On September 27 2011 19:24 Pajegetc wrote:
So what he had more drones, He had no Army to defend.
So what he had more drones, He had no Army to defend.
july defended by losing 40ish drones. he was still about 15 drones ahead after losing that many.
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ETisME
12627 Posts
On September 27 2011 19:24 Pajegetc wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2011 19:23 ETisME wrote: On September 27 2011 19:21 Liquid`Jinro wrote: On September 27 2011 19:19 Alric wrote: Also you see the strength of terran. He was down to 7 scvs, but no matter. ... Yeah Im sorry, I forget, zerg should be able to trade his entire army for scvs and still defend against the counter attack without losing anything. Actually, if July had just made like 20 banelings instead of suiciding all lings....... he would have been able to do just that. My bad, its actually his fault. --; july still had 27 drones even after losing all those...and mules still let terran get back into the game easier than any other race So what he had more drones, He had no Army to defend. july defended by losing 40ish drones. he was still about 15 drones ahead after losing that many. | ||
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On September 27 2011 19:23 SuperFanBoy wrote: the problem is marines with medivacs hardcounter every single zerg unit that isn't baneling or infestor. Yes, which is why I thought it was baffling why he didn't instantly remake baneling nest or got infestor tech - he knew that was all that was coming, since all the scv's were gone and then it's just mules mining minerals - not gas. So it's obvious a marine medivac followup is the only possible answer. Yeah, all good ZvT fights last 5 seconds - either you hit with banes or fungals, and win, or you don't, and lose. You can't fight marines with medivacs with just pure target dmg, you need the splash and instant kill. Ganzi played bad, but I think July played equally bad. I would rather have seen him kill the push, than trade for it. And I would rather have him instantly remake baneling nest after it was dead. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
On September 27 2011 19:26 Demonace34 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2011 19:25 Demonace34 wrote: On September 27 2011 19:24 Demonace34 wrote: On September 27 2011 19:23 Demonace34 wrote: Hongun spawns at 8, Losira spawns at 2. 2:40 Forge FE coming from Hongun, Losira going for pool into hatch. 3:30 Hatch and nexus go down around the same time. Gate and cannon coming up for Hongun along with 2 gases. 5:00 Early 3rd hatch going down for Losira. Cyber core finishing up and WG gets started soon after. 6:20 Double stargate goes down for Hongun along with 2 more gases. Metabolic boost and roach warren coming from Losira. | ||
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Deshkar
Singapore1244 Posts
On September 27 2011 19:25 Telcontar wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2011 19:23 Deshkar wrote: On September 27 2011 19:22 Supamang wrote: On September 27 2011 19:21 Emnjay808 wrote: On September 27 2011 19:20 stevorino wrote: On September 27 2011 19:18 simansh wrote: On September 27 2011 19:17 Hassybaby wrote: A perfect example of a player taking a massive lead, then throwing everything away A perfect example of why mules are good. a perfect example why you dont make mutas against mass marines. and then waste them. second time saying this: baneling nest was destroyed. ohhhh, nm then i guess i missed that. when did the baneling nest die? The baneling nest was part of the nat's wall-off, it was destroyed quite early during the push. Again not true. Ganzi sniped the evolution chamber but didn't actually get the nest just before July pulled his drones. He had plenty of time to make lings & blings. Naw wasn't saying he had no time to make blings, he definitely had time to do so, I felt July attacked way too prematurely. i didn't understand why he kept making so many mutas w/o blings/slings against mass rines-____-;;; It seems he felt compelled to throw everything he had, the very second, he saw the terran sets up at his base. | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
On September 27 2011 19:23 ETisME wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2011 19:21 Liquid`Jinro wrote: On September 27 2011 19:19 Alric wrote: Also you see the strength of terran. He was down to 7 scvs, but no matter. ... Yeah Im sorry, I forget, zerg should be able to trade his entire army for scvs and still defend against the counter attack without losing anything. Actually, if July had just made like 20 banelings instead of suiciding all lings....... he would have been able to do just that. My bad, its actually his fault. --; july still had 27 drones even after losing all those...and mules still let terran get back into the game easier than any other race Maybe you should rephrase that: If Terran still has OC's, he is still in the game. Now let us replace a few words: If Zerg still has Hatcheries, he is still in the game | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On September 27 2011 19:22 Miragee wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2011 19:21 Hassybaby wrote: On September 27 2011 19:20 sitromit wrote: On September 27 2011 19:17 Hassybaby wrote: A perfect example of a player taking a massive lead, then throwing everything away Somehow that seems to happen a lot in ZvT... And then people call Terran Op because its fun to ignore mistakes and blame balance Because GanZi played perfectly and did no mistakes right? ![]() Because July made more mistakes | ||
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FinnGamer
Germany2426 Posts
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On September 27 2011 19:26 fant0m wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2011 19:23 SuperFanBoy wrote: he had to make baneling next as a wall off, because of the fear of hellions.. he lost his baneling nest which cost him the game, you can call him an idiot for not making 2 baneling nests if u want, the problem is marines with medivacs hardcounter every single zerg unit that isn't baneling or infestor. No he didn't HAVE to make the bane nest there. You absolutely don't NEED that building there. Point me to a game where ANY OTHER korean zerg has EVER used a baneling nest like that to wall off against hellions.. Coca did it and lost to a bunch of marines because of that :p | ||
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BuzZoo
Australia1468 Posts
On September 27 2011 19:26 yandere991 wrote: Just curious, why do baneling nests get used in wall offs? Seems to me as counter productive as using a templar archive as my wall off. Zerg don't have to make many buildings compared with the other two races and you can't wall with your pool because you are limited initially by your creep spread. Doesn't leave many other options. | ||
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
On September 27 2011 19:27 Demonace34 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2011 19:26 Demonace34 wrote: On September 27 2011 19:25 Demonace34 wrote: On September 27 2011 19:24 Demonace34 wrote: On September 27 2011 19:23 Demonace34 wrote: Hongun spawns at 8, Losira spawns at 2. 2:40 Forge FE coming from Hongun, Losira going for pool into hatch. 3:30 Hatch and nexus go down around the same time. Gate and cannon coming up for Hongun along with 2 gases. 5:00 Early 3rd hatch going down for Losira. Cyber core finishing up and WG gets started soon after. 6:20 Double stargate goes down for Hongun along with 2 more gases. Metabolic boost and roach warren coming from Losira. 7:45 Void rays coming from Hongun. Macro hatch going up into the main of losira. | ||
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ALPINA
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
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Loire
Singapore1358 Posts
On September 27 2011 19:26 baubo wrote: Funny analogy by the Chinese announcers on economies of various races. Terran is like State-owned enterprises. And Protoss/Zerg are like private enterprises. They all can make tons of money. But whenever you run into money problems, it's the State-owned enterprises that can borrow freely from the government. And private enterprises need to restart from the ground up. ![]() hahaha that was kinda funny ![]() | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
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fant0m
964 Posts
On September 27 2011 19:25 Fubi wrote: Show nested quote + On September 27 2011 19:20 Zaurus wrote: 7 scvs to 28 drones and terran won? It is so hard to believe this. I am a protoss, if I have only 7 probes left, and i chronoboost probes constantly, I can never catch up with zerg. Maybe if July just inject and pump more drones he might have a higher chance of winning. Because it was only 28drones vs 7 scvs for like 20 seconds (which mules made up for) before Ganzi counter attacked. July had to pull most of his drones to defend that, and lost a lot of them. At the same time, Ganzi was pumping SCVs non-stop from 2 command centers while July had to make units he wasn't making drones. God, I hate all these zerg-bias analysis. It's like a Terran complaining "omgz 200 vs 200 army, we both went down to 100 vs 100, and then Zerg instant max'd?! imba imba!" Um no that was the count post counter attack. It was 60 drones to 7 SCVs before the counter attack. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Never make crucial buildings part of a wall. Bad July. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On September 27 2011 19:28 FinnGamer wrote: 2 Stargate for Hongun, pulling his favourite starts Congratulations! You are the first one to actually talk about the game that is happening, in the Live Report thread /bow | ||
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whirlpool
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