is just too risky trying to go for the kill against Terrans so he just starve them out.
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Morrow has ridiculously fun to watch ZvT early to mid game, but his really solid late game is really boring to watch. Extremely passive for ~20 minutes.
Still such a beast. One of my favorites.
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A few mistakes but very nicely done by Morrow there
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Lots? Ok, this should be possible for MorroW, if he stops trolling around...
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Morrow's style ensures that he can't win more than one game because its just so taxing to play multiple one hour games :|
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On October 02 2011 10:19 Toadvine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 10:14 cyprin wrote:On October 02 2011 10:13 Toadvine wrote:
This is why there are 20 Terrans in Code S. Protoss or Zerg can never come back from that kind of situation. Stop balance whining, Morrow could have ended this at any point, he's engaging incredibly poorly/not at all. It's not balance whine, just a statement of fact. If this was a Terran 100 supply up over a Protoss, he could dance half his army around without attacking in the middle of an engagement and still win easily. Being able to do stuff like this is why good players have more success with Terran. Ryung will probably lose this game, but Terrans do win in similar situations on a regular basis.
Zergs have bombed entire marine forces with banelings, toss has stormed bigger armies to death, Toss can turtle into death ball.
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On October 02 2011 10:21 mordk wrote:
LOL at last... Morrow doesn't seem to know how to engage. Which would explain why he's so reluctant to attack a terran. Any other zerg in that position would have ended the game a long time ago.
So how did he get into the engagements that he won to get into this favorable situation?
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On October 02 2011 10:19 Toadvine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 10:14 cyprin wrote:On October 02 2011 10:13 Toadvine wrote:
This is why there are 20 Terrans in Code S. Protoss or Zerg can never come back from that kind of situation. Stop balance whining, Morrow could have ended this at any point, he's engaging incredibly poorly/not at all. It's not balance whine, just a statement of fact. If this was a Terran 100 supply up over a Protoss, he could dance half his army around without attacking in the middle of an engagement and still win easily. Being able to do stuff like this is why good players have more success with Terran. Ryung will probably lose this game, but Terrans do win in similar situations on a regular basis.
You're wrong, Morrow could have ended the game with 100% win rate when he was up by 100 supply but chose not to or was unaware he could or didn't want to. It has nothing to do at all with the terran race being too strong.
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On October 02 2011 10:20 Telcontar wrote:
For fuck sakes. That was god awful. I haven't been more frustrated by a game of SC2.
That was exactly how 50% of my ZvT's look like. Except that I loose them. No Balance whine btw. Im gold lol -.-
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MorroW is one of the best Zergs for a reason, and he had a good reason to starve the Terran out. I mean look at this marines raping his mutas and broodlords mid game, he could have fucking lost the game right there because marine dps is ridiculous... but he made a good choice and kinda starved out the terran instead. Dont blame him for being passive, it was a good choice of him to win the game.
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On October 02 2011 10:22 Eury wrote:
This is just how Morrow plays vs Terran. According to him it is just too risky trying to go for the kill against Terrans so he just starve them out.
starving out includes not allowing his opponent to expand, which he never does
i think he's just not confident in the midgame/unaware of the ingame situation, there's been ton of similar frustrating games by morrow lately
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On October 02 2011 10:22 Eury wrote:
This is just how Morrow plays vs Terran. According to him it is just too risky trying to go for the kill against Terrans so he just starve them out.
IMO he just doesn't know how to engage properly. He should take lessons from DRG.
On October 02 2011 10:24 Deekin[ wrote:
MorroW is one of the best Zergs for a reason, and he had a good reason to starve the Terran out. I mean look at this marines raping his mutas and broodlords mid game, he could have fucking lost the game right there because marine dps is ridiculous... but he made a good choice and kinda starved out the terran instead. Dont blame him for being passive, it was a good choice of him to win the game.
This happens because you engage on open ground, without enough infestors. Bad positioning, bad unit composition, bad battle overall. I insist, his engagements are really poor. His decision making is pretty good though, I think he realizes his problems in ZvT, and as such opts to drag the game out like that, but he could improve a lot by engaging better.
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On October 02 2011 10:23 lariat wrote:
Morrow's style ensures that he can't win more than one game because its just so taxing to play multiple one hour games :|
If you are a pro gamer i would think its pretty relaxing to just chill a game out.
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I tuned in the last 10 minutes, of morrw vs ryung, LOL WTF! WTF!?
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i thought that was a very good and entertaining game. their army size was pretty similar it seemed to me, not that much of a blowout. ryung just had no workers, thats y his food count was so much lower
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On October 02 2011 10:24 Deekin[ wrote:
MorroW is one of the best Zergs for a reason, and he had a good reason to starve the Terran out. I mean look at this marines raping his mutas and broodlords mid game, he could have fucking lost the game right there because marine dps is ridiculous... but he made a good choice and kinda starved out the terran instead. Dont blame him for being passive, it was a good choice of him to win the game.
that only happened because morrow suicided his units, if he would have attacked with the brood in the front he would have won that engagement
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There's safe, then there's so safe that it's actually risky. MorroW needs to find the line.
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That was a very epic game, haha. It seems like Morrow was thinking 'okay, I've got 3/4 of the map controlled, and he's nearly mined out. Let's turtle up and starve him. Also Ultras
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On October 02 2011 09:23 Antithesis wrote:Ya, he delayed his 3rd forever, althoug Ryung applied only little pressure in the early midgame.
tbh Lots is probaby a stronger tvz player than Ryung.
also, can someone recap the Hasu game for me?
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On October 02 2011 10:26 icarly wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 09:23 Antithesis wrote:On October 02 2011 09:14 SafeAsCheese wrote:
his opponent is playing scared Ya, he delayed his 3rd forever, althoug Ryung applied only little pressure in the early midgame. tbh Lots is probaby a stronger tvz player than Ryung. also, can someone recap the Hasu game for me?
It was a pretty good game, centered around controlling casters and mid plateau.
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On October 02 2011 10:26 icarly wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 09:23 Antithesis wrote:On October 02 2011 09:14 SafeAsCheese wrote:
his opponent is playing scared Ya, he delayed his 3rd forever, althoug Ryung applied only little pressure in the early midgame. tbh Lots is probaby a stronger tvz player than Ryung. also, can someone recap the Hasu game for me?
Ryung took an early econ advantage(15CC) and then constantly pressured Hasu the entire game.
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no stim on creep? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm a Korean Terran.
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Ahhh! I'm never going to be able to build a drone again.
/well....a everybody heard about the drone/
/drone drone drone a drone drone drone/
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On October 02 2011 10:25 Telcontar wrote:
There's safe, then there's so safe that it's actually risky. MorroW needs to find the line.
He killed/denied the expansions of ryung and that's the only thing he has to do. It's never risky if you have 4 bases, the better army and a lot ressources against a player with zero income.
If we have to blame someone for the last 10 minutes, it's Ryung.
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On October 02 2011 10:24 Tsubbi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 10:22 Eury wrote:
This is just how Morrow plays vs Terran. According to him it is just too risky trying to go for the kill against Terrans so he just starve them out. starving out includes not allowing his opponent to expand, which he never does i think he's just not confident in the midgame/unaware of the ingame situation, there's been ton of similar frustrating games by morrow lately
He never allowed Ryung to expand past his third. The fourth and fifth were constantly denied.
Very solid late game by Morrow, and the first big engagement was excellent too.
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On October 02 2011 10:31 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 10:25 Telcontar wrote:
There's safe, then there's so safe that it's actually risky. MorroW needs to find the line. He killed/denied the expansions of ryung and that's the only thing he has to do. It's never risky if you have 4 bases, the better army and a lot ressources against a player with zero income. If we have to blame someone for the last 10 minutes, it's Ryung.
I have to agree, containing and starving out your opponent when you have the lead is strategically the correct move. It was nice to see it pulled off against a very good player
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he could never get up a good count again
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On October 02 2011 10:35 Badfatpanda wrote:
SO. Many. Banelings.
Boom goes the Planetary!
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He can't win but beautiful marine spread and hold from ryung.
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OMG those were amazing marine splits!
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On October 02 2011 10:37 rigelq wrote:
OMG those were amazing marine splits!
Yeah, it was overshadowed by the fact that MorroW had enough blings to kill him regardless, but those splits were amazing.
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Some nice play by MorroW. Keep it up!
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Morrow is just trolling now
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Hi  Fantasy didn't know you played SC2 ><
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Another one bites it :p, time to send MMA
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On October 02 2011 10:39 Badfatpanda wrote:Hi Fantasy didn't know you played SC2 ><
It's BoxeR's team. It's understandable.
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Banelings! *brain poof* That is just some sick usage!
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On October 02 2011 10:39 Badfatpanda wrote:Hi Fantasy didn't know you played SC2 ><
Haha yup...gg by Morrow though!
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On October 02 2011 10:39 Badfatpanda wrote:Hi Fantasy didn't know you played SC2 ><
Wasn't fanta, the bio control too good / hellion control too bad
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morrow's ling/bling/muta is like what idra's used to be when he was in korea.
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Morrow looked unstoppable that game haha
I love how zerg players are massing lings instead of roaches now. So much more entertaining and zerg-like.
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On October 02 2011 10:37 rigelq wrote:
OMG those were amazing marine splits!
By splits do you mean how Morrows blings melted them away then yeah i agree.
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Keep doing 2 base all ins Terran, glad Morrow punished this. 30 marines 2 tanks is way scarier than 15 marines 4 tanks anyway.
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Oh, Morrow going to lose now
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On October 02 2011 10:39 Elefanto wrote:Wasn't fanta, the bio control too good / hellion control too bad
LOL wp sir, wp
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Why do terrans keep making that expansion a planetary fortress against anything that isn't roaches? If you lift up an orbital command, it lives, if you build a PF, it just sits there and dies.
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TvZ again, though now it's time to root for the Terran!
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Morrow just eating the Terrans. Just couple more games mouz.
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cant believe slayers have to send out their A team against mouz
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thorzain can kill coca if morrow fails
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Go Coca, show off that sick macro of yours and kill the rest of the team!
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I hoped they'd send a toss - Alicia or Puzzle... I don't see anyone stopping Coca unfortunately. Prove me wrong, Mouz!
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I love MorroW style in ZvT, just a few muta to keep it safe from drops, and MASS baneling zergling.
Terran need a lot of tanks and good infantry upgrade to deal with that.
Kinda sad that SlayerS seems to know that morrow weakness is making him go against a zerg.
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I wonder if there was drama about morrow switching or if he let them know beforehand considering it greatly affects the choice of player to send in a team league.
I'm not trying to start anything, just wondering cause I thought this was banned (or frowned upon) in BW.
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On October 02 2011 10:43 StarVe wrote:
I hoped they'd send a toss - Alicia or Puzzle... I don't see anyone stopping Coca unfortunately. Prove me wrong, Mouz!
Yeah sending Coca is totally mean.
For nearly all mouz players XvZ is their worst matchup.
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If Lots simply pulled back with that 2base push, he would have been ridiculously far ahead.
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On October 02 2011 10:41 tree.hugger wrote:
Why do terrans keep making that expansion a planetary fortress against anything that isn't roaches? If you lift up an orbital command, it lives, if you build a PF, it just sits there and dies. Lifting off is the good option for peripheral expansions. Not so much for forward extensions where you will be making a stand anyways.
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lol...why doesn't morrow just try to learn zvz -.-
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Terran is VERY good on metal morrow is smart
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On October 02 2011 10:46 coolyou wrote:Terran is VERY good on metal morrow is smart
Cross spawn? ><
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On October 02 2011 10:46 coolyou wrote:Terran is VERY good on metal morrow is smart
he doesnt play zvz, so he plays zvt and tvz and zvp
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On October 02 2011 10:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
lol...why doesn't morrow just try to learn zvz -.-
He was not that bad at ZvZ, he just didnt like the matchup and felt it is to chancy.
Remember he also switched to zerg for fun. So playing T versus Z if he likes this matchup more makes sense for him.
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On October 02 2011 10:46 coolyou wrote:Terran is VERY good on metal morrow is smart
I think Coca picked the map and Morrow would have played T anyways.
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On October 02 2011 10:46 coolyou wrote:Terran is VERY good on metal morrow is smart
Wel, the loosing team picks the map so Morrow didn't have much to do with that :-)
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lol at first I saw the matchup and thought "haha poor mouz"
Then I looked at the player list.
Should be a good series. Let's go Morrow and Mana!
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Poll: Is race picking in a Team League match fair?Of Course. (26) 62% Absolutely not. (9) 21% I'm unsure. (7) 17% 42 total votes Your vote: Is race picking in a Team League match fair? (Vote): Of Course.
(Vote): Absolutely not.
(Vote): I'm unsure.
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On October 02 2011 10:52 Corrik wrote:Poll: Is race picking in a Team League match fair?Of Course. (26) 62% Absolutely not. (9) 21% I'm unsure. (7) 17% 42 total votes Your vote: Is race picking in a Team League match fair? (Vote): Of Course.
(Vote): Absolutely not.
(Vote): I'm unsure.
As long as they were told beforehand that MorroW would playing as terran vs zerg, I don't see a problem here.
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nice baneling targeting thought that's gonna end way worse o_o
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On October 02 2011 10:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
lol...why doesn't morrow just try to learn zvz -.-
He stated he doesn't like the match-up. I can't really blame him, it's been under-developped forever.
Some say that he switched to T for TvZ because of  Nerchio, whose ZvZ destroys everyone in European tournaments.
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Awsome baneling focus firing and positioning by morrow.
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Pretty terrible engagement by CoCa
Once terran gets positioning behind the minerals it's not even worth trying.
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On October 02 2011 10:45 Apom wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 10:41 tree.hugger wrote:
Why do terrans keep making that expansion a planetary fortress against anything that isn't roaches? If you lift up an orbital command, it lives, if you build a PF, it just sits there and dies. Lifting off is the good option for peripheral expansions. Not so much for forward extensions where you will be making a stand anyways. I'm aware of the reason terrans do it, but I think the reason is stupid. Rhetorical question. Against certain compositions from zerg, you don't "make a stand". The added bonus from the PF in terms of damage is really not so important against dedicated ling baneling armies.
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On October 02 2011 10:53 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 10:52 Corrik wrote:Poll: Is race picking in a Team League match fair?Of Course. (26) 62% Absolutely not. (9) 21% I'm unsure. (7) 17% 42 total votes Your vote: Is race picking in a Team League match fair? (Vote): Of Course.
(Vote): Absolutely not.
(Vote): I'm unsure.
As long as they were told beforehand that MorroW would playing as terran vs zerg, I don't see a problem here.
Are we sure that's the situation? Maybe it is allowed period.
Like would it be fair if someone just picked his opponents weakest matchups? Not saying that is the case, but it is possible since we don't know the details.
I'm honestly unsure if it is unfair or not. Kind of kills sniping though.
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I think racepicking is probably fine as long as Slayers is clear that Morrow plays TvZ.
Edit: Also as long as he plays TvZ against every zerg, no matter how good the ZvT of the zerg chosen is/how bad their ZvZ is.
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Surely MorroW must know passivity doesn't work in TvZ?
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god morrow is so passive after great start hes behind again
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meh good try.
no use getting angry at morrow for being passive, he goes to the next level. thorzain is less passive/at least more aggressive economically
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That creepspread completely destroyed Morrow LOL
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So what are the actual results thus far anyone? OP doesn't seem to be updated fully.
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Morrow afk
or fantasy gg timing
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at least coca knows how and when to just kill his opponent.
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Well, it's time for the spoon terran :p
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On October 02 2011 11:00 The KY wrote:
So what are the actual results thus far anyone? OP doesn't seem to be updated fully.
Ryung>bigs
Ryung>HasuObs
Ryung<Morrow
Lots<Morrow
Coca>Morrow
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Hell of a way to finish that game, CoCa. 0_o
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mouz still has MaNa and Thorzain left right?
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On October 02 2011 11:00 The KY wrote:
So what are the actual results thus far anyone? OP doesn't seem to be updated fully.
It's 3-2 SlayerS
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On October 02 2011 11:01 Termit wrote:
mouz still has MaNa and Thorzain left right?
Yep, probably thorzain coming up right now.
Ow, pretty strange pick there. Mana's PvZ has improved but I don't know if it's enough to beat coca.
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Germany442 Posts
MaNa
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Mana...wtf mouz. Are you familiar with coca? -.-
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Mana vs Coca who has a beastly ZvP? =/
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Got to go with Thorzain. Mana would get lit up by Coca.
Edit: Okay, I guess not.
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this is bo9 right? can't wait for thorzain, since he did live in slayers house
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Why Mana? Coca is a ZvP beast @_@
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Mouz, what are you doing? You know who Coca is right?
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Whut? I'd have put Thorzain out. Whatever, GL Mana!
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Did morrow play T all 3 games?
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The fact that Morrow can OFFRACE and even still compete against a CODE S zerg is pretty impressive. But ya gotta figure that Morrow doesn't practice terran too much... I kinda wish he would just get better at ZvZ lol
Still, great run from Morrow. The guy's got so much potential and really deserves better results than he's been getting lately. It's too bad he doesn't seem to have any interest in going to Korea.
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Ehrm No idea why they're putting out Mana against a Zerg, especially one that has a ZvP as good as Coca.
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On October 02 2011 11:01 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:00 The KY wrote:
So what are the actual results thus far anyone? OP doesn't seem to be updated fully. Ryung>bigs Ryung>HasuObs Ryung<Morrow Lots<Morrow Coca>Morrow
Ta. Gj Morrow!
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Time for overseer shenanigans, SlayerS?
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On October 02 2011 11:03 Daniel C wrote:
Did morrow play T all 3 games?
Played Z vs Ryung and Lots
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On October 02 2011 11:03 Daniel C wrote:
Did morrow play T all 3 games?
He played Z vs T twice as Zerg
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On October 02 2011 11:03 Fighter wrote:
The fact that Morrow can OFFRACE and even still compete against a CODE S zerg is pretty impressive. But ya gotta figure that Morrow doesn't practice terran too much... I kinda wish he would just get better at ZvZ lol
He obviously practices tvz regularly!?
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I know MaNa's ZvP improved, but of all races to go against CoCa? What' their plan behind this? D:
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5-2 by far the most likely result now I think. Coca's ZvP is off the hook and he's definitely the favourite vs Thorzain as well.
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Mouz Morrow vs Zerg is really setting them back.
They need a XvZ specialist.
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On October 02 2011 11:03 Fighter wrote:
The fact that Morrow can OFFRACE and even still compete against a CODE S zerg is pretty impressive. But ya gotta figure that Morrow doesn't practice terran too much... I kinda wish he would just get better at ZvZ lol
Still, great run from Morrow. The guy's got so much potential and really deserves better results than he's been getting lately. It's too bad he doesn't seem to have any interest in going to Korea.
It shows that the very top Europeans can compete with Korean pros. Morrow, Mana, and Dimaga all showed this in recent tournaments - and without going to Korea.
Seems like the gap is closing at the top.
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On October 02 2011 11:05 .Riot wrote:
I know MaNa's ZvP improved, but of all races to go against CoCa? What' their plan behind this? D:
It's still nowhere near as good as his PvT, I have no idea what Mouz is thinking.
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On October 02 2011 11:03 Fighter wrote:
Still, great run from Morrow. The guy's got so much potential and really deserves better results than he's been getting lately. It's too bad he doesn't seem to have any interest in going to Korea.
He'll go to Korea for WCG and stay there for a while!
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On October 02 2011 11:03 Fighter wrote:
The fact that Morrow can OFFRACE and even still compete against a CODE S zerg is pretty impressive. But ya gotta figure that Morrow doesn't practice terran too much... I kinda wish he would just get better at ZvZ lol
Still, great run from Morrow. The guy's got so much potential and really deserves better results than he's been getting lately. It's too bad he doesn't seem to have any interest in going to Korea.
To be fair he used to main terran, and won practically everything in the beta with it. Still impressive from Morrow though.
With the Mana pick, well he does beat Stephano all the time, his PvZ must be pretty good.
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Why...
I love Mana, don't get me wrong, he's one of my favorite players, but you put the PvZ he's uncomfortable with against one of the top 3 ZvPers in the world instead of Thorzain who has absolutely brilliant positioning and game sense in TvZ.
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I wouldn't call Morrow playing TvZ offracing as thats what he has been doing for months now.
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On October 02 2011 11:03 Fighter wrote:
The fact that Morrow can OFFRACE and even still compete against a CODE S zerg is pretty impressive. But ya gotta figure that Morrow doesn't practice terran too much... I kinda wish he would just get better at ZvZ lol
Still, great run from Morrow. The guy's got so much potential and really deserves better results than he's been getting lately. It's too bad he doesn't seem to have any interest in going to Korea.
He did not offrace :-/ Morrow's race is Zerg when he plays a Protoss or a Terran, and his race is Terran when he plays a Zerg.
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On October 02 2011 11:07 Darclite wrote:
Why...
I love Mana, don't get me wrong, he's one of my favorite players, but you put the PvZ he's uncomfortable with against one of the top 3 ZvPers in the world instead of Thorzain who has absolutely brilliant positioning and game sense in TvZ.
Mana is pretty damn good in PvZ nowadays actually.
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Roachling all in. Perfect counter.
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There goes mana ...
Great mind game by Coca
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The outcome of this game will decide my SangHo vs CoCa TL-bet.
Great play by MorroW. Two SlayerS wins is quite good. :D
Edit: Oh..that was kinda fast. :S
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Better hope Thorzain all-kills xD
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good decision by coca, gg
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Well, that was anticlimactic... Then again, it's nice to see a quick game on Terminus.
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On October 02 2011 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Better hope Thorzain all-kills xD
Hope?
Please, he's got this.
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On October 02 2011 11:05 Orome wrote:
5-2 by far the most likely result now I think. Coca's ZvP is off the hook and he's definitely the favourite vs Thorzain as well.
Yeah probably, but maybe Tzain can pull it off. Mouz has made some questionable player choices so far. I would have sent out Mana against Ryung instead of Hasu (altough the map was very close) and kept Hasu for a possible Zerg, since it is his best MU.
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Nice decision by Coca there
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On October 02 2011 11:11 Sphaero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:05 Orome wrote:
5-2 by far the most likely result now I think. Coca's ZvP is off the hook and he's definitely the favourite vs Thorzain as well. Yeah probably, but maybe Tzain can pull it off. Mouz has made some questionable player choices so far. I would have sent out Mana against Ryung instead of Hasu (altough the map was very close) and kept Hasu for a possible Zerg, since it is his best MU.
There's a possibility that he'll all-kill ye, but I think Thorzain taking out Coca woudl still be an upset.
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On October 02 2011 11:11 Darclite wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Better hope Thorzain all-kills xD Hope? Please, he's got this.
Except that Coca is one of the Top 3 Zergs in the World.
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Thorzain should know Coca pretty well as he lived in the SlayerS house for a little while. And after how well he played vs DRG at DH Valencia, he can win this.
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There are ways to be greedy and safe at the same time, but a ton of Protosses decide that making just 1 cannon and not scouting at all is perfectly fine. If you scout then it is impossible for zerg to punish you no matter what.
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both 1 base baneling and 1 base roach beat 1 cannon Protoss. Coca made a coinflip work I suppose.
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On October 02 2011 11:11 Darclite wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Better hope Thorzain all-kills xD Hope? Please, he's got this.
thorzains tvz is pretty weak, nerchio wins like every game they play against each other
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On October 02 2011 11:11 Darclite wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Better hope Thorzain all-kills xD Hope? Please, he's got this.
Coca is not an easy task.
It's not DRG ZvT level, but still, it's only one match.so everything can happend.
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On October 02 2011 11:13 MrKn4rz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:11 Darclite wrote:On October 02 2011 11:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Better hope Thorzain all-kills xD Hope? Please, he's got this. Except that Coca is one of the Top 3 Zergs in the World.
Remember, it was only 2 weeks ago that Thorzain almost beat DRG in a bo5 at DH
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On October 02 2011 11:06 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:03 Fighter wrote:
Still, great run from Morrow. The guy's got so much potential and really deserves better results than he's been getting lately. It's too bad he doesn't seem to have any interest in going to Korea. He'll go to Korea for WCG and stay there for a while!
Wait, is he? He's staying beyond the length of just WCG? Has he suggested for how long?
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I was kinda joking, everyone, I know Coca is amazing, I'm just supporting Thorzain because he is adorable. And he does actually have a chance.
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On October 02 2011 11:13 jmbthirteen wrote:
Thorzain should know Coca pretty well as he lived in the SlayerS house for a little while. And after how well he played vs DRG at DH Valencia, he can win this.
Only one of the games Thorzain won against DRG was really that serious. It just also happens that DRG was massively down and almost came back. The second game Thorzain won, DRG could've taken if he didn't try to all in while he was up.
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Hyungnim = older brother figure
Dongseng = younger brother figure
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On October 02 2011 11:16 Telcontar wrote:
Hyungnim = older brother figure
Dongseng = younger brother figure
Ah okay! ^_^
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On October 02 2011 11:16 Telcontar wrote:
Hyungnim = older brother figure
Dongseng = younger brother figure
Younger overlord brother?
Okay lol
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On October 02 2011 11:16 Telcontar wrote:
Hyungnim = older brother figure
Dongseng = younger brother figure
TY, I have the stream muted b/c I'm doing hw and was wondering about that lol
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aww SlayerS and Thorzain are so cute together.
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On October 02 2011 11:14 Fighter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:06 StarVe wrote:On October 02 2011 11:03 Fighter wrote:
Still, great run from Morrow. The guy's got so much potential and really deserves better results than he's been getting lately. It's too bad he doesn't seem to have any interest in going to Korea. He'll go to Korea for WCG and stay there for a while! Wait, is he? He's staying beyond the length of just WCG? Has he suggested for how long?
HasuObs mentioned it in a podcast. He said, it'll probably be at least a month.
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On October 02 2011 11:19 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:14 Fighter wrote:On October 02 2011 11:06 StarVe wrote:On October 02 2011 11:03 Fighter wrote:
Still, great run from Morrow. The guy's got so much potential and really deserves better results than he's been getting lately. It's too bad he doesn't seem to have any interest in going to Korea. He'll go to Korea for WCG and stay there for a while! Wait, is he? He's staying beyond the length of just WCG? Has he suggested for how long? HasuObs mentioned it in a podcast. He said, it'll probably be at least a month.
omg that would be so awesome, glad for him
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thorzain really is quite good..
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wtf thorzain how are you this good
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Two scv's making sweet love to each other in the middle of the fight. <3
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Beautiful play by Thorzain. His TvZ has improved so much.
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On October 02 2011 11:25 PieLieDie wrote:
thorzain really is quite good..
He's OK
+ Show Spoiler +
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Uncharacteristic bad macro by coca.
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On October 02 2011 11:19 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:14 Fighter wrote:On October 02 2011 11:06 StarVe wrote:On October 02 2011 11:03 Fighter wrote:
Still, great run from Morrow. The guy's got so much potential and really deserves better results than he's been getting lately. It's too bad he doesn't seem to have any interest in going to Korea. He'll go to Korea for WCG and stay there for a while! Wait, is he? He's staying beyond the length of just WCG? Has he suggested for how long? HasuObs mentioned it in a podcast. He said, it'll probably be at least a month.
Can you maybe send me a link to the mentioned Podcast?
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Wow ... Thorzain so damn patient!!!
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Damn the baller tank got killed.
Excellent timing, micro, and build by Thorzain, well done.
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Timing was perfect since Coca was on 2 base with pretty quick mutas + bane speed.
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See, thorzain should have come out last round. Would've still had mana waiting for slayers' deadly terrans
edit: oh shi--- forgot about puzzle
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That was some pretty sick timing push.
The addition of the +1 attack at the classic 10min marine tank with siege/stim/shield really make it scary.
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Go puzzle! Don't play like crap >.>
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On October 02 2011 11:26 MrKn4rz wrote:
Can you maybe send me a link to the mentioned Podcast?
http://www.sc2pro.de/
Scroll down. Its the video cast in the middle of the page.
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Puzzle huh? Slayers really aren't messing around this time.
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Thorzain, such a boss... but why couldn't your TvZ have been this good back when you tried your GSL run?
Doesn't matter. Every loss only makes him stronger...
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Thorzain's TvZ got so good in Korea. First he takes 2 games off DRG and now takes down Coca, very impressive for what used to be his worst match up.
And now Puzzle? He could win this as his TvP is sooooo strong
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On October 02 2011 11:26 MrKn4rz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:19 StarVe wrote:On October 02 2011 11:14 Fighter wrote:On October 02 2011 11:06 StarVe wrote:On October 02 2011 11:03 Fighter wrote:
Still, great run from Morrow. The guy's got so much potential and really deserves better results than he's been getting lately. It's too bad he doesn't seem to have any interest in going to Korea. He'll go to Korea for WCG and stay there for a while! Wait, is he? He's staying beyond the length of just WCG? Has he suggested for how long? HasuObs mentioned it in a podcast. He said, it'll probably be at least a month. Can you maybe send me a link to the mentioned Podcast?
http://www.sc2pro.de/?page_id=76
I think it's in episode 10 at the end.
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On October 02 2011 11:27 lariat wrote:
CoCa was paddled.
Spooned*
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This is gonna get hard. Although Puzzle played really really bad in Code S, so I hope ThorZaIN can take this. Gogogo mouz!!! <3
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Thorzain is pretty good it seems. Such a nice timing, and excellent marine control.
On October 02 2011 11:25 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Two scv's making sweet love to each other in the middle of the fight. <3
Haha I thought of Nerd Alert when I saw that.
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On October 02 2011 11:28 Fighter wrote:
Thorzain, such a boss... but why couldn't your TvZ have been this good back when you tried your GSL run?
Doesn't matter. Every loss only makes him stronger...
Cause his GSL match was like a day after he got to Korea :\
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Thorzain you complete baller.
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tbh, slayers is not taking this seriously still. I mean they coulda played MMA/taeja/ganzi
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Puzzle really hasn't impressed me in a good while.
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SlayerS has played 3 Code S players, Ryung, Coca and Puzzle.
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Yeah, but Ryung/Puzzle/Coca are definitely A-teamers. Those are guys they play in GSTL.
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On October 02 2011 11:16 Mainland wrote:
Coca has this.
Hahaha what a moron.
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On October 02 2011 11:32 Maghetti wrote:
Take that MLG!
What were they saying? I caught the tail end :-/
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On October 02 2011 11:32 Shaetan wrote:What were they saying? I caught the tail end :-/
IPL gives more money than MLG
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On October 02 2011 11:31 InvictusRage wrote:
Yeah, but Ryung/Puzzle/Coca are definitely A-teamers. Those are guys they play in GSTL.
They play MMA in GSTL too. Code S is Code S. Ryung and Coca both went 2-0 in group stages too. And Puzzle won Code A not too long ago.
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On October 02 2011 11:32 Shaetan wrote:What were they saying? I caught the tail end :-/
said basically 30 something placement is same price as like top 15 for MLG.
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On October 02 2011 11:30 koolaid1990 wrote:
tbh, slayers is not taking this seriously still. I mean they coulda played MMA/taeja/ganzi
Wut? Well, Lots is B-Team I guess, but Ryung, CoCa and Puzzle? They are very strong players, they're all currently in Code S and are arguebly the best players of their race in the SlayerS roster.
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On October 02 2011 11:29 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:28 Fighter wrote:
Thorzain, such a boss... but why couldn't your TvZ have been this good back when you tried your GSL run?
Doesn't matter. Every loss only makes him stronger... Cause his GSL match was like a day after he got to Korea :\
Yeah, there was a schedule conflict due to Blizzcon qualifiers, and then the plance to Korea got delayed. Both him and Naniwa could only catch a couple of hours of sleep the night before their matches.
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Oh well, I guess it's over now...
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not looking good for tzain now =(
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On October 02 2011 11:36 mordk wrote:
Good old 4-gate
He has a 2nd nexus and was making probes the whole time >.>
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Yeah, that was way too greedy and Puzzle took advantage.
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On October 02 2011 11:33 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:32 Shaetan wrote:On October 02 2011 11:32 Maghetti wrote:
Take that MLG! What were they saying? I caught the tail end :-/ said basically 30 something placement is same price as like top 15 for MLG.
top 5 lol
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There's an artosis pylon.
Edit: lol never mind
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On October 02 2011 11:28 Sphaero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:26 MrKn4rz wrote:
Can you maybe send me a link to the mentioned Podcast? http://www.sc2pro.de/Scroll down. Its the video cast in the middle of the page.
thx a lot!
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On October 02 2011 11:38 Maghetti wrote:He has a 2nd nexus and was making probes the whole time >.>
I'm not complaining or calling him a cheeser. He just saw an opportunity to strike with a 4-gate timing. I don't think it was his initial plan.
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Four or five free templar. That's a BIG kill.
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Holy fucking shit Thorzain is amazing.
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Down 20 workers? No problem.
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Nevermind what I said, this is gonna get close!
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holy shit thorzain is actually coming back from this..
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Down 20 workers? No problem. Mules.
<3
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On October 02 2011 11:42 wuddersup wrote:
Down 20 workers? No problem.
Hes got mules yo
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Needs blink stalkers right now... Templars aren't enough to hold multiple drops. C'mon puzzle you HAD to know drops were the only way thorzain could come back from that.
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just as I thought he could come back =(
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wow puzzle almost blew that. was too close. should've gone back to base, make more gateways and kill thorzain with stalker/zealots.
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Thorzain's micro and control is just AMAZING
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sigh puzzle is lagging...that templar control is terrible
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On October 02 2011 11:42 Trowa127 wrote:
Down 20 workers? No problem. Mules.
<3
CD on your warpgates so you can't warp in where ever you want on the map? No problem. Chronoboost.
hehe
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Puzzle is playing so bad right now it's funny, I wonder if he's lagging.
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I don't mean to start a balance whine, but how the hell is T-Zain still equal or ahead after losing almost 70 workers? T_T
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Painuser knows where it's at; I fucking HAAAAAAATE zealots x)
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I go to say, chargelot archon is terribad. Korean toss feels forced into it but it is just soooo bad.
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It's ok, he's got mules right.
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On October 02 2011 11:45 Daralii wrote:
I don't mean to start a balance whine, but how the hell is T-Zain still equal or ahead after losing almost 70 workers? T_T
He's not
There balanced whine solved.
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On October 02 2011 11:45 Termit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:42 Trowa127 wrote:
Down 20 workers? No problem. Mules.
<3 CD on your warpgates so you can't warp in where ever you want on the map? No problem. Chronoboost. hehe
Because chrono brings so many players back from huge workers disparitys.
..oh wait haha.
good play by thorzain, pure zealot archon is weakkkk to drops man.
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Damn Puzzle has gotten soo much better so quickly 0o
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On October 02 2011 11:46 Trowa127 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:45 Termit wrote:On October 02 2011 11:42 Trowa127 wrote:
Down 20 workers? No problem. Mules.
<3 CD on your warpgates so you can't warp in where ever you want on the map? No problem. Chronoboost. hehe Because chrono brings so many players back from huge workers disparitys. ..oh wait haha. good play by thorzain, pure zealot archon is weakkkk to drops man.
No, but after a battle you get insta reinforcement outside your opponents base np.
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gg good series grats to MorroW that was a sick run!
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Puzzle completely outplaying the current best foreigner haha.
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GG, but you have to admit: mouz put up a very good fight!
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that was so close to a comeback, if he defended that push early game he definitely wouldve won
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great games. puzzle and thor are both pretty gosu.
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On October 02 2011 11:46 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:45 Daralii wrote:
I don't mean to start a balance whine, but how the hell is T-Zain still equal or ahead after losing almost 70 workers? T_T He's not There balanced whine solved.
I have a habit of overestimating bio armies... so many units that can kill so much shit so quickly. D:
GG WP, Puzzle. Hope you get to stay in Code S.
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Man if thorzain had those first ghosts 10 seconds earlier T.T... Good games well played by both teams. I really feel like mouz CAN compete with korean teams
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Great series! Mouz really showing they have some sick players.
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bummed Thorzain lost, but man, Puzzle looked GOOD. And his style was very entertaining -- I loved the guerrilla zealot attacks.
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On October 02 2011 11:48 hysterial wrote:
Puzzle completely outplaying the current best foreigner haha.
Well, it's quite easy to do when you're up 35 workers in the early midgame.
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On October 02 2011 11:45 Daralii wrote:
I don't mean to start a balance whine, but how the hell is T-Zain still equal or ahead after losing almost 70 workers? T_T
Mules, I guess. I'd personally like to see all the races be designed to be as resilient as Terran, in terms of comeback potential - to see all races able to come back from their opponent having triple their workers. Maybe HotS will tweak Protoss and Zerg design to add a bit more resilience. Resilience =/= imbalance, but it does allow Terrans to have a higher level of consistency, as evidenced by how many Ts are in Code S IMO.
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Almost anything would be better than chargelot archon HT. Any attack that isn't a complete commitment by the toss, any poke will mean tons of zealots dying. Then ghosts own archons and HTs. It is just bad. I know they feel forced to open with this because terrans were doing huge numbers of vikings when they went colossi but there has to be something better than this terrible style that makes great players look sloppy.
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I don't think Puzzle was that far ahead after the early game. Thorzain had tech advantage and army advantage whilst Puzzle had slight (mules) econ advantage. Had Puzzle cut probes and not teched, he would have lost really really badly.
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On October 02 2011 11:49 Fighter wrote:
bummed Thorzain lost, but man, Puzzle looked GOOD. And his style was very entertaining -- I loved the guerrilla zealot attacks.
What? His control was just awful...he basically got a build order win with the 4 gate and nearly threw it away. It might have been from lag though.
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Thorzain played well overall. He just needs to handle those early gateway attacks better, seen him lose to that so many times.
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damnit Eve's not on the roster
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On October 02 2011 11:50 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:49 Fighter wrote:
bummed Thorzain lost, but man, Puzzle looked GOOD. And his style was very entertaining -- I loved the guerrilla zealot attacks. What? His control was just awful...he basically got a build order win with the 4 gate and nearly threw it away. It might have been from lag though.
I'm gonna chalk it up to lag and hope it isn't so bad when the Up & Downs come around. He still beat one of the best foreigners with what's been described as unplayable lag by Jinro(iirc), though.
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On October 02 2011 11:50 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:45 Daralii wrote:
I don't mean to start a balance whine, but how the hell is T-Zain still equal or ahead after losing almost 70 workers? T_T Mules, I guess. I'd personally like to see all the races be designed to be as resilient as Terran, in terms of comeback potential - to see all races able to come back from their opponent having triple their workers. Maybe HotS will tweak Protoss and Zerg design to add a bit more resilience. Resilience =/= imbalance, but it does allow Terrans to have a higher level of consistency, as evidenced by how many Ts are in Code S IMO.
Terrans resilience comes from Mules with a combination of cheap units that are extremely cost effective--Marines/Marauder
If the other races were to be as resilient then an economic advantage like the Mule won't be enough, they need units that have the same bang for their buck as MM do, which I doubt Blizzard will ever do as those units are probably the most cost effective units in the game
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On October 02 2011 11:55 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 11:50 HolyArrow wrote:On October 02 2011 11:45 Daralii wrote:
I don't mean to start a balance whine, but how the hell is T-Zain still equal or ahead after losing almost 70 workers? T_T Mules, I guess. I'd personally like to see all the races be designed to be as resilient as Terran, in terms of comeback potential - to see all races able to come back from their opponent having triple their workers. Maybe HotS will tweak Protoss and Zerg design to add a bit more resilience. Resilience =/= imbalance, but it does allow Terrans to have a higher level of consistency, as evidenced by how many Ts are in Code S IMO. Terrans resilience comes from Mules with a combination of cheap units that are extremely cost effective--Marines/Marauder If the other races were to be as resilient then an economic advantage like the Mule won't be enough, they need units that have the same bang for their buck as MM do, which I doubt Blizzard will ever do as those units are probably the most cost effective units in the game
I can has my gateway immortals back, Blizzard? >.>
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why is the stream playing back from the start of the match again?
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On October 02 2011 12:06 nebffa wrote:
why is the stream playing back from the start of the match again?
It's rebroadcast for those who missed it at the regular time
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damn mouz why didnt they threw TZ vs Coca first they shouldve used Mana as their ace :S
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Ya... it seems strange that they used Mana against Coca as Coca is good against Protoss and Mana's weakest matchup (at least it used to be) was Zerg. Oh well. Not a bad display by Mouz. I guess that's what happens though when you don't have a deep enough roster to put out the players that you want to put out.
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MorroW versus Ryung lol, so epic game... Sometimes it feels still like Terran are so fucking strong, like 6 bases versus 1-2 mining all game long lol ...
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I still don't get these posts about how close Koreans are to Europeans. We're talking about Morrow here, who's been at the very least top 3 foreign Zerg since the release of the game (if not the best), and Thorzain, who's arguably one of the best foreigners right now (up there with Huk).
Coca's great and his ZvP is ridiculously beast for sure, but he hasn't really won anything substantial (like a GSL), only coming 2nd in an MLG. Ryung's in the same boat, great TvT style, great solid play, but hasn't really won anything substantial either. Add that to the lag (EU-US > KR-US)...
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That final game was amazing.
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On October 03 2011 04:08 Xpace wrote:
I still don't get these posts about how close Koreans are to Europeans. We're talking about Morrow here, who's been at the very least top 3 foreign Zerg since the release of the game (if not the best), and Thorzain, who's arguably one of the best foreigners right now (up there with Huk).
Coca's great and his ZvP is ridiculously beast for sure, but he hasn't really won anything substantial (like a GSL), only coming 2nd in an MLG. Ryung's in the same boat, great TvT style, great solid play, but hasn't really won anything substantial either. Add that to the lag (EU-US > KR-US)...
except Morrow was Terran and not Zerg at the release
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The lag cross Atlantic isn't ideal, just FYI. I'd say it's about the same.
To be fair, what has TZain won? He won the TSL, taking out Koreans to do so. Nothing else of note, really - a lot of the events he's been at have been won by Koreans.
In order to take out mouz, they had to bring in Code S players. I'm sorry, but the logic on this forum is that if you're not Code S you're not the best Korea has to offer. It took Code S players to beat Europeans, and even then it was a pretty close run thing.
I'd say the tip of the EU scene is easily within spitting distance of the tip of the Korean scene at the moment, and it's getting better because of the sheer amount of tournaments continually ongoing in the EU.
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On October 03 2011 04:21 Evangelist wrote:
The lag cross Atlantic isn't ideal, just FYI. I'd say it's about the same.
To be fair, what has TZain won? He won the TSL, taking out Koreans to do so. Nothing else of note, really - a lot of the events he's been at have been won by Koreans.
In order to take out mouz, they had to bring in Code S players. I'm sorry, but the logic on this forum is that if you're not Code S you're not the best Korea has to offer. It took Code S players to beat Europeans, and even then it was a pretty close run thing.
I'd say the tip of the EU scene is easily within spitting distance of the tip of the Korean scene at the moment, and it's getting better because of the sheer amount of tournaments continually ongoing in the EU.
Not really. If you look at major tournaments even with the best of EU it's usually taken by like 90 percent of the Korean that attended. Look at IEM, 3 Koreans attended, 2 in the finals. MLG Korean domination etc. Sure maybe they can take some games and occasionally a series vs some decent Code S players. But not consistently, and certainly not often enough to win a major tournament with more than a few koreans.
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On October 03 2011 04:29 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 04:21 Evangelist wrote:
The lag cross Atlantic isn't ideal, just FYI. I'd say it's about the same.
To be fair, what has TZain won? He won the TSL, taking out Koreans to do so. Nothing else of note, really - a lot of the events he's been at have been won by Koreans.
In order to take out mouz, they had to bring in Code S players. I'm sorry, but the logic on this forum is that if you're not Code S you're not the best Korea has to offer. It took Code S players to beat Europeans, and even then it was a pretty close run thing.
I'd say the tip of the EU scene is easily within spitting distance of the tip of the Korean scene at the moment, and it's getting better because of the sheer amount of tournaments continually ongoing in the EU. Not really. If you look at major tournaments even with the best of EU it's usually taken by like 90 percent of the Korean that attended. Look at IEM, 3 Koreans attended, 2 in the finals. MLG Korean domination etc. Sure maybe they can take some games and occasionally a series vs some decent Code S players. But not consistently, and certainly not often enough to win a major tournament with more than a few koreans.
This is exactly my point.
A lot of people think Thorzain is the best foreigner, even here on Teamliquid, so much that they would rank him above Huk, the third EVER foreigner to EARN his Code S spot and hasn't dropped in over 4 GSLs, as well being the only foreigner to ever win a foreign LAN tournament with Koreans participating. The reasoning behind that is beyond me, but let's just say I agree.
The reason why Code S is so well respected as being the best of the best, is because even players like MVP and MKP have dropped off. It's the highest, toughest league in Korea, and we can all agree that Korea > US/EU/SEA. It's just the way things are.
I love Thorzain. I'm a huge Nerchio fan. I'm also a huge Huk fan. One foreign representative of each race that I would always bet on and cheer on. But at the back of my head, if any of these guys played Nestea/MVP in a BO7 LAN, they would get dismantled hands down. It's just the way things are, am I wrong when I claim that a majority of us think this way too?
The point of my post, which I find hella weird, is that when a foreigner takes a game off a Code S player, everyone immediately says "foreigners are getting close!". Unless they train in Korea, I don't really see that happening..
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Holy shit! morrow vs ryung was so epic!
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morrow played that very solidly, quite impressed! i like that he didnt force an engagement and instead bled Ryung dry
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Mouz fought well, wasn't even that far away from winning an korean team!
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On October 03 2011 04:44 Xpace wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 04:29 Olinim wrote:On October 03 2011 04:21 Evangelist wrote:
The lag cross Atlantic isn't ideal, just FYI. I'd say it's about the same.
To be fair, what has TZain won? He won the TSL, taking out Koreans to do so. Nothing else of note, really - a lot of the events he's been at have been won by Koreans.
In order to take out mouz, they had to bring in Code S players. I'm sorry, but the logic on this forum is that if you're not Code S you're not the best Korea has to offer. It took Code S players to beat Europeans, and even then it was a pretty close run thing.
I'd say the tip of the EU scene is easily within spitting distance of the tip of the Korean scene at the moment, and it's getting better because of the sheer amount of tournaments continually ongoing in the EU. Not really. If you look at major tournaments even with the best of EU it's usually taken by like 90 percent of the Korean that attended. Look at IEM, 3 Koreans attended, 2 in the finals. MLG Korean domination etc. Sure maybe they can take some games and occasionally a series vs some decent Code S players. But not consistently, and certainly not often enough to win a major tournament with more than a few koreans. This is exactly my point. A lot of people think Thorzain is the best foreigner, even here on Teamliquid, so much that they would rank him above Huk, the third EVER foreigner to EARN his Code S spot and hasn't dropped in over 4 GSLs, as well being the only foreigner to ever win a foreign LAN tournament with Koreans participating. The reasoning behind that is beyond me, but let's just say I agree. The reason why Code S is so well respected as being the best of the best, is because even players like MVP and MKP have dropped off. It's the highest, toughest league in Korea, and we can all agree that Korea > US/EU/SEA. It's just the way things are. I love Thorzain. I'm a huge Nerchio fan. I'm also a huge Huk fan. One foreign representative of each race that I would always bet on and cheer on. But at the back of my head, if any of these guys played Nestea/MVP in a BO7 LAN, they would get dismantled hands down. It's just the way things are, am I wrong when I claim that a majority of us think this way too? The point of my post, which I find hella weird, is that when a foreigner takes a game off a Code S player, everyone immediately says "foreigners are getting close!". Unless they train in Korea, I don't really see that happening..
Huk got a really easy group to code s, and never really gets difficult opponents. His biggest achievement was beating nada, although I don't know how good Nada is at that match-up. Judging from gameplay, I've always been much more impressed by Thorzain.
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Wow Morrow is doing really well so far. He just beat Ryung and he's playing Lots now. Crazy TvZ skills.
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I've never watched the IPL before, but this is amazing. Even the commentators are great. I might have to watch the IPL more often. ^^
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Since a couple of you are watching the rebroadcast I'll do you the courtesy of tagging comments on the actual series:
+ Show Spoiler +Great series on the whole, it was really awesome to see SlayerS taking Mouz seriously and sending out a number of their big name players this week. Mouz acquitted themselves tremendously against an amazing line up but in the end SlayerS were just too much.
Looking forward to seeing who they get matched up with next, the team arena is definitely an excellent event ^_^
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morrow throw away so much potential by not learning zvz and stuck with his almost non trained offrace
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Yeah I'm not sure what Morrow was doing in TvZ, he was trying to play Terran like Zerg and it just doesn't work like that. There's only so long you can turtle before you need to do something, especially on a map like Meta.
Thorzain just owned Coca <3
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This tournament should really get a lot more attention than it does. Some of these games are really good.
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morrow still choosing T vs Z and throwing away matches? sigh, thats a wasted potential, its better to play even mediocre zvz than practice 2 races
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Thorzain got so close to bringing that back. That early game was really scary, I thought he'd lost there D:
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Mouz, elite northern foreigners club.
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Wow that was a sick lineup from slayers, playing their best terran first, their best zerg and best protoss that's nice to see that they were not taking mouzsport lightly at all.
I don't know what team could beat Slayers now, when you look at it mouzsport is one of the strongest foreign team.
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Are there any replays available? I'm especially interested in CoCa < Shattered Temple > ThorZaIN...
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Thought MaNa whould take a game or two, he have done it before against Koreans,and now with ping advantage too... Glad to see some swedes manning up atleast
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Wow, TL and Mousesports falling to Slayers, I wonder who will be able to dethrone the reigning champions? :o
Well, most of the famous teams are already through, so maybe we're going to see the first teams reappearing again in the league?
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On October 03 2011 21:07 Pippi wrote:Thought MaNa whould take a game or two, he have done it before against Koreans,and now with ping advantage too... Glad to see some swedes manning up atleast
well Coca's zvp is not to be taken lightly. anyways gj Mouz
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