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On November 05 2011 21:45 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 21:42 NKsc2 wrote:
The sc2 community is fucking horrible. I haven't been a member for TL for very long but from what I heard from incontrol and state of the game, they made it sound good. Elfi wins 2 games and people are BASHING HIM calling him terrible for what strategy he used? Now white-ra wins. Let's cheer for white-ra. Nah, elfi beat huk, he's an asshole. Let's bash him instead. Fucking disgusting. Its not disgusting, its just how people support things. Tourneys would be boring as piss if everyone liked every player and every playstyle.
I'm just saying, bashing the opponent is a horrible disgusting way to support things. Even when white-ra took a game off elfi, everyone's bashing elfi for losing a warp prism to stalkers instead of cheering for white-ra for possibly constructing a comeback. You can say what you wan't, elfi beat huk 3-1, beat white-ra 3-1. He's evidently better than those players at PvP. You're acting like a bunch of KKK members who sees elfi as an african american.
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On November 05 2011 21:55 Alpina wrote:
so one more hour until finals?
yep.
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On November 05 2011 21:55 Alpina wrote:
so one more hour until finals?
Yeah, one hour.
And gz elfi. Well deserved third place. Let the haters hate.
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If your build isnt safe vs 4 gate.... then why on earth would you ever do it, and especially vs elfi? Blame white-ra here, not elfi.
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i cant belive mister CHOBO NOOB elfi run in such a luck - 4 gate- 7 out of 8 games, runs in pvp 2 out of 3 games and wins 3'd place . GRATZ rly SKILLed games ( worst player ever ).
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On November 05 2011 21:47 Panicc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 21:45 Blaec wrote:On November 05 2011 21:42 NKsc2 wrote:
The sc2 community is fucking horrible. I haven't been a member for TL for very long but from what I heard from incontrol and state of the game, they made it sound good. Elfi wins 2 games and people are BASHING HIM calling him terrible for what strategy he used? Now white-ra wins. Let's cheer for white-ra. Nah, elfi beat huk, he's an asshole. Let's bash him instead. Fucking disgusting. Its not disgusting, its just how people support things. Tourneys would be boring as piss if everyone liked every player and every playstyle. No he is right. ITS disgusting... This community feels pretty shitty atm and if thats the future of esport.. then i hope esports will never be big  People like you who are telling others that it is "normal" to bash are like cancer which needs to be cut off
Basically when IdrA says something bad about a new, unknown player, he is flamed to death no matter what in TL. After that, two choices: Either you really step it up until the skill can not be denied by anyone or just play the competition, win and lose sometimes and get flamed all the time.
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On November 05 2011 21:52 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 21:48 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:On November 05 2011 21:46 Jtom wrote:On November 05 2011 21:45 Blaec wrote:On November 05 2011 21:42 NKsc2 wrote:
The sc2 community is fucking horrible. I haven't been a member for TL for very long but from what I heard from incontrol and state of the game, they made it sound good. Elfi wins 2 games and people are BASHING HIM calling him terrible for what strategy he used? Now white-ra wins. Let's cheer for white-ra. Nah, elfi beat huk, he's an asshole. Let's bash him instead. Fucking disgusting. Its not disgusting, its just how people support things. Tourneys would be boring as piss if everyone liked every player and every playstyle. It's ok to not like players, but to bash them is unacceptable. He wins by doing stupid shit though... On November 05 2011 21:47 Panicc wrote:On November 05 2011 21:45 Blaec wrote:On November 05 2011 21:42 NKsc2 wrote:
The sc2 community is fucking horrible. I haven't been a member for TL for very long but from what I heard from incontrol and state of the game, they made it sound good. Elfi wins 2 games and people are BASHING HIM calling him terrible for what strategy he used? Now white-ra wins. Let's cheer for white-ra. Nah, elfi beat huk, he's an asshole. Let's bash him instead. Fucking disgusting. Its not disgusting, its just how people support things. Tourneys would be boring as piss if everyone liked every player and every playstyle. No he is right. ITS disgusting... This community feels pretty shitty atm and if thats the future of esport.. then i hope esports will never be big People like you who are telling others that it is "normal" to bash are like cancer which needs to be cut off Uhhh... have you ever asked a Yankees fan how he feels about a Red Sox player? Or a Giants fan about an Eagles player? Immense hatred and bashing is part of all sports - it's part of the passion in supporting your favorite players/teams. Yeah man 100% right on that.Especially in football where people the fans actually get into a riot and fought the other team fans when their team loses.This is nothing compared to that as this is e-sports which is bashing on the internet.
Its what stupid monkeys do If you have to bash you are just an asshole and using the word "fan" as a reason to bash others... Maybe its the american style but we in germany are civilized (of course there a a few ultras but they are like 0.001%)
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On November 05 2011 21:45 McBrungus wrote:
Why is it that PvP goes from being horrifically boring to being weird but really fun to watch to being just absolutely terrible again every few months?
Because it takes precisely that long for the majority of the players to figure out that whatever blizzard just did in it's last patch doesn't matter and fourgate is still the optimal build. People experiment for a few weeks, then just rework the timings and proxy pylon positions for their fourgate. Huk and Hero can both PvP without fourgate and yet their first game at the last mlg was a 4gate into a base race? The last really long PvP I saw was in the GSL on bel'shir beach and it came down to both players have 8+ colossi and just lazering each other to death which is equally uninteresting.
The biggest problem is that the 4gate is like the 1/1/1, there's this innate fear of it from other protoss and so they often fourgate in response to that fear. Then you either have the fear be correct and it's fourgate vs fourgate or you have one player doing something normal and the other fourgating.
Sometimes if both players fourgate and come out even you get games where they both back away and play a macro game up to about 3 bases and then go for another big push that decides the fate of the game, this can actually be interesting.
I'm certain it's not viable but just once before Hots comes out and ruins everything I want to see skytoss vs skytoss, Phoenix, carrier, voidrays compositions could be quite interesting.
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On November 05 2011 21:56 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 21:45 Blaec wrote:On November 05 2011 21:42 NKsc2 wrote:
The sc2 community is fucking horrible. I haven't been a member for TL for very long but from what I heard from incontrol and state of the game, they made it sound good. Elfi wins 2 games and people are BASHING HIM calling him terrible for what strategy he used? Now white-ra wins. Let's cheer for white-ra. Nah, elfi beat huk, he's an asshole. Let's bash him instead. Fucking disgusting. Its not disgusting, its just how people support things. Tourneys would be boring as piss if everyone liked every player and every playstyle. I'm just saying, bashing the opponent is a horrible disgusting way to support things. Even when white-ra took a game off elfi, everyone's bashing elfi for losing a warp prism to stalkers instead of cheering for white-ra for possibly constructing a comeback. You can say what you wan't, elfi beat huk 3-1, beat white-ra 3-1. He's evidently better than those players at PvP. You're acting like a bunch of KKK members who sees elfi as an african american.
Yeh Elfi is better at PvP.
I still don't like his play and Im still going to cheer for whoever plays him. (except maybe against Select)
Thus every Elfi game I watch will actually have some tension. It wont be two random people operating computers. It will be that 4 gate, pylon in mineral line Elfi vs Someone who I think plays better.
And I will enjoy it when/if Elfi loses.
And wtf. How the f**k am I being a KKK member?
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On November 05 2011 21:56 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 21:45 Blaec wrote:On November 05 2011 21:42 NKsc2 wrote:
The sc2 community is fucking horrible. I haven't been a member for TL for very long but from what I heard from incontrol and state of the game, they made it sound good. Elfi wins 2 games and people are BASHING HIM calling him terrible for what strategy he used? Now white-ra wins. Let's cheer for white-ra. Nah, elfi beat huk, he's an asshole. Let's bash him instead. Fucking disgusting. Its not disgusting, its just how people support things. Tourneys would be boring as piss if everyone liked every player and every playstyle. I'm just saying, bashing the opponent is a horrible disgusting way to support things. Even when white-ra took a game off elfi, everyone's bashing elfi for losing a warp prism to stalkers instead of cheering for white-ra for possibly constructing a comeback. You can say what you wan't, elfi beat huk 3-1, beat white-ra 3-1. He's evidently better than those players at PvP. You're acting like a bunch of KKK members who sees elfi as an african american.
That example just seems so out of place... And you said it yourself, "You can say what you want". And that's all that's happening. People venting (sometimes misdirected). Don't get out of hand.
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Elfi practically outplayed every other Protoss in this tournoment. It shows that not only is he very good in PvP but that other protoss players are cutting way too many corners in PvP where 4-gate is extremely prevelant. If you can't defend an all-in then why would you deserve to win the game, that's cutting corners and Elfi's 4-gate abused that.
Play to win, if your opponent can't beat a 4-gate than why would he deserve to win?
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On November 05 2011 21:59 ladyumbra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 21:45 McBrungus wrote:
Why is it that PvP goes from being horrifically boring to being weird but really fun to watch to being just absolutely terrible again every few months? Because it takes precisely that long for the majority of the players to figure out that whatever blizzard just did in it's last patch doesn't matter and fourgate is still the optimal build. People experiment for a few weeks, then just rework the timings and pylon positions for their fourgate. Huk and Hero can both PvP without fourgate and yet their first game at the last mlg was a 4gate into a base race? The last really long PvP I saw was in the GSL on bel'shir beach and it came down to both players have 8+ colossi and just lazering each other to death which is equally uninteresting. The biggest problem is that the 4gate is like the 1/1/1, there's this innate fear of it from other protoss and so they often fourgate in response to that fear. Then you either have the fear be correct and it's fourgate vs fourgate or you have one player doing something normal and the other fourgating. Sometimes if both players fourgate and come out even you get games where they both back away and play a macro game up to about 3 bases and then go for another big push that decides the fate of the game, this can actually be interesting. I'm certain it's not viable but just once before Hots comes out and ruins everything I want to see skytoss vs skytoss, Phoenix, carrier, voidrays compositions could be quite interesting.
In other words, 4 Gate is the Nash equilibrium of PvP.
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Hate the game, not the players who are trying to make a living out of it.
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Everyone knew he likes to 4gate or fake 4gate. How could they ever lose to this if they were so much better and they knew the habits? By playing RISKY! If huk/wra had such advantage over him, why would they have to take risks to not die against 4g? That's like claiming lesser known zerg was idiot for banebusting in zvz against ret/dimaga/idra who went to 40drones without towers, roaches or blings. That's part of starcraft - play risky and get busted. It's truly retarded how people can find something to complain about elfi's pvp when I've never heard complaints about select allining in tvp/tvz, which tends to happen like 50% of the time.
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On November 05 2011 21:57 Panicc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 21:52 FakeDeath wrote:On November 05 2011 21:48 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:On November 05 2011 21:46 Jtom wrote:On November 05 2011 21:45 Blaec wrote:On November 05 2011 21:42 NKsc2 wrote:
The sc2 community is fucking horrible. I haven't been a member for TL for very long but from what I heard from incontrol and state of the game, they made it sound good. Elfi wins 2 games and people are BASHING HIM calling him terrible for what strategy he used? Now white-ra wins. Let's cheer for white-ra. Nah, elfi beat huk, he's an asshole. Let's bash him instead. Fucking disgusting. Its not disgusting, its just how people support things. Tourneys would be boring as piss if everyone liked every player and every playstyle. It's ok to not like players, but to bash them is unacceptable. He wins by doing stupid shit though... On November 05 2011 21:47 Panicc wrote:On November 05 2011 21:45 Blaec wrote:On November 05 2011 21:42 NKsc2 wrote:
The sc2 community is fucking horrible. I haven't been a member for TL for very long but from what I heard from incontrol and state of the game, they made it sound good. Elfi wins 2 games and people are BASHING HIM calling him terrible for what strategy he used? Now white-ra wins. Let's cheer for white-ra. Nah, elfi beat huk, he's an asshole. Let's bash him instead. Fucking disgusting. Its not disgusting, its just how people support things. Tourneys would be boring as piss if everyone liked every player and every playstyle. No he is right. ITS disgusting... This community feels pretty shitty atm and if thats the future of esport.. then i hope esports will never be big People like you who are telling others that it is "normal" to bash are like cancer which needs to be cut off Uhhh... have you ever asked a Yankees fan how he feels about a Red Sox player? Or a Giants fan about an Eagles player? Immense hatred and bashing is part of all sports - it's part of the passion in supporting your favorite players/teams. Yeah man 100% right on that.Especially in football where people the fans actually get into a riot and fought the other team fans when their team loses.This is nothing compared to that as this is e-sports which is bashing on the internet. Its what stupid monkeys do If you have to bash you are just an asshole and using the word "fan" as a reason to bash others... Maybe its the american style but we in germany are civilized (of course there a a few ultras but they are like 0.001%)
Ummmm Given German history you really can't call yourselves civilized lol. And the "football" (lol soccer) riots he's referring to happen in Europe.
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On November 05 2011 21:59 ladyumbra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 21:45 McBrungus wrote:
Why is it that PvP goes from being horrifically boring to being weird but really fun to watch to being just absolutely terrible again every few months? Because it takes precisely that long for the majority of the players to figure out that whatever blizzard just did in it's last patch doesn't matter and fourgate is still the optimal build. People experiment for a few weeks, then just rework the timings and pylon positions for their fourgate. Huk and Hero can both PvP without fourgate and yet their first game at the last mlg was a 4gate into a base race? The last really long PvP I saw was in the GSL on bel'shir beach and it came down to both players have 8+ colossi and just lazering each other to death which is equally uninteresting. The biggest problem is that the 4gate is like the 1/1/1, there's this innate fear of it from other protoss and so they often fourgate in response to that fear. Then you either have the fear be correct and it's fourgate vs fourgate or you have one player doing something normal and the other fourgating. Sometimes if both players fourgate and come out even you get games where they both back away and play a macro game up to about 3 bases and then go for another big push that decides the fate of the game, this can actually be interesting. I'm certain it's not viable but just once before Hots comes out and ruins everything I want to see skytoss vs skytoss, Phoenix, carrier, voidrays compositions could be quite interesting.
Damn those Carrier compositions would indeed be quite interesting in HotS! ... ...
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On November 05 2011 21:55 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 21:51 Jtom wrote:On November 05 2011 21:48 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:On November 05 2011 21:46 Jtom wrote:On November 05 2011 21:45 Blaec wrote:On November 05 2011 21:42 NKsc2 wrote:
The sc2 community is fucking horrible. I haven't been a member for TL for very long but from what I heard from incontrol and state of the game, they made it sound good. Elfi wins 2 games and people are BASHING HIM calling him terrible for what strategy he used? Now white-ra wins. Let's cheer for white-ra. Nah, elfi beat huk, he's an asshole. Let's bash him instead. Fucking disgusting. Its not disgusting, its just how people support things. Tourneys would be boring as piss if everyone liked every player and every playstyle. It's ok to not like players, but to bash them is unacceptable. He wins by doing stupid shit though... How is beating a player who doesn't defend against 4 gate (THE MOST PREVALENT BUILD IN PVP) with a 4 gate stupid? It was a joke, forgot only old-schoolers might get it. Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 21:52 FakeDeath wrote:
Yeah man 100% right on that.Especially in football where people the fans actually get into a riot and fought the other team fans when their team loses.This is nothing compared to that as this is e-sports which is bashing on the internet.
I had a beer ($7.25 a pop -__-) smacked out of my hands for being a Cowboys fan at an Eagles-Cowboys game in Philly last year. This shit is minor league in comparison.
Yeah you can't judge sporting fans being assholes unless you live in Philly or Canada for hockey
I apologize on Philadelphia's behalf.
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On November 05 2011 22:00 [17]Purple wrote:
Elfi practically outplayed every other Protoss in this tournoment. It shows that not only is he very good in PvP but that other protoss players are cutting way too many corners in PvP where 4-gate is extremely prevelant. If you can't defend an all-in then why would you deserve to win the game, that's cutting corners and Elfi's 4-gate abused that.
Play to win, if your opponent can't beat a 4-gate than why would he deserve to win?
do you even know how the @#$% does PVP ACTUALY WORK ? IF you prepare for a 4 gate and your oponent goes rush colossi you lost , if you go blink stalker and he goes immortal into colossi you lost . whenever whitera tought 4 gate is comming , elfi would just greedy tech rush into coossi . seriously is just if you prepare to defend 4 gate ul be behind in everything , you will get outmicro by eighter blink stalker or outdps by colossi later on .
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On November 05 2011 21:57 SinCitta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 21:47 Panicc wrote:On November 05 2011 21:45 Blaec wrote:On November 05 2011 21:42 NKsc2 wrote:
The sc2 community is fucking horrible. I haven't been a member for TL for very long but from what I heard from incontrol and state of the game, they made it sound good. Elfi wins 2 games and people are BASHING HIM calling him terrible for what strategy he used? Now white-ra wins. Let's cheer for white-ra. Nah, elfi beat huk, he's an asshole. Let's bash him instead. Fucking disgusting. Its not disgusting, its just how people support things. Tourneys would be boring as piss if everyone liked every player and every playstyle. No he is right. ITS disgusting... This community feels pretty shitty atm and if thats the future of esport.. then i hope esports will never be big People like you who are telling others that it is "normal" to bash are like cancer which needs to be cut off Basically when IdrA says something bad about a new, unknown player, he is flamed to death no matter what in TL. After that, two choices: Either you really step it up until the skill can not be denied by anyone or just play the competition, win and lose sometimes and get flamed all the time.
What's IdrA have to do with this? Elfi wasn't being flamed at all after IEM China.
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Why are people mad at Elfi for exposing players that cut corners ?
Not cutting corners is why KR > *
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