EPT"The Role of Protoss is to just die. It even happens in the campaign. They're just sticking to the story. As a note, I play Terran."
That is hilarious :D
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Finrod1
Germany3997 Posts
"The Role of Protoss is to just die. It even happens in the campaign. They're just sticking to the story. As a note, I play Terran." That is hilarious :D | ||
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kheldorin
Singapore539 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:12 Evangelist wrote: It's marvellous to think that I can watch a game and then someone can watch the same game and see something completely fictional. Game 2, MC had Puma on the ropes, pulled macro, macroed up, but didn't upgrade fast enough. Lost first engagement after that. Puma missed one or two EMPs, and then he got one off that hit his ENTIRE HT FORCE (which, btw, where all clumped together) as well as sniping the obvious Warp Prism HT drop. If someone killed my entire ghost force with a colossus I'd expect to lose the engagement. MC made a big mistake. It wasn't a small mistake. It was a big one. He let his HTs get caught by EMP before getting storms off. He engaged into a maurader heavy bioball with zealots up a ramp and then tried to charge the other side with stalkers. Neither was playing perfectly. Puma lost a drop or two. The engagement was bad for MC, and I knew the moment it was announced he was putting forges up as Puma was hitting 2-2 that it was going to end that way, just like it did with Thorzain. This balance whine deserves to be thrown at 1/1/1 but I don't know how the hell you expect terrans to deal with infestor play or even HTs if you gut EMP. But that's not his entire HTs. He still had plenty HT at the back. How can you not see that? So Puma got off just ONE EMP and he should win while MC got off plenty of good storms and feedbacks and he should not? Your standards are crazy. You don't even need ghosts vs collossus. You need vikings. WTH are you talking about? Terrans need to use their SNIPE and CLOAK vs feedback. And Zealots running into a ball is FINE. It's Zealots running into a well concaved MMM is what's considered a bad engagement. Puma didn't even need to bother with his concave...just bunch up his medivacs, marine, and marauders. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:16 Buff Terrans wrote: This whine is so ridiculous. What do you guys expect? Remove Marines/Tanks and Banshees? It's just a good BO to punish a Toss who early expands. That is actually the biggest problem right now. 1-1-1 is definitely imbalanced, but the units themselves are not, which means fixing it would make terran a joke race. And no, it doesn't punish only early expands, it punishes every protoss build. Actually 1 base protoss is worse off against 1-1-1 than any FE. | ||
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Buff Terrans
Germany75 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:18 Mentymion wrote: TOSS NEED A COMPLETE REDESIGN THAT IS THE PROBLEM !!!!!!!!! Not going to happen. | ||
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skyrunner
371 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:09 oogieogie wrote: huh this situation seems very similar..i wonder how.. Why do you like bolding ppl's quotes so much rofl. We know what you're responding too, it's like all of what he said haha. What he is saying is that puma (rightfully imo) doesn't get shit personally for doing an all-in build. While 4gaters used to be abused when they did 4gate. Ppl itt are complaining about 1/1/1 not puma. | ||
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mortalisx
United Kingdom21 Posts
This whine is so ridiculous. What do you guys expect? Remove Marines/Tanks and Banshees? It's just a good BO to punish a Toss who early expands. yea man and i really like the way it also punishes protoss who don't fast expand. | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:07 Sein wrote: MC's army got split up and taken out several times in that last game. He needlessly lost a few phoenixes and never snuck a probe out from his hidden expo even though it was already saturated. That expensive DT shrine also went to waste because MC only got a couple of DT's that just ran into Puma's balled up army with a raven above it. I believe Puma was also down to 1 building at the end, so had MC built another building somewhere far around the map (maybe even a nexus in the gas vents instead of warping in a few zealots that got immediately taken out toward the end), he may have won the game. Of course, I realize that hindsight is 20/20 and MC is still one of the greatest player in the world even though he's been slumping a bit lately. However, I'm just pointing some things out because I do not believe Puma's build in the 3rd game was unstoppable. Ok, so we have it figured out how to beat 1/1/1, you have to base trade and hide your buildings around the map and snipe the raven, whilst you kill his buildings floated to the corner of the map with your pheonixs. Seems easy enough. | ||
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titan_tase
Cyprus17 Posts
I wish some mod would be here to stop all this QQ nonsense. | ||
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PBG
40 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:09 hyptonic wrote: Don't take that out of context. It was months and he said Terran was weakest in the GSL because the maps were so big. how is that out of context? the map the current game is being played has and always will be part of the game. I guess the map pool of all tournament maps should be identical in size so there's no variability. Anyway my point was that with the massive qqing in this thread not that most people will read this since I figure there will at least be another 2-3 pages by the time this gets posted is that just because a pro says an opinion doesn't make it to be true. You can claim no bias but you're always going to be slightly biased toward the race you play. I'm not disagreeing 1-1-1 is not very good right now but notice the frequency of people saying terran 1-1-1 is overpowered/too good to the number of protoss players. | ||
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Cyrak
Canada536 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:11 karpo wrote: Congrats on adding another BW > SC2 post to the huge list. He's just using BW as a frame of reference in RTSes and how something that seems overpowered might be solved with alot of work. Yeah and I'm saying that using it as a frame of reference is a poorly disguised straw man defense of the current state of the game and he shouldn't do it. | ||
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
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TooN
1046 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:12 Overpowered wrote: I give credit to PuMa, he deserved his win, but I cant help but think that PvT metagame and its current state is broken. Protoss really needs to change playstyle like Zerg did (they had buff tho). The problem is - how? Stargate play doesnt work, HT is too vulnerable, gateway units are not cost efficient, blink stalkers are very squishy against MMM, DT is joke because of scans, Archon just dont do enough damage for their cost anc Collosi are too slow to get vs.1-1-1 and are easily counterable by pretty mobile and cheap easily productable vikings. I just dont have any clue what to do as a Protoss... Same composition, with different timings and maps, is what I'm guessing. Protoss losing to one-base/two-base all-ins from Terran is a map fixable issue. Tanks on high/low ground are ridiculous and maps like Metalopolis are the worse culprits in promoting this. | ||
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powerdawg96
United States129 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:19 mortalisx wrote: yea man and i really like the way it also punishes protoss who don't fast expand. true siege up so that tank can shoot toss' future expansion, and setup a contain | ||
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Jaedong4thOSL
United States487 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:12 chatuka wrote: good for you man. I think you are in the minority here so have fun. I'll root for the classier player which is MC> MC is classier than whom, Puma? How do you draw this conclusion? | ||
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morningbreeze
United States26 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:07 xbankx wrote: 2 base mutaling versus toss was solved by 6 gate timing. that was the only thing that is in my mind atm. Roach-ling all in zvp had its time. As did the collossus/voidray death ball. Both were solved without patches. Now I know that those two builds don't seem as powerful as the current 1/1/1 (and I agree they're not quite on the same level), but I think they're fair to cite. Moreover, my point is that the only thing more upsetting than imbalance in your favorite game is the community's general shift in attitude away from problem-solving and towards problem-identifying. You may very well be right about the 1/1/1, and my issue isn't really with you or with the build. Personally, I find it much more agreeable to take a grin-and-bear-it attitude, as the alternative (instant despair in the absence of immediate answers handed down by the almighty internet) is too depressing. | ||
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izgodlee
Canada133 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:18 mordk wrote: That is actually the biggest problem right now. 1-1-1 is definitely imbalanced, but the units themselves are not, which means fixing it would make terran a joke race. And no, it doesn't punish only early expands, it punishes every protoss build. Actually 1 base protoss is worse off against 1-1-1 than any FE. marine hp decreased to 40hp, combat shields now give +15 hp~ just sayin | ||
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chatuka
1351 Posts
MC is actually increasing in popularity after this finals. but MC needs to win the up and downs. cmon nerd baller you can do it. | ||
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
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hugedong
United States510 Posts
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