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Cramsy

Australia1100 Posts

September 21 2011 11:09 GMT

#1441

Swatch internet time!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time

Demonace34

United States2493 Posts

September 21 2011 11:10 GMT

#1442

On September 21 2011 20:09 Demonace34 wrote:

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3:10 Both mirroring each other, factory and orbital from both players. 2nd gas for both players.

4:40 BF upgrade for both players, starport coming down for both players as well. This is a ridiculous mirror of each other.

Gh86

646 Posts

September 21 2011 11:10 GMT

#1443

On September 21 2011 20:08 Valikyr wrote:

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Couldnt we get a MVP vs DongRaeGu finals which could be pretty cool?

Only if DRG doesn't win his group

Itsmedudeman

United States19229 Posts

September 21 2011 11:10 GMT

#1444

On September 21 2011 20:08 Badfatpanda wrote:

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except he can do it ridiculously cost efficiently if he had just made more hellions and had them buffer the broodlings

Thor helion is not a counter to broodlords....

Demonace34

United States2493 Posts

September 21 2011 11:11 GMT

#1445

On September 21 2011 20:10 Demonace34 wrote:

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4:40 BF upgrade for both players, starport coming down for both players as well. This is a ridiculous mirror of each other.

6:00 Engagement in middle trading some health on each others hellions. Nada getting raven and MMA getting reactored vikings.

roymarthyup

1442 Posts

September 21 2011 11:11 GMT

#1446

On September 21 2011 20:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:

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On September 21 2011 20:01 roymarthyup wrote:

On September 21 2011 19:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:

On September 21 2011 19:52 roymarthyup wrote:

On September 21 2011 19:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:

On September 21 2011 19:48 roymarthyup wrote:
NADA WOULD HAVE WON if he split his thors

i wouldnt consider nesteas play "unbeatable". nada would have simply won if he didnt make a mistake

TvZ is very unforgivable make 1 mistake you lose. for zerg the real only "mistake" they can make is attacking into a line of sieged tanks before they have broodlords,

for terran the mistakes they can make is nut unclumping units vs banelings and attacking banelings without sieging ur tanks

no actually he wouldn't have won that game even if he survived that. As long as nestea gets rid of the helions his production is so good that he can pump out a billion lings before the thors actually pose a threat to one of his expansions and he just kills him anyway.

wrong. all those banelings would have killed maybe 5 thors if nada had not clumped them up, and the hellions can run back to be safe and kill lings

nestea would have lost that game if nada had split his thors.

dont expect to counter thors with banelings if the terran is smart and splits his army apart. just warning you zergs out there if you expect to counter thor builds with banelings your going to be depressed when you meet a good terran

So he's gonna have to micro his thors INCREDIBLY well ALL the way across the map? Nestea did a flank, no helion was ever going to survive that. Did you see the creep spread? Nestea had so much room to work with it was ridiculous and Nada still had an ocean to go across to actually do anything to nestea. You can't instant split like marine tank.

the creep spread is meaningless. thors will be spread pre-fight. hellions outrun banelings on creep

its not hard to micro thors. split them apart in a checkerboard formation, a-move them, then press hold position if you want to stop in a location (instead of having all thors bunching up together), and continue. if the enemy engages your thors you attackmove then if you see banelings coming make the back thors move back slightly and you will have a very nice thor-spread

it is NOT have to spread thors vs banelings as you attack-move across the map. its very easy micro to be honest. . very easy micro

the proper thor splitting that would have allowed nada to win that game is very easy micro. i dont know why he didnt do it, probably was stressed and concentrating elsewhere on the map but seriously the micro is so easy it only takes a little bit attention to make it happen

Wtf? Do you even understand how big belshir beach is? That type of micro takes a ton of APM with that many thors trying to get across that map and because you have to wait for the thors to reposition spread out that just means it takes that much longer. If nestea wanted to he could do devastating counterattacks, and tech up to broodlords.

He had like over 10 thors, and EVEN if like 7 of them survived it DOESN'T matter as long as he kills off a good number of the helions because the ling reinforcements will destroy the thors easily.

that type of micro is VERY easy and takes MINIMAL amount of APM

all you do is spread the thors a bit, then A-MOVE to a location far across the map. then scan for banelings and start macroing then press "s" for your thor group which stops them and KEEPS THEM SPLIT

now your thors are STILL SPLIT and you can a-move them again across the map and they STAY IN FORMATION then you can macro more and press S when you want to stop

then, when your enemy engages you, your thors are ALREADY SPLIT so you attack-move and select a couple thors in the back and move them back slightly and that will give you a great thor spread

it is EASY to micro thors and split them across the entire map

im not saying nada is bad, he had his reasons he didnt perform that micro, however

im just letting zergs out there know, nestea would have lost that game if nada didnt make that mistake. i saw no mistakes made by nestea, but a huge engagement mistake by nada

long story short dont expect to counter thors with banelings if you are fighting a terran thats as good as you

HeliBadger

538 Posts

September 21 2011 11:11 GMT

#1447

immortal vs marauder is soft counter? lolwut

andaylin

United States10830 Posts

September 21 2011 11:12 GMT

#1448

MMA dishing out that yummy cheese.

Fionn

United States23455 Posts

September 21 2011 11:12 GMT

#1449

On September 21 2011 20:07 Maghetti wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_S

Please tell me those brackets are wrong....if Bomber, Nestea, and Mvp are set up like that we are likely already gauranteed a one sided finals...

Bomber is very beatable. He lost to Byun (Code B now) and Keen in back-to-back GSL's.

Nestea is beatable in ZvT.

MVP is a monster and will probably destroy everyone if he beats Bomber, but Bomber has been the only one to really beat him in TvT besides Ganzi in the past few months.