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Vaeila
Netherlands336 Posts
On November 05 2011 21:56 zeMoose wrote: Yeah, one hour. And gz elfi. Well deserved third place. Let the haters hate. Hi Finland, no when you look at the player line-up for this tournament he does not deserve third place. In my opinion its the silly tournament format that is the cause of this so yeah, hate the format not Elfi | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
Seriously - how many people would really care and be passionate about baseball if it wasn't for rivalries like the Yankees-Red Sox, or the Cubs-White Sox? These are a deep-rooted part of the history of baseball. In the NBA, it's the Celtics and the Lakers, or the Celtics and the Knicks. You love one, you absolutely despise the other. These add extra meaning to games that would otherwise be just simple somewhat meaningless matchups between two foes, games that hold little meaning in the grand scheme of things but now take on extra meaning in terms of the loyal fanbase. Without the fans, these sports (and, by the same token, ESPORTS) become meaningless and diminish. Baseball fans aren't going to watch 162 games a year. NBA fans probably don't mostly watch 82 games a year. And I know I don't have time to watch every time IdrA plays. But god damn, if I know he's playing someone where there's pride on the line (CrunCher, for example), I will devour that match. Rivalries like this build a bigger, more passionate scene, and it's ok to absolutely despise the other player and hope that he Because I care. | ||
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yarders
United Kingdom194 Posts
On November 05 2011 21:48 mvtaylor wrote: I'd sort of like a secret patch by blizzard where a fourth gateway in a PvP really early in the game causes your nexus to blow up. That would be genius | ||
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Zealot Lord
Hong Kong747 Posts
On November 05 2011 21:59 ladyumbra wrote: Because it takes precisely that long for the majority of the players to figure out that whatever blizzard just did in it's last patch doesn't matter and fourgate is still the optimal build. People experiment for a few weeks, then just rework the timings and proxy pylon positions for their fourgate. Huk and Hero can both PvP without fourgate and yet their first game at the last mlg was a 4gate into a base race? The last really long PvP I saw was in the GSL on bel'shir beach and it came down to both players have 8+ colossi and just lazering each other to death which is equally uninteresting. The biggest problem is that the 4gate is like the 1/1/1, there's this innate fear of it from other protoss and so they often fourgate in response to that fear. Then you either have the fear be correct and it's fourgate vs fourgate or you have one player doing something normal and the other fourgating. Sometimes if both players fourgate and come out even you get games where they both back away and play a macro game up to about 3 bases and then go for another big push that decides the fate of the game, this can actually be interesting. I'm certain it's not viable but just once before Hots comes out and ruins everything I want to see skytoss vs skytoss, Phoenix, carrier, voidrays compositions could be quite interesting. yup, pretty much this. well, except for the last line that is haha - there's no carrier in HOTS unfortunately =( | ||
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stfouri
Finland272 Posts
Same thing happens with terran players all-innin, shit just hits the fans! Roach ling all-in on the otherhand is allways clutch timing attack that punishes greedy players. :D! Gz elfi! Now go idra! | ||
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Nash
151 Posts
On November 05 2011 22:00 FuRong wrote: In other words, 4 Gate is the Nash equilibrium of PvP. Why yes sir. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On November 05 2011 22:08 Vaeila wrote: Hi Finland, no when you look at the player line-up for this tournament he does not deserve third place. In my opinion its the silly tournament format that is the cause of this so yeah, hate the format not Elfi This is fucking moronic. Man, why bother even playing a tournament when you can just look at the player line up to determine who wins. Damn that silly 8 player standard bracket format with a bo5 minimum each round. | ||
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On November 05 2011 22:05 TideRoll wrote: Ummmm Given German history you really can't call yourselves civilized lol. And the "football" (lol soccer) riots he's referring to happen in Europe. User was warned for this post Handegg is not football and Germany is not Europe. ..and I'm really looking forward to the Select vs Idra TvZ finals! :D | ||
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
I busted up laughing at the previous quote and didnt get this response until I saw who made it...extra laughs were had. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
On November 05 2011 22:15 Asha` wrote: This is fucking moronic. Man, why bother even playing a tournament when you can just look at the player line up to determine who wins. yeah, basically this, no point in everyone going to mlg providence, just give mvp his fifty thousand dollars already | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
On November 05 2011 22:18 Zinnwaldite wrote: how long till the finals? about 40 minutes | ||
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ladyumbra
Canada1699 Posts
On November 05 2011 22:14 Zealot Lord wrote: yup, pretty much this. well, except for the last line that is haha - there's no carrier in HOTS unfortunately =( I know which is why I said Hots would ruin everything ^-^. | ||
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
Thanks,, will get to watch 1st half+15 minutes or so of Newcastle v Everton then,, Taylooorrrr | ||
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Zealot Lord
Hong Kong747 Posts
On November 05 2011 22:21 ladyumbra wrote: I know which is why I said Hots would ruin everything ^-^. oh oops, sorry misread it! | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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Tantaburs
Canada1825 Posts
On November 05 2011 21:59 ladyumbra wrote: Because it takes precisely that long for the majority of the players to figure out that whatever blizzard just did in it's last patch doesn't matter and fourgate is still the optimal build. People experiment for a few weeks, then just rework the timings and proxy pylon positions for their fourgate. Huk and Hero can both PvP without fourgate and yet their first game at the last mlg was a 4gate into a base race? The last really long PvP I saw was in the GSL on bel'shir beach and it came down to both players have 8+ colossi and just lazering each other to death which is equally uninteresting. The biggest problem is that the 4gate is like the 1/1/1, there's this innate fear of it from other protoss and so they often fourgate in response to that fear. Then you either have the fear be correct and it's fourgate vs fourgate or you have one player doing something normal and the other fourgating. Sometimes if both players fourgate and come out even you get games where they both back away and play a macro game up to about 3 bases and then go for another big push that decides the fate of the game, this can actually be interesting. I'm certain it's not viable but just once before Hots comes out and ruins everything I want to see skytoss vs skytoss, Phoenix, carrier, voidrays compositions could be quite interesting. Its no that it takes that long for people to realise it is still the best build it is that it takes that long for people to start playing greedy. PvP Timeline: Phase 1: everyone 4 gates it is the only build Phase 2: People develop 4 gate proof builds for a time it is 50% 4gate vs 4 gate and 50% 4 gate vs counter 4 gate Phase 3: Everyone does 4 gate proof builds 4gate is rather rare and only used as a suprise tactic Phase 4: People play greedy to gain an advantage vs people doing 4 gate proof builds Phase 5: People start recognizing that people are playing greedy and are no longer safe vs a 4gate Return to Phase 1 | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
On November 05 2011 22:06 walklightwhat wrote: What's IdrA have to do with this? Elfi wasn't being flamed at all after IEM China. I wouldn't say "at all" from what I read. This is nothing against IdrA himself, it's just that a lot of people mindlessly take his opionion without a grain of salt. "I couldn't smile after the finals after winning against such a bad player" (from memory, no direct quite) - it influences the perception of a lot of people. Moreover, Cruncher being flamed all the time for winning a single BO3 in TSL3 was somewhat disgusting (maybe there are more sides on this story, dunno). Why do we have to criticize players because of their success? If anything, hate the game. And if you think some playstyles fade away and some players with it then let time deal with it. Players investing so much in the game being called out all the time makes me sad. | ||
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CryMeAReaper
Denmark1135 Posts
On November 05 2011 22:05 TideRoll wrote: Ummmm Given German history you really can't call yourselves civilized lol. And the "football" (lol soccer) riots he's referring to happen in Europe. User was warned for this post Wow. First of all, the ww2 reference was pretty inappropiate. Second of all, it IS football, you kick around a ball with ur FOOT, hence the name. In ur sport majority of the game people hold the ball in their hands, it should be named Handball (lol). And yea fans gets passionate and all that, but I still think that it goes over the top some times. Calling a player a "mofo" cus the player he played against couldnt hold the most standard of standard attacks in pvp? Thats a bit excessive. I guess im just not enough of a passionate fan when it comes to sport lol. I watch for game quality not rivalries. Not trying to generalise but perhaps it's more of an NA thing? I might be off but I havnt really noticed stuff like this in Denmark. Sure Brøndby fans hate a bit on FCK when they (always :D) lose to them, and sometimes "fights" (fights as in yeliing at each other and pushing etc). happen but that always happen. You dont call a player a mofo just cus he played better lol. | ||
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murphs
Ireland417 Posts
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People like you who are telling others that it is "normal" to bash are like cancer which needs to be cut off