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Keype
Sweden455 Posts
Edit: Oh lol didnt realize my birthday is now in korean time Awesome :D | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
You clearly weren't watching closely. Puma wasted 2 EMPs on a single observer, then missed like 2 or 3 more, whilst only hitting 2 templar, in the rest of situations, MC managed to pull off BOTH a feedback AND a storm before EMP landed over templars. It WAS a huge mistake with the WP though It actually slipped my mind about the observer (he must have felt comfortable about that), but he missed one as MC was in retreat and maybe one other, and then hit the money EMP. It's not like Storm is hard to use, is it. Point at terran bioball and fire? You've gotta realize that the two abilities play off against each other. You gut one, you make the other stronger, and Storm definitely does not need to be any stronger than it is. | ||
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Liveon
Netherlands1083 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:12 Tuk wrote: I dont understand why this series can be used to discuss balance at all. Game 1 MC actually defended this "horribly broken 1-1-1" attack but some poor decision making (imo) meant the second push got through him. Game 2 was just a game changing micro mistake and puma had some better positioning/upgrades (also mc could of had more gateways to resupply his army i believe) Game 3 was stupid. What i dont understand however is why toss players are so keen on expanding early even when the terran is doing some sort of blatant one base surely the terran will win on a build order level automatically, if the toss one based more then this wouldnt be such a problem? it just seems "oh wow my fast expo build lost to a all in with workers etc must be overpowered" Game 1: He defended it but went for immortals instead of colossi (which I thought he should do, but I'm a noob). I guess that's what you meant with the poor decision making. The second 'all-in' took him out because marines --> immortals big time. Nothing broken, just very hard to defend. Game 2: one unforgiving fault of driving your fully loaded warp prism into enemy marines. Game over because the protoss didn't have any AOE damage. didn't watch game three, but didn't see anything broken. I really hate terran though, just don't think they're imbalanced. | ||
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Buff Terrans
Germany75 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:14 aut0mati0n wrote: So is it that Terran is currently OP or does Toss need a buff? This whine is so ridiculous. What do you guys expect? Remove Marines/Tanks and Banshees? It's just a good BO to punish a Toss who early expands. | ||
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Jayrod
1820 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:06 hugman wrote: Expand later, get Colossus faster, cancel expo if you need to, fall irrecoverably behind when you can finally scout and see they have 2 orbitals fixed | ||
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Xercen
United Kingdom375 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:10 kheldorin wrote: You can see nerves because Nerchio made a lot of major mistakes he usually doesn't do. You don't see any nerves in MC's play in these matches. well game 1 he defended the 1-1-1. logically, the next step would be to not continue to expand and rather go 1 base and fortify his army with colossus. he would have had colossus immortal stalker sentry and zealot which would have more than likely won him the game game 2. he lost the warp prism because for some reason it was further ahead than his army game 3 he decided to go for a base trade for some reason instead of trying game 1 tactics but with more refinement. yeah he didn't seem nervous but he still made a ton of mistakes that mc usually never does. maybe he just hates playing vs puma. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:10 aut0mati0n wrote: Can someone explain to me why 1-1-1 is imba in general? I'm not trying to troll here, but the only reason people are listing for 1-1-1 being so overpowered is that PuMa just beat MC in three very lackluster games (I think MC was not playing up to his normal level). But yeah is 1-1-1 actually destroying the metagame or is this just normal TL qq after a big tournament? . See wiki entry on definition of balance. Easy to do compared to difficulty to defend even scouted. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:10 aut0mati0n wrote: Can someone explain to me why 1-1-1 is imba in general? I'm not trying to troll here, but the only reason people are listing for 1-1-1 being so overpowered is that PuMa just beat MC in three very lackluster games (I think MC was not playing up to his normal level). But yeah is 1-1-1 actually destroying the metagame or is this just normal TL qq after a big tournament? You really think these are the only tournament games in which this strat has been used so effectively? Have you not seen how utterly dominating this build has been in the GSL tournaments? | ||
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Snaphoo
United States614 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:37 taLbuk wrote: Remember when zergs were crying 2 months ago about protoss being unbeatable and than they changed up their strategy and playstyle? Protoss will do the same ,so instead of QQ'ing on forums hopefully they put their effort into finding a solution, but I'm sure the top toss are trying, granted MC just lost, look what Mana did to PuMa in group stage. Zerg didn't change up their playstyle, they got one of the biggest buffs in since Beta in the Infestor. If that's what it means to "figure out how to change up strategy/playstyle" then Blizzard needs to hurry up and let Toss do it | ||
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:12 Evangelist wrote: It's marvellous to think that I can watch a game and then someone can watch the same game and see something completely fictional. Game 2, MC had Puma on the ropes, pulled macro, macroed up, but didn't upgrade fast enough. Lost first engagement after that. Puma missed one or two EMPs, and then he got one off that hit his ENTIRE HT FORCE (which, btw, where all clumped together) as well as sniping the obvious Warp Prism HT drop. If someone killed my entire ghost force with a colossus I'd expect to lose the engagement. MC made a big mistake. It wasn't a small mistake. It was a big one. He let his HTs get caught by EMP before getting storms off. He engaged into a maurader heavy bioball with zealots up a ramp and then tried to charge the other side with stalkers. Neither was playing perfectly. Puma lost a drop or two. The engagement was bad for MC, and I knew the moment it was announced he was putting forges up as Puma was hitting 2-2 that it was going to end that way, just like it did with Thorzain. This balance whine deserves to be thrown at 1/1/1 but I don't know how the hell you expect terrans to deal with infestor play or even HTs if you gut EMP. Do you play the game? I play zerg, and I know a colossus can't take out a ghost. It takes 4 shots. | ||
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
Missed the games, can't wait to see them! | ||
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aut0mati0n
United States97 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:16 Buff Terrans wrote: This whine is so ridiculous. What do you guys expect? Remove Marines/Tanks and Banshees? It's just a good BO to punish a Toss who early expands. I'll take your username as an obvious clue you're probably trolling. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:13 TheKefka wrote: It only shows every race likes to QQ about how their race is weak and how other races are good The difference now is that MVP (Terran) and Cella (Zerg) are shitting on the 1-1-1 all-in (used against Protoss). | ||
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:13 zYwi3c wrote: OrangeMilkis Wooju Lee MakaPrime posted "Is 1/1/1 strong? Whenever other people use it they win but whenever I use it I lose T___T" Oh, soo true. whenever i go 1-1-1 i lose too LOL | ||
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Mentymion
Germany259 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:14 aut0mati0n wrote: So is it that Terran is currently OP or does Toss need a buff? TOSS NEED A COMPLETE REDESIGN THAT IS THE PROBLEM !!!!!!!!! | ||
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TolEranceNA
Canada434 Posts
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powerdawg96
United States129 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:17 aut0mati0n wrote: I'll take your username as an obvious clue you're probably trolling. lol or just rooting for a certain race | ||
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TolEranceNA
Canada434 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:18 Mentymion wrote: TOSS NEED A COMPLETE REDESIGN THAT IS THE PROBLEM !!!!!!!!! Yeah we need to remove warp gate, that will fix everything. -_- | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:16 Snaphoo wrote: Zerg didn't change up their playstyle, they got one of the biggest buffs in since Beta in the Infestor. If that's what it means to "figure out how to change up strategy/playstyle" then Blizzard needs to hurry up and let Toss do it It was both. Why do people always want to attribute everything to either Metagame or Patches? | ||
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chatuka
1351 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:13 rpgalon wrote: MC did less mistakes than Puma, in other words, he is better. Yes Puma made mistakes that got punished in both game 1 and 2. And Puma still won. though, slightly cleaner play by MC would have won him the game out-right.. Puma didn't have to play perfectly to win... and won MC had to play perfectly,, and didn't and lost. I felt like Puma never created a game where MC thought, whoah Puma is jsut a pretty sick Nerdballer. None of the games were inspiring by Puma. 1. 1/1/1 2. poor macro game. Still relying on upgraded marines, Medics to win. Viking play was pretty cool to see. 3. MC doing some crazy things to lose him the game. | ||
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