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Bromazepam
Profile Joined August 2011
820 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 13:48:11
November 05 2011 13:47 GMT
#3061
On November 05 2011 22:26 murphs wrote:
Idra is a banned word in the chat, kind of odd heh.


It's a remnant of the bad blood that used to be there between Idra and TB.
Twitch is being Twitch and, despite several attempts, the word keeps popping up in the censored list.
Saying that something is killing esports is killing esports.
soupchicken
Profile Joined October 2010
United States322 Posts
November 05 2011 13:50 GMT
#3062
On November 05 2011 22:10 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Am I really the only one who thinks ESPORTS needs this deep rooted enmity of certain players to help fuel it's life cycle?

Seriously - how many people would really care and be passionate about baseball if it wasn't for rivalries like the Yankees-Red Sox, or the Cubs-White Sox? These are a deep-rooted part of the history of baseball. In the NBA, it's the Celtics and the Lakers, or the Celtics and the Knicks. You love one, you absolutely despise the other.

These add extra meaning to games that would otherwise be just simple somewhat meaningless matchups between two foes, games that hold little meaning in the grand scheme of things but now take on extra meaning in terms of the loyal fanbase.

Without the fans, these sports (and, by the same token, ESPORTS) become meaningless and diminish. Baseball fans aren't going to watch 162 games a year. NBA fans probably don't mostly watch 82 games a year. And I know I don't have time to watch every time IdrA plays. But god damn, if I know he's playing someone where there's pride on the line (CrunCher, for example), I will devour that match. Rivalries like this build a bigger, more passionate scene, and it's ok to absolutely despise the other player and hope that he trips over his grandmother and breaks his wrist and never plays again loses so embarrassingly that he wants to shrink away into the darkness. And if he beats my favorite player? You're damn right I'm going to call him a skilless fucking newbie who wins by doing stupid shit and berate the piss out of him.

Because I care.


Signed in just to say you nailed it. Anyone claiming that "we are above that" is just being pretentious. I will continue to be passionate about the players I enjoy watching because that's what makes it interesting to me.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
November 05 2011 13:50 GMT
#3063
On November 05 2011 22:32 Vaeila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 22:15 Asha` wrote:
On November 05 2011 22:08 Vaeila wrote:
On November 05 2011 21:56 zeMoose wrote:
On November 05 2011 21:55 Alpina wrote:
so one more hour until finals?


Yeah, one hour.

And gz elfi. Well deserved third place. Let the haters hate.


Hi Finland, no when you look at the player line-up for this tournament he does not deserve third place.

In my opinion its the silly tournament format that is the cause of this so yeah, hate the format not Elfi


This is fucking moronic.

Man, why bother even playing a tournament when you can just look at the player line up to determine who wins.

Damn that silly 8 player standard bracket format with a bo5 minimum each round.


An 8 player tournament without dub. elim is indeed moronic


No it's not? It's an invitational lol, I'd agree if they'd had to actually qualify to be here.
pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
November 05 2011 13:50 GMT
#3064
On November 05 2011 22:47 Bromazepam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 22:26 murphs wrote:
Idra is a banned word in the chat, kind of odd heh.


It's a remnant of the bad blood that used to be there between Idra and TB.
Twitch is being Twitch and, despite several attempts, the word keeps popping up in the censored list.

So we shall call him "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named".
GamerX
Profile Joined August 2011
33 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 13:51:01
November 05 2011 13:50 GMT
#3065
On November 05 2011 22:43 sereniity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 22:34 GamerX wrote:
On November 05 2011 22:26 murphs wrote:
Idra is a banned word in the chat, kind of odd heh.


He always whines about IdrA RQ'ng on reddit. That's understandable.
2GD is also in the autoban list by TB. That was yesterday, not sure if he whitelisted it.


why is 2GD on autoban O.o?


probably because of Dreamhack. TB's like Milkis but never leaves.

Anyway whatever...go IdrA! <3
Twelve12
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia268 Posts
November 05 2011 13:51 GMT
#3066
On November 05 2011 22:44 Vaeila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 22:43 sereniity wrote:
On November 05 2011 22:34 GamerX wrote:
On November 05 2011 22:26 murphs wrote:
Idra is a banned word in the chat, kind of odd heh.


He always whines about IdrA RQ'ng on reddit. That's understandable.
2GD is also in the autoban list by TB. That was yesterday, not sure if he whitelisted it.


why is 2GD on autoban O.o?




<3 aerowalk, one of my best maps
straightupbeaches
Profile Joined October 2011
2 Posts
November 05 2011 13:52 GMT
#3067
On November 05 2011 22:42 sixfour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 22:39 straightupbeaches wrote:
Was there a LR for the top4 games? I slept in...

Idra FIGHTING


not really. you didn't miss a great deal.

Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 22:41 Allwars wrote:
How much time until finals start? I'm very confused because of timezones.


20 minutes


Could I get a quick recap then please? Thanks
soupchicken
Profile Joined October 2010
United States322 Posts
November 05 2011 13:53 GMT
#3068
On November 05 2011 22:34 SinCitta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 22:27 nick1689 wrote:
On November 05 2011 22:10 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Am I really the only one who thinks ESPORTS needs this deep rooted enmity of certain players to help fuel it's life cycle?

Seriously - how many people would really care and be passionate about baseball if it wasn't for rivalries like the Yankees-Red Sox, or the Cubs-White Sox? These are a deep-rooted part of the history of baseball. In the NBA, it's the Celtics and the Lakers, or the Celtics and the Knicks. You love one, you absolutely despise the other.

These add extra meaning to games that would otherwise be just simple somewhat meaningless matchups between two foes, games that hold little meaning in the grand scheme of things but now take on extra meaning in terms of the loyal fanbase.

Without the fans, these sports (and, by the same token, ESPORTS) become meaningless and diminish. Baseball fans aren't going to watch 162 games a year. NBA fans probably don't mostly watch 82 games a year. And I know I don't have time to watch every time IdrA plays. But god damn, if I know he's playing someone where there's pride on the line (CrunCher, for example), I will devour that match. Rivalries like this build a bigger, more passionate scene, and it's ok to absolutely despise the other player and hope that he trips over his grandmother and breaks his wrist and never plays again loses so embarrassingly that he wants to shrink away into the darkness. And if he beats my favorite player? You're damn right I'm going to call him a skilless fucking newbie who wins by doing stupid shit and berate the piss out of him.

Because I care.


quoted for truth. I agree


But would you visit a forum that has fanatical fans from both teams bashing each other? Probably not, nothing good comes out of it. It might be funny at first, and feels pretty childlish very fast. In real life/barcraft/whatever this might be rivalry in all fun, because there are limits in normal human social interaction, but forums rarely have such thing.

Edit: Also, in real sports, despite rivalries there is some form of deep respect for the skill of the opposing team, although this if of course not acknowledged. Otherwise, rivalries somewhat lose their "flavor".


You are implying that sports forums are not full of trolling and team/player hating; in fact I have not been to any general (not team-specific) forum that isn't full of the stuff. It's all part of the fun.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
November 05 2011 13:54 GMT
#3069
On November 05 2011 22:50 GamerX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 22:43 sereniity wrote:
On November 05 2011 22:34 GamerX wrote:
On November 05 2011 22:26 murphs wrote:
Idra is a banned word in the chat, kind of odd heh.


He always whines about IdrA RQ'ng on reddit. That's understandable.
2GD is also in the autoban list by TB. That was yesterday, not sure if he whitelisted it.


why is 2GD on autoban O.o?


probably because of Dreamhack. TB's like Milkis but never leaves.

Anyway whatever...go IdrA! <3
Wait, what?
#freeshauni
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 13:55:51
November 05 2011 13:54 GMT
#3070
On November 05 2011 22:10 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Am I really the only one who thinks ESPORTS needs this deep rooted enmity of certain players to help fuel it's life cycle?

Seriously - how many people would really care and be passionate about baseball if it wasn't for rivalries like the Yankees-Red Sox, or the Cubs-White Sox? These are a deep-rooted part of the history of baseball. In the NBA, it's the Celtics and the Lakers, or the Celtics and the Knicks. You love one, you absolutely despise the other.

These add extra meaning to games that would otherwise be just simple somewhat meaningless matchups between two foes, games that hold little meaning in the grand scheme of things but now take on extra meaning in terms of the loyal fanbase.

Without the fans, these sports (and, by the same token, ESPORTS) become meaningless and diminish. Baseball fans aren't going to watch 162 games a year. NBA fans probably don't mostly watch 82 games a year. And I know I don't have time to watch every time IdrA plays. But god damn, if I know he's playing someone where there's pride on the line (CrunCher, for example), I will devour that match. Rivalries like this build a bigger, more passionate scene, and it's ok to absolutely despise the other player and hope that he trips over his grandmother and breaks his wrist and never plays again loses so embarrassingly that he wants to shrink away into the darkness. And if he beats my favorite player? You're damn right I'm going to call him a skilless fucking newbie who wins by doing stupid shit and berate the piss out of him.

Because I care.


Must quote this post again because I agree completely. Part of the fun of watching sc2, especially in these LR threads, is fans having stupid arguments about why their player is better than the other one, or how he shouldn't have lost because of this obvious reason, etc. Its harmless banter of the kind common among fans watching any sporting contest.

The whole racial bias thing only serves to fuel this, I don't see why its a problem.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
November 05 2011 13:55 GMT
#3071
On November 05 2011 22:52 straightupbeaches wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 22:42 sixfour wrote:
On November 05 2011 22:39 straightupbeaches wrote:
Was there a LR for the top4 games? I slept in...

Idra FIGHTING


not really. you didn't miss a great deal.

On November 05 2011 22:41 Allwars wrote:
How much time until finals start? I'm very confused because of timezones.


20 minutes


Could I get a quick recap then please? Thanks


i didn't see the elfi/select series, apparently the first three games were poor and the 4th was a decent macro game

idra/white-ra was idra smacking white-ra about something silly the first two games, third was decent enough but white-ra could never really gain a decisive edge and didn't have too many good engagements, allowing idra to deny mining and starve him out. someone else can elaborate further if they want but there wasn't good games to speak about
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
November 05 2011 13:56 GMT
#3072
On November 05 2011 22:44 Vaeila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 22:43 sereniity wrote:
On November 05 2011 22:34 GamerX wrote:
On November 05 2011 22:26 murphs wrote:
Idra is a banned word in the chat, kind of odd heh.


He always whines about IdrA RQ'ng on reddit. That's understandable.
2GD is also in the autoban list by TB. That was yesterday, not sure if he whitelisted it.


why is 2GD on autoban O.o?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQvTyvVX_ys


Lol I thought I heard 2GD say "Fuck Total Biscuit" lol

It's funny too cause I watch IdrAs stream and he said he doesn't like TB
Never GG MKP | IdrA
Bromazepam
Profile Joined August 2011
820 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 13:58:44
November 05 2011 13:57 GMT
#3073
On November 05 2011 22:53 soupchicken wrote:

You are implying that sports forums are not full of trolling and team/player hating; in fact I have not been to any general (not team-specific) forum that isn't full of the stuff. It's all part of the fun.


Part of the fun? A bunch of mindless people spewing out pointless insults? Where is the fun in that?

You guys want to make SC2 become more about this drama shit rather than about the game.
This is why every time there is a tournament the banned thread grows 10 pages.

You should do like that thread and grow up.
Saying that something is killing esports is killing esports.
MuK_x
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
743 Posts
November 05 2011 13:58 GMT
#3074
i missed all matches

Grandpa Toss
IdrA "TT1 actually fucked up and didn't see the hatchery,so im at a really big advantage right now,assuming he reacts intelligently which is not something you should assume with TT1"
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
November 05 2011 13:59 GMT
#3075
On November 05 2011 22:57 Bromazepam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 22:53 soupchicken wrote:

You are implying that sports forums are not full of trolling and team/player hating; in fact I have not been to any general (not team-specific) forum that isn't full of the stuff. It's all part of the fun.


Part of the fun? A bunch of mindless people spewing out pointless insults? Where is the fun in that?


if everyone is somewhat grown up and well mannered then some trolling can be amusing. if it crosses the line into offensive/childish/whatever then that's when it'd become a problem
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
ambrosiaa
Profile Joined October 2011
Singapore333 Posts
November 05 2011 13:59 GMT
#3076
What time is the finals starting?
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
November 05 2011 13:59 GMT
#3077
Man the Asus Tytan Gaming Desktop commercial is pretty great. I dig their epic music.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
November 05 2011 14:00 GMT
#3078
On November 05 2011 22:59 ambrosiaa wrote:
What time is the finals starting?


faster than two shakes of a lamb's tail
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 05 2011 14:00 GMT
#3079
On November 05 2011 22:59 ambrosiaa wrote:
What time is the finals starting?


Now! :D
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
November 05 2011 14:00 GMT
#3080
On November 05 2011 22:57 Bromazepam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 22:53 soupchicken wrote:

You are implying that sports forums are not full of trolling and team/player hating; in fact I have not been to any general (not team-specific) forum that isn't full of the stuff. It's all part of the fun.


Part of the fun? A bunch of mindless people spewing out pointless insults? Where is the fun in that?

You guys want to make SC2 become more about this drama shit rather than about the game.
This is why every time there is a tournament the banned thread grows 10 pages.

You should do like that thread and grow up.


The meta game is interesting. But it changes slowly.

So there are alot of games that are just standard, and not very interesting. Loving and Hating players gets you through those boring games and it makes those games where there are big metagame shifts even better.
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