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On September 22 2011 04:11 galivet wrote:
I'm so glad I didn't buy a season ticket in advance this time. I would be really interested to see how GOM's revenue from GSL ticket sales has fluctuated over the past 4 months.
I think that GOM needs to start letting viewers buy individual matches for a low price. Otherwise for protoss fans it just doesn't seem to be worth it to pay for a whole season ticket for just a handful of games that feature protoss, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
even if you could 'buy' more protoss matches, doesn't mean they'll win rofl
most of the terrans shit on pretty much every protoss atm, so you'd be buying matches and raging at how overpowered terran is, how would it be any different from now?
warped logic
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so ro16 is probably gunna be 12T 4Z :S
I see DRG and losira making it, probably leenock.
I'm not sure about coca, I'd think hed have really good zvt being in the slayers house and all but his record vT isn't great. That may have changed since he got picked up pretty recently. So maybe 11T 5Z. still :SSSSSSSSSS
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The only non Terran worth complaining about not making it out of group stages is HuK, because of that all-in transition into even more all-in. Zenio played crappy against ASD (losing 8 spread out mutas in T's base). Puzzle totally screwed up a 4 gate. Out of 4+3+3+2 terrans, 12 out of 16 players, odds were tha 2 + 1.5 +1.5+1 would advance (6) from groups A-D. The liquipedia page says 8 terrans and 1 zerg right now, but that's including the future terrans who will definitely advance of the other terran saturated groups.
Of the two P's and two Z's in groups A-D (Puzzle, Nestea, Huk, & Zenio), only two even played well enough to deserve it: Nestea and HuK. Instead of 6 terrans advancing as the averages predicted, 7 actually advanced, plus Nestea. While frustrating, it's merely a conclusion of the stats, plus one depressing protoss story where HuK didn't play perfect, but shouldn't have needed to in order to defend an all-in he knows is coming well ahead of time.
It's funny how people used to complain about P's negating defender's advantage due to warp gate but they also have the weakest defense arguably because of warp gate.
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Is there a ro16 bracket anywhere? I want to know if a Nestea vs Mvp finals is possible based on where they've been placed?
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On September 22 2011 05:11 JJH777 wrote:
Is there a ro16 bracket anywhere? I want to know if a Nestea vs Mvp finals is possible based on where they've been placed?
MVP has to make it past Bomber first though. If anyone knows how to defeat the mighty MVP it's Bomber.
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Wow what the heck MMA's bracket positioning is waaaaaaaaay better. Nestea should have thrown one of his games and taken second place in the group...
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On September 22 2011 04:36 kineticSYN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:11 galivet wrote:
I'm so glad I didn't buy a season ticket in advance this time. I would be really interested to see how GOM's revenue from GSL ticket sales has fluctuated over the past 4 months.
I think that GOM needs to start letting viewers buy individual matches for a low price. Otherwise for protoss fans it just doesn't seem to be worth it to pay for a whole season ticket for just a handful of games that feature protoss, and I don't see that changing any time soon. even if you could 'buy' more protoss matches, doesn't mean they'll win rofl most of the terrans shit on pretty much every protoss atm, so you'd be buying matches and raging at how overpowered terran is, how would it be any different from now? warped logic
I don't mean buy more protoss matches. I mean that I only want to pay for the matches where a protoss competes -- possibly I only want to pay for the matches where a protoss competes that are recommended to watch in threads like this one.
I would prefer to buy individual matches a la carte. When I buy a season ticket I'm not interested in the majority of the matches, and it's only getting worse with time because every season protoss are fewer and are getting knocked out of the tournament earlier.
Basically I don't like spending $20 to get access to a bunch of TvT that I'll never watch. I'd rather pay $1.50 for each match where a protoss plays well and end up paying like $8/season instead.
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considering toss is so weak at the moment and gsl is at risk of losing almost all of its code-s/a tosses (and probably a number of season tickets), could gom just add a bunch of toss-friendly maps into the pool? i don't know what a toss friendly map really looks like, but i am guessing the pros do.
it seems like only time and/or blizzard is going to put toss on equal footing, but couldn't gomtv help out in the meantime. of course i am assuming they want some tosses in code-s/a
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On September 22 2011 05:16 JJH777 wrote:
Wow what the heck MMA's bracket positioning is waaaaaaaaay better. Nestea should have thrown one of his games and taken second place in the group...
I don't think Nestea cares.
He has to compete with MVP who is is own teammate and MVP made it to the finals last season with one of the most ridiculous brackets I've seen in a while. Nestea has to live up to that for his own pride.
Plus when you're as good as he is I don't think he's afraid to face anyone.
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On September 22 2011 05:22 wideye wrote:
considering toss is so weak at the moment and gsl is at risk of losing almost all of its code-s/a tosses (and probably a number of season tickets), could gom just add a bunch of toss-friendly maps into the pool? i don't know what a toss friendly map really looks like, but i am guessing the pros do.
it seems like only time and/or blizzard is going to put toss on equal footing, but couldn't gomtv help out in the meantime. of course i am assuming they want some tosses in code-s/a
Clearly you haven't noticed the changes they made to Terminus RE and Bel'Shir beach.
They are both much more Protoss friendly now than they used to be.
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I just wanted Nestea/Mvp finals for both Blizzcon and Oct. I also would disagree and say that Nestea wants an easy as possible bracket just look at his usual group picks. Picks an easy player every time.
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On September 21 2011 21:33 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:25 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 21:23 tomatriedes wrote:On September 21 2011 21:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 21:15 tomatriedes wrote:On September 21 2011 21:08 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 21:06 Tenox wrote:On September 21 2011 20:57 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 20:55 FallDownMarigold wrote:On September 21 2011 20:52 mTw|NarutO wrote:
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1 Base Marine/Tank push rolled 3 Gate Robo Since he's provided subtly biased account of events A, I will provide subtly biased account of events B: 1 Base Zealot/Stalker/Immortal was mismicroed against 3 Rax Fact How can I be biased towards Protoss? I am Terran. And what happened was Marine/Tank rolled 3 Gate Robo and for me thats perfectly fine. Marines are high DPS, low HP units that need to get countered by splash damage. If its through own tanks (aka enough zealots and good force fields so Terran has actually to focus fire with tanks) or with colossus OR overwhelming forces. Huk had neither and made mistakes so he lost the game. :/ Really people should start thinking before posting. Well your analysis is slightly incorrect, there was never a big enough window of time during the game where he could get out colossi safely, not even after he defended the first all-in...Even if he did another build it still wouldn't be possible vs these typ of all-ins. I didn't say he needed a Colossus that game, I did name the counters to many marines. He didn't bring any of them or didn't control well enough, so he lost. Not saying its not easy to execute and strong for Terran, but calling it imbalanced or completely unbeatable is untrue. That asd guy even though playing against not the best Zerg (no offence to Zenio) is really good. Strong macro, continues to expand, good drops etc. Something doesn't have to be 'completely unbeatable' to be imbalanced. If it is far easier to execute than to defend that in itself is a problem. VR all-ins were never completely unbeatable either yet they were nerfed. But yeah, even if there no were no toss left in code S or A people like you would still be claiming there's no problem. I strongly disagree. In Broodwar there was Protoss Bulldog against Terran fast expansion. It was 3 gates + a robotics for shuttle to drop zealots on the high ground. It was INSANELY hard to defend and very basic to execute for a good player. Ofcourse I agree with you, that the 1-1-1 or any variation of the build is 'easy' but not as easy to execute as a lot of people might think. Ofcourse its still easier than the defence (far easier I'd even say). The thing is, that there is NOTHING TO NERF. Marines are not overpowered in itself, neither are tanks, medivacs or banshees. The combination of all those things make it very hard for Protoss. Barracks build time got nerfed and immortal range got buffed, I think this will lead to a more solid defence which could help out a lot, we will see. But "people like me" would still play and work on the game instead of wasting time complaining. BS. If Bulldog was as good as 1-1-1 is now pro BW toss players would have used it a lot more. And the last part is easy to say as a terran. Even pro terrans like Polt and MVP can admit there is something wrong, but go ahead and keep advocating for your race. It's pretty obvious how biased you are. They admit the combination is wrong and I agree, but its not solved by nerfing the individual units. MVP also said he wouldn't use it, because its overpowered and... wait. What did he do to HuK? A variation of it, IN EVERY GAME. And I don't know what level you are on in Broodwar, but Bulldog was definately a good build if executed well (aka do not let your opponent scout everything-_-) We're talking about pro level not ladder level. Bulldog does not get used at pro level because it's not difficult for them to stop it even though ladder players may struggle with it. 1-1-1 does get used at pro level and pros lose to it 90% of the time. Can you really not see the difference? None of us would care if only ladder players were losing to 1-1-1s but that's not the case as you well know. And as someone else pointed out you were a huge terran qqer before so basically you're being a huge hypocrite saying that toss should never complain about balance. Jangbi beat Flash with Bulldog in this very OSL.
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On September 22 2011 04:59 Ansinjunger wrote:
The only non Terran worth complaining about not making it out of group stages is HuK, because of that all-in transition into even more all-in. Zenio played crappy against ASD (losing 8 spread out mutas in T's base).
So Zenio deserves to lose because he made one mistake and lost 8 Mutas? How many Siege Tanks did ASD lose during his pushes? Isn't Zerg the race that's supposed to be able to replenish their units faster? It looks more and more like Terran is the swarm race that can keep throwing away their units until they overwhelm.
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On September 22 2011 04:31 galivet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:19 Vindicare605 wrote:On September 22 2011 04:11 galivet wrote:
I'm so glad I didn't buy a season ticket in advance this time. I would be really interested to see how GOM's revenue from GSL ticket sales has fluctuated over the past 4 months.
I think that GOM needs to start letting viewers buy individual matches for a low price. Otherwise for protoss fans it just doesn't seem to be worth it to pay for a whole season ticket for just a handful of games that feature protoss, and I don't see that changing any time soon. I'd say their online ticket sales make up a minority of their revenue and they shouldn't be concerned about it. I'm curious, where does most of their revenue come from then?
Advertisement in vods, sponsorships, Blizzard, advertisement on Korean stream (which probably gets more viewers, as the Korean vods get way more viewers than the English vods)
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On September 22 2011 06:00 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:31 galivet wrote:On September 22 2011 04:19 Vindicare605 wrote:On September 22 2011 04:11 galivet wrote:
I'm so glad I didn't buy a season ticket in advance this time. I would be really interested to see how GOM's revenue from GSL ticket sales has fluctuated over the past 4 months.
I think that GOM needs to start letting viewers buy individual matches for a low price. Otherwise for protoss fans it just doesn't seem to be worth it to pay for a whole season ticket for just a handful of games that feature protoss, and I don't see that changing any time soon. I'd say their online ticket sales make up a minority of their revenue and they shouldn't be concerned about it. I'm curious, where does most of their revenue come from then? Advertisement in vods, sponsorships, Blizzard, advertisement on Korean stream (which probably gets more viewers, as the Korean vods get way more viewers than the English vods)
Can someone tell me where i can see the # of korean views in GSL?
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On September 22 2011 06:00 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:31 galivet wrote:On September 22 2011 04:19 Vindicare605 wrote:On September 22 2011 04:11 galivet wrote:
I'm so glad I didn't buy a season ticket in advance this time. I would be really interested to see how GOM's revenue from GSL ticket sales has fluctuated over the past 4 months.
I think that GOM needs to start letting viewers buy individual matches for a low price. Otherwise for protoss fans it just doesn't seem to be worth it to pay for a whole season ticket for just a handful of games that feature protoss, and I don't see that changing any time soon. I'd say their online ticket sales make up a minority of their revenue and they shouldn't be concerned about it. I'm curious, where does most of their revenue come from then? Advertisement in vods, sponsorships, Blizzard, advertisement on Korean stream (which probably gets more viewers, as the Korean vods get way more viewers than the English vods)
Well, it seems like all of those things things are tied to how many viewers the tournament gets. So I guess originally I should have just said "revenue from the GSL has fluctuated over the past 4 months". I'm not buying a season ticket, but I'm also not watching the VODs with embedded advertising.
My main point was that I wonder whether or not the trend of poor protoss performances in the GSL is starting to hit GOM's bottom line.
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Group C = totally predictable
Group D = almost backwards of what I would have predicted  ((((
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wow, just watched huk vs virus, and, i dont know what to say, what is with the terran all ins on protoss, like i thought huk played very well, and still, not even close. he rapes the 1st all in, and guess what, terran all ins, AGAIN with the same amount of shit, and just kills him no problem. sad face.
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