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netsky4
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria511 Posts
August 21 2011 18:05 GMT
#5241
On August 22 2011 03:00 Gatored wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:53 asdads wrote:
For those who say MC did everything right and terran is IMBA just remember that Mana 2-0 Puma.


Just remember that PuMa did NOT 1/1/1 all-in MaNa. Ok?

Doesn't change the fact that he outplayed Puma
skyrunner
Profile Joined August 2009
371 Posts
August 21 2011 18:05 GMT
#5242
On August 22 2011 02:51 oogieogie wrote:
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On August 22 2011 02:45 Warrice wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:43 skyrunner wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:37 oogieogie wrote:
why the heck is it fine that toss complain about 1/1/1, and not ok when zerg complain about blink stalker allins?

If you are wondering..neither are needed.

Because:
1. ZvP is in general in favour of zerg right now. TvP is in favour of terran.
2. Blink stalkers is not impossible to beat at all, and not as prevalent.
3. You can scout blink and counter it ez. 1/1/1 doesn't matter if you know its coming or not. you still lose, no matter how good you are (almost).
4. Even if protoss holds on, Terran just does it all over again (Game 1 in this very set).

Why the heck is a zerg even in this thread complaining about pvz? 1/1/1 is terrible right now, doesn't matter what goes on in pvz.



keep in mind mc also lost the nexus in the first push in the 1st game, he also rebuilt it and over-econned it is a VERY hard position to lose form but he made every thing possible to make it so.

The bolds are just so ridiculously bias i won't even deal with them. Also i was just bringing up a point where no race should complain about builds till sc2 is longer so we have more "BW balance".

ps: my post is for the first person

Yeah that's the way to argue and discuss things right? Just say "I won't even deal with issues x, y and z" and then continue on also ignoring issue a,b and c.

Do you actually mean that blink stalker all-ins are used in pvz as often as 1/1/1 in pvt? Do you actually say that a scouted blink stalker is nigh on impossible to stop? Or are you saying that 1/1/1 is not hard to stop once you know it's coming?

Actually you are saying all of those things, and you're wrong. How many times does a player know that 1/1/1 is coming and still fail to stop it? Every god damn time.


'Also i was just bringing up a point where no race should complain about builds till sc2 is longer so we have more "BW balance". '
what the... what does this even mean? if that would have been the reasoning back in beta... ahah im not even gonna end that sentence. I think you know yourself how ridiculous that statement is.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15684 Posts
August 21 2011 18:05 GMT
#5243
On August 22 2011 03:04 PBG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 03:02 s3183529 wrote:
Slayers_Cella and IMMVP both said 111 "imba" against Toss, and those pro Koreans sure don't know anything about SC2.


MVP also said Terran is the weakest race.

Yeah


100 patches ago. -_-
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 21 2011 18:05 GMT
#5244
On August 22 2011 03:04 hmunkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 03:02 s3183529 wrote:
Slayers_Cella and IMMVP both said 111 "imba" against Toss, and those pro Koreans sure don't know anything about SC2.

Nestea and IdrA both say protoss is overpowered against zerg, but you don't give them the time of day.

We could play this game forever.


I need the quote where Nestea says protoss are OP. After the infestor buff, if you don't mind.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
August 21 2011 18:05 GMT
#5245
Anyone reminded of IEM last year?

[image loading] vs [image loading]

[image loading]
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 21 2011 18:05 GMT
#5246
Hate to use this cliché, but don't hate the player; hate the game. It's not Puma's fault that he's using the strongest strategy currently available to him. Yeah the 1/1/1 seems mighty strong right now, but that's not Puma's fault, and you really can't hold it against him for using it (especially on Xel'Naga & Metalopolis close air).
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
powerdawg96
Profile Joined November 2010
United States129 Posts
August 21 2011 18:06 GMT
#5247
On August 22 2011 03:05 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Anyone reminded of IEM last year?


lol we have come a long way
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
August 21 2011 18:06 GMT
#5248
I think bottomline is:

1. Puma DID play better than MC, make no mistake
2. Game 2 was the only decent one out of them all, it's sad it came out to one huge micro mistake, with those 6 storms the game would have been completely different, since it would have bought time for upgrades to complete.
3. Games 1 and 3 were lackluster and terrible, Game 1 in particular was deppressing, since MC defended the first push so so well, but then the second one came and he just wasn't prepared correctly, I think he was a bit angry about it, since he lost all his patience.
4. Game 3 was just as ridiculous, MC didn't lose earlier only because he sniped the first raven, the game was lost pretty much the minute 1-1-1 was in effect
5. All in all, 1-1-1 needs to be nerfed badly, it's destroying the TvP metagame (Balance should be made thinking in the best players, and in KR 1-1-1 situation is pretty terrible).
6. MC was so damn sad

User was temp banned for this post.
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
August 21 2011 18:06 GMT
#5249
On August 22 2011 03:02 Zorgaz wrote:
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On August 22 2011 03:01 eggs wrote:
On August 22 2011 03:00 Zorgaz wrote:
Amazing that no matter who wins there is always countless pages stating that the victors race is OP and the losers race is UP?!

Btw, i actually missed most of the games today. Was their anything interesting to learn about TvP in the matches today? And if so will vods/replays be up?


nobody said that for IdrA vs Sheth.


Trolling? How could any1 whine about inbalance in a mirror matchup xd


Are you kidding? One baneling kills like 10 zerglings, its obviously imba
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
August 21 2011 18:06 GMT
#5250
On August 22 2011 03:01 Provocateur wrote:
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On August 22 2011 02:58 lotny wrote:
So much drama over one set of games.

Indeed, can't really determine the state of PvT balance only based on these games. I'm a bit disappointed in these games as well but that's no reason to jump into a balance discussion. People will figure out what to do about it eventually.


It's not just these games. People have been saying this for over a month now since the 1-1-1 and utilized by terrans across the board. There is simply no responce to the 1-1-1 since recent balance patches and there won't be until a new patch arises.
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
August 21 2011 18:06 GMT
#5251
I don't care about the 1-1-1. So MC lost the first and third game to strat he hasn't figured out yet. Big deal, it happens in the metagame. The second game is what is frustrating. It's not that Puma played badly, it is that MC played so well. Yes, MC lost the warp prism full of 3 or 4 High Templar, that was bad. Puma lost 3 drops during that same game. Yet, MC losing one warp prism loses him the game, while Puma losing 3 drops is nothing. Puma also lost 2 barracks during that game, and way before the big engagement that lost MC the game.

The entire game it felt like Puma wasn't being punished for his mistakes, whereas MC's smaller mistakes lost him the game. The frustrating thing is how much bigger of a deal it is to make mistakes on the Protoss side.

I think I finally know what it feels like to be a Zerg.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler █ MVP ■ MC ■ Boxer ■ Grubby █
s3183529
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia707 Posts
August 21 2011 18:06 GMT
#5252
On August 22 2011 03:04 hmunkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 03:02 s3183529 wrote:
Slayers_Cella and IMMVP both said 111 "imba" against Toss, and those pro Koreans sure don't know anything about SC2.

Nestea and IdrA both say protoss is overpowered against zerg, but you don't give them the time of day.

We could play this game forever.

Lol, this is Zerg and Terran say a Terran's build OP. Anyway, Toss OP was in the past, and after the warpgate nerf and festor buff, spore buff, Toss not OP against Zerg anymore. Why would Blizz fix something for Zerg and not for Toss?
Yeah, and it took BW 5-6 years to be balanced and SC2 1 year to be balanced?
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
August 21 2011 18:06 GMT
#5253
OrangeMilkis Wooju Lee
MC once said that if he played Terran he would have won GSL 3 times already.
2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

OrangeMilkis Wooju Lee
"MC, I'm going to cheer for you from now on. Protoss just looked really pitiful. From today I'm going to cheer for Protoss"
2 minutes ago

OrangeMilkis Wooju Lee
"MC you should just seriously play Terran. You'll definitely be a top Terran with your skill. Protoss does not have any answers."
4 minutes ago
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Gatored
Profile Joined September 2010
United States679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 18:07:12
August 21 2011 18:06 GMT
#5254
On August 22 2011 03:04 hmunkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 03:02 s3183529 wrote:
Slayers_Cella and IMMVP both said 111 "imba" against Toss, and those pro Koreans sure don't know anything about SC2.

Nestea and IdrA both say protoss is overpowered against zerg, but you don't give them the time of day.

We could play this game forever.


NesTea says protoss is imbalanced? He has like an 87% win ratio vs protoss. You have a source to where he says this?
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
August 21 2011 18:06 GMT
#5255
On August 22 2011 03:04 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:57 mcc wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:41 Xanatoss wrote:
Sick Finals.
Although I am a P Player I have to admire the beauty of the 1/1/1 Build.
Streamlined to the extreme, very robust and since today we know its even repeatable ^^

Why would it not be repeatable, MC knew that it is coming even in game 1.


You forget that 1-1-1 looks exactly like 2 port banshee, blue flame drops, thor-marine and every other one base terran build. They can even mix is up, go heavy tanks, heavy marines, get a raven or 2. All they need to do is scan and tweek their composition to deal with the protoss's.

Expand later, get Colossus faster, cancel expo if you need to
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
August 21 2011 18:06 GMT
#5256
On August 22 2011 03:05 Telcontar wrote:
Hate to use this cliché, but don't hate the player; hate the game. It's not Puma's fault that he's using the strongest strategy currently available to him. Yeah the 1/1/1 seems mighty strong right now, but that's not Puma's fault, and you really can't hold it against him for using it (especially on Xel'Naga & Metalopolis close air).


I agree with this. I hate the 1-1-1 all-in, but I believe in playing to win, and PuMa did the right thing. And this is coming from someone who's favorite player is MC.
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
August 21 2011 18:07 GMT
#5257
On August 22 2011 03:05 Telcontar wrote:
Hate to use this cliché, but don't hate the player; hate the game. It's not Puma's fault that he's using the strongest strategy currently available to him. Yeah the 1/1/1 seems mighty strong right now, but that's not Puma's fault, and you really can't hold it against him for using it (especially on Xel'Naga & Metalopolis close air).


really? Because when toss used to 4gate he would get endless shit for it.
I'm a gooner.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
August 21 2011 18:07 GMT
#5258
On August 22 2011 03:04 hmunkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 03:02 s3183529 wrote:
Slayers_Cella and IMMVP both said 111 "imba" against Toss, and those pro Koreans sure don't know anything about SC2.

Nestea and IdrA both say protoss is overpowered against zerg, but you don't give them the time of day.

We could play this game forever.


Complete and utter horseshit, lemme quote NesTea:

"I don't understand why other zerg players complain so much about protoss, it's such an easy matchup"

...
DertoQq
Profile Joined October 2010
France906 Posts
August 21 2011 18:07 GMT
#5259
On August 22 2011 03:05 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Anyone reminded of IEM last year?

[image loading] vs [image loading]

[image loading]


and a lot of people were saying that it wasn't imbalanced :D
"i've made some empty promises in my life, but hands down that was the most generous" - Michael Scott
PBG
Profile Joined June 2011
40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 18:08:12
August 21 2011 18:07 GMT
#5260
On August 22 2011 03:05 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 03:04 PBG wrote:
On August 22 2011 03:02 s3183529 wrote:
Slayers_Cella and IMMVP both said 111 "imba" against Toss, and those pro Koreans sure don't know anything about SC2.


MVP also said Terran is the weakest race.

Yeah


100 patches ago. -_-


try 4-5 months ago and there's been what? 1 patch maybe 2 patches of actual game changes since then.
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