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Obligatory public note for all large tournament threads:
The following is a list of behaviors that will get immediate bans:
1. Whining about stream
2. Bashing other games
3. Flaming other users
4. Bashing players
5. Complaining about imbalance.
It is in no way complete. Keep in mind that there's a difference between pointing out that the SC2 and CoD streams were switched and whining about it (same thing on pointing out/asking about stream lag and whining about it, etc.). Also, just because you post something and aren't immediately banned for it doesn't mean you won't get caught. We'll be going through this thread very carefully.
That being said, enjoy today's games!
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On August 27 2011 13:16 FighterHayabusa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 13:10 Slakter wrote:On August 27 2011 13:08 FighterHayabusa wrote:
Mutas are really terrible, and they shouldn't be that bad for their cost. To those saying that he engaged badly...he didn't have anything left, and he had plenty of banes, but about 15 of them died at once to one siege tank shot. Marines just do way too much DPS for the cost. First of all you´re talking imba in a LR-thread which is against the rules. Secondly, you´re wrong. You cant judge how good mutas are by looking at straight up fights just like you cant judge reapers based on straight fights. No, I'm talking about utility for cost, and it isn't there with any zerg unit except the Infestor and Brood lord. Everything else is basically a glass cannon or worse. Some do decent damage, but have pitiful health. The best unit in this game is the marine as far as utility for the investment. With stim they are absurd, and eclipse every unit in the game.
Cool that you think that, you dont seem to have ever used a fungal growth. Now stop complaining about imbalance in an LR-thread.
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On August 27 2011 13:16 FighterHayabusa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 13:10 Slakter wrote:On August 27 2011 13:08 FighterHayabusa wrote:
Mutas are really terrible, and they shouldn't be that bad for their cost. To those saying that he engaged badly...he didn't have anything left, and he had plenty of banes, but about 15 of them died at once to one siege tank shot. Marines just do way too much DPS for the cost. First of all you´re talking imba in a LR-thread which is against the rules. Secondly, you´re wrong. You cant judge how good mutas are by looking at straight up fights just like you cant judge reapers based on straight fights. No, I'm talking about utility for cost, and it isn't there with any zerg unit except the Infestor and Brood lord. Everything else is basically a glass cannon or worse. Some do decent damage, but have pitiful health. The best unit in this game is the marine as far as utility for the investment. With stim they are absurd, and eclipse every unit in the game.
Ive seen you discuss this in other threads aswell and you are still as misguided I see. Had zerg been a costeffective race it would be ridicolously OP. And besides, mutalisks cost is well worth it considering what they bring to the table. I must ask, at what level do you play the game? Simple curiousity to where your opinions come from (no BM intended). I myself is far from a pro but can stand my ground against master Ts and probably win half.
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Plz stop all the hate and disrespect against Sjow. He's an awesome player and he's only going to get better in Korea. He took a game against Bomber's insane TvT ffs.
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On August 27 2011 13:20 Slakter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 13:16 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 27 2011 13:10 Slakter wrote:On August 27 2011 13:08 FighterHayabusa wrote:
Mutas are really terrible, and they shouldn't be that bad for their cost. To those saying that he engaged badly...he didn't have anything left, and he had plenty of banes, but about 15 of them died at once to one siege tank shot. Marines just do way too much DPS for the cost. First of all you´re talking imba in a LR-thread which is against the rules. Secondly, you´re wrong. You cant judge how good mutas are by looking at straight up fights just like you cant judge reapers based on straight fights. No, I'm talking about utility for cost, and it isn't there with any zerg unit except the Infestor and Brood lord. Everything else is basically a glass cannon or worse. Some do decent damage, but have pitiful health. The best unit in this game is the marine as far as utility for the investment. With stim they are absurd, and eclipse every unit in the game. Cool that you think that, you dont seem to have ever used a fungal growth. Now stop complaining about imbalance in an LR-thread.
This can be proven statistically. Nothing beats the marine for the investment in build time/cost/supply. If you can make a logical argument that can prove otherwise please try to do so because I'd love to see it.
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EG pro gaming house making players worse since 2011.
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On August 27 2011 13:13 Dozle wrote:
Look I dislike IdrA but stimmed marines are fucking ridiculous sometimes.
Are you kidding? EVERY unit is ridiculous if you don't have any frame of reference. Banelings are RIDICULOUS, 2 can kill like 20 marines. See what I did there? It's so retarded to say stuff like this.
Just TWO infestors would have won him the game, he certainly had the money and time to make them. He REFUSES to use infestors, even though they are arguably the most broken unit in the game. USE INFESTORS.
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Well Huk is fairing a little better.
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On August 27 2011 13:20 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 13:18 WhiteraCares wrote:On August 27 2011 13:11 Obscenity wrote:
Anyone who thinks 50 mineral units should do that much damage is delusional. Idra played those games masterfully from start to finish, dominated the map, and lost to some scumbag who could build barracks and hit A. Scrumbag? Doesn't that further prove the fact that Idra just isn't that good these days. I've seen low masters players handle similar situations much much better. Like I said before; Idra is all marketing but hes not a top tier player anymore. Move on. True. Idra isn't that great. And to be honest, I don't think his training with korea will help that much. But I still think he's better than Sjow...
Idra was a complete beast the last time he came back from Korea and we've seen what Huk has done why would he not improve this time? Sjow beat him why talk about who we think is "better" when we just saw the match. Sjow was better today.
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On August 27 2011 13:22 FighterHayabusa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 13:20 Slakter wrote:On August 27 2011 13:16 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 27 2011 13:10 Slakter wrote:On August 27 2011 13:08 FighterHayabusa wrote:
Mutas are really terrible, and they shouldn't be that bad for their cost. To those saying that he engaged badly...he didn't have anything left, and he had plenty of banes, but about 15 of them died at once to one siege tank shot. Marines just do way too much DPS for the cost. First of all you´re talking imba in a LR-thread which is against the rules. Secondly, you´re wrong. You cant judge how good mutas are by looking at straight up fights just like you cant judge reapers based on straight fights. No, I'm talking about utility for cost, and it isn't there with any zerg unit except the Infestor and Brood lord. Everything else is basically a glass cannon or worse. Some do decent damage, but have pitiful health. The best unit in this game is the marine as far as utility for the investment. With stim they are absurd, and eclipse every unit in the game. Cool that you think that, you dont seem to have ever used a fungal growth. Now stop complaining about imbalance in an LR-thread. This can be proven statistically. Nothing beats the marine for the investment in build time/cost/supply. If you can make a logical argument that can prove otherwise please try to do so because I'd love to see it.
your the one claiming it, you prove it instead. You cant just make a claim with no evidence and ask to be disproven.
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That was just terrible. Making that many mutas instead of bling/infestor against Terran is an absolute scrub move. You can only get away with overmaking mutas like that when you've crushed the other player so badly that they can't get enough marines together to resist, and even then you might more safely win in other ways. It's obviously not a balance issue because you don't see players like Nestea, Losira or DRG do similar boneheaded crap. Idra used to be able to easily handle players like Sjow and actually compete with some of the Koreans. He's just kind of bad right now, mediocre. Unless he just completely breaks down and comes to some kind of emotional insight into himself and remakes his whole attitude towards competition, he'll never go anywhere regardless of what race he plays.
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I really think it's all in IdrA's head, he has so much pressure on him, more than 90% of the other SC2 foreigners. Am I wrong about that?
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Marines OWN mutas en masse vs. en masse . This is fact and everyone know this, from bronzies to GMs. And yet, when it happens in game people scream imba. Just astounding really.
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On August 27 2011 13:20 Slakter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 13:16 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 27 2011 13:10 Slakter wrote:On August 27 2011 13:08 FighterHayabusa wrote:
Mutas are really terrible, and they shouldn't be that bad for their cost. To those saying that he engaged badly...he didn't have anything left, and he had plenty of banes, but about 15 of them died at once to one siege tank shot. Marines just do way too much DPS for the cost. First of all you´re talking imba in a LR-thread which is against the rules. Secondly, you´re wrong. You cant judge how good mutas are by looking at straight up fights just like you cant judge reapers based on straight fights. No, I'm talking about utility for cost, and it isn't there with any zerg unit except the Infestor and Brood lord. Everything else is basically a glass cannon or worse. Some do decent damage, but have pitiful health. The best unit in this game is the marine as far as utility for the investment. With stim they are absurd, and eclipse every unit in the game. Cool that you think that, you dont seem to have ever used a fungal growth. Now stop complaining about imbalance in an LR-thread.
ffs, Fungals eat marines worse than storms do. Idra is just bad. Horrible decision making. Sack that one expansion while waiting for infestors. Hell, you SHOULD have had like 5 infestors by time he got to your base if you weren't so bad.
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I missed it, but congrats to Sjow on beating IdrA!
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On August 27 2011 13:22 FighterHayabusa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 13:20 Slakter wrote:On August 27 2011 13:16 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 27 2011 13:10 Slakter wrote:On August 27 2011 13:08 FighterHayabusa wrote:
Mutas are really terrible, and they shouldn't be that bad for their cost. To those saying that he engaged badly...he didn't have anything left, and he had plenty of banes, but about 15 of them died at once to one siege tank shot. Marines just do way too much DPS for the cost. First of all you´re talking imba in a LR-thread which is against the rules. Secondly, you´re wrong. You cant judge how good mutas are by looking at straight up fights just like you cant judge reapers based on straight fights. No, I'm talking about utility for cost, and it isn't there with any zerg unit except the Infestor and Brood lord. Everything else is basically a glass cannon or worse. Some do decent damage, but have pitiful health. The best unit in this game is the marine as far as utility for the investment. With stim they are absurd, and eclipse every unit in the game. Cool that you think that, you dont seem to have ever used a fungal growth. Now stop complaining about imbalance in an LR-thread. This can be proven statistically. Nothing beats the marine for the investment in build time/cost/supply. If you can make a logical argument that can prove otherwise please try to do so because I'd love to see it.
That doesn't mean it's actual fucking utility. If you consider it's mineral to damage output, mineral to health output, movement, counters... It's not just "Derp it has this DPS and costs this much, best unit in the game", that's not how Starcraft fucking works.
Marines can't harass in the same manner as Mutalisks for example, what statistical comparison are you going to draw there? How much should movement speed count for? How about the ability to fly? How about the bouncing missile attacks? What are the statistical comparators?
That's not how Starcraft works.
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On August 27 2011 13:22 FighterHayabusa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 13:20 Slakter wrote:On August 27 2011 13:16 FighterHayabusa wrote:On August 27 2011 13:10 Slakter wrote:On August 27 2011 13:08 FighterHayabusa wrote:
Mutas are really terrible, and they shouldn't be that bad for their cost. To those saying that he engaged badly...he didn't have anything left, and he had plenty of banes, but about 15 of them died at once to one siege tank shot. Marines just do way too much DPS for the cost. First of all you´re talking imba in a LR-thread which is against the rules. Secondly, you´re wrong. You cant judge how good mutas are by looking at straight up fights just like you cant judge reapers based on straight fights. No, I'm talking about utility for cost, and it isn't there with any zerg unit except the Infestor and Brood lord. Everything else is basically a glass cannon or worse. Some do decent damage, but have pitiful health. The best unit in this game is the marine as far as utility for the investment. With stim they are absurd, and eclipse every unit in the game. Cool that you think that, you dont seem to have ever used a fungal growth. Now stop complaining about imbalance in an LR-thread. This can be proven statistically. Nothing beats the marine for the investment in build time/cost/supply. If you can make a logical argument that can prove otherwise please try to do so because I'd love to see it.
Seriously... GET THE FUCK OUT. This is a Live Report thread. Take your balance talk elsewhere.
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who won kiwi vs sheth? liquidpedia says kiwi won 2-1? i thought sheth won 2-1??
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man the crowd at raleigh is no where near as big as the one at anaheim was -_-
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I had already stated that I gave up on Idra a LONG time ago. I seemed to forget how I felt about him until now.
He quits games in major tournaments faster then I would quit games on pointless custom games or even in ladder. What is his deal? There is no reason to quit games so fast. You need to try to be able to win from behind if you ever want to be a truly great player.
Idra has the mechanical prowess to be great, but time and time again he shows poor decision making, stubborn play, a bad attitude, and inability to react correctly when it matters most.
Why would he not even kill the third base and sprint immediately back to his own? That was an amature mistake. Zerg is so mobile you don't need to immedietly react, compounded with the fact that zerg production can come out in huge waves. All he needed was to hold back get the proper units and attack from the right angles and he would have traded evenly or even had the advantage. Instead he A moves like a bronze player and loses his 70 supply lead.
It just boggles my mind how someone so good, one of the top NA grand masters can be so bad in tournaments. I really believe he has some serious mental issues, issues that extend far beyond quitting starcraft games so early it is idiotic.
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