EPTOn August 22 2011 03:05 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Anyone reminded of IEM last year?
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vs ![[image loading]](http://static.wellplayed.org/channels/Morrow/Morrow_thumb.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://images.wikia.com/starcraft/images/c/c5/Reaper_SC2_DevGame1.png)
Anyone reminded of IEM last year?
Hah, nice find. I do believe that sometime thereafter 5Rax Reaper was firmly smacked across the face with the nerf bat.
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
Hah, nice find. I do believe that sometime thereafter 5Rax Reaper was firmly smacked across the face with the nerf bat. | ||
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kheldorin
Singapore539 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:08 Xercen wrote: it was prolly nerves. i mean puma beat mc in a macro game series for the NASL title. nerchio lost recently to white ra and he played terribly due to his nerves. Why do people have to look at the scoreline then complain about balance when it could have been nerves. You can see nerves because Nerchio made a lot of major mistakes he usually doesn't do. You don't see any nerves in MC's play in these matches. | ||
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Vinski
505 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:59 chatuka wrote: how can people still defend Puma here. I can't say. he didn't play that great IMO and got lucky. MC played even worse and paid the price. I've never seen MC play that badly before. As for the race balance, i'll trust blizzard and the maps to fix that problem. as for personalities. Puma is boring, unattractive, and Disreputable with TSL I don't dislike EG BTW MC: Brash, Bold, Competant player who makes bad mistakes against rival opponents. Perhaps him drinking less soda will help him think more clearly. Who are you going to root for.. obviously the boss Protoss. Rofl. Dude wtf. A win is a damn win and I cheered for Puma man I don't like MC nearly as much. And Everyone on teamliquid hates cheese so if anyone wins with it in a tournament the get immediate hate. Lets not forget MC was cheesy player not to long ago. And we have seen Puma beat MC before without cheesing so I would say that he deserved this win. Out classed. | ||
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Mentymion
Germany259 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:07 DertoQq wrote: and a lot of people were saying that it wasn't imbalanced :D simply not true......Many players were pissed. Was the first time in my entire life where I was rooting for IdrA I even remeber the last game where Morrow was just gambling and build Helleions...jeez these times | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:05 Plansix wrote: I need the quote where Nestea says protoss are OP. After the infestor buff, if you don't mind. IIRC he didn't explicitly say Protoss is OP, he implied it, saying something like, "If you play Terran, you can get good very quickly with a few builds. If you play Protoss, it's very hard to master but once you do master it, you'll be unbeatable". This is of course paraphrased, but that's the general gist. Anyway I don't see how bringing up MVP and Nestea's statements are too relevant because 1. The state of balance in the game always shifts. MVP and Nestea said those things a good while back. 2. Statistics do not support MVP's statement that Terran is the weakest race at the moment, nor do they support Nestea's statement that Zerg is weak against Toss at this moment. On the other hand, statistics do support that 1-1-1 is, at the very least, extremely strong against Toss. | ||
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Buff Terrans
Germany75 Posts
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xbankx
703 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:10 aut0mati0n wrote: Can someone explain to me why 1-1-1 is imba in general? I'm not trying to troll here, but the only reason people are listing for 1-1-1 being so overpowered is that PuMa just beat MC in three very lackluster games (I think MC was not playing up to his normal level). But yeah is 1-1-1 actually destroying the metagame or is this just normal TL qq after a big tournament? Korean protoss basically have like a 20% winrate at the moment versus terran because half the games are 1/1/1. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:07 Cyrak wrote: Brood War's effective skill ceiling (by effective I mean the size of the edge that you gain by being much better than your opponent) is much higher than SC2, you can't compare them. Brood War is also a much more complicated game with terrain and spatial control being as much of a factor as your unit composition. Comparing these two games is like comparing chess and checkers. Congrats on adding another BW > SC2 post to the huge list. He's just using BW as a frame of reference in RTSes and how something that seems overpowered might be solved with alot of work. | ||
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eggs
1011 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:11 Buff Terrans wrote: This is the biggest whinefest in a long time. happens after every lackluster finals when people expect epic games. they get bored and spend their energy trolling and whining. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:07 DertoQq wrote: and a lot of people were saying that it wasn't imbalanced :D Yep, the same terran trolls who are claiming that there's nothing wrong with the 1-1-1 now. | ||
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
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Tuk
United Kingdom223 Posts
Game 1 MC actually defended this "horribly broken 1-1-1" attack but some poor decision making (imo) meant the second push got through him. Game 2 was just a game changing micro mistake and puma had some better positioning/upgrades (also mc could of had more gateways to resupply his army i believe) Game 3 was stupid. What i dont understand however is why toss players are so keen on expanding early even when the terran is doing some sort of blatant one base surely the terran will win on a build order level automatically, if the toss one based more then this wouldnt be such a problem? it just seems "oh wow my fast expo build lost to a all in with workers etc must be overpowered" | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:10 zYwi3c wrote: OrangeMilkis Wooju Lee "Foreign fans can't even read the games so they're acting like the Terran played well lololol. That's why Blizzard can't Patch" koreans, such a funny ppl People taking shots at foreign fans, how classy. | ||
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Jayrod
1820 Posts
On August 22 2011 02:55 forgottendreams wrote: Are people still going on about this? PuMa saw MC was going for a heavy gateway centric force with slow upgrades in order to mass units. Puma just went for the polar opposite of quick tech, mass infrastructure and faster upgrades to counter his army later. To say puma was outmacroed that game shows people have little understanding of the top tier aspects of this game. He actually came ahead because he killed 3 of puma's 4 barracks and was able to get warp ins while puma was rebuilding his production buildings. This was also some of the slowest tech you can have from a Terran perspective. He went 4 raxes before factory and stayed on this raxes, producing the whole time. That got cut to 2 and he fell behind in total units. Next consider, MC had charge/blink/storm/robotics and 2/2 vs. 3/2. MC invested as much in tech as the terran. I think maybe you should consider your understanding because it wasnt a conscious decision by Puma to put himself at a huge disadvantage in supply for tech. Just take a look at his money on the VOD... he had no way to spend it because his production was hurt. | ||
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dcsoda
United States583 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:06 flowSthead wrote: I don't care about the 1-1-1. So MC lost the first and third game to strat he hasn't figured out yet. Big deal, it happens in the metagame. The second game is what is frustrating. It's not that Puma played badly, it is that MC played so well. Yes, MC lost the warp prism full of 3 or 4 High Templar, that was bad. Puma lost 3 drops during that same game. Yet, MC losing one warp prism loses him the game, while Puma losing 3 drops is nothing. Puma also lost 2 barracks during that game, and way before the big engagement that lost MC the game. The entire game it felt like Puma wasn't being punished for his mistakes, whereas MC's smaller mistakes lost him the game. The frustrating thing is how much bigger of a deal it is to make mistakes on the Protoss side. I think I finally know what it feels like to be a Zerg. It did seem that way but it's possible we missed something right? I mean upgrades do make a big difference and it seems like the EMPs wouldn't have done so much with more spread out HTs. He put a lot into that warp prism and losing it was a big deal but you can't pin it all on one thing. So many things happened in that game. I enjoyed the series a lot personally. It was very exciting to see MC hold that first push in game 1 and I'd bet he's very close to figuring out a counter for that build. I think we're seeing the emergence of Puma which is interesting that it is happening in foreign tournaments mostly rather than the GSL. I'm excited to see how this next MLG plays out. | ||
Overpowered
Czech Republic764 Posts
Stargate play doesnt work, HT is too vulnerable, gateway units are not cost efficient, blink stalkers are very squishy against MMM, DT is joke because of scans, Archon just dont do enough damage for their cost anc Collosi are too slow to get vs.1-1-1 and are easily counterable by pretty mobile and cheap easily productable vikings. I just dont have any clue what to do as a Protoss... | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:10 Mentymion wrote: simply not true......Many players were pissed. Was the first time in my entire life where I was rooting for IdrA I even remeber the last game where Morrow was just gambling and build Helleions...jeez these times To be fair, it might not have been necessary. Not only did they remove fast nitro pack, but roaches soon after gained 4 range, which might in itself have fixed the problem. (3 range roaches sucked ass) | ||
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hyptonic
2155 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:10 aut0mati0n wrote: Can someone explain to me why 1-1-1 is imba in general? I'm not trying to troll here, but the only reason people are listing for 1-1-1 being so overpowered is that PuMa just beat MC in three very lackluster games (I think MC was not playing up to his normal level). But yeah is 1-1-1 actually destroying the metagame or is this just normal TL qq after a big tournament? Look at this season's GSL. Toss has yet beat 1-1-1 more than once. Most Protoss's are already eliminated P can't stop 1-1-1. | ||
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chatuka
1351 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:10 Vinski wrote: Rofl. Dude wtf. A win is a damn win and I cheered for Puma man I don't like MC nearly as much. And Everyone on teamliquid hates cheese so if anyone wins with it in a tournament the get immediate hate. Lets not forget MC was cheesy player not to long ago. And we have seen Puma beat MC before without cheesing so I would say that he deserved this win. Out classed. good for you man. I think you are in the minority here so have fun. I'll root for the classier player which is MC> | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 22 2011 03:09 legaton wrote: Wait, are you truly advising people to go one base colossus against 1-1-1? That's one of the worst possible builds ever. Even two base fast colossus sucks. No clearly one base colossi is the answer. I mean, they don't out range the tanks, cost more than the banshees, can't shoot air and cut into your stalker count. And there is no way that the terran will scan, see the support bay and get another banshee or 2 to seal the deal. | ||
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