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nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
August 27 2011 04:26 GMT
#1721
No matter how much Idra trains he will never be able to remove that stubborn streak that holds him back.
arfyron
Profile Joined July 2011
518 Posts
August 27 2011 04:26 GMT
#1722
I would be worried about Idra's ability to recover tomorrow. I imagine he's really mad that he lost to sjow and that could mess up his entire tournament. He really needs to get back to Korea to get his mechanics back. Earlier in the game he was able to do well because his mechanics were much better than those of most players but now that people have caught up he needs to step up his game. As a huge Idra fan I'm pretty disappointed.
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
August 27 2011 04:26 GMT
#1723
On August 27 2011 13:24 dcsoda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 13:20 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:18 WhiteraCares wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:11 Obscenity wrote:
Anyone who thinks 50 mineral units should do that much damage is delusional. Idra played those games masterfully from start to finish, dominated the map, and lost to some scumbag who could build barracks and hit A.


Scrumbag?

Doesn't that further prove the fact that Idra just isn't that good these days. I've seen low masters players handle similar situations much much better. Like I said before; Idra is all marketing but hes not a top tier player anymore. Move on.


True. Idra isn't that great. And to be honest, I don't think his training with korea will help that much. But I still think he's better than Sjow...


Idra was a complete beast the last time he came back from Korea and we've seen what Huk has done why would he not improve this time? Sjow beat him why talk about who we think is "better" when we just saw the match. Sjow was better today.


Exactly, sjow was just better today. Overall, Idra is still better. It's like the Cleveland Browns beating the Packers in one game. Doesn't mean Browns are better than the Packers, especially if it`s only one game (or one series in this case). And to be honest, Idra doesn`t have the same practise partners/environment as last time in Korea. So no, I don't think he'll improve THAT much again this time around.
KhAmun
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1005 Posts
August 27 2011 04:27 GMT
#1724
Idra's playstyle of heavey muta early, later third and low mutaling bane just seems outdated...

Now we are seeing earlier thirds, later mutas and heavier ling counts, which the muta count evens up as the game goes on but the ling count stays in favor of the faster third.
I realy really really hate to see his playstyle stagnating like this, as we have seen in the IPL and his ZvP.
I haven't seen his ZvP in the last few days but I hope he is playing a more updated style like Ret, in ling/infestor/brood/corruptor.
Alvalanker
Profile Joined July 2011
United States253 Posts
August 27 2011 04:27 GMT
#1725
I can't wait to see the next interview IdrA does.
The fragile art of existence is kept alive by sheer persistence.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 27 2011 04:27 GMT
#1726
On August 27 2011 13:25 tuestresfat wrote:
who won kiwi vs sheth? liquidpedia says kiwi won 2-1? i thought sheth won 2-1??

Kiwi won 2-1, liquipedia still hasn't been corrected ><
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
August 27 2011 04:27 GMT
#1727
On August 27 2011 13:25 rickybobby wrote:
man the crowd at raleigh is no where near as big as the one at anaheim was -_-


Hurricane lol
ShovZ
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom56 Posts
August 27 2011 04:27 GMT
#1728
On August 27 2011 13:27 Alvalanker wrote:
I can't wait to see the next interview IdrA does.


"marines are op" xD
winrar?
exarchrum
Profile Joined August 2010
United States491 Posts
August 27 2011 04:28 GMT
#1729
On August 27 2011 13:25 rickybobby wrote:
man the crowd at raleigh is no where near as big as the one at anaheim was -_-

the hurricane might have dissuaded people from traveling
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Quotidian
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1937 Posts
August 27 2011 04:28 GMT
#1730
On August 27 2011 13:26 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 13:24 dcsoda wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:20 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:18 WhiteraCares wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:11 Obscenity wrote:
Anyone who thinks 50 mineral units should do that much damage is delusional. Idra played those games masterfully from start to finish, dominated the map, and lost to some scumbag who could build barracks and hit A.


Scrumbag?

Doesn't that further prove the fact that Idra just isn't that good these days. I've seen low masters players handle similar situations much much better. Like I said before; Idra is all marketing but hes not a top tier player anymore. Move on.


True. Idra isn't that great. And to be honest, I don't think his training with korea will help that much. But I still think he's better than Sjow...


Idra was a complete beast the last time he came back from Korea and we've seen what Huk has done why would he not improve this time? Sjow beat him why talk about who we think is "better" when we just saw the match. Sjow was better today.


Exactly, sjow was just better today. Overall, Idra is still better.


there is no "overall" ... you're only as good as your latest result. Being good in the past does not count.
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
August 27 2011 04:28 GMT
#1731
On August 27 2011 13:27 Alvalanker wrote:
I can't wait to see the next interview IdrA does.


Lol, at least he GGed. Both games too.
WhiteraCares
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden339 Posts
August 27 2011 04:28 GMT
#1732
On August 27 2011 13:24 dcsoda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 13:20 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:18 WhiteraCares wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:11 Obscenity wrote:
Anyone who thinks 50 mineral units should do that much damage is delusional. Idra played those games masterfully from start to finish, dominated the map, and lost to some scumbag who could build barracks and hit A.


Scrumbag?

Doesn't that further prove the fact that Idra just isn't that good these days. I've seen low masters players handle similar situations much much better. Like I said before; Idra is all marketing but hes not a top tier player anymore. Move on.


True. Idra isn't that great. And to be honest, I don't think his training with korea will help that much. But I still think he's better than Sjow...


Idra was a complete beast the last time he came back from Korea and we've seen what Huk has done why would he not improve this time? Sjow beat him why talk about who we think is "better" when we just saw the match. Sjow was better today.


Urgh.

No he wasnt a beast, he lost shitload of games left and right to mediocre players after coming back from Korea. I believe Day9 even called it the "Korean curse" or something like that. He won IPL season 1 which had a HORRIBLE lineup. That's it.

Im beginning to see the power of brand marketing.

Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
August 27 2011 04:29 GMT
#1733
On August 27 2011 13:26 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 13:24 dcsoda wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:20 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:18 WhiteraCares wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:11 Obscenity wrote:
Anyone who thinks 50 mineral units should do that much damage is delusional. Idra played those games masterfully from start to finish, dominated the map, and lost to some scumbag who could build barracks and hit A.


Scrumbag?

Doesn't that further prove the fact that Idra just isn't that good these days. I've seen low masters players handle similar situations much much better. Like I said before; Idra is all marketing but hes not a top tier player anymore. Move on.


True. Idra isn't that great. And to be honest, I don't think his training with korea will help that much. But I still think he's better than Sjow...


Idra was a complete beast the last time he came back from Korea and we've seen what Huk has done why would he not improve this time? Sjow beat him why talk about who we think is "better" when we just saw the match. Sjow was better today.


Exactly, sjow was just better today. Overall, Idra is still better.


IdrA hasn't had any results recently, I'd say Sjow is pretty comparable... Better, even.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
August 27 2011 04:29 GMT
#1734
On August 27 2011 13:27 Alvalanker wrote:
I can't wait to see the next interview IdrA does.


I hope it's Hotbid and he holds up a picture of an investor and/or banelings and just does the 'sup son' shoulder shrug. I might die laughing.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 04:29:45
August 27 2011 04:29 GMT
#1735
Maybe Idra's experience vs Ghost mech that he experienced vs demuslim(that he constantly complained about was OP) made him think that he can't win late-game vs T, so he just stays on lair tech forever now to end it in the mid-game?
Though I guess even with that, there's no excuse for making that many mutas without a few infestors...I dunno what was going through his head really ;/ he was muta drunk.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
FighterHayabusa
Profile Joined December 2010
United States90 Posts
August 27 2011 04:29 GMT
#1736
On August 27 2011 13:20 doffe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 13:16 FighterHayabusa wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:10 Slakter wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:08 FighterHayabusa wrote:
Mutas are really terrible, and they shouldn't be that bad for their cost. To those saying that he engaged badly...he didn't have anything left, and he had plenty of banes, but about 15 of them died at once to one siege tank shot. Marines just do way too much DPS for the cost.

First of all you´re talking imba in a LR-thread which is against the rules.

Secondly, you´re wrong. You cant judge how good mutas are by looking at straight up fights just like you cant judge reapers based on straight fights.

No, I'm talking about utility for cost, and it isn't there with any zerg unit except the Infestor and Brood lord. Everything else is basically a glass cannon or worse. Some do decent damage, but have pitiful health.

The best unit in this game is the marine as far as utility for the investment. With stim they are absurd, and eclipse every unit in the game.


Ive seen you discuss this in other threads aswell and you are still as misguided I see. Had zerg been a costeffective race it would be ridicolously OP. And besides, mutalisks cost is well worth it considering what they bring to the table. I must ask, at what level do you play the game? Simple curiousity to where your opinions come from (no BM intended). I myself is far from a pro but can stand my ground against master Ts and probably win half.

I'm decent, but my level of play means just as little as yours. It is an argument from authority. Lets try to stay away from logical fallacies in a discussion.

Now, I agree that Zerg isn't cost efficient. So you must always be ahead in economy. The problem lies in the fact that zerg is also supply inefficient, and you cannot satisfy both of conditions for the whole game. You can't because you can't have both more drones and more units when you are both at 200 food.

The argument is that as zerg you shouldn't allow them to get to 200 food, but this relies more on someone else making a mistake than on your skill.
You must have to have it
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
August 27 2011 04:29 GMT
#1737

Im beginning to see the power of brand marketing.


Say something enough times and people will begin to believe it is true.
Sleight
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
2471 Posts
August 27 2011 04:31 GMT
#1738
On August 27 2011 13:28 WhiteraCares wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 13:24 dcsoda wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:20 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:18 WhiteraCares wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:11 Obscenity wrote:
Anyone who thinks 50 mineral units should do that much damage is delusional. Idra played those games masterfully from start to finish, dominated the map, and lost to some scumbag who could build barracks and hit A.


Scrumbag?

Doesn't that further prove the fact that Idra just isn't that good these days. I've seen low masters players handle similar situations much much better. Like I said before; Idra is all marketing but hes not a top tier player anymore. Move on.


True. Idra isn't that great. And to be honest, I don't think his training with korea will help that much. But I still think he's better than Sjow...


Idra was a complete beast the last time he came back from Korea and we've seen what Huk has done why would he not improve this time? Sjow beat him why talk about who we think is "better" when we just saw the match. Sjow was better today.


Urgh.

No he wasnt a beast, he lost shitload of games left and right to mediocre players after coming back from Korea. I believe Day9 even called it the "Korean curse" or something like that. He won IPL season 1 which had a HORRIBLE lineup. That's it.

Im beginning to see the power of brand marketing.



Wait... Beating Kiwi is horrible? Isn't everyone talking about what a beast Kiwi is? Huh. OHHHH RIGHT!! He's terrible for only winning an MLG, like Jinro, being Code S forever, like Jinro, beating Sheth in the finals of a tournament for a free trip to Korea 3 weeks ago, and 2-0ing Haypro.

Man, losing to Bomber, one of the best TvZ in the world, and Dig.Sjow, a player Bomber called CODE S CALIBER on his twitter, makes him terrible.
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bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
August 27 2011 04:31 GMT
#1739
On August 27 2011 13:28 WhiteraCares wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 13:24 dcsoda wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:20 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:18 WhiteraCares wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:11 Obscenity wrote:
Anyone who thinks 50 mineral units should do that much damage is delusional. Idra played those games masterfully from start to finish, dominated the map, and lost to some scumbag who could build barracks and hit A.


Scrumbag?

Doesn't that further prove the fact that Idra just isn't that good these days. I've seen low masters players handle similar situations much much better. Like I said before; Idra is all marketing but hes not a top tier player anymore. Move on.


True. Idra isn't that great. And to be honest, I don't think his training with korea will help that much. But I still think he's better than Sjow...


Idra was a complete beast the last time he came back from Korea and we've seen what Huk has done why would he not improve this time? Sjow beat him why talk about who we think is "better" when we just saw the match. Sjow was better today.


Urgh.

No he wasnt a beast, he lost shitload of games left and right to mediocre players after coming back from Korea. I believe Day9 even called it the "Korean curse" or something like that. He won IPL season 1 which had a HORRIBLE lineup. That's it.

Im beginning to see the power of brand marketing.



This is so true. IdrA was hardly even a beast in Korea, and winning IPL was pretty much meaningless as it had very few top level foreign players in it. Frankly, he is the most overrated player in the world, because of Artosis and E.G. - the two greatest hype producers in foreign starcraft.
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dcsoda
Profile Joined June 2011
United States583 Posts
August 27 2011 04:31 GMT
#1740
On August 27 2011 13:26 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 13:24 dcsoda wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:20 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:18 WhiteraCares wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:11 Obscenity wrote:
Anyone who thinks 50 mineral units should do that much damage is delusional. Idra played those games masterfully from start to finish, dominated the map, and lost to some scumbag who could build barracks and hit A.


Scrumbag?

Doesn't that further prove the fact that Idra just isn't that good these days. I've seen low masters players handle similar situations much much better. Like I said before; Idra is all marketing but hes not a top tier player anymore. Move on.


True. Idra isn't that great. And to be honest, I don't think his training with korea will help that much. But I still think he's better than Sjow...


Idra was a complete beast the last time he came back from Korea and we've seen what Huk has done why would he not improve this time? Sjow beat him why talk about who we think is "better" when we just saw the match. Sjow was better today.


Exactly, sjow was just better today. Overall, Idra is still better. It's like the Cleveland Browns beating the Packers in one game. Doesn't mean Browns are better than the Packers, especially if it`s only one game (or one series in this case). And to be honest, Idra doesn`t have the same practise partners/environment as last time in Korea. So no, I don't think he'll improve THAT much again this time around.



Who were his playing partners the last time? I never read too much about him while he was over there. But with Huk and PuMa I'd say he's got two pretty good ones right there and being on the Korean ladder with no lag will be a pretty good boost.
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